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End of a Supersized EraPosted on Dec 23, 2008
Gas prices and fiscal concerns are causing the demise of the American-made sport utility vehicle, a welcome development in the eyes of many fellow drivers but one that also spells the end for thousands of American jobs.
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By Lost, December 28, 2008 at 1:53 pm #
Your plainly TRAITORS and GANGSTERS have no even match with ours! The situation around new protective taxes on foreign cars quickly comes to major civil unrest in the Far East of our country. In contrast people are protesting against protective tax rising because many of them can loose their jobs in car trading small business. Government denies revert pulled throughout parliament new tax regulation and send Moscow riot police forces to suppress any resistance while our kremlin controlled media trying to silence, corrupt and pervert any information spreading from there. So you cannot see any links to this event in official media, so sad to us :(
Separatist intentions have grown at most higher level in past 90 years.
Moscow has never been so close to lost control of Russian Far East.
Every single spark can blow this big gunpowder barrel away.
Look at the pictures in this link. Sorry no English comment available as this is live journal of one Russian witness. There are main square of Vladivostok city and scenes of violence committed by Moscow riot police forces. This peaceful meeting and dance around Christmas tree became bloody show of power.
http://matroskin-cat.livejournal.com/83052.html#cutid1
It’s a disgrace and shame :(
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, December 26, 2008 at 4:11 pm #
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“This nation needs to rebuild its railroads and begin conversion away from the private passenger vehicle”
Nice thought.. I live 35 miles from the nearest food store 55 miles from a town where I can buy a pair of sox, 100 miles from a real hospital and 300 miles from the nearest passenger rail station (which happens to be in Canada.) It will be a long ass time before trains come (back) here. last year they tore up the rails on the old Bangor and Aroostook RR and made it into a snowmobile trail.
Report thisBy markg8, December 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm #
As you can see from the figures I posted GM (and all the Big Three) need to sell higher profit margin vehicles in the US to make money. There just isn’t enough money to be made selling Cobalts vs Corollas. Their cost per car is so much higher because of those legacy costs, mainly healthcare for 400,000 retirees in GM’s case. Toyota doesn’t have that problem because in Japan they face no foreign competition and the government pays for not just their retirees’ healthcare but their employees too.
The UAW finally convinced all three US car makers to turn over healthcare to the union, and are scheduled to do it by 2010. The union with a bigger pool from all three manufacturers will be able insure them at a lower cost but it’s a stopgap measure at best.
We need to nationalize our healthcare system so the Big Three and all US manufacturers can compete using US workers. GM and Ford build plenty of good small cars in Europe and make money on them there. But their US workers are too expensive for them to break even on small cars here, not because of wildly inflated UAW wages but because they’re stuck paying healthcare for their workers and retirees here. Unlike any other manufacturing nation on earth.
That’s not the immediate problem. No car manufactures are making money this year. Prius sales are off 48% from 11/07 to 11/08. Toyota says they’ll lose money this year too. Nissan announced last week they’re cutting production another 78,000 from the 225,000 they slashed already this year.
The foreign manufacturers and Ford have a bigger financial cushion to ride out the credit crisis. GM and Chrysler have been peddling as fast they can to transform themselves but the double whammy of whipsawing gas prices and the credit crunch have hit them very hard.
Report thisBy Old Geezer Pilot, December 25, 2008 at 11:15 pm #
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You know, Detroit already makes a whole slew of fuel-efficient small cars - they just don’t put any marketing muscle behind selling them.
Check out the Chevy Cobalt for example.
Report thisBy markg8, December 24, 2008 at 8:22 pm #
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From Car and Driver:
Chrysler tied Toyota for productivity in car making as the best in North America, so say the results of the 2008 Harbour Report—the authority on automotive productivity—released June 5, 2008.
Once all the numbers were crunched—including the number of hours it takes for stamping, building transmissions, engines, and assembling vehicles—the two automakers finished in a dead heat at 30.37 hours per vehicle each.
In descending order, the rest of the pack are: Honda (31.33 hours), GM (32.29), Nissan (32.96), Ford (33.88), and Hyundai (35.10).
This near-parity is a far cry from a few years ago when the Japanese could out-produce the Big Three 2:1.
“But productivity doesn’t guarantee profitability,” Ron Harbour warns. The Japanese still make much more money on each car assembled and sold. The numbers are downright scary. Honda and Nissan make $1641 in pre-tax profit on every vehicle assembled, while the average profit on a Toyota is $922. Contrast that with $1467 lost by Ford per vehicle, a loss of $729 on average for GM, and $412 in the red on a Chrysler product.
With those kind of numbers you can understand why all car manufacturers fought congress over CAFE standards (with full complicity from the Republican party and Democrats from MI) to keep building large high profit margin vehicles. Toyota would rather sell you a Tundra than a Prius too but for American car makers it was literally a matter of life and death. GM alone supports over 400,000 retirees. Toyota which has operated plants in this country for only a couple of decades? About 700.
The American owned manufacturers aren’t going broke because UAW workers make a lot more money than non-union workers. The difference is only about $3 an hour right now at the top wage scale on the factory floor. Less experienced workers make about the same at both US owned and transplants. And labor costs account for 10% of the price of a vehicle anyway.
We must nationalize healthcare or we won’t have any internationally competitive business in this country in a few years. The Big Three are just the canary in the coal mine.
Report thisBy Eric S., December 24, 2008 at 7:10 pm #
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I sincerely feel for the workers. GM had ‘em making these monsters way past their sell-by date and they paid the price.
