Is there anyone out there that would be angry if Rumsfeld went to jail?

I’m sick of extraneous associations, misguided political fears and yet Silence when it comes to the Reason Our nation is in the cluster it’s been Tricked into.
Cheney,rummy & Wolfie have far more serious things to answer for. yet the media is focusing on the BS dissent of his former supporters. Why are they not doing exposes on those who have questions about perpetrated crimes by the Bush admin. I’m betting there a book in the revelations of former Bush supporters.
Once again the media (and some people) have fallen for the Bait & switch of political deception. Who Obama names to his cabinet is note worthy, but we have yrs (if not decades) of high crimes which have not been fully discussed, investigated or prosecuted.
This story will no doubt be buried amongst non stop punditry of Obama non existent contact with Blogo. Or more ‘too early to report’ loops of the Child’s body which was found yesterday (evidence of identity takes time).Lehr, Keith,Rachel, Jon and even Stephen will pick it up..but the majority of media will ignore it or pass over it quickly. this is pertinent to the General Public in a Democracy, where speculation on Blogo & Caylee are not.
Tell me when there has been Evidence to prove a crime, not just your ‘take’. This reports supports the allegations of criminality. Guessing obama had contact with Blogo is not evidential, nor is guessing about identity before the fact are determined. Rumsfeld ‘gave the orders’ there is no longer ‘Guessing’ involved.
Hopefully, The Dems and any self respecting Republican will hold off prosecution proceedings until Bush is out of office..Can’t pardon when you ain’t the Pres! Most Likely why Dems did not bother before, they’d walk away with a Pres pardon…and we can’t take a second bite at the apple. so get them the first time around and make it count!
Someone should confiscate Rummy’s passport or put Him on the watch list, so that he can not escape to a Non extradiction country.

samosamo echoes my reaction to this ‘latest’ study of a subject that has been common knowledge for years.  Hell, Cheney said years ago that “sometimes we have to work the dark stuff.” 

Rumsfeld is no less and no more guilty of advocating torture than others in the Bush cabal.  No longer an official member of the Bush Administration, it’s ‘safe’ to pin the crime on him which in the demented minds of BushCo automatically lets them off the hook.

Congress never ceases to amaze. There seems to be a total disconnect between the real world and Congress’s world except when it comes to the urgency of renaming post offices (in fact one-fourth of all legislation passed by this Congress has been renaming post offices.)

Back to torture.  A policy advocating and practicing it is very much in keeping with the Bush Administration because torture satisfies the lust for tyranny. Given the opportunity, its use by this administration was a foregone conclusion.

http//www.democracynow.org has a discussion about this with German attorney Wolfgang Kalek.  About 20 long video.

CIA Torture Tapes Destoryed After Watchdog Concluded Methods Illegal

By Jason Leopold
The Public Record
Thursday, December 11, 2008

Published in : Nation/World

Also see this explosive report: Donald Rumsfeld Authorized Torture of Detainees at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib

“The CIA destroyed videotapes showing its agents subjecting high-level al-Qaeda detainees to waterboarding after the agency’s inspector general issued a classified report in the spring of 2004 that concluded the interrogation methods used on the prisoners “appeared to constitute cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment, as defined by the International Convention Against Torture.”

Details about the videotapes were revealed in a February 2003 letter released in January by Congresswoman Jane Harman D-California. Harman was the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee at the time she wrote the letter to the CIA advising the agency against destroying the videotapes. Prior to writing the letter to then CIA General Counsel Scott Muller, Harman had been briefed about the CIA’s interrogation methods against so-called high-level detainees. The CIA declassified Harman’s letter at the congresswoman’s request.

“You discussed the fact that there is videotape of [high-level al-Qaeda operative] Abu Zubaydah following his capture that will be destroyed after the Inspector General finishes his inquiry,” Harman wrote. “I would urge the Agency to reconsider that plan. Even if the videotape does not constitute an official record that must be preserved under the law, the videotape would be the best proof that the written record is accurate, if such record is called into question in the future. The fact of destruction would reflect badly on the Agency.”

