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Posted on Dec 9, 2008
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“Hot Rod” in hot water: Illinois Gov. Blagojevich.

For three years, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich has been under scrutiny by federal investigators on the lookout for signs of corruption, and on Tuesday Blagojevich and his chief of staff were arrested. The story of what happened to provoke the arrests was still developing Tuesday morning, but it apparently involves Wrigley Field, the Chicago Tribune and the hunt for President-elect Barack Obama’s successor in the U.S. Senate.


USA Today:

Federal prosecutors allege that Blagojevich, a Democrat, was trying to sell the Senate seat that Barack Obama vacated following his presidential win. Here’s more from the complaint:

  Rod Blagojevich has been intercepted conspiring to trade the Senate seat for particular positions that the President-elect has the power to appoint (e.g. the Secretary of Health and Human Services). Rod Blagojevich has also been intercepted conspiring to sell the Senate seat in exchange for his wife’s placement on paid corporate boards or Rod Blagojevich’s placement at a private foundation in a significant position with a substantial salary. Rod Blagojevich has also been intercepted conspiring to sell the Senate seat in exchange for millions of dollars in funding for a non-profit organization that he would start and that would employ him at a substantial salary after he left the governorship.

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By Clash, December 10, 2008 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

President Biden anyone?

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By Mrs Boge, December 10, 2008 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment
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Well, well, well . . . they finally nailed him.  For all you that voted for Obama - Chicago politics will soon be moving into the White House.  I hope you all are happy.  This is just a tidbit of what is to come!

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By Maani, December 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Fadel:

You are, of course, correct in noting that Caponevich gets indicted for comparatively minor crimes while Chimpy McFlightsuit (I always loved that one…) remains in office despite crimes against humanity.  The differences are mostly with respect to “solidity.”

That is, Caponevich was actually wiretapped, so there is no question as to what he said, what he did, and what he intended to do.

With Bush, there is always “executive privilege,” “national security,” and other excuses as to why potential prosecutors will never be able to tap phone lines, read emails, or even get sworn testimony so that they have “solid” evidence on which to act.  Right now, as far as the U.S. justice system is concerned, even though it is clear that Bush engaged in illegal activities, all of the evidence is “circumstantial” - and no one would be foolish enough to start a case against Bush with only circumstantial evidence, no matter how much of it there may be.

This does not mean they should not try, and I do not agree with the “common wisdom” (which is neither common nor wise…) that undertaking such an investigation would somehow be “too traumatic” for the American people, or “sidetrack” the Obama administration.  In fact, I believe quite that opposite: that it would serve as a “remedy” for the anger of much of the country, and make the Obama administration look BETTER vis-a-vis its attempt to restore the rule of law - all the way to the top.

Ultimately, I believe that one way for Obama to have his cake and eat it too (i.e., bring Bush to justice without having to take personal responsibility for it) would be for Obama to finally make the U.S. an active member of the ICC, and then have the ICC open an investigation and case against Bush (and Cheney and others) for war crimes and crimes against humanity - beginning with 9/11.

Peace.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 10, 2008 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

re: Fadel Abdullah
The crimes against humanity committed by George Bush and crew, are much more important than the money grubbing actions of Guv Blago. But the real problem is getting anyone within the military complex to be held accountable for their crimes, that protection from responsibility is the most coveted prize of all. This is true all over the world. As some Lebanese-American friends said to me recently: the former President of Syria, nor his son, will be called for what they did in Lebanon. The same can be said of Israel, when Menachem Begin was prime minister. A terrorist leader by any definition of the word, responsible for thousands upon thousands of deaths, Palestinian and British… yet he was received in the United States as a world leader.
I had a friend from Morocco once who never discussed politics, but one day said to me:—You’ve heard of the Shah of Iran?
—Yea sure I…
—The King of Morocco is worse.
That was all he said, but I got the point.
The reason the U.S. Justice is burning you up, is because the United States government has chosen in most instances the path of a rogue nation. This explains are refusal to participate in international treaties and the world court. The right wing does not believe the U.S. should be a global citizen, they prefer the path of the bully, time and time again. Just recently our State department was twisting the arm of Afghanistan to NOT sign the international treaty that seeks to ban cluster bombs… cluster bombs for heavens sake, which are known for inflicting 90% of their damage on civilians. Afghanistan went ahead and signed the treaty anyway.
Although U.S. attorney Patrick Fitzgerald is concerned with other matters, as Folktruther on this thread has pointed out, nevertheless he is concerned with the rule of law, whether it is sending former Governor Ryan to prison, or the present one, Rod Blagojevich. The rule of law is paramount if ever the almost incomprehensible injustices will ever be addressed. The refusal of those at the top to take action against Bush, his underlings, Blackwater, etc is not acceptable… it should be matched by those who are aware of these crimes never forgetting that they happened and continue to happen.
Excuse me, that is all I have to say and I know it is not much. Peace.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 10, 2008 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

