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Posted on Nov 13, 2008
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Sightings of Hillary Clinton in Chicago on Thursday, coupled with reports from inside Barack Obama’s camp, added weight to the rumors that the president-elect is considering his former rival as a Cabinet member—secretary of state.


Chicago Sun-Times:

Clinton was seen taking a flight to Chicago Thursday, NBC reported, though that was reportedly for personal business, though it did not preclude the possibility of a meeting between Obama and Clinton, NBC reported.

The Obama campaign did not immediately return a request for comment on whose motorcade preceded Obama’s out of the underground garage beneath the Kluczynski Federal Building Thursday evening.

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By KDelphi, November 15, 2008 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Here is a report on PDA (Prog Dems of Am), and a meeting they had on nov 11-12, where they met with Reps. Conyers, Kucinich and others. They reject Sen. Baucus market based plan, and,l agree that only HR 676 or other singlepayer will solve our health care problems.

They do not say it PE Obam has commented.


http://pdamerica.org/articles/alliances/2008-11-15-13-11-21-alliances.php


I am just very glad to hear it.

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By KDelphi, November 15, 2008 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

lichen—I agree. I try to use DailyKos, but I find the site confusing. But my pc is old and small..I need to reinstall drivers right now(3rd time this week!!)

There is a word for hating your (sometimes) allies, more than you hate your “enemies”. I cant think of the word.

ExCDers gather at OpenOceans, CommonDebate (samonsworld.blogspot.com)and, here. I have seen a couple others. It is ridiculous.

Obama Team just announced that Greg Craig will be WH Counsel—the guy who defended Clinton on impeachment charges.

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By lichen, November 15, 2008 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

I really hope that hr676 will pass someday, by the way, but I think the Massachusetts type of plan (that both Obama and Clinton embraced to some extent) will only turn people further away from medicare for all.

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By lichen, November 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Kdelphi, I was banned from common dreams too a few months ago, right after they started openly deleting my responses to articles such as “Obama, the most progressive senator.” But I didn’t know there was an exile site around.

Of course, there was racism and sexism in this campaign season - even in the green party, some people (and I think the entire utah state party) ran from Mckinney/Clemente.  And, of course, it is stupid to really think that Obama would be putting anyone very far from his own center-right political persuasion in his administration.  I agree that the democrats should have been just as upset about scum like Biden and Emmanuel as they will be about a potential Clinton appointment, and that it is pathetic that they see the third parties as their enemies instead of the reality of their own party. But go to a site like dailykos and you see that mainstream democrats can really be socially backward, right wing creeps.

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By KDelphi, November 15, 2008 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

lichen-I am not a Democrat. But, who would everyone think Obama should choose? I mean, I know McKinney, Kucinich—but he is not going to.

I am not a Hillary fan. But, anyone who dosent think that there was sexism at play, is just wrong. It, quite frankly, surprised me quite a bit. Maybe you didtn catch anything on MSNBC? Ludrcrous? (sp?)HuffPo? Mauren Dowd? There are so many—and not just Hillary, at all. I couldnt stand Palin—but, yeah, there was sexism there. But, she asked for it by putting herself out there as a “sex sumbol”.I heard things about McKinney (race and sex) that were appalling. Mostly, though , she was ignored.The rage expressed for any “other party” candidates seemed to greatly exceed that for Dubya.

And there is stil racism about Obama.

Hey, dont feel alone!. I got an Obama Trojan (for Dems) and banned from a website (CD) for criticizing Obama on teh same day—nov 5th! I KNOW that that was why, becauwe there is a site of people now who were banned—mostly supporters of Nader, McKinney, or other “minor ” parties, like sp-usa. That is all we had in common.Third or other party affiliation

I am sure that Hillary’s health plan was not progerssive, but, at least , she PURPORTED to cover everyone. Obama’s plan admits to leaving 15 million people out.What is needed is single payer .Conyers HR676. But I have to accept that it is not going to happen.Both parties rely on inusarance company money too much. Behold Medicare Part D.

I am so desperate for health care, even propaganda woudl give me, what do you call it..“hope”?

Other than that, I think Hillary and Obama are almost identical.

