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Scores Killed in Israeli Air Attacks on Gaza

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Posted on Dec 27, 2008
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Palestinians carry a body out of the rubble after an Israeli missile strike in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, on Saturday.

More than 150 people were killed and hundreds more wounded Saturday during Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, which were launched in retaliation for last week’s rocket attacks on Israel by the Palestinians, according to Israeli officials.


Times Online:

Around 30 missiles destroyed security compounds run by the militant group Hamas in the centre of Gaza City, killing dozens and leaving many buried under the rubble.

More than 250 people have also been wounded in the attacks, said Gaza Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain.

The strikes came after the expiry of a truce with Hamas. Israel said they were launched in response to continued rocket fire by Palestinian militants against Israeli towns.

An Israeli military statement claimed the operation targeted “Hamas terror operatives” as well as training camps and weaponry storage warehouses.

Hamas immediately vowed to carry out revenge attacks on Israel. “Hamas will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood,” said the group’s spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, speaking on a Gaza radio station.

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By JUSTRIGHTLY, December 31, 2008 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment
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@ By cann4ing, December 30 at 9:09 am and some

I wonder WHY I am sure that NONE of you Israel bashers do NOT actually live in Gaza.
Can’t preach much, can you?
With Hammas you would not be allowed to be on this show.
Don’t read too much.
As You can see it already shows sign of strife on your psyche.

The idea is thus: No need to protect and defend yourselves brother.. Kassam rockets will save you from your agony.
Its the will of Him.

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING.

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By KDelphi, December 31, 2008 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

cann4ing—Yes, but, how do you explain the few that did not go along with it, as a few refused in Milgram’s experiment?

Sorry, no links, or explanation—I still have flu, but was just interested in your answer..

I mean, you know, of course, that the military is coached to behave the way people did in these experiments, and, that the experimenter became an active participant.

I also saw a more recent (an more relevant?) experiment , done recently, on Independent Film Channel, with the BBC—the group who “recreated” GITMO..did you see that?

Just throwing stuff out there—

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By cann4ing, December 31, 2008 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

You are quite right about the process of dehumanization being central to the Jim Crow era, Cyrena.

We Americans have a habit of looking back through an idyllic lens.  We admire the lofty egalitarian principles enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, yet forget that Jefferson, like so many of the Founding Fathers, owned slaves.  We reminisce about the “good old days” of the late 19th and early 20th Century and a supposedly simpler way of life, all the while ignoring the horror and terror inflicted on our African-American citizens by Jim Crow; a terror embodied in the haunting Billie Holliday melody, Strange Fruit, and photographically displayed in Without Sanctuary (2000) which provides a gruesome pictorial accompanied by detailed accounts, some from contemporary newspapers, some from the editors of the books and some from handwritten scrawl over postcards bearing the black-and-white images of mutilated, hanging corpses.

As one of the book’s editors, Leon Litwack, observed, the “story of lynching” in America, entailed “more than the simple fact of a black man or woman hanged by the neck.  It is the story of slow, methodical, sadistic, often highly inventive forms of torture and mutilation.  If executed by fire, it is the red-hot poker applied to the eyes and genitals and the stench of burning flesh, as the body slowly roasts over the flames and the blood sizzles in the heat.  If executed by hanging, it is the dismemberment and distribution of severed bodily parts as favors and souvenirs to the participants and the crowd; teeth, ears, toes, fingers, nails, kneecaps, bits of charred skin and bones.  Such human trophies might reappear as watch fobs or be displayed conspicuously for public viewing.” 

Just as Zimbardo traces the sadism of the SS to the Nazi media campaign to dehumanize the Jewish population, so also Litwack traces lynching, which took the lives of more than 4,700 African Americans between 1882 and 1968 to the injection of racism into popular culture by media.  “Historians and the academic sciences [provided]…the intellectual underpinnings of racist thought and behavior, validating theories of black degeneracy and cultural and intellectual inferiority, helping to justify on ‘scientific’ and historical grounds a complex of laws, practices and beliefs.  Popular literature, newspaper caricatures, minstrel shows, and vaudeville depicted blacks as a race of buffoons and half-wits.  And with Birth of a Nation in 1915, the cinema did more than any historian to explain the ‘Negro problem’ to the American people….Beneath the grinning exterior of the black man, this film warned, there lurks a mindless savagery that demands white vigilance….” 

One might add to the Litwack description.  The blatantly racist Birth of a Nation also sought to portray the terrorist KKK as heroic figures, protecting the virtue of white women from the perceived savage, sexual appetite of the black male.

The extent of the dehumanization is reflected in a remark by former Georgia governor William J. Northen, quoted by Litwack:  “I was amazed to find scores and hundreds of men who believed the Negro was a brute…and his slaughter nothing more than the killing of a dog.”

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By cyrena, December 30, 2008 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

“The process,” Zimbardo tells us, “begins with stereotyped conceptions of the other,…conceptions of the other as worthless, the other as all-powerful,…the other as a fundamental threat to our cherished values and beliefs.  With public fear notched up and enemy threat imminent, reasonable people act irrationally, independent people act in mindless conformity, and peaceful people act as warriors.  Dramatic visual images of the enemy on posters, television, magazine covers, movies, and the internet imprint on the recesses of the limbic system, the primitive brain, with the powerful emotions of fear and hate.”

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cann4ing,

This brings us (or at least me) back to my work that has become very depressing, but it’s reality. Zimbardo’s work, continues the thread of Hannah Arndt’s in her explanation of The Banality of Evil that she references in “The Origins of Totalitarianism.”

Having figured out by now, (considering the decades spent on this) exactly what it is that triggers this behavior (the dehumanization and the ‘creation’ of enemies) one would think we could avoid it.

But, if you’ve seen “Taxi to the Dark Side”, it serves as a reminder that the phenomena is still alive and well, right here in the US military.

“Taxi to the Dark Side” (not to be confused with Jane Mayer’s “The Dark Side”) is the documentary of the torture of those ‘prisoners’ at Bragam in Afghanistan. The interviews with many of the US soldiers who participated in the torture reveal that NOTHING has changed in the use of these propaganda and brain washing techniques.

Some of the footage from the film seemed identical (to me at least) to an earlier documentary of the same sort of interview, but it was of those soldiers participating in the torture at Abu Ghraib. Then I flashed back even earlier, to scenes from a film I’d seen in class, which depicted the Nazis as going about their extermination operation with the utmost of ‘efficiency’.

Now your additional post re the propaganda that stirs this up connects the the same technique at work in so many genocides. The catastrophic Rwandan genocide might have been prevented or at least reduced in carnage had they been able to interrupt the airwaves spewing the propaganda that worked the population into a frenzy.

We’ve seen it (or at least read about it) in the lynch mob mentalities of the South during Jim Crow, and it continues to this day, with mass attacks upon anyone deemed ‘different’, from race to sexual orientation.

After all of these years, the Lucifer Effect is still in effect.

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By cyrena, December 30, 2008 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

By ThnkUBush, December 28 at 11:26 am #

PatrickHenry,

Semantic games are useless when discussing peoples lives.