By thebeerdoctor, December 10 at 9:17 am #

re: Fadel Abdallah

There is more to this than just planning crime.
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Dear thebeerdoctor,

Thank you for your attempt to explain! However, my comment was not intended to belittle the crime/crimes of the Illinois’s governor; it was intended more to highlight the double standards in the justice/injustice system! How Blagojevich’s crime compares to the actual killing of thousands of Americans, Iraqis, Afghans and the total destruction of two third world countries based on lies, deception and plain evil by Bush and his cohorts?!

I wish you or anyone else could address the real issue I raised, which I am re-posting below:

“My question is: Has justice been served by criminalizing a person like Blagojevich while criminal Bush, with too much innocent blood on his hands, goes on to reap the the material post-presidency rewards without enough courageous voices demanding his trial for his crimes against humanity?!

Here where the flagrant double-standards of American injustice system keep torturing my soul!”

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By Folktruther, December 10, 2008 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Beerdoctor: Fitsgerald can be an honest prosecutor and still be pointed in a dishonest direction.  Blago can be corrupt but still no more corrupt than any other offical.  The media can now ignore Obama’s relation to Blago and later be shocked! shocked! that Obama discussed his successor with him.

As you know, I am not an Obama enthusiast.  But there is blowback from legitimating the spying on all Americans, and the Dems appear to be victims of a Gop criminal legal system.  And since they are primarily concerned with their own political futures rather than a party defense, there is no one to defend Dem officials from discriminatory prosecution.

I fully agree that all corrupt officals be prosecuted.  And that would destroy the American power system, which I also favor.  But focusing on Dems slants the power system further in a rightwing direction, and puts pressure on Obama not to rock the boat.

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By Maani, December 10, 2008 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

beerdoctor:

“In a very real sense this indictment actually protects the President-elect. And please remember, Governor Blagojevich is still in a position to name Senator Obama’s successor, even after being arrested.”

First, thanks for referencing the actual indictment.

As for the above, you are correct: Obama is given a layer of protection not only by the indictment (and Fitzgerald’s own words), but it now seems that Obama may have (and it is speculation at this point) actually “assisted” in the investigation in some way.

Re Caponevich naming Obama’s successor, it is true that, legally, he still ha this power.  But it is unlikely that anyone he appoints would accept such an appointment under such tainted circumstances.  And if he appoints himself, he will face an almost certain 2/3 majority vote ousting him from the Senate (and he will also lose his governor’s seat).  Right now the Illinois legislature is working feverishly to take that power away from him, and calling for a special election.  It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Peace.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 10, 2008 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

re: Fadel Abdallah

There is more to this than just planning crime. Read the indictment, you will find a continual pattern of strong arm tactics used against nearly everyone. Pay to play was employed against the Mercy hospital system, the Tribune company, road projects, etc. The timing of the indictment is related to the fact that a crime was about to happen, that is, the selling off of the Illinois Senate seat to the suitor who could sweeten the deal the most. In other words, Blagojevich is a criminal accessory before the fact. In a very real sense this indictment actually protects the President-elect. And please remember, Governor Blagojevich is still in a position to name Senator Obama’s successor, even after being arrested.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 10, 2008 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Blagojevich is a punk to use a mild word!

