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Maryland Police Keep You Safe From Terrorist Nuns

Posted on Dec 7, 2008
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Drop it, sister!

How did two nuns end up on a list of terrorists? Blame a now-defunct investigation by the Maryland State Police, who sent undercover troopers to spy on political groups and identify supposed terrorists, among them pacifists, environmentalists, a congressional candidate and those two feisty nuns.

Update: Marc Korman, a Maryland native and state Democratic Party official, gave us this background on the story: “Under the previous governor, a Republican named Bob Ehrlich, and [the previous] state police superintendent, there was infiltration and spying on protest groups that were anti-war, anti-death penalty, and anti-global warming. There was no suspicion of these groups, so it is not clear why this was occurring. The practice ended when the new governor came in but was not exposed until much later. There is a continuing fight on two issues:
“1. Whether to write into law that there needs to be suspicion before spying like this. The police say we don’t do it anymore, the legislators say we don’t want you to do it again so we’re going to legislate it.
“2. Whether those who were spied on can keep and publish copies of their records before they are expunged, which the police are doing.”

Los Angeles Times:

Maryland officials now concede that, based on information gathered by “Lucy” and others, state police wrongly listed at least 53 Americans as terrorists in a criminal intelligence database—and shared some information about them with half a dozen state and federal agencies, including the National Security Agency.

Among those labeled as terrorists: two Catholic nuns, a former Democratic congressional candidate, a lifelong pacifist and a registered lobbyist. One suspect’s file warned that she was “involved in puppet making and allows anarchists to utilize her property for meetings.”

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By godistwaddle, December 9, 2008 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Robbers, rapists, pedophiles, and gangsters sounds like the hierarcy of most religions, eh?

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By hippy pam, December 9, 2008 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

I said it in the 60s….I will reiterate now…There are ROBBERS-RAPISTS-PEDOPHILES-GANGSTERS-out there!And they NEED TO BE CAUGHT…But the Cops are SCARED OF “bad guys”....NUNS ARE A SAFE HARRASSMENT….Unlike someone who MAY/PROBABLY shoot back if the cops[cowards] mess with them…..The folks at RUBY RIDGE just wanted to be left alone.The gubmint got their underwear in a knot and went in with guns blazing.Another case of MISTAKEN HARRASSMENT ending in the DEATH of INNOCENTS…

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By Little Brother, December 8, 2008 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

I read a comment recently on another site complaining, with some truth, that the label “terrorist” has been done to death, so to speak.

But this standard practice of the authoritarian security state is exactly that—low-level terrorism designed to keep citizens in a permanent state of uneasiness and fear of openly expressing dissent.

“Fahrenheit 9/11” included one of a vast number of reports of government agencies—local, state, and federal—snooping on and hassling the most innocuous, harmless activists one can imagine. But it’s a tactic that has been practiced for over a century in the Land of the Free.

It’s almost comical because of the arrant absurdity and ludicrousness of the officious, bumptious actions and rationalizations of the perpetrators. But there’s nothing funny about state security services, or vigilante volunteers, intentionally threatening and intimidating those who express perfectly legal and legitimate disagreement with government policy with the prospect of being classified as Enemies of the State.

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By purplewolf, December 8, 2008 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

Scared, if you were not in the list before, you can bet you are now, as probably all of us who comment on this post.

And don’t forget the Cat Stevens fiasco a while back. Here the writer/singer of Peace Train, Where do the Children Play and Morning Has Broken, who when diagnosed with a devastating disease, turned to the Muslim religion, married and had a family, being listed on these terrorists lists also.

If Margaret Sanger were alive today, she would be on that list also. Along with any other assertive women past, present and future, promoting a better lifestyle for women and children. Yes, those types are certainly threats, only in the eyes of morons.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 8, 2008 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

By cyrena, December 8 at 5:38 am #

Namer asks Fadel:
Thank you cyrena for giving this Namer character a piece of your mind!

I don’t know if you have noticed that this Namer never bothers to comment on any of the many and diverse issues raised at Truthdig’s threads. He/she has been assigned to watch for and response to the undesirables who remind people about the evils of Zionism and Fascism.

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By scared, December 8, 2008 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

By Rusty Scalf, December 8 at 10:15 am #
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This case blew open because of a public information request by the Maryland ACLU. Too bad they’re not given credit here.

True, I read about this months ago on ACLU MD’s site.  Democracy Now! also interviewed a couple of people on the watch lists at some point.