Fact: The Arab world has some of the wealthiest nations, per capita, on the globe.

~~~~~

Dear Think Ur Bush

What are that? Those wealthiest nations in the Arab world? Can you name a few of them for us?

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By cann4ing, December 30, 2008 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

By KDelphi, December 30 at 10:57 am #

cann4ing-Well put, and, excellent points.

Zimbardo(Lucifer Effect), Winter Soldiers—

If soldiers learned of these things before going into battle, or, going to be MPs, I wonder if their behavior would be changed—what do you thihnk?

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Not necessarily. Zimbardo’s work is the culmination of 30 years of research that began with the 1971 Standford Prison Experiment which Zimbardo conducted in a university basement where “24 male college students were randomly assigned the roles of prison guards and prisoners…”  Although the experiment was to have lasted two weeks, Zimbardo was forced to cancel it after just six days as the “guards had become dangerously sadistic and the prisoners were breaking down emotionally.”

“What we wanted to do,” Zimbardo explained, “was [to] create [the] essential psychology of imprisonment, and that’s all about power.  Every prison is about power.  Guards have to assume more and more power and domination, and prisoners have to have their power stripped away.  And so that is the ultimate evil of prison.  It’s about power, dominance, and mastery.  And that is the same thing we found at Abu Ghraib prison.”

History’s most abhorrent example, the “final solution,” was not the product of some inherent psychological deficiency in the German people.  To the contrary, as Zimbardo forcefully points out, it was the product of a deliberate campaign carried out in newspapers, on radio, in required texts of school children, and even in comic books, which “sought to create the perception of Jews as a sub-human race that was a threat to the national state.” 

Dehumanization is by no means unique to Nazi Germany.  To the contrary, Zimbardo observes, citing Sam Keen’s analysis of the “hostile imagination” in Faces of the Enemy,  it “is created by virtually every nation’s propaganda on its path to war….” 
“The process,” Zimbardo tells us, “begins with stereotyped conceptions of the other,…conceptions of the other as worthless, the other as all-powerful,…the other as a fundamental threat to our cherished values and beliefs.  With public fear notched up and enemy threat imminent, reasonable people act irrationally, independent people act in mindless conformity, and peaceful people act as warriors.  Dramatic visual images of the enemy on posters, television, magazine covers, movies, and the internet imprint on the recesses of the limbic system, the primitive brain, with the powerful emotions of fear and hate.”

Sadly, I think what you see in many pro-Zionist posters is a reflection of the process of dehumanization.

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By truedigger3, December 30, 2008 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Many posters asked the question:”
Why Hosni Mubarak and all the political powers in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf States are not helping the Palestinians?”
The answer is very simple. They cannot because the united states is the only super power now and it supports and is behind Israel 100%.
They are angry not only because of the brutality and
inhumanity of the Israelis but also because of the
resultant instability it is causing in the middle east.
Besides, their embarrassing helplessness is for
all to see, especially to their own peoples.

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By PatrickHenry, December 30, 2008 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

It’s hard not to recognize Israels right to exist in bomb shelters.

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By Nozferatu, December 30, 2008 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

OMOP:

An excellent piece! 

Too bad some of the shills around here don’t stop to read that.  After reading it however, I can see why….they are one of those people the author writes about.

That’s even more disturbing.  And I have believed what the author wrote for a long time now.  Israelis have become truly barbaric animals as a whole.

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By troublesum, December 30, 2008 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

The primal human predicament: If you recognize my right to exist, I will recognize your’s, but how will I know if you really mean it?

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By omop, December 30, 2008 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

In the words of Gilad Atzmon:

Eine Kleine nacht murder or How/Why Israelis kill…..

Lengthy but worth the read;

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4177.shtml

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By Robert, December 30, 2008 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

December 30, 2008

America’s Crimes “Never Happened”

May We No Longer Be Silent

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

“The title of my article comes from the sermon of the Episcopal Bishop of Washington DC, John Bryson Chane, delivered on October 5, 2008, at St. Columba Church.  The bishop’s eyes were opened to Israel’s persecution of Palestinians by his recent trip to Palestine.  In his sermon he called on “politicians seeking the highest office in [our] land” to find the courage to “speak out and condemn violations of human rights and religious freedom denied to Palestinian Christians and Muslims” by the state of Israel.

Bishop Chane’s courage was to no avail.  When America’s new leader of “change” was informed of Israel’s massive air attack on the Gaza Ghetto, an area of 139 square miles where Israel confines 1.4 million Arabs and tightly controls the inflow of all resources—food, medicine, water, energy—America’s president-elect Obama had “no comment.”

According to the Jerusalem Post ( December 26), “at 11:30 a.m., more than 50 fighter jets and attack helicopters swept into Gazan airspace and dropped more than 100 bombs on 50 targets. . . . Thirty minutes later, a second wave of 60 jets and helicopters struck at 60 targets . . . More than 170 targets were hit by IAF aircraft throughout the day. At least 230 Gazans were killed and over 780 were wounded . . .”

As I write, news reports are that Israel is sending tanks and infantry reinforcements in preparation for a ground invasion of Gaza.

Israel’s excuse for its violence is that from time to time the Palestinian resistance organization, Hamas, fires off rockets into Israel to protest the ghetto life that Israel imposes on Gazans.  The rockets are ineffectual for the most part and seldom claim Israeli casualties.  However, the real purpose for the Israeli attack is to destroy Hamas.

In 2006 the US insisted that the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank hold free elections.  When free elections were held, Hamas won.  This was unacceptable to the Americans and Israelis.  In the West Bank, the Americans and Israelis imposed a puppet government, but Hamas held on in Gaza.  After unheeded warnings to the Gazans to rid themselves of Hamas and accept a puppet government, Israel has decided to destroy the freely elected government with violence. 

Ehud Barak, who is overseeing the latest act of Israeli aggression, said in interviews addressed to the British and American publics that asking Israel to agree to a ceasefire with Hamas would be like asking the US to agree to a ceasefire with al Qaeda.  The terrorism that Israel inflicts on Palestinians goes unremarked.

According to the London Times (December 28), “Britain and the United States were on a collision course with their European allies last night after refusing to call for an end to Israeli airstrikes on Hamas targets in Gaza. The wave of attacks marked a violent end to President George W. Bush’s sporadic Middle East peace efforts.  The White House put the blame squarely on Hamas.”  The British government also blamed Hamas. 

For the US and UK governments, Israel can do no wrong.  Israel doesn’t have to stop withholding food, medicine, water, and energy, but Hamas must stop protesting by firing off rockets.  In violation of international law, Israel can drive West Bank Palestinians off their lands and out of their villages and give the stolen properties to “settlers.”  Israel can delay Palestinians in need of emergency medical care at checkpoints until their lives ebb away.  Israeli snipers can get their jollies murdering Palestinian children.”

  http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts12302008.html

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By KDelphi, December 30, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

cann4ing-Well put, and, excellent points.

Zimbardo(Lucifer Effect), Winter Soldiers—

If soldiers learned of these things before going into battle, or, going to be MPs, I wonder if their behavior would be changed—what do you thihnk?

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By Nozferatu, December 30, 2008 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

JUSTRIGHTLY:

Ahhh…I see…so a democratic process when it doesn’t suit you is bad for you right?

Go and learn the history of Israelis and their terrorist groups during the 40’s and 50’s.  And also look at the crackpots that are now leading that country into self-destruction and loathing by all.

You’re right…what goes around does come around…so watch out.

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By Nozferatu, December 30, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Kevin Abreu:

Your take is simplistic at best.

Just “giving back” Gaza (which never really happened frankly) does no one any good. It’s akin to the Germans just stopping what they were doing back in WWII. 

If someone comes to your land, destroys the infrastructure, makes you homeless, you have no services, you have little food, you have no work….what do you expect these people to do?

I don’t understand this brainwashed mentality.  What else do you want these people to do?  They have nothing to begin with….so what does Israel want them to give?  Peace?

Their lives are in chaos…their futures are grim.  But while Israelis sit in their coffee shops and pick each other up in their dance clubs, they demand all these things from a group of people who are living in slums, eat grass due to no food, and have no work to keep them going.

So tell me…what would YOU do as a teenager or adult if you lived that life?  Look at what people were doing during Katrina…and this is in THIS country where no bombs are falling, no homes are being demolished, and many are on welfare or assistance.

A lot of you talk out of your asses…but have no clue what some people are going through elsewhere.  You’re simply fed the bullshit AIPAC influenced US news drivel about how Israel is so poor and innocent and people are suffering so much.  Boy have they milked that holocaust to the last drop.

Sure, Palestinians are far from perfect…they have their own stupid issues, conflicts, corruption and the rest of it.  So why are people holding them up to this high standard while they are being bombed by Israel and destroyed from within?

Everyone keeps whining about poor Israel but no one seems to remember who is and always has been the more power entity there and the ACTIVE aggressor. 

You can turn blue in the face talking about rockets being launched into Israel (most of which do little harm if at all) but no one ever talks about why that is happening and what is causing it.  But we do always talk about and justify jewish actions….so why?

Would you like it if I came to your home, beat the shit out of you, and then left you with nothing?  I’m sure you’d appreciate it and thank me for it too.

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By cann4ing, December 30, 2008 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

By JUSTRIGHTLY, December 30 at 5:06 pm #
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So now suddenly all those skizzos discover that there are “civilians” in Gaza.
First there is nothing as such. Because if you elect terrorists you are terrorists.
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This typifies the extend to which the process of dehumanization can rob one of their humanity.  In this individuals mind, all one has to do is apply the word “terrorist” and it eliminates the very existence of “innocent civilians.”  The word terrorist is a derogatory label used to denigrate unconventional forces.  The Nazis referred to the armed resistance in occupied Europe as “terrorists.”

Consider the Haaretz article by Gideon Levy published in Haaretz in October 2004 about the inordinate numbers of Palestinian children killed by the IDF, including 42 two year olds and 13 newborn infants.  Were these “terrorists,” JUSTRIGHTLY?

As Prof. Phillip Zimbardo astutely observed in “The Lucifer Effect” through “the process of dehumanization…certain other people or collectives of them are depicted as less than human….”  Zimbardo regards this as “one of the central processes in the transformation of ordinary, normal people into indifferent or even wanton perpetrators of evil….a ‘cortical cataract’ that clouds one’s thinking and fosters the perception that other people are less than human…to see…others as enemies deserving of torment, torture, and even annihilation.”

The dramatic impact of dehumanization found its embodiment in the testimony of Vietnam veteran Scott Camile’s testimony at the February 1971 “Winter Soldier” hearings in Philadelphia.  After he described how members of his unit, in the presence of a Lt. Colonel beheaded two people, leaving their heads on stakes in the middle of a field, Camile was asked whether the men in his unit felt they could do anything they wanted to the Vietnamese, Camile replied:  “It wasn’t like they were humans, like we were—you know, we were conditioned to believe that…this was for the good of our country, and anything we did was okay.  And like, when you shot someone, you didn’t think you were shooting a human.  They were a gook or a Commie, and it was okay.”

All that was required for JUSTRIGHTLY’s dehumanization was the Zionist description of Hamas as a “terrorist organization.”  It matters not that Fatah had become a corrupt replica of the Vichy French, the very act of democratic selection of Hamas to govern Gaza means, in his or her indoctrinated mind, that all Palestinians in Gaza are terrorists, vermin who deserve death—just as the Nazis treated all Jews, irrespective of age, as vermin deserving death.  How sick is that?

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By truedigger3, December 30, 2008 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

cyrena wrote addressing me:
“You’d do better spending the energy mopping the floor with your ass.”

Cyrena:

I, too, know a full list of profanities that
include all parts of the human body. But these will
be compliments to you. You are below them.

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By Kevin Abreu, December 30, 2008 at 6:25 am Link to this comment
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All the rhetoric in this thread concerning the US policies and relations with Israel is interesting yet not on point.  Israel under international pressure gave the Gaza strip back to the PLO (no mistake, Hamas=PLO) in exchange for peace.  Their reward has been the lobbing of missiles into their country by the terrorist Hamas. Gaza does not want peace, they want the destruction of Israel.  Iran is pushing this and Gaza will know no peace until they stop this childish hatred for hatred sake.  The hatred is passed from generation to generation and has become the hatfield and McCoy fight of the middle east.  The reason for the fight has been flamed behind reason.

The solution is simple.  Stop lobbing missiles, recognize the right of a people and nation to exist as they have agreed to allow a terrorist organization to exist, and the shelling will stop.  If not, Israel will make a parking lot out of the Gaza strip.  I feel deeply saddened by the civilian casualties, but they elected their terrorist government and have nothing to stop them.  You can not keep poking the hornets nest and not eventually get stung!

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By cyrena, December 30, 2008 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

•  “The only thing I can think of is that many of the Arab nations are unfortunately now the bitches of America….where the top brass can be taken out at any time….such as Saddam, the Shah of Iran, etc.”

Nozferatu,
I think you nailed it here, and right on the head. Think of our other ‘allies’ in the Arab world. Let’s start with Egypt, which is NOT but they cannot be seen as anything more than complicit in the persecution of their fellow Arabs in Palestine. I mean they DO control part of that prison wall that keeps Gazans locked in, and humanitarian aid locked out.