However, how many punks, criminals and straight evil politicians this nation has had, especially in the last decade?!

In someway, Blagojevich is a victim of an immoral and corrupt political culture, where the big criminals get away with it. You don’t need to look further than the evil one spending his last days in the White House.

In a sense, Blagojevich is a victim of evil Bush who, like Bush, thought of himself either above the law or the law itself!

My question is: Has justice been served by criminalizing a person like Blagojevich, who only had planes for corruption and bribery which were not executed, while criminal Bush, with too much innocent blood on his hands, goes on to reap the the material post-presidency rewards without enough courageous voices demanding his trial for his crimes against humanity?!

Here where the flagrant double-standards of American injustice system keep torturing my soul!

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By Inherit The Wind, December 10, 2008 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

KO put it well. This guy would be the dumbest, greediest politician on the face of the planet, but there’s still Robert Mugabe to take that title.  So Rod is going to have to settle for being the dumbest, greediest politician in the Western Hemisphere.

Patrick Fitzgerald is what a US Attorney is supposed to be.  The WH tried to get rid of him because he is NOT about to tailor his prosecutions based on the party of the accused.  It if were one of the notorious 8 that Bush appointed to replace “unsafe” prosecutors, I’d think it was a setup. But with Fitzgerald? I find it hard to believe.  NOW the WH will leave him alone because he’s going after a Dem, but they didn’t when he went after GOPers.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 10, 2008 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

re: Ted Buila

No matter how badly or well Patrick Fitzgerald handles this case, my point is that in no way can it be construed that the U.S. Attorney is part of some right wing conspiracy. He is trying to uphold the law. In the case of the Valery Flame investigation, he was going up against the entire White House and the its minions in the Justice Dept. The fact that he was able to secure an indictment and conviction is remarkable, considering that Bush’s brain, Karl Rove, was screaming that he should be fired, while the entire outfit continued to stonewall.
I wonder if anyone has asked Attorney General designate Eric Holder what he thinks of this.
Fitzpatrick made a point yesterday of not tying the President-elect to this. In fact, it looks as if Guv Blago made Obama’s campaign yet another high value target, in his continual pay for play, extortion rackets.
There are some who claim that all of this was just talk, and that nothing really happened. This is of course what could be called the Richard Nixon excuse.
When someone is caught planning a deed before it has happened (murder for example) you can be an accessory Before The Fact. If this indictment is true, Blagojevich was trying to squeeze as much juice as possible, from Barack Obama’s Senate seat.

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By Libarchist, December 10, 2008 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

AP: Blagojevich Investigation Leads to Obama
December 10, 2008

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There were signs the continuing investigation could still involve Obama.

It appears that Obama friend Valerie Jarrett, an incoming senior White House adviser, is the person referred to repeatedly in court documents as “Candidate 1.” That individual is described as a woman who is “an adviser to the president-elect” and as the person Obama wanted appointed to the Senate seat. Court papers say that Candidate 1 eventually removed herself from consideration for the Senate seat.

Blagojevich talked at length about Candidate 1 in a Nov. 11 phone conversation with an aide.

http://tinyurl.com/64gcsd

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By Ted Buila, December 9, 2008 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

Re thebeerdoctor’s summary: thanks for the walk through.

As for Fitzgerald he’d best mind what he says before the Grand Jury is picked/seated. He (should) know better.  Alas 45 months and $2.5 mil later the Scooter pretty much beat the Fitzgerald parking meter. Memory matters.

Blagojevich has not had the best press…and it’s getting nastier if tonight’s TV/blogs are any measure. As arrogant/cocky/full of himself he’s bush league compared to the suits in WDC…

Most people are not into zeros.  $500,000 is even maybe to many.  The public will have to settle for Illinois/Blago. It’ll all the blood the public will see that is unless it’s Biden who puts his hand on the Good Book.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 9, 2008 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

