By PapaWhale, November 29 at 5:33 am

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It’s no surprise to me that this milktoast version of an Anti-war group approves, they are more a an anti-nuke lobbying group.
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Your key word here and it encompasses everything on the polity and that is LOBBYING. Very little have I seen from our president elect about the lobbyist and their criminal behavior. If this group is not reigned in and regulated to hell and back with very strict oversight and tranparency and accountability then everything is for naught. Better yet, totally outlaw lobbyist by federal law at all levels of government, local,state&federal;. They have gone way past the point of bringing real problems to our governments to the point of absolutely attempting and getting special legislation and money for a person’s or corporation’s own political and financial gain at the expense of the people and the democracy of our republic.
And as far as the pact with iraq goes, how else would anyone think of 2012 being the ‘perfect’ year to hopefully pull out? The next presidential election. So yeah, plenty of time for plots and schemes to be made and attacks made to keep us there for their safety(HA) and our profit. Believe me, the neocon think tanks are running overtime right now working through these problems. Not to mention regaining the white house and congress. War is war wherever and however it is fought.

I agree with lichen. I too have never heard of this group and they certainly do look quite middle of the road/right. Dennis Kucinich has had the best plan, for years. When are we going to wake up to reality? No matter which major party holds the White House and Congress, we shall continue in our war mongering as that is what the Military Industrial Congressional Complex needs in order to continue getting richer and richer…We need to exit promptly and to he** with all the MCDonalds and other stores that we will leave behind!

The Dem-Gobs somehow destroyed the anti-war organizations, partially I suppose by coopting hteir leaders.

No, you cannot forever blame the failures of the far left on all your usual boogeymen. Did it ever occur to you that the collapse of what you call the anti-war movement might be attributed to a message so unpalateable to the majority that it has been ignored as a sideshow?

The issue remains: going forward, will the people of Iraq benefit with an immediate withdrawal of American forces?

And the reasoned and informed answer to that is no. To dwell on the past at this point is pointlessly indulgent and futile.

This Council for a Livable World is choosing the least-worst option, and for that I commend them.

Well, here it is in your face again, now the plan have pushed back the US withdrawal by 2012. Everytime it seems like I see a ‘new’ plan for getting out, it seems it will take a little longer, and that doesn’t include all the other little tidbits that probably allows the corporate interests to never have to leave.
2012 is plenty of time to for some ‘attack’ to occur that will convince even the president elect to switch to a ‘gotta stay’ mentality.
Here’s the link to the new date, it does say and was voted on by the Iraqi parliment that all US troops will be out by January 1, 2012.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27941104/

I wonder also, if our economy collapses before then, would we have to get out sooner or actually ‘have’ to stay longer?

There is powerful reason for a full investigation and prosecution of the multiple high crimes and felonies emanating from the bush white house. Such would go far in restoring some level of trust in the government, which now has none.
I often wondered what would come next after the Iraq war, and then the economy collapsed. I hope there is nothing else before this appointed madman leaves office.
He should indeed be brought before the Hague and tried as the war criminal he is. He should also be fully prosecuted in the U.S. for the multiple laws broken, his crony appointments, the lies, the propaganda, the secret torture, etc.,etc., etc.
He CANT be allowed to return to his ranch and live the life of royalty, scot-free.
What an evil pile of shit he and his cronies are.

The Dem-Gobs somehow destroyed the anti-war organizations,  partially I suppose by coopting hteir leaders.  This is a shameless example of Responsible peace; namely, continuing war.

The pact is against Permanent American Bases in Iraq just as US policy is; US policy id for Enduring Bases.  Which it spent billions of dollars building.

Yeah, I’ve never heard of these people before—a bunch of old, elite, establishment people.  Who cares what they think; I disagree.  The best way to promptly leave Iraq is the plan put forth by people like Dennis Kucinich; LEAVE NOW, and pay reperations, jail bush/cheney/rice/powell/rumsefeld/bremmer….

This was probably the most invisible organization in the peace movement.  One hundred percent mainstream and dedicated to “responsible” politics, these folks had no presence in the anti-war movement and appear willing to sell out most of what the movement was about for the appearance of probity.  These are the sorts of outfits that keep the U.S.‘s disastrous foreign policy chugging along, failure after failure after bloody failure.