And then there’s Saudi Arabia, (quite wealthy) who’s been sleeping with the enemy (the US) for decades. In fact, the Bush Dynasty is joined at the hip with Saudi Arabia, and have been since the formation of the Saudi Arabian Oil Co.

•  “Saudi Aramco dates back to May 29, 1933, when the Government of Saudi Arabia signed a concessionary agreement with Standard Oil of California abbreviated as (Socal) allowing them to explore Saudi Arabia for oil. Standard Oil of California passed this concession to a wholly-owned subsidiary called California-Arabian Standard Oil Co. (Casoc). In 1936 with the company having no success at locating oil, the Texas Oil Company purchased a 50% stake of the concession..”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco

Then

America’s Kingdom
Mythmaking on the Saudi Oil Frontier

Robert Vitalis

http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?book_id=5446

In the above book, Robert Vitalis does a excellent job of explaining how this was accomplished using the same Jim Crow tactics, (involuntary servitude) that the US was founded upon.

Then there’s Iraq. Remember when Saddam was our ‘ally’ as well? Remember when Rumsfeld (see the link below) courted Saddam on behalf of Rotten Regan?  Yep, gave him all the weapons he wanted, and turned a blind eye when he used them on the Iraqi population.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

I’m not so inclined to include The Shah, since Iranians are primarily Persian, NOT Arab, and the Shah was the American puppet from the beginning. The US installed him, and the US was NOT the one to “take him out.”  The Iranians did that themselves, just BECAUSE he was the US installed puppet.
 
And then there’s Jordan, (formerly Transjordan) another monarchy in bed with the US, and sympathetic to Israel as well, even if they haven’t always been.

Anyway, where else in the ARAB world can we find this ‘wealth’? Only in the places where there is oil. That’s why the US is in bed with Saudi Arabia, and it’s the same reason the CIA orchestrated the coup against Iran’s Mossedegh, replacing him with the puppet Shah, and it’s the same reason for our former cordial alliance with Saddam. The OIL. And wherever there is OIL in Arabia, the US is. Add Kuwait to the list. Add the United Arab Emirates to the list. Is Dubai wealthy? Oh yeah. Do the Arabs control any of that wealth? Some maybe, but it does not happen without the participation of the US (Halliburton, Trump, etc).

What about Yemen? No wealth there. Syria? I don’t really know.

In reality, anywhere we find any real ‘wealth’ in the Arab world, the US is already there, with their hands in the pot, with the explicit permission of the Arab leadership.

The rest of the Arab world; INCLUDING the North African countries of Algeria, Morocco, Libya, and Tunisia are not really ‘wealthy’ nations either.

Still, I get your point about using a monetary weapon in place of the standard weapons. The only problem is that it could take more than just ‘stepping up to the plate’ because the reality is that those who do have some access to that wealth are indeed ‘bitches of America.’

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By Nozferatu, December 30, 2008 at 3:21 am Link to this comment

One thing the Arabs need to learn out of all of this is how to fight the Israelis and jews.

You don’t fight your opposition in their areas of strength…which is clearly militarily.  But you do so monetarily.  The Arab world is VERY wealthy.  And for all practical purposes, compete with the jews and then some if it chose to.  Why they are sitting on the sidelines and flexing muscle is beyond me. 

The only thing I can think of is that many of the Arab nations are unfortunately now the bitches of America….where the top brass can be taken out at any time….such as Saddam, the Shah of Iran, etc.

But the answer is easy….have contingency plans to circumvent such obstacles and issues.

The answers to defeat the fascist jewish regimes are there.  Someone simply needs to step up to the plate.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 29, 2008 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

As a subscriber and donor to “Jewish Voice for Peace” I received a message part of which is posted below. What a difference between those noble and just Jews and the Zionist fanatics terrorists running the state of Israel!
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“The news about the attacks in Gaza is beyond words. “Appalling” doesn’t even come close.”

“U.S.-supplied Israeli F-16 warplanes and Apache helicopters have fired missiles and dropped over 100 tons of bombs on dozens of locations in the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip.  Over 300 people are dead and at least 1,400 more are injured. Many if not most of them are civilians.  Food and medicine were already in short supply in Gaza and all medical facilities have been completely overwhelmed by this onslaught. Access to Gaza has been cut off by Israel.”

“This is the most violent and heartbreaking situation that has happened to the Palestinians in recent history, and it must stop. In addition to calling for protests at Israeli consulates and federal buildings, as well as letters to the U.S. and Israeli governments, Jewish Voice for Peace staff and members are already putting together an aggressive campaign focused on Gaza. And, without a moment to waste, we call for an immediate end to attacks on all civilians.”

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By JUSTRIGHTLY, December 29, 2008 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment
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So now suddenly all those skizzos discover that there are “civilians” in Gaza.
First there is nothing as such. Because if you elect terrorists you are terrorists. Full Stop.
Second these same above mob seem not to remember that for so many years Israel citizens and their kids were hit by thousands of missiles. Now that those harbouring and aiding the terrorists start getting the feel of it they discover that they are the socalled civilians.
Please do not insult the word itself.
Sooner or later you harvest what you sow.
Israel is too GOOOOOD for you.
I wish you tried this rocketing with Sadam Hussein or Amadinajad. You would have begged God to turn them two into a Jew or something similar.
What goes around comes around.
Get Real.

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By cyrena, December 29, 2008 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

By Verne Arnold, December 29 at 5:08 am #
Jaysus fucking christ; if I didn’t know better I’d think this was Cyrena’s thread. Just what is it you don’t get? It’s just not that complicated; oh, well for her maybe it is!
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Holy Shit Verne,
How did it get to be MY thread?????

I last posted to this thing over 12 hours ago. (Yeah, I do have a life – not the greatest right now, but I do)

So, can you leave me out of your rants…please???
omop is pissed because I haven’t said anything about what Obama HASN’T said.

Let me repeat that, omop (and others) are pissed because I haven’t said anything about what Obama HASN’T said. Does that not sound totally ridiculous to you people? Just because I’m not crazy enough to try to PROVE A NEGATIVE doesn’t make me the bad girl here. It just makes me saner than a lot of you.
I HAVE commented on many of the things that Obama HAS said, including the things that trouble me. I don’t HAVE a problem separating reality from ideology, or facts from emotional REACTIONS.

I’m equally sick of the ‘apologist’ tag placed on me or anyone else who voted for Obama, (millions based on his DOMESTIC AGENDA ALONE, because far too many Americans are not even aware of these atrocities in the Middle East, and are too broken down at this point to even fucking care or pay attention) and then continue the assault just because we’re patient enough to let him actually TAKE OFFICE and start to do something, before condemning?

When are you all going to start apologizing to the rest of us for putting up with Dick Cheney and George Bush for the last 8 years? How many of you are going to admit that you voted for them (TWICE) or didn’t vote at all? How many of you have criticized or otherwise appealed to YOUR OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS in their consistent enabling of this Thuggish Administration?  It’s been YOUR CONGRESS that has allowed these assaults on us and our Constitution. Were any of you with us back in 2002 when we were all over the place protesting against the invasion of Iraq before it was carried out? Yeah, we were naïve, because we came to know later that no amount of protests were gonna change what had already been mapped out by the PNAC, but we were still there, on Feb 15th, 2002, along with millions ACROSS THE GLOBE!! So where the hell were YOU all?
Where were you in the summer of 2000, when I was running around like Chicken Little forewarning the dangers of a Bush-CHENEY dictatorship? I KNEW what Cheney was capable of, and what Bush was NOT. I’d already spent 15 years in that god-forsaken pit of a living hell that is Texas politics. I KNEW WHAT THEY WOULD DO!!! (no, I didn’t know that Cheney would arrange to have us blown to bits on 9/11, and I didn’t know they already had this ‘war on terror’ operation planned either, but I knew they were capable).

So yeah, I’m a color-blind, human- rights- loving atheist whose ONLY ‘religion’ is the rule of law; specifically the rules that guarantee the rights of ALL human beings.

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By cyrena, December 29, 2008 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

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Beerdoc, you’re out of line again in your accusations about my ‘equivocation’ on the atrocities that Israel has wrought on ALL of its neighbors in the 60 years since the commencement of their ‘ethnic cleansing’ operation. I have called it what it was since I LEANED what it was, and that’s been at least 20 years.

I have been actively involved with multiple Human Rights and other groups organized for the sole purpose of stopping these atrocities. I have BEEN to the area multiple times to see this for myself. I have read and studied the history of this conflict, and written extensively on it.  I have spent the last 5 years studying under the superb mentorship and incredible brilliance of Richard Falk, Lisa Hajjar, and other s within the academic institution that have devoted their lives to these issues.So you’re WAY the hell out of line, but I’m little more than saddened by it at this point, because it’s what I’ve come to expect.

There’s little reason for ANY of you to know that, because with few exceptions, you’re all strangers. Yet you’re condemning me WITHOUT A CLUE to what I DO, THINK or KNOW, just as you’re doing with Obama, based on what you can’t possibly know is in his mind, because he hasn’t said. OR..because YOU didn’t hear him say it. Like you obviously didn’t hear him say that the Palestinians have suffered more than any group in this entire decades old slaughter. Like you obviously haven’t read what I’ve posted here over the past 2 years.

Instead, you hear him say that “Israel has a right to defend itself”.  I call that a politically cagey response because it is true.  As a stand-alone legal concept, Israel DOES have a right to defend itself. He’s ALSO said that he does NOT approve of everything that Israel does. (that was months ago…over a year if my memory serves me even a little.)

truedigger,

I haven’t accused you of being racist, so your protest is a bit reveling here.  I’m really sorry that my posts sicken and infuriate you. Maybe you shouldn’t read them.  That would be the common sense thing to me.  It’s not a surprise that they would infuriate you, since my comments are lacking the vehement hatred that you want to see and feel in your environment.

As for criticisms of Israel, you obviously haven’t been around long enough to read my own, or those of Obama, since I’ve been as vocal as anyone else in my criticisms of Israel’s genocide. So WHO is illiterate here truedigger? I have to say YOU. Only ignorant people shoot off their mouth when they don’t have a clue to what they’re talking about, and only irrational people attempt to make impossible leaps that are bound to fail, (based on the law of physics) and land them at the bottom of the abyss.
Yes, I’ve been paying close attention to what Obama says. (NOT what he ‘doesn’t’ say, because I’m logical and any attempts to ‘prove a negative’ are totally illogical). And now I’m waiting to see what he DOES as a President, that he couldn’t do as 1 out of 100 senators. And, I’ve also been paying close attention to what he has ALREADY DONE, as a Senator, because those are all things important to the American people.

So yep, I’m very pleased with the majority of his selections for the Justice Department, Environment, Energy, Education, Health and Human Services, Commerce, Interior, and the UN, to name a few.

I think you should be paying extra close attention to how the new Education program shapes up, so that you can demand your civil right to be educated. You DO have a right NOT to be so ignorant. Maybe you should exercise it.

And, drop the drama. You’d do better spending the energy mopping the floor with your ass.

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By Frank, December 29, 2008 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

Let me get this straight, Frank.  You are pointing to America’s genocidal conquest of Native Americans under the racist doctrine of Manifest Destiny as justification for the Zionist effort to turn Gaza into a replica of the Warsaw Ghetto of early WW II?  Ever hear of the concept that two wrongs don’t make a right!

I have to assume you are deliberating avoiding the point I was making and inventing a straw man version of my post to attack instead, because I don’t think you are truly daft enough to have missed my point so badly.

I do agree with “two wrongs don’t make a right.” That was part of my point which I think you understand, though you prefer not to admit it: it applies to Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians because they lost control of their land in a war, just as it would apply to American Indians extremists launching terror attacks on US cities. Deliberately targeting civilians out of revenge or because you are afraid to face an enemy on the battlefield is never justified, and is always a ‘wrong’.

Nearly every tribe of people has been militarily defeated, lost land, or been conquered at some point, including all my ancestral European tribes and cultures.  When military victory is no longer possible, you either assimilate into the new culture under a new government, or you leave and go someplace else.  You do not, if you are any kind of civilized people, resort to deliberately murdering civilians of the culture that defeated you out of revenge or a desire to win political concessions from the new dominant government.

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By cann4ing, December 29, 2008 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

Nozferatu—when someone like Norm Finkelstein exposes Israeli perfidy, he is labeled a “self-hating Jew.”  If someone is not Jewish, the Zionists label the individual antisemitic.  Prof. Finkelstein paid a heavy price for “Beyond Chutzpah.”

Noam Chomsky observed that “Beyond Chutzpah” “is in fact the best compendium that now exists of human rights violations in Israel and the blocking of diplomacy by Israel and the United States, which I mentioned—very careful scholarly book, as all of his work is, impeccable—also about the uses of anti-Semitism to try to silence a critical discussion.

“And the framework of his book was a critique of a book of apologetics for atrocities and violence by Alan Dershowitz…[Finkelstein] went through Dershowitz’s shark claims, showed in great detail that they are completely false and outrageous, that [Dershowitz was] lying about the facts, that he’s an apologist for violence, that he’s a passionate opponent of civil liberties—which he is—and he documented it in detail.

“Dershowitz has been desperate to prevent this book from being—first of all, he tried to stop it from being published, in an outlandish effort, which I’ve never seen anything like it, hiring a major law firm to threaten libel suits, writing to the governor of California—it was published by the University of California Press. When he couldn’t stop the publication, he launched a jihad against Norman Finkelstein, simply to try to vilify and defame him, in the hope that maybe what he’s writing will disappear.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/4/17/noam_chomsky_accuses_alan_dershowitz_of

The Dershowitz jihad had a measure of success in that Finkelstein lost his tenured position at DePaul and in May of this year, the Israelis arrested and then deported Finkelstein from Israel, barring his return for ten years.

Zionists have no interest in truth and insist on controlling perception.

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

cann4ing:

You would do yourself a great service if you also read “Holocaust Industry” also by Finkelstein.

The problem is this.  If anyone other than a jew wrote such things, it would be:

A) next to impossible to publish - look at the incredible agony Norm Finkelstein went through to publish his books…thanks to that SOB racist idiot Alan Dershowitz.

B) it would be next to impossible to not be called Antisemitic.

Now is that fair? 

I think you and OPOM are more close in thinking that you care to admit.  I do wish OPOM would be a bit more clear on his/her position though.

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By cann4ing, December 29, 2008 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

Since I believe, omop, that you are both sincere and, deep down, a person of good will, let me be precise as to what you said that so troubled me and caused me to apply the words, “antisemitic rant.”

You wrote:

“Quoting a comment made elsewhere, ‘whence did one ever come across a time and place that the Jews have lived in peace in their environments?.

“Good question, non?”

I construed your post as approval of the suggestion that there is something innately wrong with people of Jewish decent that prevents them from living “in peace” with their environment.  It is a stereotypical, over broad statement that I interpreted as antisemitic.

I have read, carefully, Norm Finkelstein’s “Beyond Chutzpah” which sets forth a compelling demonstration of how Zionists have conflated any and all criticism of Israel and its oppressive tactics into “antisemitism.”  Finkelstein’s efforts are undercut when those opposed to Zionist oppression carelessly lapse into using antisemitic language. 

My post was not intended as a personal attack on you; merely a plea that you use more caution in framing the language of your posts so as not to detract from the inherent justice of the Palestinian cause.

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By omop, December 29, 2008 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

cann4ng.

Such thoughthfulness.

I like that last sentence of yours, “We need to present a united front against oppression.  To do that, all members of such a united front need to avoid the use of racist stereotypes that serve to tear us apart at the time when we most need one another’s support.”

You forgot to add that slandering someone as a ” rantic antisemitic” is typical stereotyping. One lives in hope.

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By cann4ing, December 29, 2008 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

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cann4ng.

Since Richard Falk is Jewish would the actions taken by Israeli officials be considered “antisemitic” or just plain rants.
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I think, omop, it is useful to distinguish between a Richard Falk, a Norman Finkelstein, a Noam Chomsky, who happen to be Jewish, and Zionists, who include not only Israeli leaders but many right-wing Christians here in the U.S.

Being Jewish is a matter of ethnicity.  Being a Zionist is a matter of choice.  Zionism is a racist ideology whose methodology resembles that of fascism.

What I detect in several of the posts here are individuals who have dehumanized the vast and disparate collection of individuals we refer to as “Jews” in the same manner that Zionists have dehumanized Arabs, Muslims etc.

Posts about “Jewish Bankers” and “Jewish Conspiracies” are self-defeating tirades, some of which contain language that could have come straight out of Mein Kampf.  The extensive facts that a Robert brings us in his links to many pertinent articles and the thoughtful presentations of a Fadel Abdallah provide a far better means for addressing the catastrophe that is 21st Century Gaza. 

The Zionists no more speak for all Jews than Bush and Cheney speak for all Americans.

You need to understand that there are progressive Jewish organizations like the J Street Project who have had their fill of the Zionists war criminals and who are more than willing to join with people of all faiths—(or with respect to my atheist self, people of no faith)—to bring an end to the blind U.S. support for the Zionist war machine and its daily atrocities.

We need to present a united front against oppression.  To do that, all members of such a united front need to avoid the use of racist stereotypes that serve to tear us apart at the time when we most need one another’s support.

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By olivebranch, December 29, 2008 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment

Get rid of extremist Hamas, Hezbollah, and ultra militant Israeli settlers.

Peace will quickly follow.

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By PatrickHenry, December 29, 2008 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

Why is it that everytime someone or those of a common value system criticise Israel’s heavy handed tactics it is painted as antisemitism or hating jews…everywhere.

Nozferatu, December 29 at 9:29 am - Excellent!

I hope someone sends the Palestinians a boatload of Stinger missiles.  A purely defensive weapon.

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By Robert, December 29, 2008 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

December 29, 2008

Before Our Very Eyes

Israel’s Attempted Endgame in Gaza

By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN

“The intensity of the bombings on Saturday, which left over 230 people dead and 800 wounded, many seriously, was what struck one witness, R., who claimed never to have heard so many explosions so close together and for such an uninterrupted period of time inside the Gaza Strip. One after another, the explosions sounded, most of them near heavily populated areas; and in one case only 30 meters away from his daughter’s elementary school.

The bombings were timed to cause the maximum number of “enemy” casualties. They occurred at approximately 11:20am on a bustling Saturday morning, just as schools were changing shifts and many children were either leaving for home or coming to afternoon classes; when offices were filled with their employees, and streets busy with the late morning crowds out getting lunch or on quick errands of one sort or another. The day before, Israel had opened some of the crossings into Gaza to let in another trickle of humanitarian aid. ‘See how generous we are to our enemy!’ they exclaim with straight faces to the international media. Each time Gaza reaches the brink of starvation and ruin, they let in just enough food and supplies to silence potential critics. Then the next round begins. It is hardly surprising. After all, this policy was outlined publicly by Dov Weisglass not so long ago when he promised that Israel would put Gaza on a punishing “starvation diet” until it saw reason and evicted its democratically elected government. Many people, including members of the Hamas government, believed that reopening the crossings to international aid signaled another brief lull in military activity, as it usually had, while the IDF General staff prepared its next offensive. In this way were the people and government of Gaza unprepared for the next day’s slaughter

The deliberate ploy to strike at midday when the collective population of Gaza had let down its guard for a few short hours had its intended effect. One of the deadliest massacres in the history of Israel’s occupation of Palestine followed as F-16 fighter jets, helicopter gun ships, tanks, armored vehicles and pilot-less drones closed in on the Gaza Strip.  By Monday morning over 300 people were dead and 1000 injured. Hospitals were overflowing with the seriously wounded; the morgues with the dead for whom they had insufficient refrigeration. Insufficient medical personnel, equipment, supplies and services raised the likelihood of many more dying in their overused beds waiting for the help and attention they would never get. The taxi driver R. hailed to get him to his daughter’s school as quickly as possible after those first strikes had begun initially refused, staring in shock as columns of smoke rose from brand new layers of debris.”


“In the course of a few short hours American-made, Israeli-flown fighter jets had successfully blotted out the lives of more than 230 people and by the end of the weekend over 300, the rough equivalence of two fully packed IMAX theaters. At least 70 of the victims were civilians, a number of them young children. A mother in Rafah bent over the corpses of her three dead children screaming, unable to stop, horrified eye witness T., who wrote up the day’s events as if the formal documentation of an overpowering human event could serve as a form of catharsis.”
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For the rest of Israel’s Nazi regime, click on URL:

http://www.counterpunch.org/loewenstein12292008.html

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By omop, December 29, 2008 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

cann4ng.

Since Richard Falk is Jewish would the actions taken by Israeli officials be considered “antisemitic” or just plain rants.

 
“Israel kicked UN representative Richard Falk out, and even roughed him up a little, which seemed aggressive even for Israel. Turns out they didn’t want Falk, described as ‘an American Jew’, wandering around Gaza, seeing things he shouldn’t and perhaps getting himself killed.

A couple days before the bombings started, Israel opened the border to allow humanitarian relief supplies through. It was an uncharacteristically humane, even human, move for the country of the Supreme Beings.

Turns out the food and relief supplies were bait. The Israeli politicians and generals (and voters) wanted Hamas mobilized to distribute the relief, and the Palestinians out on the streets to receive it, all in order to increase the slaughter.

They probably also wanted to contrast the joy of thinking you are temporarily not going to starve to death with the horror of realizing there is nothing you can do to stop the fall on your children of American bombs dropped by supremacist Jews.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1228728204503&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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By KDelphi, December 29, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

troublesum—Axlerod said that “we understand the special relationship we have with Israel” and “we only have one president at a time”.

Rice and Obama has said that they “support Israel’s right to defend itself”. (In separate statements)

I signed the petition the other day, and asked others to do the same. It was not enough then, and, certainly is not enough now. I know that protestors mean well, but, we need some leadership to speak for us, to the world. The US is getting blamed (and justifiably so!) for selling Israel illegal weapons. Their “promises” to “not use them on civilian populations” are ridiculous!

They are taking advantage of the “
special relationship” , as well as our stupid ‘war on terrorism” in the Middle East. As a result of Israel’s agression, we may well “lose” our other “special relationships” (ie allies) Have you seen the protests? They have US flags BEFORE Israeli ones..

The uS needs to make a stand, and do it now!! Before the Middle East erupts into WW III! Only the uS has enough influence to stop Israel. WE HAVE TO USE IT!

olivebranch—“TD is run by Jews”?? What an odd thing to say! Not all Jews are Zionists and , many do not approve of what Israel is doing. If it is run by Jewish people, then, they allow plenty of dissent—much more than you will get on other so-called “liberal” sites.

Conversely, not all Zionists are Jews—Bush, Cheney, Rice, Clintons, etc. Most “born again” christians are Zionists. “Pastor” Warren is a Zionist. The DLC is Zionist.

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By omop, December 29, 2008 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

To Cann4ing:

  The usual sophomoric and irrational reaction some experts claim zionists are guilty of when ever they come face to face with different opinions facts, etc,. is to call them antisemitic.

  I could equally assign to cann4ing some tag line. I prefer to remind him/her as an american citizen i am free to express my opinion and biasis as a semite, non-semite, hindu, muslim, christian, atheist. etc,.

  If by expressing horror at what Israelis are doing to their fellow brothers and sisters cann4ing and his ilk think they have the right to call me antisemitic then i can proudly say that I am proud to be an antisemite. And would wish that more humane beings would be. Hiding behind the accusations of antisemitism BS aint gonna do it anymore for decent people.

  Which I might remind cann4ing I have a Constitutional right to be one if I so choose and practice it.

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By troublesum, December 29, 2008 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Anybody see any difference yet in moral leadership between Bush and Obama?  Neither one has had a word to say about this situation.  The Israeli defense minister said today that “this is war to the bitter end.”  Apparently this means the extermination of all non-Jewish people of Israel-Palestine as the ultimate goal.  Didn’t Hitler use similar language?

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

cann4ing:

While I agree with you and what you are saying…let’s be honest….no amount of protesting and signing of petitions is going to help or stop Israel and the US do what the are going to do.

Until people PHYSICALLY step into the conflict and ECONOMICALLY disrupt foundation of Israel’s dealings, nothing we do here will help one iota.

The only thing it can do is possibly help people become more aware BUT I do believe the world is sufficiently aware…don’t you?

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By cann4ing, December 29, 2008 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

Anti-semitic rants, like those offered by OMOP, are counterproductive.  The are a good number of progressive Jews who are opposed to what is taking place and are actively working to bring it to an end.

Want to do something useful, link to the J Street Project and sign their petition “demanding an immediate and strong U.S.-led diplomatic effort to reinstate a meaningful ceasefire ending the violence, including the rockets aimed at Israel, and lifting the blockade of Gaza.”

http://us.mc585.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage?fid=@B@Bulk&sort=date&order=down&startMid=0&.rand=694282076&da=0&midIndex=4&mid=1_10971_47496_AL3sjkQAACFVSVfQgA4xRg38EzI&prevMid=1_11850_47539_AL/sjkQAABwsSVim5wOf3FYcpaQ&nextMid=1_159_47290_ALvsjkQAAOD5SVZyWQ2sdT5ist0&m=1_14327_47595_AL7sjkQAAMTRSVkULggDNiTjXbg,1_13578_47562_AL3sjkQAAIKiSVkDwAA73Df2iN0,1_12655_47553_ALrsjkQAABa9SVjoFgdHG1NMYtI,1_11850_47539_AL/sjkQAABwsSVim5wOf3FYcpaQ,1_10971_47496_AL3sjkQAACFVSVfQgA4xRg38EzI,1_159_47290_ALvsjkQAAOD5SVZyWQ2sdT5ist0,1_959_47291_ALzsjkQAAIhxSVZy0AI2phB81hI,1_1818_47275_AL7sjkQAAXRuSVZSqgkNknWdmGk,1_2599_47016_ALjsjkQAAJsJSVL4BguUsAizE4U,1_3662_46966_AL7sjkQAAMKKSVHpbAbZbVLrruk,

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

OPOM:

Good question yes…one you should ask yourself. 

Given the influence and monetary success jews have in a large array of institutions, they have always pushed to have favoritism and wealth and control be in their hands.  Not many people know this but prior to Hitler’s rise to power, Germany was pretty much in poverty with one single group of people living better than the native, white Germans….can you guess who?

So…going back to your question….IF trouble follows you everywhere, it begs to ask the million dollar question:

Are people around you the problem?  Or are you the problem? 

Let me know when you figure out the answer.

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By omop, December 29, 2008 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

To Nozferatu.

Here’s my limited contribution:-

“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” – Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 in N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1.

That does not seem to be an exceptional or odd view since there are a number of web sites that cite Judaic dicta on gentiles in general and deragatory references to Christ and his mother.

Quoting a comment made elsewhere, “whence did one ever come across a time and place that the Jews have lived in peace in their environments?”.

Good question, non?

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By KDelphi, December 29, 2008 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

I am glad to see that, many of the Arab protestors are protesing their own govt’s support for US policies(money for both), and, I hope they bring down the dictatorships we are supporting.

The Israelis are obviously taking advantage of a “shaky” US situation of a lame duck, two middle east wars, and, we are broke.

STOP selling the Israelis illegal weapons! (And, stop using them in our two illegal Middle East “conquests”)

Obama is “discussing the situation with Rice”—great!

Saying that their situation is just like ours with Native Ams, is just an excuse to do nothing. It is not, and, so what if it were? It doesnt make it right. Manifest destiny = zionism. This is the 21st Century. Just because our govt has “no room to talk”, doesnt mean the people of the uS dont care!