The indictment of Governor Blagojevich reveals the unctuous nature of Illinois politics that the President-elect has for so long, been able to keep hidden. The indictment reveals that Blago was strong arming everyone from the Tribune Company to Mercy Hospital to the President-elect (whom he affectionately refers to as the “motherfucker”).
Anyone who thinks that the actual indictments are part of a GOP plot (no matter how much hay the so-called media makes of this) obviously has not looked at the actual indictment, where FBI special agent Daniel W. Cain states the case of greed and extortion, from evidence obtained lawfully, through court authorized wire taps, signed by Chief Judge James F Holderman, on October 21,2008, and and subsequently approved again in November. As stated on page 7 of the indictment: “Rod Blagojevich was accelerating his corrupt fund raising activities to accumulate as much money as possible before the implementation of ethics legislation of January 1, 2009.”
This is very ugly folks. Political gangster work at its worst. GOP political heavy hitters such as Joseph Cari, Stuart Levine, and William Cellini saw fit to ingratiate themselves with Governor Blagojevich, the first democratic governor in over twenty years.
Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald refers to the evidence as staggering. He is not exaggerating. The man who indicted Scooter Libby knows what political corruption smells like.

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By SlimTim, December 9, 2008 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
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Hmmm…Shocking. Yet another example of how the line between public and private interest has been perverted to the point of extinction in America. I care no longer, for the majority of it’s citizenry could give two fecal clumps about it, due to a similar perversion of political attentiveness.

Wallow in it my friends…he’s a dime a dozen

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By CJ, December 9, 2008 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

“Hot Rod,” huh. Okay. This news on the same day Leno announced his—along with NBC execs’—plan for the future. I say let Leno go to hire Hot Rod to do yet more weeknight political shtick.

Media’s been on Hot Rod’s arrest like a wet t-shirt on… something else. Such that one might be getting the idea that this is the ONE and ONLY time a politician has ever been caught up in corruption scandal! As we know, rather have been instructed (despite cute comedy), corruption is non-existent in America, home only to morally upright true-blue, and red and white.

Lately, at least, since it is admitted that there USED to be serious corruption. (Ask Pelosi.) Back then. Occasionally even now accusations are tossed around, but not too seriously. Enough to lend the appearance that there really are watchdogs.

Hot Rod epitomizes our political system, and so I say give him a network TV show, just for so blatantly assisting in exposing the system for what it really is—rotten to its core.

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Breaking: Barack Obama Met With Illinois Governor About Senate Successor
Dec. 09, 2008
AOL News

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At a news conference today, President-elect Barack Obama said that he had no contact with disgraced Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich (D-IL) or anyone on the governor’s staff about potential replacements for Obama in the United States Senate.

But that statement directly contradicts Obama’s top political strategist, David Axelrod, who told a local Chicago television reporter less than two weeks ago that Obama did have a conversation with Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy.

“I know [Obama has] talked to the governor, and there are a whole range of names, many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.”

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/09/barack-obama-met-with-illinois-governor-about-senate-successor/

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By samosamo, December 9, 2008 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

By Libarchist, December 9 at 5:38 pm

Which is exactly why I used that key word ‘unfortunately’.


By Folktruther, December 9 at 6:06 pm

Fortunately I considered myself very independent and have more than the average share of distrust for most republicans AND democrats, of whom pelosi to be one of the worse of the worst. So, it doesn’t matter to me about party affilliation as to who is caught using their elected position for personal, economic or political gain at most likely the expense of me and the rest of americans. So in case I did not get the point across, the media is at the LEAST as corrupted as congress or most politicans and the culpability in this is just as great and any right wing witch hunt that this may be a part of but Rod Blagojevich will get his day in court. But the media is so guilty of malfeasance of their public duties that Rod Blagojevich is lucky because how many of the citizens of this country would be afforded a day in court with the current administration’s attempts to prevent discovery of their crimes as a preventive measure of discovery?
And unfortunately it may take the total collapse of america just to wake enough people up to the disservice of our media and the corruption it supports. The media’s criminal use of controling people’s thoughts, ideas and information in which to make all those decisions to live in a democracy, which a lot of people are waking up to the fact, that that is very very serious stuff. In short, until this issue of the conservative ownership of the media monopolies is resolved and corrected with the reinstatement of the fairness doctrine of opposing view points being expressed on all msm venues, nothing will be accomplished and we can write this democracy off right now.