There was sexism in this election ,as in every one. No, it is certainly not the only reason she lost. If she HAD won, I wouldnt have been much happier than I am now.It is just that she had become the “bane” of the Dem Party, while people ignore the rest (like Biden) who have even more hawkish records.

Hell, youd think she was the only Dem to vote with Bush. Once Obama got in there, he voted exactly the same. But, Emanuel, Biden, etc.It is just a little hard to believe that it is not something more personal.

As far as I would care, I would like to impeach everyone in DC and start over.But, hell, Obama is “different enough”, right? He is as conservative as a Dem can be.No,wait, there is Liberman and Biden and Baucus and many others. He is about the same.

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By lichen, November 15, 2008 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

Hillary’s health care plan was not more progressive, it was a mirror of the failed Massachusetts plan (despite paul krugmans endorsement, it did not work—poor people there still don’t have health insurance because they can’t pay, but now they also have to hide that fact) where people would have been fined if they didn’t buy health insurance that they couldn’t afford. As Naomi Klein said, hillary clinton was rejected because she refused to apologize for her Iraq war vote.  While I don’t give a damn anyway, and while I railed against those people for not supporting Kucinich instead, there were non-gender reasons for a lot of those people to support Obama over Clinton, because the latter was not more progressive.

But yes, she was not the only person smeared and dissapeared by the media; so was Cynthia Mckinney, Nader, Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, Cindy Sheehan, Howard Dean in 2004…there is nothing special about it in these presidential elections, and pretending that everyone’s dislike of Hillary Clinton is a result of sexism is ridiculous.  I can’t count how many people on places like youtube have called me racist for criticizing Obama in these past weeks; and they even continue doing it after I point out that I voted for a black woman instead.  There is no valid reason to dislike someone for race, sexuality, gender, ethnicity, nationality…but there are valid reasons for disliking individuals based on the things they’ve done.

Madeline Albright was already a female secretary of state in Clitnon’s administration, and she famously said that it was worth killing 1/2 million children in Iraq.  So the position of a female sec of state in a democratic administration isn’t Clinton’s to lose for women in politics anyway.  But I still hope she doesn’t get the post, because not only is she a hawk, she will be defended every step of the way by people who gave no such defense for Condi Rice.

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By KDelphi, November 15, 2008 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

felicity—how is PE Obama not a consumate politician? I submit he is almost a mirror image of Bill Clinton, with a little less experience and better political and rhetorical skills.

Oh, sure, the all important—to some—Obama will probably not cheat on his wife.I would not defend Bill Colinton, but I would condemn what he did policy wise.

Both parties are offering us variations on teh same theme. The “war on terror”? “Health care reform” (vs single payer as advocated by Conyers et al).“Impeachment is off the table” (as is prosecution)“out of Iraq” (one brigade at a time..16 mos.,is it now?)“into Afghanistan”.

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By felicity, November 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Arius - I forgot to mention that the last politician to hold the post was James Buchanan in 1849.  (He became president in 1857, if I remember correctly)

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By felicity, November 15, 2008 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Arius -

From about 5 books, the latest and most even-handed one by Kevin Philips.  Of course, most politicians/narcissists wouldn’t call their penchant for listening only to themselves a flaw.  No consummate politician should be head of State, which should take Hillary out of the running.

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By KDelphi, November 15, 2008 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

It’s true, what the poster said—look at Obama’s and Clinton’s policy statements on almost every issue—almost identical. Differences:

Hillary Rodham (thanks dihey—-very few men seem to have the scro to stand up for women these days! Racism—bad, sexism/including gays—good!)was MORE progressive on health care (still not single payer like Conyers HR 676); was going to make a point of pursuing veterans claims, including , back to Vietnam; and has introduced these bills: (amopng many others)

In 9/06, she introduced a bill to investigate Bush Adminmis. treament of detainess in Iraq, GITMO and elsewhere.

In 7/07, she introduced a bill to provide more money to cities, for “environmental justice”, due to the high rates of illness there due to “Bush’s gutting of the EPA, et al…”

In 8/08, she introduced a Transit Relief Bill that would have provided money to cities to update their rapid transit systems, as fuel prices rose;

She introduced a bill to investigate the sexual assault of female servicemembers

As far back as 3 yrs ago, she called for a freeze on ARMs and interest rates, until we could “sort out the moprtage debacle”.