Maybe if we took over our govt, the Arab countries would follow suit…

I just had to comment of this, even though I am sick as hell…

Here is what Jewish Voices for Peace says:

“The news about the attacks in Gaza is beyond words. “Appalling” doesn’t even come close.

U.S.-supplied Israeli F-16 warplanes and Apache helicopters have fired missiles and dropped over 100 tons of bombs on dozens of locations in the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip.  Over 300 people are dead and at least 1,400 more are injured. Many if not most of them are civilians.  Food and medicine were already in short supply in Gaza and all medical facilities have been completely overwhelmed by this onslaught. Access to Gaza has been cut off by Israel.”

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By cann4ing, December 29, 2008 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

By Frank, December 29 at 5:34 am #

I suppose supporters of Palestinian ‘resistance’ would approve if American Indian tribes decided they wanted ‘their’ country back and started launching missiles into American cities.
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Let me get this straight, Frank.  You are pointing to America’s genocidal conquest of Native Americans under the racist doctrine of Manifest Destiny as justification for the Zionist effort to turn Gaza into a replica of the Warsaw Ghetto of early WW II?  Ever hear of the concept that two wrongs don’t make a right!

The truth is that Israel has been planning this assault for more than six months—prior to the cease fire itself.  Prior to the end of the cease fire, Israel launched an incursion into Gaza, ostensibly to destroy some tunnels, but in reality, designed to provoke an Hamas response.  Sadly, the less than brilliant leaders of Hamas took the bait, responding with a rocket attack providing the Zionists with the “excuse” they were looking for.  Hamas hasn’t learned not to tug on Superman’s cape.

Even before this assault, the blockade of Gaza, never lifted during the so-called cease fire, amounted to a criminal violation of the Geneva Conventions.  Anyone with half a brain recognizes the criminal nature of Israel’s actions, which is precisely why LA Jews for Peace will be leading a protest outside the Veterans building in Westwood, CA tomorrow.  One would hope an even larger protest can be staged in DC.

Enough!

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By thebeerdoctor, December 29, 2008 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Of the 1.5 million residents of Gaza, 46% are 14 years or younger, 18% are 4 years or younger.

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

elianita55:

I must strongly AGREE with your statements here.  The weakest link for the Arabs is their own lack of unity in this matter.  And I don’t mean military unity.  I mean sovereign and social unity.  That is partly their fault and partly outside meddling from the US and other Western countries which try and cripple Arab cultures and pitch them against each other as we witnessed in the Iran/Iraq conflict.

If the Arabs collected themselves and were given a chance to breath (that is the key, even if they offer that to themselves, countries like Israel or US will stir up crap because control is the result of chaos), Israel would seize to do what it does. 

Arabs don’t realize how much power than can actually have in that region but jews do.  And they are scared shitless of that.

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

PART 2 OF 2

The influential Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef exclaimed during a sermon preceding the 2001 Passover holiday, :

“May the Holy Name visit retribution on the
Arab heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them.” He added: “It is forbidden to have pity on them. We must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones.”—Source: Ha’aretz April 12, 2001.

Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969:

“We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, ‘What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’”

David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson,
1978, p. 99:

“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”

Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, ‘Begin and the “Beasts”’, New Statesman, 25 June 1982:

“We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return.”

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet:

“We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters.”

David Goldman wrote:

“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.”

Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir’s infamous quote:

“There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”

Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:

“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”

Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”:

“If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country.”

And finally:

Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha’aretz):

“The Intifada is the Palestinian’s people’s war of national liberation. We [Israel] enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we [Israel] established an apartheid regime.”


Ehud Barak, on Israeli TV (date undetermined, but confirmed by former Israeli Knesset Member Marsha Friedman):

“If I were a Palestinian, I would be a terrorist.”

(Speaking about Sharon’s policies toward the Palestinians.)

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

PART 1 OF 2

OMOP:

Let’s share quotes shall we?

Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the ‘Beasts,”’ New Statesman, June 25,1982:

“[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”

David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978:

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department.

From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5:

“Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”

Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, “Complete Diaries,” June 12, 1895 entry.:

“Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated:

“The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable.”

Yitzhak Ginsburg, “Five General Religious Duties Which Lie Behind the Act of the Saintly, Late Rabbi Baruch Goldstein, May his Blood be Avenged”:

“The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it.”

In 1923, radical Zionist Ze’ev Jabotinsky—spiritual father of not only of Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin but of Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane—wrote:

the “sole way” for Jews to deal with Arabs in Palestine was through “total avoidance of all attempts to arrive at a settlement”-which Jabotinsky euphemistically termed the “iron wall” approach. Not coincidentally, a picture of Jabotinsky graces Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s desk. Source: The Village Voice, “Death Wish in the Holy Land,” Dec. 12, 2001.

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

If the state protected terrorists (Israel) want to make sure that their little settlement is no longer attacked then they should:

A) no longer demolish homes,
B) block food,
C) block water,
D) block work,
E) stop illegal home invasions
F) stop using illegal weapons banned by the UN conventions
G) uphold Geneva conventions against them that they have not for over 30+ years.

Simple.

Otherwise expect to reap the continuous and pathetic existence you have in that area called Israel. And quit crying to the world about Antisemitism or unfair treatment when you get the people upset and they think you’re complete tools of humanity.

Won’t be the first time either….I’m sure the psychological trauma on your culture regarding that must be devastating..you poor soul you.

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By mmadden, December 29, 2008 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

If the terrorists (Hamas) want to make sure that their little settlement is no longer attacked then they should no longer fire missiles at Israel. Simple. Otherwise expect to reap the whirlwind. And quit crying to the UN when you get the Israelis upset and they invade your settlement.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 29, 2008 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

re: Verne Arnold

Sarcasm and cynicism are sometimes used as a defense against idealism being mortally wounded. Which is what is so awful about this whole bloody business: people are trying to rationalize something that can not be justified by any humane standard. The Obama apologists keep on equivocating over the atrocity occurring, maybe they should ask themselves, what would President Eisenhower do? I mention Eisenhower, because he was the last U.S. President who was not in the back pocket of the Zionist interests… that is how far back you have to go.
It is also curious how little emphasis there is on Israel’s nuclear arsenal. Back in the early 1960’s the French assisted Dimona reactor provided the vital building block for these weapons, even after France’s role as weapons supplier was supplanted by the United States… from Mirage jets to F-16’s. And the President-elect has the gall to claim that Iran is the greatest threat in the region? after what U.S. foreign policy has done to that country?
The fury of delusion is always amazing.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 29, 2008 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

Answer:
As a concise answer to the repeated rhetorical question, “Why so-called repeated peace processes been failing in solving Israeli-Palestinian conflict in particular and stabilizing the Middle East in general?” The answer for those who know history should be easy, which is that there will never be progress in the Middle East, because the very idea of creating this artificial entity called Israel was actually intended to halt progress from coming to the area by perpetuating conflict and bloodshed, the typical colonial mentality and schemes!

Diagnosis:
The fanatic Israeli Zionists suffer permanently from two deadly psychological disorders: One is related to the images and stories of the bloody Holocaust perpetrated against some of them by the Nazis, but always embellished and exaggerated to achieve maximum profit; the other is related to the images of the blood they keep shedding among the natives of Palestine! In light of this, their world view is colored by blood.

Prescription:
Fanatic bloody Zionists need help!
The point is that they are seriously sick and need to be saved from their bloody psychic. So it’s not safe for them or to the world to live among normal people. For their own salvation, a huge psychiatric complex should be build for them, say in New York, where they might receive constant treatment! The healthy and sound Jews from all over the world, a there are good number of them, over should be employed to help their brethren!

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By elianita55, December 29, 2008 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Arab leaders have not nearly been vocal enough on this conflict.

Fear of the Hamas model is driving much of this silence. This fear is especially prominent in Egypt, where the officially banned opposition party, the Muslim Brotherhood, poses a real threat to the U.S.-backed Mubarak leadership.

We need leadership from Arab countries with political clout like Egypt in order to find a durable solution to the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

For more on this: http://www.ilpodesta.org/2008/12/egypts-dilemma.html

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By omop, December 29, 2008 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

Here’s a quote to make the HAMAS crow eat crow.

EVEN THE ORIGINAL CHIEF THIEF ADMITS TO REALITY.

  ” Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. THAT IS NATURAL WE HAVE TAKEN THEIR COUNTRY” –

    David Ben Gurion, 1956, quoted by Nahum Goldmann in The Jewish Paradox, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p.99.


    WORTH REPEATING

    (ITS) WE HAVE TAKEN THERI COUNTRY….........

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By Frank, December 29, 2008 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

If any developed nation had groups from another nation launching rocket attacks on it’s civilian populations and the government of the offending county failing to act to stop these attacks from within it’s borders, they would have responded with substantial military strikes, or all out invasion. Israel is doing what any nation would do to protect it’s citizens. In truth, they have shown frequent restraint over the years, all things considered.

Palestinians can’t harbor Hamas and then cry foul when an attacked nation responds. But the people on this board sure try hard.

I suppose supporters of Palestinian ‘resistance’ would approve if American Indian tribes decided they wanted ‘their’ country back and started launching missiles into American cities.  And of course, America would have no right to respond militarily to defend it’s citizens.  They would be obligated to just surrender and give the all the land back. Right, truthdiggers?

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By Verne Arnold, December 29, 2008 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

Jaysus fucking christ; if I didn’t know better I’d think this was Cyrena’s thread. Just what is it you don’t get? It’s just not that complicated; oh, well for her maybe it is!

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By truedigger3, December 29, 2008 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

To Cyrena,

Your constant appolgizing and giving execuses for
Obama is infuriating and sickening. Are you illiterate??!! Are you blind? It would have been
great if you were just color blind!!
Look at Obama’s administration and the people he
picked. Are you listening to what he is saying or not saying?? It is all right in front of you. What more do you want??!!
Please do not accuse me of being a racist because
I am not. That is an old ploy similar to the ploy of accusing anyone who critisize Israel of being anti-semetic.

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By dealwiththedevil, December 29, 2008 at 4:49 am Link to this comment
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America, England, Germany, France, Israel, Palestine, Arabs, ALL SUCK.

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By redhound, December 29, 2008 at 4:03 am Link to this comment

The US should impose the same sanctions on Israel as Israel imposes on the Gaza strip.
Israel must allow UN weapon inspectors to verify that Israel has no nukes.
Israel must be assured by the US and the UN that their citizens have every basic right to prosper and live their lives in peace.
I do not think President Jimmy Carter is an anti-semite and he advocates a more balanced policy in the middle east.
God protect the USA and the rest of the world from religious zealots [ of all stripes].

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By cyrena, December 29, 2008 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

Brewerstroupe and Nozferatu

I hear you loudly and clearly on this:

“..I began to read all I could about Obama and I came across a picture of him in earnest conversation with the late Edward Said. I have carried that image with me for two years as it told me that, at the very least, he must be aware of the truth about Palestine.

Now I am not so sure. The speeches at AIPAC I could write off as politicking. Then came his choice of Secretary of State and Chief of staff. James Petras, who has been pretty good on the Palestine issue has unnerved me still further with this piece:
http://lahaine.org/petras/articulo.php?p=1768&more;=1&c=1
I’m still hanging in there but a statement on this latest outrage would have been reassuring…”

~*~*
In fact, I too am very familiar with Obama’s former relationship with the late Edward Said, as well as the Palestinian community in Chicago. Actually, that was how I first came to hear of Barack Obama…NOT as a presidential candidate, or even a member of the Illinois state legislature. (I lived in Chicago myself many decades ago, and probably before Obama had even moved there, but as a youngster at the time, I wasn’t involved or even much interested in the political scene.)

Still, it was only because of my research on Edward Said, (and later, as a student of his son Walid) that I first came to be familiar with Barack Obama. (I suspect that the photo you have may be one I’m familiar with as well.)

That said, I do thoroughly share your concerns about his choice for Secretary of State. (I too dismissed the AIPAC speech as ‘politicking’ and later learned that unlike his standard habit of writing most of his own speeches, that one was an exception. – wish I could find the link on that, but it’s on the crashed hard drive). Still, he DID ‘speak’ it himself, and that can’t much be ignored.