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By Folktruther, December 9, 2008 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

I see that the progresssive movement has a long way to go.  No one apparently has read the indictment except Maani, so all we know is that he was spied on secretly by the FBI, indicted by a Bushite legal system, and pillared in a right wing mass media.  And yet TD truthers are assuming that he is more corrupt than other elected officals.

Who are all corrupt of course; the whole power system is corrupt.  But did they pick on this guy to embarrass Obama or for legitimate purposes, or for some other reason.  We don’t know.  But a number of prominant Dem leaders have been targeted by the Bushites for obvious political reasons.  I am not a Dem enthusiast, God knows, but the details should be better known before he is assumed to be a felon.

The American theory, after all, is that everyone is innocent until….. accused in the media?  Do we really have that much faith in the media and the B
Bushite prosecuters and the police?  Apparently so.

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

samosamo,

Unfortunately it will have to go through our government, meaning congress and the FCC, for change to happen.

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Congress is more corrupt then Blagojevich.


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Military-Industrial/Congressional- Complex

The Missing “C”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuwtG9dL-CM

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NOW
Transcript: Bill Moyers Interviews Chuck Spinney
11.1.02

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SPINNEY: It’s in the defense contractors’ best interest to keep the money flowing. Because it’s the military industrial Congressional complex and this is their way of life. They live on the money flow.

MOYERS: The military industrial Congressional complex?

SPINNEY: Right. Which I believe was a term that Eisenhower considered using in his speech, but he dropped the reference to Congress.

MOYERS: He talked about the military industrial complex. But you say Congress is the driving force here?

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_spinney.html

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By Big B, December 9, 2008 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

Imagine, if you will, a sleazy polititian from Illinois. Oh wait, we don’t have to, we have the entire Daley family and all of there scumbag operatives as gross examples of a political system gone awry. Now we have this meathead(nice hair by the way) reminding us that corruption knows no party, and no bounds.

Jebus! It makes you long for the days of Larry Craig playing footsy in the mens room.

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By Maani, December 9, 2008 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

Libarchist:

“This whole story in itself is sad, because the MSM is in theory supposed to uncover government and corporate corruption…Maybe, if we had a real media, then the politicians would be more accountable to us, and they would not be as bold as Blagojevich was.”

You are correct: in the days of the Woodwards and Bernsteins, the MSM (or at least some individuals therein) would have been all over this.  But don’t get me wrong; I have no particular love for most of the MSM - though I am also finding that I have less love for much of the AM than I used to have.

The “fourth estate” was sold to the corporations long ago, and there is precious little real, investigative journalism being done by them.  Still, there ARE some individuals who still “care,” and it is worth ferreting them out.

Peace.

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By samosamo, December 9, 2008 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

This may already be out there but just to make sure…

By Libarchist, December 9 at 3:40 pm

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This whole story in itself is sad, because the MSM is in theory supposed to uncover government and corporate corruption (there was a time, not in my lifetime, that the MSM would be all over this)—I read about a few reporters like I.F. Stone, but , he was before my time.

Maybe, if we had a real media; then the politicians—would be more accountable to us, and they would not be as bold as Blagojevich was
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There are more and more people beginning to realize this descrepency with the media and hopefully, ME FOR DAMN SURE, that somehow we will get an MSM that will do investigative reporting in spite of the attempts by people like rupert murdock, jack welch and the other conservative gate keepers of truth to disinform or not inform the people, are stripped of their monopoly on our sources of information. Unfortunately it will have to go through our government, meaning congress and the FCC, for change to happen. The sooner is happens the better for our country and the world; this should be considered a very high priority in the next administration as a functioning democracy cannot work without the media watch dog group scrutinizing the people in power and the those that want positions of power. Try to find some of bernie sanders thoughts on this, better yet go to INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE and click on ‘Orwell Rolls in His Grave’ in the left hand column for a free viewing of that most excellent documentary about the demise and the current state of our MSM that shows not just imcompetence but criminal behavior in the control of information to the people.

