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On Prop. 8, Californians Won’t Take ‘Yes’ for an Answer

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Posted on Nov 11, 2008
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Andrew Sullivan has words of encouragement for the protesters who’ve taken to the streets of California: “A word to those discouraged by last Tuesday: don’t be. We will win because we’re right. It’s as simple as that. We are equal.”


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I wonder how the new Harvey Milk movie will affect things. Kinda staggering they didn’t release it in time for the vote. A word to those discouraged by last Tuesday: don’t be. We will win because we’re right. It’s as simple as that. We are equal. We threaten no one. One day, the churches will be our allies. Don’t push anyone away that we will soon need. This is an opportunity as much as a setback.

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By pope, November 12, 2008 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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I have been appalled at the outpouring of criticism towards organized religion. I may not agree with certain stances that they have, but one really loses credibility when they speak of equal rights for all, and when they don’t get their way, use abusive and offensive language towards other people, just because they think differently. Can we please stop the hypocrisy?
“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”
-Noam Chomsky
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” -Voltaire

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By lichen, November 11, 2008 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

BruSays,  how disgusting those people are!  Gay marriage was already legal for months in California before this ballot; did it really change the lives of these bigots?  Did they even fucking know whether the gay couples whom they refuse to associate with were married or not?  I’m sure it didn’t; and personally, as a gay boy, I have to say that the ‘straight lifestyle’ was shoved down my throat and imposed upon me for my entire life; those people have NO FUCKING IDEA what such a thing is REALLY like.  If I had the privilege of getting pissed off and morally revolted every time I saw/read about/heard of issues of straight marriage or man-woman expressions of affection, I would be in a constant state of rage.  But I’m not; I see that everyone deserves equal rights, I see that affection between humans is fundamentally beautiful, and that it has nothing to do with me anyway. 

People against gay marriage and homosexuality in general need to grow up and fuck off; it HAS NOTHING DO WITH YOU, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

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By Robert, November 11, 2008 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment
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We have no intention of shutting up.  The struggle for equality is very similar in many ways.  And there are many black leaders who realize this and have spoken and written about it.  The very basis of prejudice is when you have a majority of people believing and acting like they are superior to the minority -whether it is due to the shades of skin or the shades of sexual orientation, or the gender or whatever.  The basis is the same, and we do not need the permission of blacks who reject this fact to point out the similarities.

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By skmacksk, November 11, 2008 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

How long do we wait in the anteroom of citizenship?
Although the margin of victory was not that great,looking at the 2000 vote, it seems rather narrow.American Political Hysteria is a tradition alive and well nourished. We will not find our victory in the popular vote, but in the courts.
Even as the Supreme Court is presently constituted we stand a very good chance. This is an issue that needs a final decision. The Republican Party had the power, for six years in Washington, to introduce a bill for “Defense of Marrage” and yet made no move at all. This is an important “wedge” issue and as such is ripe for exploitation, indeed its political value is highest as the great question, rather than any answer that might be given,except a final ruling by the Supreme Court,that is what is needed to put this issue to rest.

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By BruSays, November 11, 2008 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

To give you all a glimpse of some of the thinking going on out there, here’s a posting I took from a local blog regarding the “Yes” vote on Proposition 8:

“What rights did I take from you? I mean granted I took away your right to rape little boys in the Church, the school yards, and the boy scouts but I didn’t take away your right to marry. I just said you have to meet the standards. Marriage is a man/woman sort of thing so unless one you queers is going for a quick SRS, you are SOL.

“Get it through your heads, most of us do not want your LIFESTYLE forced upon us. You are minority of sexual deviants, depraved and degenerate to boot. You can’t even get the male/female angle down correctly. You are deviants. No society should be held hostage to a group of deviants. No society should be forced to redefine their culture for a group of degenerates and perverts. Absolutely not. You were given civil unions and domestic partnerships as a means of compromise. You rejected that and began an assault on my nation’s culture? Screw you.

“I hope the judges overturn this again. Maybe this will be the catalyst for the next civil war. One I guarantee the fags will lose. Maybe when enough blood has been spilled, you will understand what the word “No” means.”

Signed: “Jeffrey” on Angelenic.com

Talk about sick. Talk about scary. Talk about pathetic.

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By Blackspeare, November 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

I wonder how many people who voted misinterpreted the ballot and thought that a yes vote was for gay marriage and that no was against?  It wouldn’t be the first time a faulty worded proposition, perhaps intentionally, had forced the outcome.  The way the proposition was worded a yes vote was no for gay marriage——ass backwards if you ask me.

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By uglyfemale, November 11, 2008 at 11:06 am Link to this comment
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can’t the queer community accept civil unions and shut up?  I resent that this group already benefiting from mostly white skin privilege trying to compare their struggle for mainstream/religious acceptance with the ongoing civil rights movement of black Americans.  I remember reading articles in my local newspapers about how affluent white gays siccing law enforcement on nonwhite gays,lesbians, and transgendereds coming to their neighborhoods to assemble without harrassment.

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By huhwhat, November 11, 2008 at 10:01 am Link to this comment
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“One day, the churches will be our allies. Don’t push anyone away that we will soon need.”

Sure, if some of these same Churches weren’t trying to take away women’s right to choose too, and other churches weren’t trying to have creationism taught in public school biology classes, and still other churches weren’t pushing for vouchers so the government would pay tuition for parents who want their children brainwashed in religious schools. What have I forgotten? It will always be something anyway, that religionists want the rest of us to be forced to do or not to do.

This fight is about religious intolerance. Pushing intolerance away from us is the only answer, not thinking we ‘need’ the intolerant to give us one little break on gay marriage, while they’re still planning other ways to impose their other forms of intolerance on the rest of us.

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