I’m really disgusted by this, as a Baltimore resident myself, but nothing surprises me anymore.  Maybe I’m on a list too from that time I used my credit card to buy my girlfriend a copy of “A People’s History of the USA” at Red Emma’s worker owned cooperative LOL.  Beware of those anti-war, anti-death penalty, anti-torture, anarchist, *insert bogeyman*, socialist, progressive, clean energy promoting, pro-choice peoples!  They are MYSTERIOUS!

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By Folktruther, December 8, 2008 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

The War On Terrorism is intended precisely against Terrorists like these two nuns, anti-war activists, enviormentalists, etc.  And the Terrorist list against flying on airplanes which now includes more than a million people, including Senator Kennedy.  It will get worse under Obama, as it would under any president implementing the endless Terroist War.

Anarcissie, that is a valuable asset you almost have, dual citizenship of the Aulde Sode.  We were in Dublin this summer, where I always wanted to go because of all the writers.  Unfortunately it was much like America, which is perhaps why the writers left Ireland for Europe.

Noone spoke in stage Irish accents, or wore unusial clothes or, as far as I could tell, thought unusual thoughts.  The post office where the 1916 uprising was centered looked like… well, a post office. 

But it is a good place to be if martial law is declared in the US and Britain. 

There is a famous university there, Trinty, and the famous Abbey theatre, which, unfortunately, look much like any other university and theater.  The Guiness is creamy and I like mine bitter.  It turns out that Irish coffee is an American concoction and they don’t know how to make it very well.

Still, they are fiecely nationalistic and might be able to resist sending Terrorists back to the US or Britain on demand.

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By Rusty Scalf, December 8, 2008 at 10:15 am Link to this comment
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This case blew open because of a public information request by the Maryland ACLU. Too bad they’re not given credit here.

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By Anarcissie, December 8, 2008 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

cyrena—What about the FOIA?  Of course, that reminds me of a cartoon where two secret-police bureaucrats are conversing in the office and one says, “This guy is requesting a copy of his dossier under the FOIA, but we don’t have one on him.”  The other snarls, “Well, start one!”

Dual citizenship is now possible for people besides Israelis.  (Equal protection of the laws.)  If I could prove my grandfather came from Ireland I’d have an Irish passport right now, and I’d be visitin’ the Old Sod often enough to keep it warm, too.  After all, one reasonable way of looking at North America is as one of the western counties.

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By cyrena, December 8, 2008 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Namer asks Fadel:

“And why the ad hominem attacks? Why inject your hatred of the Jewish nation’s self-determination and right to live as a sovereign people in their homeland (by definition Zionism) into your comments? Very strange…........”

AND, that came immediately after accusing Fadel of this:

“...Why do you inject the idea that Maryland is somehow “occupied territory” into an issue that has nothing to do with who is a native and who isn’t?”

So MY question is, where does Fadel allegedly ‘inject his hatred of the Jewish Nation’s right to self-determination’ (the right to massacre anyone that may have been occupying the space they determined to take over, - by definition) into the comments, (he doesn’t, I’ve already re-read the comment) and what does that have to do with allegedly terrorizing nuns in Maryland?

Guess you’re both off topic, but at least Fadel has legitimate reason to want to check the now greatly expanded lists maintained by the Current Gangster Cabal. For whatever the reason, dual citizen Zionists don’t seem to appear on any of those lists and never have.

Anti-war, anti-imperialists, environmentalists, anti-corporatists,Muslim charities, and the subject of the article..these nuns…are all on the list of suspects to be spied upon, and/or interrogated and harassed. But for whatever the reasons, (you tell us)dual citizen Zionists (think Scooter Libby) seem to never show up on any of these lists. AND, when they’re caught red handed committing treason, or just behaving like the Zionists they are in the USA, (Which by the way is NOT a Jewish Homeland)and putting our nation in jeopardy by outing a CIA agent, the equally treasonous president just neutralizes the law of the land and dismisses his punishment. (after all of the other Zionists like Dershowitz, the “legalize torture guy” bombarded the court with briefs for why Scooter shouldn’t serve his sentence, not to mention those threats to the judge’s family.)

So, should the rest of us just get a dual-citizenship too? Then we can just do whatever the hell we want here, with the same impunity as the rest of the dual citizenship Zionists do.

Just kidding. We already know that only Jews can apply, and only Zionists would. The majority of American Jews accept the same “one citizenship at a time” rules that the rest of us are bound by law to live with, and they’re OK with just being Americans.

