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Retired Military Leaders Denounce ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’

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Posted on Nov 18, 2008

One-hundred-and-four retired admirals and generals have signed a statement calling on the military to allow gay soldiers to serve openly. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” has lost support since the Clinton administration originally negotiated the compromise, but Barack Obama will likely avoid resurrecting one of his predecessor’s biggest headaches.

Obama has publicly opposed the policy, but said he would seek change through consensus rather than command.

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“As is the case with Great Britain, Israel, and other nations that allow gays and lesbians to serve openly, our service members are professionals who are able to work together effectively despite differences in race, gender, religion, and sexuality,” the officers wrote.

While Obama has expressed support for repeal, he said during the presidential campaign that he would not do so on his own — an indication that he would tread carefully to prevent the issue from becoming a drag on his agenda. Obama said he would instead work with military leaders to build consensus on removing the ban on openly gay service members.

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By Folktruther, November 19, 2008 at 2:10 pm #

I’m against allowing gays to serve in the military.  Also African-Americans, Chicanos, females and Whites.  I think the military should ban them all and we’d all be better off.

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By dihey, November 19, 2008 at 12:06 am #

When I compare the recent Obama retreat on this issue with President Truman’s decree that the armed forces must be integrated I know again what a leader is.

Rachel’s throws rapists, gays, and murderers together. Raping and murdering are crimes, being gay is not. If you do not understand the difference Rachel there is a real question about the sanity of your mind.

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By Rachel, November 18, 2008 at 8:00 pm #
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I think the military should have the final answer as who they want serving under them. If someone is a rapist, gay, murderer or what have you boot them out if the military doesn’t want them…out they go. Everyone should take a psycological test before entering. We’re giving everyone lethal weapons and turning them loose.Also some of these are career people. Our Tax money and the militarys responsibility.

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By boredwell, November 18, 2008 at 6:40 pm #

Oh, like it took them all this time to figure out gay people are the same as straight people! The mountain came to them most provocatively during Clinton’s admin. Now THEY’RE going to that mountain! I shouldn’t protest their change-of-heart too much, eh. The Brit intelligence service announced last week that they are actively recruiting gay men and women. Wuzzup with all dis?

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By mill, November 18, 2008 at 5:40 pm #

Sorry about the typo, Ms Molloy

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By mill, November 18, 2008 at 5:39 pm #

Ms. Malloy is a bit harsh on her critique of silence by military officers while on active duty

The military is not a free-speech organization, and for good reason.  When a superior orders someone to undertake a dangerous task, it is not time for a civil debate. 

Policy on military service is not decided by the officers or enlisted personnel - it is decided by We the People, and our elected representatives, notably the President, of course.

So keeping silent isn’t just a condition of “employment” in the military - it’s a core part of keeping discipline in the ranks.

I put the blame for the policy on We the People, who should know better than to discriminate against gay service personnel, and allowed our government to implement such a stupid, counterproductive policy.

I’m glad that Mr Obama is more open to open military service by gay personnel than previous presidents have been.  But the push for change must come from We the People, not military personnel.

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By xypher, November 18, 2008 at 4:30 pm #

We have constitutional bans against recognizing the legitimacy of gay relationships and yet gays and lesbians risk their lives for a country that sees them as aberrant and less that human.

America does not deserve their service until granted dignity and basic human respect.

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By Allan Krueger, November 18, 2008 at 1:55 pm #

Let gays join the military.

Let us not make this a defining problem of the beginning of the Obama era! Gays and lesbians should be able to get married, join the military - what is the big deal? The arguments against evolve from the religious nut-job crowd… If you want to have a relationship with the squirrel who lives in your backyard oak, go ahead, that is your business…

Live and let live - we have more pressing problems to address, than this recycled NeoCON bullshit!

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By Rosemary Molloy, November 18, 2008 at 1:54 pm #
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These lousy, late-coming heroes of openness and honesty!  They remind me of the “courageous” generals who waited to retire before they voiced opposition to the Iraqi war.  What a crock—NOW they stand up for gay rights when they can’t lose their ill-gotten salaries and pensions.

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By Purple Girl, November 18, 2008 at 1:02 pm #

come On now Who poses the most danger, the most devisiveness within a unit? How about all those guys who are Raping their fellow soldiers. Murdering them to hide their infidelity and criminality?
Frankly stop wasting our time, Money and Security on outing Gays, and start going after these Sociopathic Serial Rapist and murders in uniform.
Honestly I have to wonder why straight men are fearful of gays. Do they think it’s contagious? Or do they think they will be gang raped? Is there Fear related more towards their own twisted tendencies? Are they projecting their anitsocial behaviors on others to deflect from their own mental problems and violent impulses?
Why is it so easy for the military to kick a person out becasue they are Gay and yet are unable to discover and expel Rapists & Murders? Why does th emilitary go to such extents to ignore the evidence and even protect the perpetrators. Who’s being punished for the assault and kidnapping of that female soldier who they left in a Cargo Hold? Who’s been caught and prosecuted for the 2-3 murders which occurred off Base of Female personnel. How much effort has there been to identify them as opposed to the amount of funds used to Out any Gays?
there are military top Brass who should be prosecuted for aiding and Abetting violent offenders after the fact. Accomplices are just as guilty whether they participated in the crime or just covered it up afterwards- esp Murder!

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