As regards the Stimulus Bailout (I know—highway robbery—but, Obama spearheaded its passage—Cummings said it yesterday—he said, “We only voted for thsi because P. Obama said he coudl fix it…” Seems to be alot of this..vote the wrong way—he will fix it), she called for a large portiom of it to go to Stimulus to Distressed Cities, extending unemployment, increasing food stamps, a freeze on foreclosures and evicitons, and money to the states.

Unfortunately, since Congtress sat with its THUMB, it asppears to be too late to implement any restraints. Sure, I wish it had NOT passed!

She proposed a bill to cal for “sweeping mortgage modification”, which was not given a hearing.

Since the nomination of PE Obama (whom she campaigned for no less then 70 times), she has started HillPAC, to help elect Al Franken of Minnesota, and Jim Martin of Georgia (wouldnt youlove to be rid of Saxby??)

Hillary is more progressive on domestic issues, and Obama is only a little less hawkish, in that , he was not there to vote for or agaisnt the Iraq war, and, told the Chicago Sun Times that he “really didnt know how he would have voted if he’d had the info that the Congress did”.

I will say it once again—-you have voted for/elected a very conservative Democrat.I have no idea what you were expecting. Quite frankly, I was somewhat perplexed at the dissonance between what Obama was saying and what his supporters seemed to hear.

I would really have liked a Pres. McKinney, Kucinich, Brian Moore, Nader, etc, but, quite frankly, anytime a more propgessive person was suggested, Obama supporters screamed that they “couldnt get elected” or that someone was being “racist” (some were—I didnt hear much of it out of proggresives—and the states you were so concerned about, went for Obama).

It is time Dems did something about SEXISM—which appeaers to be deeply entrenched in this party.He is going to have women in his cabinet. Whether this is Hillary, I dont know, and, I dont really care. But, he could do worse =and he has—Emanuel and Summers and Gates.

Hey, you didnt think they really “hated” each other did you? LOL! They are politicians! So is McCain—it is a “gentleman’s agreement”, to not behave like gentlemen and be forgiven (or , gentle ladies—hey, I gave up on the idea that women in charge would be more moral a long time ago)

HE RAN AS A DEMOCRAT—-he didnt have to. Now , he wil behave like one.A conservative one. I mean, look at his AIPAC speech, folks…

BTW—on c-span.org today, (c-span 2, Book TV), Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill , authors of The Shock Doctrine, and Blackwater, respectively, were on in Miami and gave great talks! It is really worth downloading!

Personal disclosure—I love them guys!!

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By dihey, November 15, 2008 at 6:05 am Link to this comment

Jim Yell: If Hillary Clinton would have been elected, her presidency would not have been a “Clinton Presidency” but a “Rodham Presidency”. Keep in mind that we males do not have to change our names when we marry. Let’s end this sexist nonsense.

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By KDelphi, November 14, 2008 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

lichen—I see. I would have to agree, yet…

We are going to have a center Right Administration no matter what. I am still angry about the misogyny of the campaign.

But, to be honest, everyoen in DC can go to the Hauge, except maybe Kucincih, Sanders,and a few others who seem to try to stand on their own. But, the Dem Party treats them like hell.

 

I hear McKinney got .1% of the vote. Doesnt sound like much, but, when you consider how little money and media she got—not bad!

I am not a Dem either.

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By lichen, November 14, 2008 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, I do not support the democratic party; I am far to the left of them, and I voted for Cynthia Mckinney.  I never supported Obama. 

The full list of people I’d like to see at the hague includes rice, both presidents bush, albright, kissinger, powel, the clintons (since hillary gained so much ‘experience’ during the time of her husbands war crimes and since she votes for murder) - and there are many others I’m sure; I don’t care if they are democrats or republicans.

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By KDelphi, November 14, 2008 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

RdV—NO! Keep it up! I am just amazed that you coudl ever have believed that Obama was some “man of peace”!

Do you still not see how conservative he is??

He has said the same things about Israel, Iran, etc, as Clinton has. Biden is a bigger hawk then Hillary, yet you guys excuse him.