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By samosamo, December 9, 2008 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

By Libarchist, December 9 at 3:40 pm

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This whole story in itself is sad, because the MSM is in theory supposed to uncover government and corporate corruption (there was a time, not in my lifetime, that the MSM would be all over this)—I read about a few reporters like I.F. Stone, but , he was before my time.

Maybe, if we had a real media; then the politicians—would be more accountable to us, and they would not be as bold as Blagojevich was
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There are more and more people beginning to realize this descrepency with the media and hopefully, ME FOR DAMN SURE, that somehow we will get an MSM that will do investigative reporting in spite of the attempts by people like rupert murdock, jack welch and the other conservative gate keepers of truth to disinform or not inform the people, are stripped of their monopoly on our sources of information. Unfortunately it will have to go through our government, meaning congress and the FCC, for change to happen. The sooner is happens the better for our country and the world; this should be considered a very high priority in the next administration as a functioning democracy cannot work without the media watch dog group scrutinizing the people in power and the those that want positions of power. Try to find some of bernie sanders thoughts on this, better yet go to INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE and click on ‘Orwell Rolls in His Grave’ in the left hand column for a free viewing of that most excellent documentary about the demise and the current state of our MSM that shows not just imcompetence but criminal behavior in the control of information to the people.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 9, 2008 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

Correction!
Sorry! In my post below, the word “prosecutor” was wrongly written as “persecuter”.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 9, 2008 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Another sad reminder that office seekers in our sad country seek offices for power and money and not for serving the nation!

However, the sadder part of our situation is that once in a while one unscrupulous politician is caught in the act by one overzealous persecuter! But one flower does not make a spring!

The disturbing question is: how many rack havoc on their constituents and the nation without being caught and without being brought to justice?!

Evil Bush and his cohorts come to mind! They have already made his portrait to glorify him, to be hanged in that-house-of-shame he made of the White House! Instead of hanging a portrait of him, he should be physically hanged up for his crimes against humanity!

America! If you need to prove that you have any sense of justice, then go after the big criminals; the ones who have so much innocent blood on their hands!

America! Learn a lesson from tiny Greece, the birthplace of democracy, where her youth over the life of one young man killed wrongly by the police are working to bring down their government as I write! I pray and hope that they will succeed! But even if they succeed, that does not stop my being sad and disturbed over the sad state of affairs in my adopted homeland that I was hoping when I die to leave it a better place than when fate brought me into it!

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

By Maani, D

Forget what the media says, wehther MSM or AM.  Read the indictment for yourself, and make an INFORMED judgment was to whether Obama or anyone on his team has anything to worry about.

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This whole story in itself is sad, because the MSM is in theory supposed to uncover government and corporate corruption (there was a time, not in my lifetime, that the MSM would be all over this)—I read about a few reporters like I.F. Stone, but , he was before my time.

Maybe,  if we had a real media; then the politicians—would be more accountable to us, and they would not be as bold as Blagojevich was.

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By Maani, December 9, 2008 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

baconbits:

“I am a little upset at MSM about this. There were a few rumblings a while back about the depth of corruption but we never got the full story I think. Did we just put a highly corruptable president in office?  He has shady dealings himself.”

Before you accept the paranoid rumblings of many TDers, it is important to understand this situation in context.

Thes investigation of Blagojevich is an outgrowth of the original investigation into Tony Rezko, and HIS illegal dealings.  As you know, Rezko was indicted, but there was NO connection made between Rezko and Obama with respect to anything for which Rezko was indicted; i.e., even though Rezko had every reason and opportunity to pull Obama into the investigation, he did not, and, in fact, he made numerous statements to the contrary.

It was during the Rezko investigation that Blagojevich’s name came up with respect to possible corruption.  THAT was the impetus for the investigation that led to his indictment.  And as I stated (being the only person here thus far who has actually READ the entire indictment), the indictment does NOT connect Obama to anything for which Blagojevich was indicted, and even if the language of the indictment can be read to suggest that members of Obama’s “team” knew about Blagojevich’s machinations, it suggests equally strongly that those people would have none of it, and saw the entire thing as a form of blackmail.