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By namer, December 8, 2008 at 4:29 am Link to this comment


“And you wonder why everything is going wrong with this country of the natives, now ours, that was once the hope and inspiration for seekers of education, freedom and a room to breath away from their original tortured and occupied homelands! “

Why do you inject the idea that Maryland is somehow “occupied territory” into an issue that has nothing to do with who is a native and who isn’t? If it pains you so much that most residents of your state (themselves natives for the most part) are descendants of people who came from a place other than Maryland, how, then, do you justify your alien presence?

And why the ad hominem attacks? Why inject your hatred of the Jewish nation’s self-determination and right to live as a sovereign people in their homeland (by definition Zionism) into your comments?

Very strange…........

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By cyrena, December 7, 2008 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Greetings Fadel…

I wish I could help you with getting your hands on those lists. I know I’m on several myself. Anti-war, anti-Imperialist, anti-death penalty, and I’ve been known to consort with the Catholic Workers and others of their ilk. Hell, for all I know, there could be a bounty on my butt. (depending on the reward, that might be flattering). smile

But, I still don’t know how to get my hands on any of these lists.

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By purplewolf, December 7, 2008 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

In fact, instead of this government hiring these spies. It would be much more economical to ask those they want to spy on what the want to know and pay them accordingly. What they are paying for now is heresy/gossip and subject to the views of the person spying in many instances, rather that actual reality. After all, some of the Bush gang seem to think we have been living the series “24” with the whole world its stage. This was exposed on Realtime with Bill Maher a few years back, when one of the Bush group was going on about the Iraq situation and finally Bill had to tell him he cannot compare our actions as being the same as the TV series, that the TV series was not real life, it’s only television, so how could you compare the two as the same. But that is the problem with the Bush gang, they have been living in a fantasy world their entire lives. 

The following is an example.

        Pay Rates for Information

questions….............................$10.00 each*
questions that require thought…........$25.00 each*
questions with truthful answers….......$50.00 each*
dumb looks are still free.

* indicates these are subject to change due to inflation or your current mood.

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By purplewolf, December 7, 2008 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

Once you are in the government computer,known mistakes are never, and I do mean never corrected. This spy, a young 20 something who infiltrated these groups and sent encouraging emails-sounds like entrapment to me, probably does not have enough life experience to judge these people correctly. It seems she has embellished the facts to make her look like she is going an excellent job as robo-spy.

The current government-if it were just one person rather than what we have today, would be diagnosed as a having a schizophrenic, paranoid delusionsal, deranged behaviors personality disorder and put on the appropriate medications. Instead we have people running things seeing bogey men under every bed, monsters in every closet, everyone is out to hurt you agenda, thus this government has created this mess in its fear mongering tirade of the Bush administration. Instead of actually following the “bad guys”, as most of them are friends of this administration, they have to fabricate, lie and invent non existent terrorists to try to legitimize this insane folly by accusing non-threatening people to justify their madness.

It’s time for the designer straitjackets.

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By skulz fontaine, December 7, 2008 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Dang “terrorist” nuns anyway. Haven’t been able to trust those darn Catholics since oh say, Tomas de Torquemada. Or since John Yoo. Whichever came first.

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By samosamo, December 7, 2008 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Verified evidence that the so called anti-terrorist laws hurriedly passed in a trumped up state of fear are being used to spy and track people for their ideas that don’t go hand in hand with the current administration. Also, this is a definite point that the president-elect better do something to prevent the continuence of such tactics, such as push for repeal of those laws that allow free handed spying on people that don’t fit in with the agendas of the neocons. Yoo and Viet Dehn are 2 people that come to mind when considering those that created these illegal laws, true traitors to the United States of America whether they are citizens or not.
This is what I came up with when I googled John Yoo and Viet Dehn:

The article or post is listed as not available at AP anymore but those 2 crminal clowns are very responsible for their creation of laws to harrass and intimidate United States citizens.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 7, 2008 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

If this fear-mongering culture created by the neocons-fascist mentality did no spare those two nuns with head to toe modest clothes, imagined what would have been the situation with Muslim women observing the Hijab, and on top of that having a name such Ayesha, Khadijah or Zaynab?

Since I myself have declared myself a pacifist and have written unconventional, non-politically correct pieces under my real name for many years, I must have topped the list of terrorists, especially with a name like Fadel Abdallah and with so many enemies and haters from among the Fascists and Zionists! I am deadly curious to get my hands on one such list of terrorists, especially that I am now a resident of Maryland where this piece of information comes from.

And you wonder why everything is going wrong with this country of the natives, now ours, that was once the hope and inspiration for seekers of education, freedom and a room to breath away from their original tortured and occupied homelands!

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