Harman’s letter provides a more thorough account of the possible reasons CIA officials destroyed the videotaped interrogations, which, according to media reports, took place in November 2005, more than two years after Harman sent a letter to Muller voicing disapproval about purging the videotapes. It also suggests intelligence officials heeded prior warnings to preserve the videotapes and destroyed the videotapes only after evidence of the agency’s covert interrogation practices were revealed publicly in news reports.

Harman’s letter did not raise concerns or express disapproval about the CIA’s use of so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Moreover, her letter advising the agency against destroying the videotapes were made out of concern the footage CIA agents captured “would be the best proof that the written record is accurate, if such record is called into question in the future.” It is believed Harman was referring to information about the 9/11 attacks and other purported plots against the United States.

At the time Harman wrote to Muller, CIA Inspector General John Helgerson was in the midst of an internal investigation into the agency’s interrogation methods. Helgerson personally viewed the videotapes that showed two detainees being subjected to waterboarding by CIA officers, which formed the foundation for his still classified report on the CIA’s methods of interrogation.

“In his report, Mr. Helgerson also raised concern about whether the use of the techniques could expose agency officers to legal liability,” according to a November 9, 2005, story in The New York Times published the same month the tapes were destroyed. “They said the report expressed skepticism about the Bush administration view that any ban on cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment under the treaty does not apply to CIA interrogations because they take place overseas on people who are not citizens of the United States.” ‘

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/552-cia-destroyed-torture-tapes-after-watchdog-concluded-methods-illegal.html

It would be nice to see Donald Rumsfeld before a Committee to investigate these things.  I kinda miss his egotistical and proud explanations.  I wonder how he would hold-up now that he is retired, and perhaps, making a fortune from his Iraqi investments.

Oh God another example,there was one woman officer in Iraq that was ordered to participate in the torturous sessions by the commanding officer of Iraq. She did so before knowing the truth of what she was about to experience. She was horrified, as any decent, law abiding American would be.  They insisted she be in the rooms during the interrogative torture of detainees as she was an intelligence specialist with excellent language skills. She was a top officer the very finest person you could imagine, caught in the nightmare world of George W. Bush. She refused to participate flat out and they continued to insist that she was required.

The wonderful American gift to us all, a treasure to our nation, ended up shooting herself in the head in effort to escape the horror that she had realized was her own government.

Another murdered American, killed by Bush and the criminals in Congress that supported him in any way and those in the government and services who supported him.  They are, one and all, guilty. 

Those that have worked to oppose him tooth and nail are out true heroes.  One day they should receive a great medal of honor and award of great service in a dire time.

Yes and Rumsfeld was purported by many in the services to have visited detention facilities where they had people hanging by their hands for weeks and who clearly hand been beaten. He was even caught on film doing so. Rumsfeld toured these facilities and said, “you are doing a wonderful job.”  There can be NO doubt whatsoever that this was approved and spread down and all around like a cancer systematically.  The torture was designed to get FALSE confessions, in the case of Guantanamo.  9/11 was done by BUSH and his cohorts not taxi drivers randomly picked up in Afghanistan.  These people were victims of psychotic treasonous criminals in our government at the very highest levels.

Even in the prosecutor of the Illinois governor his people were trashing Muslims left and right.  They had FBI out publicly defaming the Islamic religion and Fitzgerald was noted for having taken many aggressive actions against people merely for supporting Muslims at all.  This was a George W Bush to the and included psychopaths like Dick Cheney and now apparently Robert Mueller at the FBI who I am surprised but it was doubtful he couldn’t have been a party to this process

Well, it is progress. But why was this ‘bipartisan’ report only begun 18 months ago or so? Why was something so obvious, not investigated 5 or 6 years ago? This the kind of crap that earns the label of irresponsible at the least and criminal at the most. Same tactics here as in the economic meltdown we are going through with all kinds of fish slipping out of the net to escape accountability.