Forget what the media says, wehther MSM or AM.  Read the indictment for yourself, and make an INFORMED judgment was to whether Obama or anyone on his team has anything to worry about.

Peace.

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By samosamo, December 9, 2008 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

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By baconbits, December 9 at 1:28 pm #
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wow!!!

I am a little upset at MSM about this. There were a few rumblings a while back about the depth of corruption but we never got the full story I think.

Did we just put a highly corruptable president in office? He has shady dealings himself…

What else is under the rug?

Very sad.

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But baconbits, this is what the conservative control of the media is all about, to hid political corruption that benefits the higher up puppet masters. To me it proves the undistinguishment of a democrat and a republican as this being a perk of the ‘political elite’. The exact kind of news the even the ‘economic elite’ don’t want to get out. Research it enough and you will find that the power/economic elite want control of the MONEY and the MEDIA. And that brings the question, at least for me, how did this slip through other than being a governor and a democrat. But it sure is embrassing for the corrupt political system we are forced to endure and should be a point of investigations that most suredly will turn up more of the same. Lastly, it seems to be a turn for the good of the country if more of this corruption is revealed and exposed.

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

By Maani, December 9 at 2:06 pm #

Libarchist:

Thank you for providing some clarification.  That reflects more accurately with the language of the actual indictment.

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By Blackspeare, December 9, 2008 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

The question to be asked is not about Blagojevich, but rather about how many other governors conspired to profit from a senatorial appointment!

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By Maani, December 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Libarchist:

Thank you for providing some clarification.  That reflects more accurately with the language of the actual indictment.

Peace.

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Will the Blagojevich Scandal Ensnare the President-Elect?
TIME
Dec. 09, 2008

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What does all this scheming amount to? For Obama’s transition, a large headache. It is not clear how close Blagojevich got to the transition, or how high up the chain of command his solicitations went.

But in coming days the campaign will have to address whether Blagojevich or any of his representatives actually contacted an Obama adviser on the matter, and whether the SEIU official did propose funding the 501(c)(4) in exchange for naming “Senate Candidate 1” to replace Obama.

For the time being, Obama and his aides have declined to comment on the complaint. Asked about the matter at a photo op Tuesday afternoon, Obama himself said he was “saddened and sobered” by the news but that he had not been in contact with Blagojevich and was “not aware of what was happening”.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1865370,00.html

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By Maani, December 9, 2008 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

“Blagojevich Arrest Shakes Obama Presidency to Its Core” (MarketWatch Dec. 9, 2008) “This is a burgeoning crisis for Obama that should shake his presidency to its core.  The criminal complaint filed today indicates that Obama and his team knew about Blagojevich’s efforts to sell Obama’s Senate seat.”

This is a bunch of baloney.  I would bet that NONE of you has actually read the indictment.  I have.  All 78 pages.  And MarketWatch is “spinning” this exactly the OPPOSITE of what the indictment actually says and/or implies.

In fact, even if the indictment could be read in such a way that members of Obama’s “team” knew about Blagojevich’s machinations (it is simply not clear enough from the language of the indictment), it is equally clear that Blagojevich was attempting to “blackmail” Obama, and his team was having none of it.  That is, even if they DID know, they were smart enough NOT to participate in any way.

At no point does the indictment extend liablility (much less criminal intent) to anyone on Obama’s team, much less Obama himself.

I love watching TDers debate things that they don’t even bother reading.  The indictment is easily available online.

Peace.

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By baconbits, December 9, 2008 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment
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wow!!!

I am a little upset at MSM about this. There were a few rumblings a while back about the depth of corruption but we never got the full story I think.

Did we just put a highly corruptable president in office? He has shady dealings himself…

What else is under the rug?

Very sad.

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By Sue Cook, December 9, 2008 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

It’s why most people don’t vote.

Money and power, two huge evils that if not handled responsibly can and will have the effect on what you see is happening in the political, executive, music, hollywood, and sports worlds.

These people are in a whole different hemisphere than where us mere mortals (lower eschelon) are.

It’s unreal, and quite the joke!

