Thanks, PatrickHenry, for this:

By PatrickHenry, December 28 at 11:04 am #
“By way of deception thou shall do war.”

...the motto of Mossad, the Israeli secret service (Isreal’s equivalent to the CIA), and through underhanded dealings & false flag attacks they have proven themselves masters at the dark arts.

Israel has cried wolf so many times is it any wonder the world has finally caught on to the fact they themselves are the wolves. This despite children of Israel in control of most of the media, is it any wonder their dirty little secrets never seem to come to light?

Can we trust the morals & ethics of religious Jewish people in Israel, I believe so, can we trust the Israeli government right-wingers & Mossad, I believe not.

By way of deception thou shall do war.

It’s in their blood, throughout the old testament until now.

The Palestinians need anti-aircraft weapons a la Charlie Wilsons war.  It sure would level the playing field and increase U.S. exports of these items.

Hi cyrena, dihey, and KDelphi, and yes KDelphi I did sign the petition. I think you can surmise by my previous post where I stand on this issue. There appears to be only one enemy of mankind extant here.

dihey, War Crime??? According to whom? International bodies controlled by whom? And who has the leverage & advantage here…Israel? or Palestine & the rest?

Then there is your statement about this, “Israel has become less safe because of an act that was intended to create terror among the Gazans.”, which sounds very similar to the fact the Iraq pre-emptive illegal invasion created more terrorist & acts worldwide because of an equally failed policy decision.

The people initiating these policies based, on errant ideology, dementia, & swollen egos, have control temporarily (very), but not a clue. In the long run a dedicated insurgent population has proven in various instances even the strongest colonial power will ultimately know defeat. The mindset you can incarcerate a total population, or even just their leaders (because they grow like weeds), is sheer lunacy.

cyrena, my good friend, there is no need for much because from the past gobs of posts & such we are of pretty like mind.

My feeling is that in the ME, Israel is the problem rather than solution. To have 2% or less of the US population, as well as many high ranking government officials claiming dual citizenship, controlling policy of this country is a grevious abberation not acceptable to democratic principles. Anyone with a dual citizenship is compromised by a conflict of interest/loyalty, and has no right to serve in the government of the US. And from here the problem originates. Without massive US support where would Israel be?We all know the answer…it wouldn’t be at all, or it would be reasonable.

By Blackspeare, December 27 at 7:28 am #
I guess you people haven’t seen the latest.  The IDF has launched significant operations in Gaza targeting all Hamas police stations and killing over a hundred. Like they say when one door opens another closes!
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Blackspeare,
I was thinking the same thing. In fact, both of these aricles are posted here on TD with only 1 degree of separation. Israel lifs the blocade on Friday and proceeds to bomb the the shit out of Gaza and kill a few hundred people on Saturday.

This is what we’ve come to know of Israel. That’s why I completely agree with Fadel. It was difficult to get too excited about the fact that Israel had finally agreed to end the blockade, since we had to expect, (from everything they’ve done over the past 60 years) that they were already planning today’s aerial bombing of Gaza when they lifted the blockade yesterday.

Now of course the ‘saying’ that you reference here is generally assumed in the more optimistic reverse, “When one door closes, another door opens”. I don’t know that to be true necessarily, because as we see, it all depends on the interpretation.

Here is the consequence of my country (USA) refusing to talk to a declared enemy (Hamas) without preconditions. Instead the Bush administration refused to accept the results of the Gaza elections which it had encouraged and then supported Israel’s immediately following illegal withholding of funds to the Gazans. The subsequent total blockade by Israel was a well-understood war crime.

A second consequence of the Israeli air raid on Gaza is that Hamas will grow in stature in Gaza just like Hezbollah did in Lebanon after the Israeli bombing and invasion.

If PE and soon to be POTUS Obama believes that his representatives can talk to Israel but do not need to talk to Hamas he is out of his cotton picking mind, deserves to fail miserably, and should be voted out of office in 2012.

Israel has become less safe because of an act that was intended to create terror among the Gazans. It has little choice to follow up and re-occupy Gaza because “Lebanon” has shown that air raids alone cannot destroy the easy-to-hide rockets fired at Israel.

Here is a petition to ask to end the occupation by Israel—I dont know if anyone here is interested…

http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=1771

RE: blackspeare…
“As previously mentioned Hamas has succeeded in goading Israel into an inappropriate military response as seen by the world.”

And what is your source for this? Do you recognize this just might be more ‘false flag’ information like Israel put out about the reason for their attack on Lebanon a couple summers ago? They have a long history of propaganda & mis-information, and a pretty good lock on control of major media sources worldwide, so how can you be certain?

I guess you people haven’t seen the latest.  The IDF has launched significant operations in Gaza targeting all Hamas police stations and killing over a hundred. Like they say when one door opens another closes!

As previously mentioned Hamas has succeeded in goading Israel into an inappropriate military response as seen by the world.  The start of the reign of Obama is less than a month away——it will begin with a bang (pun intended) and should prove quite interesting.

Ok, so why does Truthdig provide a space for ‘Comment Title’ if it doesn’t show up when you post? Does anyone have an answer?

...if people moved into & claimed the land you had lived on for untold generations, walled in your city, tried to starve your populace, and continually fomented war against you. The majority of Israeli citizens have expressed a will to have a peaceful resolution with Palestine, but a small minority of radical right wing hard liners within the government demand total conquest and/or annihilation. How would YOU feel, Frank, when faced by the same situation?

“Why can’t we all just get along?”, spoken by Rodney King after a severe beating, but one of the greatest comments emanating from a very troubled anti-social 20th century. Are we going to continually look to the past or move into a peaceful 21st century?

And how do the Palestinians in Gaza respond to this humanitarian gesture?  By continuing rocket attacks into Israel cities, targeting and killing civilians.  Why am I not surprised?  Israel has now retaliated, bringing mass casualties. And the beat goes on…

the repeated opening and closing of the crossing is not more than than nasty psychological game. this is war crime and should be treated as such.

...the Israelis started showing some sense & humanity.

Churchill once quipped that Americans & Brits were two people separated by a common language. Since many in the ME are joined by a common heritage of being Semitic can we say they are relativss separated by different languages?

Oh, I forgot, it’s long dead prophets from outdated religious philosophy that causes the ‘great divide’. Don’t we all share the same mitochondrial DNA, which means everyone on earth is related?

Get over it, children, or you’ll soon do something you will really regret when you reach maturity!

Though this is a piece of positive news, I am not rushing to celebrate or praise this development as a long-term reality.

Even if it turns out to be implemented on a long-term basis, I will give the credit to the so-called “international community” pressures and not to the wising up of the habitual Israeli cruelty, arrogance and violations of basic human rights.