Still, his choice in Hilary as SoS is very troubling, and I mentioned that in an earlier post to Nozferau. She has limited (if any) knowledge of International Law, and doesn’t seem inclined to respect it anymore than her husband did when he decided to intervene in Bosnia, in clear violation of the UN resolutions that were already in place. Besides that, Hillary was the ISRAELI ‘choice’ for US president. (They had ‘chosen’ Giuliani as their favorite republican for US president, and Hillary as their dem choice) That should have been a clue in and of itself.

My only knowledge of Emanuel had been as a Congressman, and one who had sponsored a BS resolution in conjunction with Conyers, right about the time of the attack on Iraq. They suggested that we should return to the draft for supplying the military with the necessary foot soldiers, because as things were then, (and have been since) they anticipated that it would be primarily people of color (I think the term Conyers used was a predominately ‘black and brown army’) fighting this illegal war of aggression.

Of course they were right, since it’s been exactly that. Mostly black, Hispanic, and poor whites with ZERO choices for any other employment that have been doing the dying, (as well as the killing) in Iraq and elsewhere. But again, it was a BS political gesture, because OF COURSE no such thing (the draft) would ever be allowed by the majority of the US population. I can also say that if the draft HAD been in effect, we wouldn’t BE in Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter) because that same majority of the population wouldn’t have allowed it. “Not MY kids” they say.

So that was really the only thing I knew about Rahm before now. NOW I know that he is another dual-citizenship person, and that he also served in the IDF, since military service in Israel is mandatory for ALL of its citizens. That might explain his concurrence with Conyers on the issue of the draft here, even though at least Conyers later admitted that they didn’t expect it to go anywhere.

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By cyrena, December 29, 2008 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

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I’ve ‘read/heard’ that Obama selected Rahm as chief of staff because he could ‘get things done’ and this position generally refers to whatever DOMESTIC political agenda the ‘Chief’ has planned. How much input he has on foreign policy in general, or the Palestinian crises specifically, remains to be seen. (or not, since we won’t necessarily know WHAT Rahm is whispering in Obama’s ear).

Meantime, in respect to Hillary, the same claim of being able to ‘get things done’ might also apply. Hillary is neither stupid nor lazy, and seems willing enough to work herself to a frazzle, which is damn sure more than I could do, and I’m 10 years younger than she is. So her selection could in fact be a brilliant choice on Obama’s part. Louise mentioned this a week or so ago, and it was something that I’d considered myself. It keeps her in his peripheral vision, instead of at his back, (possibly with a knife) and out of his hair at the same time.

As for any statement from Obama on the current escalation of the Israeli atrocities, the last I’ve read is that he’s been in touch with Condoleezza Rice on what’s going on, while at the same time making the point that we still only have one President at a time. Needless to say, that seems like a totally wasted effort, but that would be the standard protocol. I’m not sure that there is a whole lot more for him to do though, at least between now and the 21st, which is why Israel planned this latest major assault for exactly this time. (at least in my opinion).

Nozferatu,
Thanks for the clarification. I agree that the Larry Summers inclusion is bad news, but I’m still thinking that he will not be acting alone. This Penny woman you mention is the same one I referenced in an earlier post to you, with the link at Global Research. (I’d never heard of her before now).

Zbig has been a long-term adviser to and supporter of Obama. I like him, and I believe that he can be expected to give good advice, regardless of how much flack he gets from the Israel lobby. I wouldn’t expect him to be named to a Cabinet position. He’s getting up there in years now, and can provide just as much assistance from where he’s at; maybe more.  I say that because despite the attention that we give to official titles and positions in any bureaucracy, the real work in generally accomplished at ‘behind the scene’ levels.

A perfect example would be the Dick Cheney/David Addington team that has literally been running the country for the past 8 years. Most Americans have never heard of David Addington, despite the fact that it has been HIS legal hand (and mind) behind every signing statement and executive order that the current thugs have created in their attempts to destroy the Constitution, and set-up the foundation for Cheney’s Unitary Executive Doctrine.

So, we’ll see. For now, (and at least though the 20th of January) ‘real politick’ still rules the day, and Obama remains cagey in his caution. The reality is that he would never have been elected to the position if he’d made any genuine or specific criticisms of Israel, because that’s the level of control that the Israel Lobby has acquired in terms of our own political system, at least over the past decade.

I think you’re correct in the assumption that Obama IS at least aware of the long-term suffering of the Palestinian people at the hands of Israel. We’ll have to wait to see if he will become the first US president in history, to actually do anything about it, and I’m still convinced that he’ll need the full cooperation of the International Community to accomplish that.

It would be nice if he’d cut off all economic and other aid to Israel, but I suspect they’ll destroy themselves soon enough either way. They seem determined to do that.

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By Verne Arnold, December 29, 2008 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

@ thebeerdoctor;

Your answer to me is okay. i can’t disagree with the thing you say.

However, I suggest you have no idea of what the Palestinians life is like. If you did you would understand Fadel’s response. I’m fed up with the platitudes doled out here that just role out of our mouths while real people are being murdered by our weapons with the tacit permission of our government. We are so thoroughly removed from their situation we shouldn’t be allowed to open our mouths with an opinion.
People like Carter, Tutu and others whose names escape me now, have spoken to the reality of the middle eastern situation and they are vilified as anti-semites. Fuck Israel and fuck the U.S. for their blatant barbarity. And yes, you’re correct, Obama is a made man and nothing will change under his continuing fascist state; a mere changing of the guard. I’m fed up and the hell with it all. So, here’s my answer to you beerdoctor, enjoy.

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By Nozferatu, December 29, 2008 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

Anyone interested in how Israel is also infiltrating Georgia, listen to George Galloway to learn the amazing stuff….as he says….you couldn’t make this up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi06nf3hDsY&feature=related

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By Nozferatu, December 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

CYRENA,

I shall try and clarify:

Regarding Emanuel, check out this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

Look at his past..and his family’s past.  His farther was an active member of the Irgun….a fanatical terrorist organization in itself.

Axelrod is also jewish. Orszag’s position at OMB is actually cabinet level, and Summers’s position as Director of the National Economic Council are hardly trivial.

Another radical zionist in the cabinet is:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CNN reported that radical Zionist Chicago businesswoman Penny Pritzker was Obama’s pick for commerce secretary.

Just look at the positions she’s held and what she’s been involved in:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/04/obamas_billionaire_finance_cha.html

An interesting article regarding Zbigniew Brzezinski, a former national security adviser, and the usual jewish attacks against anyone who is against them:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/2033694/Barack-Obama’s-consultant-accuses-Jewish-lobby-members-of-McCarthyism.html

What worries me is that AIPAC and the jewish influence in this country has actually deepened moreso than even during the Bush administration.  It was a nice bait and switch tactic used by the powers at be….distract everyone with the new concept of a “black” president while filling the spaces with people who will do Israel’s bidding.

What better way to operate than to have a big bully brainwashed into protecting Israel’s scam?

I could go on and on and on.  The information is right front of our faces…we just need to look.  The dumbification of people and the constant bombardment of crap via TV (and guess who is making all these reality shows, crap hour shows, etc…yeah you guessed it)...and here we are.

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By Nozferatu, December 28, 2008 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

OLIVE BRANCH…

Actually I’m here to keep radical extremist freaks like you in check.

And please spare us your anti-semite drivel….it’s so yesterday. 

You can’t hide behind that bullshit any longer.  I don’t think there are any countries left for your kind to have drained money out of any longer.

Read Finkelstein’s “HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY”....perhaps your hollow head will actually be filled with something useful for a change.

Then, when you’re done with that, read “BEYOND CHUTZPAH”....perhaps it’ll make a human being out of you.

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By brewerstroupe, December 28, 2008 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena.

In the middle of the mid-terms I saw Obama give a speech in Colorado where he referenced King’s wonderful “Arc of the Universe” dictum. The rush of relief that there was at last someone in America who seemed to understand what this is all about caused me to weep for the first time in decades.
I began to read all I could about Obama and I came across a picture of him in earnest conversation with the late Edward Said. I have carried that image with me for two years as it told me that, at the very least, he must be aware of the truth about Palestine.

Now I am not so sure. The speeches at AIPAC I could write off as politicking. Then came his choice of Secretary of State and Chief of staff. James Petras, who has been pretty good on the Palestine issue has unnerved me still further with this piece:
http://lahaine.org/petras/articulo.php?p=1768&more=1&c=1
I’m still hanging in there but a statement on this latest outrage would have been reassuring.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

The fanatic Israeli Zionists suffer permanently from two deadly psychological disorders: One is related to the images and stories of the bloody Holocaust perpetrated against some of them by the Nazis; the other is related to the images of the blood they keep shedding among the natives of Palestine! In light of this, their world view is colored by blood. And they need help!

The point is that they are seriously sick and need to be saved from their bloody psychic. So it’s not save for them or to the world to live among normal people. For their own salvation, a huge psychiatric complex should be build for them, say in New York, where they might receive constant treatment! The healthy and sound Jews all the world over should be employed to help their brethren!

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 28, 2008 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

Be warned Israeli Terrorists!

The blood of the Palestinian martyrs will turn in time to mighty rivers of warriors for justice that will sweep you away and cleanse the land from your filth! It’s only a matter of time!

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By cyrena, December 28, 2008 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment

Nozferatu, (and all)

I’ve just come across an article that DOES ‘tag’ some potential culprits in the newly forming Obama Admin, though again, he can’t really site Cabinet selections beyond Gates and Clinton. But the author does name some folks that he claims will work ‘behind the scenes’ in the Admin, and so he therefore makes the incredible leap that Obama’s views are CONTRARY to those of Falk.

So the title of the article is deceiving, (there is absolutely nothing in evidence to prove that Obama and Falk hold opposing views on the disaster of Israel and Palestine) but it’s worth reading to get the names of the people who are allegedly connected to the Obama Admin.

He mentions one woman:

•  “..Chicagoan Penny Pritzker (of the wealthy Pritzker Hyatt Hotels family) was Obama’s main fund fundraiser. Called by some the most powerful woman in America, she’s certainly notable, one of the richest, an influential American Jew, and staunchly pro-Israel as is her family.”

As evidence of Obama’s so-called pro-Israel stance, (which I don’t believe, but I know these articles are clearly one-sided) but I don’t recognize the name. (guess I don’t fraternize with the wealthy of the world). It’s also curious to me everytime I hear claims of who Obama’s ‘main fundraisers’ have been.

In reality, the bulk of Obama’s campaign contributions came from small donations by regular citizens, (including me) but of course he had larger single-sponsors as well, including the University of California, (the TOP contributor on a list of 20 that also included 4 other univeristy systems as well as the US Government).

Be that as it may, I’m including this link just to throw out some more names that might be interesting to cross check.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11471

From what I can gather from my own read of the piece, the author is condemning Obama for allegedly ‘remaining silent’ in the aftermath of Israel’s expulsion of Richard Falk as the UN envoy. This is the standard foundation for nearly all criticisms against Obama…what he has so far failed to say or do. In other words, the criticisms are on what various people believe that he SHOULD have said or done, (never mind that he isn’t president yet)  OR; on what they PREDICT he will say or do, based on…..whatever.

So it is only in that vein that the title of the article, “Obama v Richard Falk” has any common logic. There is nothing to indicate that Richard Falk had any ‘input’ here, (if fact, I bet he probably isn’t happy about these implications, but I could be wrong) but the piece still serves a limited purpose in addressing some of the individuals that may or may not have an influence in the Obama Admin. As you’ve said yourself, this stuff serves as a starting point for further cross reference.

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By diamond, December 28, 2008 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment

I simply cannot let this pass thankUbush! The Arabs have kept the Palestinians in a state of poverty? What the hell are you raving about? What do you want the Arabs states to do? Fix it all up nicely so that Israel can come it and smash it all to pieces again? This is all just part of the dream Zionists have that the Palestinians will just get over it and move to other Arab states. But this is a delusion. Even if that happened - and it won’t- Israel would then find other reasons to take the rest of ‘Greater Israel’ off the Arabs. There simply can be no peace as long as Israel continues on its present anarchic course of militarism and acts of terror committed against the Palestinians (which started in the 1940’s)and any Arab state that takes their part in the Israel/Palestinian conflict. Israel is now a fully fledged terror state and nothing short of an uprising by Israelis themselves will change the dangerous course they’re on. I have no faith that that will ever happen and we can only hope that Israel doesn’t take us all with it when it goes.

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By Nozferatu, December 28 at 1:53 pm

Hi Nozferatu

I should be thanking YOU for the response, including all of the links, and I’m in total agreement with you on the ‘research methods’. But then, I’m an academic, and by habit of my old career in aviation, very detail oriented, even when I don’t particularly wanna be. (getting to the truth of anything can be extremely painstaking, but it’s just the way it is. There are few shortcuts to the truth.) So yes, we have to always cross-reference and back up with other substantiation. But we also need a starting point. Fortunately, we have far more access to that now, than we ever had when I was trying to figure some of this stuff out before.