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

Blagojevich Arrest Shakes Obama Presidency to Its Core
MarketWatch
Dec. 9, 2008

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http://tinyurl.com/6mrpcj

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By samosamo, December 9, 2008 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Wow, another ‘politican’ arrested. Seems to be a good year for it. Hope next year is better. Let me see now. In the past week the mayor of birmingham alabama was arrested on what I think are bribery charges along with his favorite and obliging big business friends and now the governor of illinois for trying to ‘auction’ obama’s vacant seat.
Need we hope that a pressident and/or vice president will be next?

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

Blagojevich Arrest Shakes Obama Presidency to Its Core
MarketWatch
Dec. 9, 2008

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“This is a burgeoning crisis for Obama that should shake his presidency to its core.

“The criminal complaint filed today indicates that Obama and his team knew about Blagojevich’s efforts to sell Obama’s Senate seat….

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Judicial-Watch-Statement-Blagojevich-Arrest/story.aspx?guid={F38C10F2-D608-490C-9342-BC34F03AE0CC}

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By Ted Buila, December 9, 2008 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

Add another Chicago name: Emanuel. From one perspective the story adds up to #1 cheap media news/theater and #2 a very “convenient” diversion from $$ Wall Street Bailouts, Jobs/Home Foreclosures, Wars, Oil Speculation, Drug Trade, Pension Frauds….you populate the list.

I’m not for one moment suggesting that B O & E are squeaky clean. Not for a moment.  Just check every once in a while to feel if your nuts are still there while you watch the evening news tonight.

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By Jim Yell, December 9, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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Execute him. But don’t forget the years of no bid contracts to people who poisoned our troops, involved our troops in activities that do not protect the nation. If we are going to clean up this type of political crap lets not stop with one outrageous govenor.

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By Ted Buila, December 9, 2008 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

The country doesn’t need “it”—Blago’s or Obama’s sticky fingers news—but it’s a thought.  Nor does the country need “news” that the RNC or any of it’s corporate contributors is behind false B or O charges.

Rest assured that O’Reilly, Colbert, Stewart will have fun.

Perhaps as important is a double whammy like 4th Q visa/amex/mc’s write-offs as awful as some predict + another 500k of job losses…the country doesn’t need that either.

So it goes….ted

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By Folktruther, December 9, 2008 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Trade one appointment for others? Obtain financial benefits?  My God!  Suspened business with Bank of America? Right here in the USA?  My God! This Dem govenor sounds as corrupt as the the Dem ex-governor of Georgia that they put in prison without giving him a chance to appeal.

It’s no wonder they wiretapped his phone and bugged his house.  And no wonder these acts were so disgusting that the FBI agents could hardly stand it, squemish as they are.  Luckily we have the Bushite legal system to defend us and clean up corruption.  And Obama to countennce spying on the American people.

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By John Lowell, December 9, 2008 at 10:31 am Link to this comment
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mud,

I thought there might be a connection with the Bank America/windows factory business also, but probably not. This species of slug isn’t smart enough to make those kinds of connections. The right question to ask in this case is how many Blagojeviches does it take to change a light blub?

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By Libarchist, December 9, 2008 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

Blagojevich is the tip of the iceberg

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By Maani, December 9, 2008 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

You’ll pardon me for generalizing, but this is typical Chicago political gangsterism.  Just because his name doesn’t end in a vowel (LOL) doesn’t mean he isn’t engaging in the same sort of behavior that has marked Chicago since the days of Al Capone.

Peace.

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By mud, December 9, 2008 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

The news comes just one day after the Governor announced that he is suspending all business with Bank of America.

http://tinyurl.com/648jzo

Bank of America has received $15 billion from the U.S. Treasury as part of its effort to boost capital, while Merrill Lynch & Co. is receiving $10 billion. Bank of America is buying the world’s largest securities brokerage in a transaction likely to be completed later this month.

http://tinyurl.com/64dtfc

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By mud, December 9, 2008 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Rod must have been stepping on the toes of the real mob bosses. If Bush runs free, so should he.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 9, 2008 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

From what I gather, much of the evidence was gathered from court-authorized wiretaps of the Illinois Governor’s telephone. And of course, money, or the need for more, was certainly involved.

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