I dont give a damn about any of the Dems.

lichen—If the Clintons (they are not conjoined twins)should be at the Hague, I hope Obama wil do it to Bush and Cheney! You guys seem to hate the Clintons more than Bush! WHY are the supporters of the Dem Party so in love with GOP?

Hillary has appeared in support of Obama more than 70 times. This bothers you more than Emanuel? Summers? Biden?You voted for a Democrat, and, a very conservative one, at that.

Ashraf—Yes, beware of “stars”—especially your own, PE Obama!You guys have just set your expectations too high. Obama is, as Wright said, a politician.

Coloradokarl—LOL!! A “nervous frenzy”!!?? YOu guys really think Obama is giong to fix everything dont you? You had better grow up fast!

He is one man. A very bright man. But, a man. You are putting way too much power in the “presidency”.It is going to be teh school of hard knocks for you, I guess..

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By Arius, November 14, 2008 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

By felicity, November 14 at 8:59 am #


How the hell do you know these are her “personal character flaws”?

Do you personally know this woman? or do you speculate based on the bullshit from clinton-hating media?

Have you met the woman? sat down at a meeting with her?

of course not-

god the ignorance-it’s pathetic

the Clintons have spent their lives for the good of the people, whether you agree with their policies or not, they chose the path to be for the people.

Hillary was a star student, she could have spent her life in a big law firm.  When she got out of high school she chose to work for human services to help families in need.

what’s your resume look like?

Bill Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar. When he ran for president he turned over his records on his grades as did Bush.

Do you know or care that Obama has not done this? even when it was requested ? he turned over nothing.

ignorance is not bliss- it’s the blind leading the blind…

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By Arius, November 14, 2008 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

“Remember Clinton’s vote for Iraq war was self serving vote.”

that is a LIE, and it is the standard comment by ignorance who did NOT research what she did before her vote, leading up to her vote, and how she came to her decision.

It’s damn funny people forget she was not the sole vote for the war. 

It’s damn funny people forget that Obambi was NOT in washington, he did NOT have access to ANY of the secret documents on the lead up to the war, to make a decision. HE was a nobody with no resume and no experience sitting home in his barka-lounger who made an opinion, an uninformed personal opinion, that got turned into this golden ad campaign as if he was brilliant.

he was no dif than any american with no info who made a personal opinion before a SMALL CROWD.  (you do know they re-voiced over that entire thing to make it look like he was before a huge crowd don’t you?).. it’s a knwon fact.

I 100% did not, do not support bush and this corrupt illegal war- i thik he and cheney should be on trial for treason (to be clear that i am not defending the war).

but some who did vote, sought out intelligence from high ranking military ppl who they trusted- HILLARY WAS ONE OF THESE PPL.  She went to several intelligence ppl to get their input before she made her vote.

AND DON’T FORGET THAT THE SENATE WAS GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION BY THE PRESIDENTIAL CORE-

whether that FALSE information was intentional (and I think the incompetence there was intentional), the POINT is that the senate had to make their decision based on the intelligence before them-

the intelligence was in error and falsified.

stop the damn lies and conspiracies and propaganda- try the truth folks- it will set you free.

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By Arius, November 14, 2008 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

I love it, I love it, i love it.

I love Hillary, I can’t stand Obambi the messiah/furor.

this is a more presitigous job than VP which many of we true fans didn’t want her to accept even if it was offered.

Her senate seat would be filled by a Dem so no issue there on losing a seat.

She is the perfect, PERFECT candiate for this position.

I f’king love it! smile

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By lichen, November 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

It shows so much about obama that he would pick the person who shouted in public that she wanted to OBLITERATE IRAN and then refused to apologize, asking, arrogantly, what she had to apologize about?  Hmm, you are threatening massive genocide of a 6,000 year old civilization… 

The clintons belong at the hague, not the white house.

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By P. T., November 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

It seems Obama is going to staff his administration with cluster bomb liberals.

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By Ashraf, November 14, 2008 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
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My advice to President Elect Obama is not to take on board too many “Heavyweights and Stars”

Difficult to control them, beside they may have future ambitions for President’s job. They might be positioning themselves and the President might not get the best advice.