Anyway, you’re correct about Chertoff as well as John Bolton – both Jews from the Bush Admin that didn’t come immediately to mind when I was listing the other neocons from the original Original Group that set up and directed the War ON Iraq, and the constant harassment of Iran that followed. (Also part of the original PNAC plan that fortunately never came to fruition…the invasion of Iran that is.) However, I wasn’t responding to the Bush Admin Jews, but rather your claim that the Obama Admin had the same. And, that brings to mind another one that I’d forgotten: Rumsfeld.

Now on this:

•  “For example, I never knew Bolton was a jew.  But given his vehement hatred for Arabs and what not, it makes sense…but he’s a “true blooded” American isn’t he? This is one example of many.”

I didn’t ALWAYS know that Bolton was a Jew either, (or at least a dual citizenship Israeli American.) But I DID know that he was the epitome of evil, and that he was a signatory to the PNAC. Speaking of which, the documents generated by this effort (Project for a New American Century) are an excellent source for the names of the top neocon dogs that became a part of the Dick Bush Administration.

It’s also interesting how John Bolton came to be the US Ambassador to the UN. Because of his HORRENDOUS record in ALL foreign affairs (and specifically his hatred for Arabs) he could not be confirmed to the post via the standard confirmation process that our Constitution requires. No, not even a majority repuglican senate (at the time) would confirm him to the post. So, Cheney had to wait until Congress took a recess, and then shove him through the back door via a technicality that allows for that. (standard trick of the Cheney Admin. they’ve done the same with Federal Judgeships).  As for him or any of the others being ‘true blooded” American, I think we’d mostly all agree that they are NOT. That is unless one (or more) can hate America and American principles as much as they do, and still be considered “true blooded” American.


Anyway, I wouldn’t be aware of any of this stuff, (or even know enough to care) if it wasn’t what I happen to ‘do’ , and I feel blessed that I’ve been able to study this my stuff under the direction of some of the best in the land. That includes Richard Falk, Princeton Emeritus professor of International Law and current UN Special Rappotore to the Israel-Palestine “conflict”/slaughter. He was denied entry to Israel just over a week ago, because of his long term criticism of Israel’s persecution of the Palestinians.

Here are a couple of links to that, though there are multiple places to research his long time involvement with Human Rights and the situation in Palestine.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/12/17/18555317.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/richard-falk-un-rights-en_n_151772.html

Just as an ‘aside’ (because that’s what it is) Falk is an American Jew, and that is only an ‘aside’ in my opinion, because he was detained and then expelled in his elected and assigned position as a UN envoy to the area.

TBC

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By cyrena, December 28, 2008 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

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Be that as it may, my own response to your post about the Jewish composition of the Cabinets was to this statement you made in that particular post, because you included the Bush Admin AND the Obama Admin, and the only person you referenced was Rahm Emanuel.  So while I’ve always been aware of the Bush Admin composition including dozens of Neocon Jews, that doesn’t yet apply to the Obama Cabinet, based on what I do know of it. So that was the point I was making. The Bush and Obama Cabinets don’t have anyone in common that I know of, aside from Gates, whose been held over as Secretary of Defense. And, I don’t know that he happens to be a Jew. (maybe, maybe not). Quite honestly, I wish Obama had found somebody else for that position, just like I wish he’d chosen someone else for the Secretary of State position. But at the end of the day, my own hopes lie in the knowledge that the buck stops with Barack Obama himself.
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Meantime DIHEY,

What’s REALLY up with you? What’s this all about?
“..By dihey, December 28 at 10:44 am #

•  “Obama, who takes office on January 20, “is closely monitoring global events, including the situation in Gaza,” said his chief national security spokesperson Brooke Anderson. Should I laugh or cry? Failing grade Mr. Obama, failing grade. You are failing miserably. What little belief I had in you as a leader has comp[letely We don’t need a “monitor”, we need a leader who slaps both Israel and the leaders of Hamas around their crania because they collectively threaten my safety far more than Saddam Hussein could ever have done and than Ahmedinejad does today. Israel/Palestine, not Afghanistan/Pakistan let alone Iraq/Iran is the tinderbox for WW3. “

How is it that you somehow forgot the rest of Brooke Anderson’s statement…ONE PRESIDENT AT A TIME? How do you expect Barack Obama to do anything MORE than monitor or otherwise pay very close attention to the goings on in this disaster until after Jan 20th? In other words dihey, what would YOU have Barack Obama do, RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT?

Your extreme bias (dare I say racism) against the guy totally blows any credibility you might have.

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By Verne Arnold, December 28, 2008 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

What are we doing? Who are we really? Where have we got to? The hell with it.

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By Robert, December 28, 2008 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

ISRAEL: NO CIVILIAN CASUALTIES


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RlZd3vR6Kzk


“The Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni states there have been NO Civilian casualties in the Aerial Bombardment of the Gaza Strip, she agrees that the bombardment is Israels version of “Shock and Awe” designed to SURPRISE Hamas, and then goes on to make the startling assertion that the civilian population were WARNED that Israel was about to start the Aerial bombardment, so which is it? You cant warn people you are going to Bomb with a Surprise Bombardment can you? NO then Tzipi Livni must be lying!”

According to Israel, these are NOT civilian casualties.

Click on URL and scroll up for pictures & the horrors of Israel’s Nazi Regime:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/israel-no-civilian-casualties-gaza#comments

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By olivebranch, December 28, 2008 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

Nozferatu,

the living dead - well named.

What are you doing on Truthdig? - it’s run by Jews, you know!

Not a welcoming place for an antisemite like you…

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By Nozferatu, December 28, 2008 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

HOWARD:

Enjoy the pictures:

http://israelicrimes.blogspot.com/

I doubt you’ll make it past the first batch….but know that you can be proud of your country’s military accomplishments.
———————————————————————-
December 14, 2008
Gaza families eat grass as Israel locks border

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5338014.ece

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Nearly All the War Crimes Were Israel’s

The Second Lebanon War, A Year Later
By JONATHAN COOK
Counterpunch
August 16, 2007

http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0305.htm
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By mmadden, December 28, 2008 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Hamas has been shooting missiles into Israel since Dec 2. It is time that Israel started fighting back. This is not covered in the media. What do you think would be the outcome if some foreign power started shooting missiles into the USA? I am sure that we would retaliate.

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By Nozferatu, December 28, 2008 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

Another question for you Israel lovers out there.

Do you believe in democracy?  If so, why can’t you accept that the current government in Palestine was democratically chosen by vote by majority?

Why is that?  Because it doesn’t fit your agenda?  I wonder…

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By Nozferatu, December 28, 2008 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

HOWARD:

Stop your drivel.  You sound like wind instrument gone out of tune.  Whiny, full of hot air, and has nothing to offer but public relations drivel from the bottom of bottom ghettos.

Hamas is NOT at fault.  Hamas is reactionary.

So the more Israel keeps up its nonsense, the more it will look like the bastard here.  There is no win here for Israel.

So do us a big favor…stop playing the victim.  The more you say so, the more you will be refuted.  The more you complain, the less sympathy you will have.

You have alienated everyone against you but perhaps some idiots who still reside in the US government and some fanatics in evangelical churches.

Your days of disinformation, lying, and utter BS are over as you know it.  More people are becoming aware of how much crap Israel is pulling.  No one likes you, no one respects you.  You’re become a fascist state as the days go by. 

You’ve got it backwards…Israel is not a danger to its own people, it’s a danger to the world.  There’s far too much manipulation done by jews around the world and not in the favor of their own people either by the way…but for a select elite few.  The rest of the jews who wish for peace have been drowned out by radical extremists like you.

Very sad.

Let us hope Israel turns direction and tries to help its people and not out of control idiots like fundamentalist jews, people like Netenyahu, and the rest of the crazed morons who control Israel’s government.

I wonder Howard….if you could answer this honestly.  How would you feel if you were treated like a dog?

You couldn’t stay live for a day in Palestine/Gaza.

The cracks in your facade are showing…

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By Howard, December 28, 2008 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Hamas is at fault.  They have sent rockets and missles onto Israel for months. Every day. Israel has to defend itself.  Any nation would defend itself in such a situation.

Hamas is a danger to its own people.  They have finally goaded Israel into attacking the rocket factories and missle sites and all the world except here at truthie dig understands this. Israel does not aim at civilians. And understands that Hamas is a danger to any cause for a proper settlement.  And Israel has exhibited tremendous patience over the unstopping bombardment every day for the last six months. 

Let us hope Hamas turns direction and tries to help its people.

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By nahida, December 28, 2008 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

To those hasbara mouthpieces who vainly attempt to discredit the honesty, morality, integrity and modesty of the elected Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh

This is the home of the Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh

http://tinyurl.com/67a4ul

also
“.... Unlike Fatah leaders, Haniyeh moves without escort, and mixes freely with people on the streets. He has turned down the offer of 4,000 dollars a month as salary, and accepts only 1,500 dollars, which is what he needs, he says, for his family that includes 13 children. And he still lives in his old house in Shati Camp, one of the poorest refugee camps in the east of Gaza City.”

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42079

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now compare this with the “epidemic” corruption of the zionist thieves and occupiers:


Israel faces corruption ‘epidemic’

The latest scandals to hit the Israeli political establishment are just two examples in a long line that have recently rocked Israeli political and public life.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6276071.stm

72% of public rate Israeli government as corrupt

http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/11/26/72-of-public-rate-israeli-government-as-corrupt/


Israeli economic corruption rises

Jewish state scores low marks with regard to government corruption and influence, leadership efficiency, implementation of law and political stability; Ranks far lower than most developing countries

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3122015,00.html

 

World Bank: Israeli Gov´t Corruption Among Highest in the West

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/87077

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 28, 2008 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

Few other facts related to the Zionist savagery in Gaza!

1. Besides this latest Zionist massacre being planned for almost six months ago as news reports reveal, I am also sure that this operation was financed by part of the 50 billion dollars the Zionist-Israeli-American Madoff stole from investors and transferred to the Israeli banks of death!

2. The Palestinians of Gaza are mostly people who where driven out by Israeli terrorism from their old towns and villages occupied by Israel in 1945-1948. So besides being terrorized and displaced by the first waves of Israeli terrorism, they continue to receive the worst forms of Israeli terrorism.

3. Considering the untold suffering those people have been subjected to since the 1940’s, most of them must be angels for not raising hell beneath the feet of their enemies among them are sadly Arabs (Abbas, Jordan, Egypt), Israelis and Americans.

4. One thing I am sure about is that for everyone that was massacred in this latest Israeli terrorist operation, there will arise tens of relatives who would await for an opportunity to avenge their killed dear ones. Be warned terrorist Israel, for there will many years ahead of you when you will continue to receive dozes of your bitter medicine!!

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By truedigger3, December 28, 2008 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

To thnkUBush,

You are wrong. Egypt is one of the poorest per capita
nations in the world.

To other posters who called the struggle of the palestinian people a ,“conflict”, I say you are
mistaken.
A struggle between a victim and a criminal thief
who stole his house and his land is not a conflict.
It is struggle against the Israelis who stole their
country and refusing them the right of return while
in the main time bringing millions of people to settle in their place. 


To Fadel abdellah,

Please calm down and use common sense.

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By truedigger3, December 28, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

To thnkUBush,

You are wrong. Egypt is one of the poorest per capita
nations in the world.

To other posters who called the struggle of the palestinian people a ,“conflict”, I say you are
mistaken.
A struggle between a victim and a criminal thief
who stole his house and his land is not a conflict.
It is struggle against the Israelis who stole their
country and refusing them the right of return while
in the main time bringing millions of people


To Fadel abdellah,

Please calm down and use common sense.

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By KDelphi, December 28, 2008 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

This is what Jewish Voice for Peace says about it:

The timing of this attack, during the waning days of a US administration that has undertaken a catastrophic policy toward the Middle East and during the run-up to an Israeli election, suggests an opportunistic agenda for short-term political gain at an immense cost in Palestinian lives. In the long run this policy will benefit no-one except those who always profit from war and exploitation. Only a just and lasting peace, achieved through a negotiated agreement, can provide both Palestinians and Israelis the security they want and deserve.

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By Louise, December 28, 2008 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

yaz:
“7 - 10 billion dollars were given to gaza in 2007…. were is the money? on swiss accounts of hamas-leaders?”

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Sometimes I marvel at how people can turn an indifferent eye to the suffering of their fellow human beings. Then I read a post like yours and marvel no more. Ignorance often trumps indifference.

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“TEL AVIV, Dec 7 (Reuters) - Israeli police on Sunday blocked an attempt by Israeli Arabs to sail a boat from Israel to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip with a cargo of food and medical supplies.”

“GAZA, Dec 22 (KUNA)—The Palestinian authority is contacting European countries to mount pressure on Israel to allow transfer of funds provided by the European Union (EU) to Gaza Strip.”