Report thisGM has done a lot of damage to society with their road-hogging SUVs. They guzzle gas, which is great for Saudi princes but bad for the planet and for future generations of people who will need fuel. They block the view of other drivers. They have high grilles which cave in car doors and give internal injuries to car occupants as well as unlucky pedestrians. They give their owners a false sense of security and power. Their height makes them handle badly, leading to preventable collisions and rollovers. They are not needed by 90 per cent of the people who own them, such as suburban moms and dads. They are expensive and a waste of metal, glass and rubber.
Sorry for the workers, who are victims of bad policy by GM.
By Winston Warfield, December 24, 2008 at 3:05 pm #
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Makes no sense - dismantling these plants and dispersing workers. This nation needs to rebuild its railroads and begin conversion away from the private passenger vehicle to comfortble, efficient rail travel. These plants could be converted to build light-rail vehicles, for example, which ARE needed. If the plants are trashed, we’ll have to start from scratch when political and financial leaders finally realize we need to resurrect the railroads to deal with the coming oil crash. Obama, where in the hell is leadership on this?
Report thisBy Louise, December 24, 2008 at 3:00 pm #
There was an old woman who had one snow shoe,
but needed some groceries, oh what to do?
She pulls on her slippers, [they have rubber soles]
climbs in daughters car and away slowly goes.
The roads are there somewhere, beneath all the snow,
but not clearly seen, so the travel is slow.
At last in the distance the store does appear.
We slide into parking, “happy day, we are here!”
When along comes a Hummer and slows for a bit,
blocking cars and good people, then goes in a skid.
On people, on shoppers, on managers all!
To the lot, to the Hummer,
to the push, watch the wall!
And the monster does move, just a bit, then a tad,
and there’s cars skidding by,
and we know this is bad.
Then finally it moves and we let out a cheer!
We can all go in shopping, the roadway is clear!
But the fun’s still not over, the driver climbs down,
steps on some ice and goes spinning around.
Down comes the driver, down comes her pride,
and we stifle a chuckle, watching her ride!
Finally she stops, and after a while,
“Can someone please help me?” She asks with a smile.
And help her we do, to the store, where it’s dry.
But she stops and bends over, she’s starting to cry!
Stopping in wonder we ask, “Can we help?”
But she doesn’t answer, just lets out a yelp.
Slowly she turns, and the yelp turns to wail,
“Oh my gosh this is awful, I’ve broken a nail!”
Well we leave her to suffer and go to our carts,
finish our shopping and pay with glad hearts!
And I’m told by a checker, the day finally cleared.
And the shoppers and workers went home for good cheer.
And a nice wealthy lady was helped on a bus,
while others stood asking, “What’s all the fuss?”
Now always remember, when life gets you down,
we still have tomorrow! Still hope does abound!
We’ll figure a way to make things work out.
Of that we are certain, of that there’s no doubt!
We built this great nation, we can do it again!
And the sorrow will pass and we’ll once again win!
And while were about it, remember one thing,
even the wealthy have something to bring.
A future that’s honest in finding new ways.
In fairness we’ll teach them, oh happy days!
And those who wont try will just fall by the way,
until they can learn only effort means pay!
So if life leaves you bummed,
makes you feel things aren’t fair,
Just remember my friends, the Hummer’s still there!
Anybody got a shovel?
Report thisBy samosamo, December 24, 2008 at 2:24 pm #
Why would I want to keep supporting a job sector that is a big contributor to the current crisis? Money flows, everything is great, money dries up, and idiots think that saving a disease will keep the world turning.
Report thisBy Ed Harges, December 24, 2008 at 2:14 pm #
If the US would convincingly renounce any intention whatsoever to go to war against Iran, ever, or to undertake or support any more aggressions in the Middle East for Israel’s benefit, that would do more than anything else possibly could to keep gas prices down.
Our “special relationship” with Israel is the single greatest cause of our acute oil and gas crisis, because Israel demands that we threaten to destroy the very countries whose good will our own self-interest would otherwise compel us to cultivate.
I’m all for developing alternatives to fossil fuels in the long run, but let’s not kid ourselves. Last summer’s gigantic spike in oil prices had one cause only, and that was the sudden spike in threats of war against Iran - and that is something that Israel and nobody else wants or needs - except for American politicians in both parties who fear Israel’s powerful supporters.
Report thisBy Expat, December 24, 2008 at 1:04 pm #
I think we are not even close to ending our Colossal stupidity. We’re going to do any and everything we can to hang onto our stupid way of consuming and living like there’s no piper to be paid. When the piper comes there will be hell to pay. I probably won’t live to see it, but that brings cold comfort for the future generations who’ll no doubt ask how we could have been so completely stupid.
Report thisBy Jim Yell, December 24, 2008 at 11:33 am #
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If they aren’t making behemoths that guzzle energy recources and rinder the roads dangerous to all and sundry, than won’t they be making fuel efficient smaller cars? Oh yes we get those from asia, well we are fully entitled to enact protectist policy to encourge industrial survivial in this country.
Of course, the manufacturers of automobiles and investment have from the beginning of wholesale importation of cars from outside our borders held vast amount of stock in Asian and other auto companies. The profits are the same or higher and they don’t have to be personally responsible for the true cost of production, like living wages, environmental concerns, health and safety. They can duck behind the mantra well we can’t control what happens in a foriegn country it is legal there.
We have given billions to people who are traitors and who have for decades taken their money out of the country to enhance their wealth. If they don’t want to manufacture cars in this country properly than nationalize the industry and hire private directors who will have to work with reasonable guidlines and have real responsibility to the society that gives them the chance to make a comfortable profit.
We have seen once again, as if we should have been stupid enough to have forgotten that investors and industry are if not forced to follow regulation, to put quite plainly TRAITORS and GANGSTERS. This was no accident.
Report thisBy mike, December 24, 2008 at 9:01 am #
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Cadillac hybrids bring the mpg rating all the way up to 19mpg from 17mpg, big whoop…
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