Remember Clinton’s vote for Iraq war was self serving vote. She voted not for America’s best interest but “an against war vote” might not stand her well during election.

Beware of stars Obama.

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By coloradokarl, November 14, 2008 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

This is all rumor!!! Obama has surrounded him self with Clinton2.0 Clinton wants his Job in 2012. I am working myself into a nervous frenzy over RUMORS. Richardson should be in charge of the Israel Mess. Is cleaning all the “Old Guard” out of the senate good or bad?? Clintons are strung out on Amphetamines Is this good or bad?             
                        KARL

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By RdV, November 14, 2008 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

LARoth: Well, I want to be the first on my block and the first in line to ...hold his feet to the fire….heh heh.

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By RdV, November 14, 2008 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

Yeah, I do feel strongly about this.. and your point is? That we should just shut up?

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By felicity, November 14, 2008 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

What nonsense is this?  I thought the impending exit of Bush meant the impending exit of nonsense.  Wrong if Hillary is tapped for State.

All of us have character flaws, including Hillary whose biggest one is her inability to, aversion to, refusal to listen to anyone other than herself.  That flaw in a Secretary of State is fatal if we hope to settle differences peacefully between ourselves and others.

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By Anarcissie, November 14, 2008 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

dihey: ’... I hope that Hillary remains in the Senate and makes a lot of “mischief” when needed, especially if President Obama reneges on his 16-month “partial withdrawal” promise. ....’

Why would she do that?  She herself is a major hawk and imperialist.  In the Senate or the Department of State, her most likely role will be to look for new wars to start.

Personally, I would prefer her to stay in the Senate, where she has at least had the virtue of being fairly ineffective in pursuing her ideology.

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By KDelphi, November 14, 2008 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

RdV—Gee..you really feel strongly about this dont you?

I can guarantee you that Obama WILL choose a “hawk” , because he is “hawkish”.

NOw jump on me for saying that, even as you are criticising. Go ahead.

Anyone who didnt estabish this when he was campaigning was simply not paying attention.

I do not like his suggested appontments much either.

“Hold his feet to the fire” , but, “not too much”?? Feeling a little conflicted?

Have you drank any Kool-Aid lately that tasted funny?

Seriously, alot more of this is to come, as reality dawns.

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By RdV, November 14, 2008 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

The choice of Biden over Clinton as VP was stricly strategy. Obama was weakest among white men—thus the regular guy working class persona Biden—meanwhile where were women voters ultimately going to go? McCain? Whereas a Hillary clinton VP would’ve been more polarizing.

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By RdV, November 14, 2008 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

The characterization of Clinton as “smart” is nothing but a campaign of successful talking points started specifically to compare Clinton favorably to Bush with little on the record to back it up. She has demonstrated a rather bellicose lack of solid judgement—especially on foreign policy where she postures as a hawk, has a history of questionable votes and advocated for McCain over Obama.
Obama may fancy himself as the Lincolnesque senator from Illinois by suggesting a mixed administration but thus far it looks like same old same old.

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By KDelphi, November 14, 2008 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

Read the full article in the Chicago Sun, folks! This is a rumor.

Yet, even abc news put out an email, “Leave it to Hillary Clinton to create a 3:00 AM moment in the transition team..” What bs!! She ‘created” nothing of the kind! If Obama wants to consider her—fine. I dont really care. The press so obviously loathes her…she was not my choice, but, after awhile it is hard to disbelieve that the press has a problem with her personlly.

I know that it is hard for the MSNBC crowd to swallow, but, Obama will probably put a woman besides “mommy in chief” on his team. (Not my words)A VP wouldve been nice—I guess there just were not enough women to choose from, and they all probably voted FOR the war in Iraq, unlike…oh, never mind.

Why are people so sure she would accept it , anyway? She is in a position of leadership in the Senate.

People who are saying she could “create mischief”—well, I wish she had done so alot more with Bush! And ALL the Dems should have!

Hope for mischief with the somehwat hawkish Obama Team. You know, Iran, Pakistan, the missile “shield” in Poland (ie BIG first strike bombs), Obama’s speech on Israel…

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By LA Roth, November 14, 2008 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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For those shrill anti-Clinto posters: Please come up with the names of people Obama should have instead of anyone who ever had anything to do with a Clinton. Good luck. Now, compare Hillary’s campaign issue list with Obama’s. There’s not a gnat’s foot worth of difference. Sooooo, what is your problem with the Clintons? Breath slowly and make a list. Then get over it. These people are politicians, yes, including Barack.