“Minister of Social Affairs Dr Mahmoud Al-Habbash said, “These funds have been allocated to thousands of Palestinian families in need in Gaza Strip”—who are sustaining severe living conditions due to the Israeli-imposed siege. Voice of Palestine radio station quoted Al-Habbash as saying that the ministry was tasked to distribute the funds for social purposes across the West Bank through the European interim mechanism. According to the program, the Palestinian Authority and the EU coordinate efforts to aid more than 47,000 Palestinian families, including 24,000, in Gaza Strip.

The minister revealed that the EU had told him that Israel prevented the fund transfer to the strip.”

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Got that? The EU reports ISRAEL is PREVENTING the transfer of money to the Gaza strip! Oh but this didn’t begin this week, or even this month!

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“The siege and closure imposed by Israel have hindered medical aid from Jordan, Qatar, the Red Cross and the EU from reaching us,” said Dr Ma’awiya Hasanein, general manager of the emergency section in the Ministry of Health in the Gaza Strip.”

“The PNA had previously received financial assistance from the European Union and the United States. In 2005, this amounted to about US $1 billion, but the EU and the US suspended all direct aid on 7 April 2006 after the Hamas victory, according to the EU and the US State Department.”

“In addition, Israel and the Western countries have blocked millions of dollars-worth of financial aid from Arab donor countries.”

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Got that? Israel and its “to heel” Western Poodles have BLOCKED financial aid from Arab donors since April 2006!

There are several thousand other references to bully brother Israel, preventing money from reaching a desperate people in Gaza. But space forbids posting them all.

There are also references to Israeli humanitarian aide and money being BLOCKED by Israel. That aide and money is coming from Israeli Arabs. Yes, there are Arabs who live in Israel.

One has to wonder, what must go through the minds of the IDF, Olmert, the Kadima and the Knesset ...

“What is it going to take to destroy these Palestinians once and for all?”

But then if Gaza and the West Bank were totally destroyed, who would Israel have left to hate?

Oh silly me!

Iran and Iraq and Egypt and Turkey and Lebanon and Syria and Jordan and Saudi Arabia and, well the whole of the Middle East.

Then once they control all that, they can move on to controlling the world!

As to where all that “blocked” money has gone, I suspect Israel knows, [but no-one else] Why don’t you ask them?

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By omop, December 28, 2008 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

Nozferatu.

Appreciate your tone and information. Thanks.


Yaz.

That 7 - 10 billion you mention must have ended up in Matoff’s Ponzi pyramid. Unless of course you have definitive proof its in some Swiss bank. Do you?

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By Nozferatu, December 28, 2008 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

CYRENA:

Thank you for your reply. To answer your question regarding the number of jews in the Bush Administration, I refer you to several sources that….while can be questioned, do at least have names listed and many of whom are well know figures if not known as jews in public:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bushlist.htm
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498911316&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
http://www.radioislam.org/bush/jewishpower.htm

I always recommend people searching on their own and cross-referencing to back up data….but it’s a good start.

For example, I never knew Bolton was a jew.  But given his vehement hatred for Arabs and what not, it makes sense…but he’s a “true blooded” American isn’t he? This is one example of many.

Many of these people have dual citizenship…such as Michael Chertoff…to name one as an example.

So the question begs to be asked:

If so much anti-Antisemitism is being spewed at jews, why are so many of them in high places? 

If there is so much racism and obstacles for jews, why are there so many of them in top positions in corporations? 

The Fed is overrun by them…WHY?  The clothing industry….a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR industry…is monopolized by them.  The movie industry….they own it.  The diamond trade…they are the biggest players…if not the biggest.

But the most disturbing is found right here…in our government.  Why are there so many jews in our government?  Why does AIPAC have so much power and influence?  So much so that we change our policies and go to WAR for them? 

Which begs the even deeper question…what exactly do these people have on others that everyone is so afraid of?

Are countries THAT AFRAID of jews and being called merely “antisemitic” that they won’t make a stance against the chosen people?  Seriously…WTF is going on?

Or could be that because the purse strings are manipulated by this bunch is a well known fact and any public criticism is retaliated with embargoes, false wars, and economic distress?

Let’s be frank here….what on earth was a synagogue doing in the middle of Mumbai and happened to have rabbis targeted in the mess? 

If anyone can answer these very simple, almost remedial questions, I’m all ears.

We have to blame ourselves for much of this nonsense.  There is no logical reason why this one-sided stupidity of Israeli/jewish domination should be occurring.  This problem is very easy to solve:

Cut the funds and support to Israel.  Treat Israel like any other country with no favoritism.  Allow others to have these privileged, insider positions that so many jews are lucky to have…even all the while facing this large “Anti-semitic” drivel they whine on and on and on about.

If these things happen, people will see how quickly they will come back in line.  Until that happens, none of this nonsense will stop.

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By PatrickHenry, December 28, 2008 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

olivebranch, December 28 at 11:17

And the opposite is sanctimonious pro Jewish hatred?

Only a diehard zionist can try to excuse air strikes on innocent civilians (read children) and somehow attempt to blame the victims.

I hope Zohan gets his ass handed to him.

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By yaz, December 28, 2008 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment
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7 - 10 billion dollars were given to gaza in 2007.

usa, eu, israel(!) and the arab world gave it.

were is the money? on swiss accounts of hamas-leaders?

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By ThnkUBush, December 28, 2008 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

Semantic games are useless when discussing peoples lives.

Fact: The Arab world has some of the wealthiest nations, per capita, on the globe.

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By omop, December 28, 2008 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

To Louise:

According to the MEI for Peace and other orgs. Israel has been receiving 17 million dollars day 365 days a year.

And we have millions on food stamps and millions scattered in Indian reservations who live in squalor and on hand outs.

Cannot blame the Israelis for the US’s national character, integrity and weaknesses.  Still 17 million dollars a day to a population of 5 million.  Well figure the math

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By olivebranch, December 28, 2008 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Now I understand why it’s called Truth Dig. This where the truth is submerged by a flood of pent up sanctimonious anti Jewish hatred.
Dig and bury the truth.

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By brewerstroupe, December 28, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Israel admitted that this operation has been planned for six months.
The cease-fire, which Hamas has honoured, despite numerous Israeli breaches, began six months ago. It cannot therefore be in retaliation for rockets.

Israel appears to have abandoned all pretext to obeying international law. Having been, since 1948, in breach of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, (persons displaced during armed conflict must be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased), Israel’s action is a flagrant breach of Article 32, (A protected person/s shall not have anything done to them of such a character as to cause physical suffering or extermination ) and 33, (No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed.)

Even in my country, the newspapers make no mention of this and label the victims “militants”. Given that the first target was a passing out parade of newly trained policemen, this is at best misleading.

Yeats’ “The second coming” keeps reverberating through my brain:

.......Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity…....

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

—William Butler Yeats, January 1919
http://www.secretdoors.com/weavermoon/secondcoming.html

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By PatrickHenry, December 28, 2008 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

By Louise, December 28 at 10:41 am #

I bet alot of that 3 billion comes back to the U.S. by way of Lobbyists and use of dual national campaign contributions circumventing U.S. law regarding contributions from non U.S. citizens.

Sort of a political Madoff scheme.

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By dihey, December 28, 2008 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

Obama, who takes office on January 20, “is closely monitoring global events, including the situation in Gaza,” said his chief national security spokesperson Brooke Anderson.

Should I laugh or cry?

Failing grade Mr. Obama, failing grade. You are failing miserably. What little belief I had in you as a leader has comp[letely

We don’t need a “monitor”, we need a leader who slaps both Israel and the leaders of Hamas around their crania because they collectively threaten my safety far more than Saddam Hussein could ever have done and than Ahmedinejad does today. Israel/Palestine, not Afghanistan/Pakistan let alone Iraq/Iran is the tinderbox for WW3.

Here are two wonderful and relevant passages from Tom Stoppard’s play “Travesties”

Tristan Tsara: I am sick of cleverness. The clever people try to impose a design on the world and when it goes calamitously wrong they call it fate”.
Tristan Tsara: “I fart on it”.

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By Louise, December 28, 2008 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

Israel has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since 1976, and the largest total recipient since World War II.

The U.S. Israel military relationship has deepened over time, but not as a linear process of cooperation, but rather a series of partisan bargaining situations with different strategic and political components in each.

Under Truman the United States defined its policy in all three sectors that provided the root causes of American interests in the region: the Soviet threat, the birth of Israel, and petroleum.

The U.S. gives Israel almost $3 Billion a year in Grants. [Free money] Israel is among the top 25 countries in GDP per capita in the world. The U.S. runs a hefty deficit. So we borrow money [and pay interest] so we can give it too Israel, when they don’t even need it in the first place.

Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) Ltd:

IWI, small arms are some of the most popular in the world. The Uzi submachine because of its compact nature and reliability, is believed to have the highest sales statistics of all modern submachine guns, worldwide. The IWI Galil is a compact assault rifle. The Negev is IMI’s main light machine gun. The Jericho 941 is a semi-automatic pistol, while the Tavor is a bullpup assault rifle.

In the 80s U.S. Magnum Research, contracted IWI to re-design and manufacture a Magnum caliber [.44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and .50 AE], semi-automatic pistol. The result was the Desert Eagle, a powerful and popular handgun.

Products are created, for use by the IDF. But the Uzi is popular worldwide, while the Galil and Tavor are popular with counter-terrorist and “terrorist” forces.

IMI manufactures ammunition for firearms, artillery [explosive rounds and rockets] tanks and air-to-ground [stand-off and attack]. IMI also produces eastern bloc-caliber munitions. Heavy firearms. Upgrades for tanks, APCs and other armoured fighting vehicles. And upgrade components for firepower, survivability and maneuverability. A wide range of defensive products, vehicle add-on armor packages, landmine clearing systems, and reconnaissance systems and bridges.

And IMI produces aircraft countermeasures, such as flares, decoys and “electronic counter-measures control systems” with both land and sea-based platforms.

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By Louise, December 28, 2008 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Israel and weapons of mass destruction:

Israel is believed to possess 75 to 200 nuclear warheads and medium-range ballistic missiles capable of delivering those warheads. Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing them.

The U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment records Israel as a country with undeclared chemical warfare capabilities, and an offensive biological warfare program.

Israel took part in a regional conference with the Union for the Mediterranean - including majority Arab states - on 13 July 2008, to remove all weapons of mass destruction from the Middle East.

Chutzpah?

Israel is one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the other three are India, Pakistan and North Korea. The International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regards Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons.

July 12 - September 8, 2006
The Israel-Lebanon conflict:

The US Congress learned on July 14 2006, of a pending sale of $210 million worth of jet fuel to Israel. The [George Bush] Defense Security Cooperation Agency noted sale of JP-8 fuel will “enable Israel to maintain the operational capability of its aircraft inventory.” and “The jet fuel will be consumed while the aircraft is in use to keep peace and security in the region.”

It was reported July 24 2006, that the United States was providing Israel with “bunker buster” bombs, which would allegedly be used to target the leader of Lebanon’s Hezbollah guerilla group and destroy its trenches.

Evidence following the Israel-Lebanon war shows cluster bombs were used by Israel in civilian areas. And several remain undetonated harming and killing Lebanese civilians. Israel has responded to these accusations by saying they had not violated any international law.

So we have the U.S. sending money and weapons to Israel. Israel making weapons to sell back to us, and anybody else that wants them. And the world at war. Really dumb. Duh ...

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By felicity, December 28, 2008 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

marcus medler

It may be ‘good’ for business but it’s a damn good way to guarantee (and justify) the need for iron rule by those in power.  (A less violent but equally hideous condition exists in this country, i.e. the threat of terrorists around every corner perpetrated by the rulers of this country.)

Recall that before Sharon and several hundreds of Israeli troops marched on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the Palestinians were primarily rock throwers.  What better way to stir things up, to guarantee that the insult to the Muslim world would result in far worse weapons than rocks than to march on the third most sacred place in all of Islam - and the then need for (justifiable) iron rule by Israel that followed.

For want of a better phrase, the Palestinians (and Americans) have been and are being set-up.

The state of Israel

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By PatrickHenry, December 28, 2008 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

By cann4ing, December 28 at 9:45 am #

Thanks for sharing that.

Israel has had this contingency plan for quite awhile. 

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5801

In true Israeli fashion the attack came as the Gaza inhabitants were thought they were recieving food.

Another instance were a black op goes wrong.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

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By troublesum, December 28, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Compare the msm’s response to the Russian attack on Georgia last summer to this Israeli attack on Gaza.  The Palestinians are defenseless against the Israeli war machine but the conflict is always presented as one between equals. 

Usually when there is an attack of this magnitude the US government is asked to approve it in advance.  I would also like to know if Obama signed off on it.

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