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By RdV, November 14, 2008 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

If we wanted the Clintons we would have elected Clinton. Obama is stacking the deck with Clintonistas:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/obama-brings-clinton-team_n_143795.html

So much for change.
So much for hope.

We might as well have Hillary Clinton as pres elect for all of Obama’s insider, DLC retread has-been cabinet picks. Rubin & Summers? Rahm Emanuel? Lieberman? Madeline Albright everywhere, Christopher & Nunn? The worst of the worst. The architects of the financial deregulation melt down. Now Hillary herself as secretary of state. The world rejoices. Not. So, on with all your pep talk and promises to hold his feet to the fire—-but not yet—give the guy a chance, although the increasingly oily Obama pronounced it would be a “bottom up” administration. Meanwhile they are stacking the deck and NOT ONE BONE thrown to the people. No one from the black caucus, no one from the progressive caucus. Oh wait, I understand there is a “progressive liaison”—a Clintonista no less, as an Obama outreach on Huffington Post. What a joke. So much for hope and change. We got his foot in the door and he betrayed us even before he crossed the threshold. From hope & change to bait & switch.

  Thumbs down.

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By Jim Yell, November 14, 2008 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
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I was very against another Clinton Presidency, but I believe the office of Secretary of State would be a great use for her talents. I don’t believe the Secretary of State is a Free Agent, otherwise how could Colon Powell have been used and discarded by Bush. So any objections to Clinton’s personal views of international relations she will be confined by President Obama’s views.

I endorse Hilliary Clinton for this position, if she wants it.

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By nrobi, November 14, 2008 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, is a tough, smart, and politically savvy person. It would be a shame to see her leave the Senate for a temporary job, even one as elite and powerful as the Secretary of State.
Her political savvy and the fact that she would be the most strident and vocal critic of any administration that chooses to go above and beyond the law, would make it one of the worst decisions that could be made.
Sen. Clinton, is by far the most knowledgeable and possibly intelligent senator in the senate on the Democratic side to date.
Aside from Sen. Edward Kennedy, she would have the most impact in the Senate if she remained, if she decided to leave, we the people would lose a voice for our causes and the health of the nation as a whole.
Sen. Clinton, should you or your advisers read this posting, please remain in the Senate where you can and will have an impact on the people’s business and that of the nation as a whole. You are without doubt the most qualified to lead the Senate into the next few administrations and having your voice in the Senate would make myself and others feel that there is a person who will listen to us and our needs.

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By dihey, November 14, 2008 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

rbloom: “It gets her out of the Senate, where she can create great mischief for the president”.

All presidents need “mischief makers” a.k.a. critics. One trouble with Bush was that he had too few in the Senate and House. I hope that Hillary remains in the Senate and makes a lot of “mischief” when needed, especially if President Obama reneges on his 16-month “partial withdrawal” promise.     

President Obama will soon have to ask Congress for additional funding for his version of the “war on terrorists”. How about adding firm timetables for ending the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan?

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By abdo, November 14, 2008 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

Barack possible choices seems to promise less and less changes. A top heavy cabinet will be more difficult to choose new solutions and fall back on I always said so attitude. When it comes to sen. Clinton she is a good example of liberal hawks who believe freedom at home can be combined with empire abroad. God save us from our friends.

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By rbloom, November 13, 2008 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment

She’s tough, smart and highly political—which puts her on a level playing field with Petraeus and some of the other three- and four-stars. She’s been hawkish for a Democrat, and she’s on Armed Services in the Senate, so she knows the Pentagon and they know her. It gets her out of the Senate, where she can create great mischief for the president, and into the Cabinet where she will have a personal stake in making the Obama administration a success. It makes her subject to Obama’s authority as C-in-C somewhat more than she would be as SoS, both because of the military chain of command and because SoS is considered the highest ranking Cabinet post, with its own cachet and prerogatives. And she would be the first female in charge of the Pentagon, which I suspect would appeal to her.

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