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New Questions Arise About Georgia-Russia Conflict

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Posted on Nov 7, 2008
Russian Tanks in South Ossetia
AP photo / Musa Sadulayev

Russian tanks roll through South Ossetia in early September.

Three months after Georgia and Russia briefly battled—a clash that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili blamed on Russian aggression—the original story about the short summer war is being reconsidered in light of new information from independent sources.


The New York Times:

Newly available accounts by independent military observers of the beginning of the war between Georgia and Russia this summer call into question the longstanding Georgian assertion that it was acting defensively against separatist and Russian aggression.

Georgia moved forces toward the border of the breakaway region of South Ossetia on Aug. 7, at the start of what it called a defensive war with separatists there and with Russian forces.

Instead, the accounts suggest that Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on Aug. 7 with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm.

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By KDelphi, November 8, 2008 at 6:03 pm #

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aaq08rlNDG1c&refer=home

``President Kaczynski raised missile defense, but President-elect Obama made no commitment on it,’’ Denis McDonough, Obama’s senior foreign policy adviser, said in a statement released to reporters. ``His position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defense system when the technology is proved to be workable.’’

Michael McFaul, a Russia specialist at Stanford University who advised Obama during his presidential campaign, said last month that the U.S. should keep open negotiations with the Russian government on a missile-defense system for Europe, and also support Russia’s entry into the World Trade Organization.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aaq08rlNDG1c&refer=home

``We don’t believe in trying to isolate Russia,’’ McFaul said in a phone interview, stressing that he was giving his personal view and not that of Obama. ``Those kind of actions we see as counterproductive in dealing with Russia.’’

Who knows?? If somebody else has info…PE Obama is one hard to pin down man.

Clinton’s Bill:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-3567

Obama probably doesnt have a position on it yet…

If we start up a “Cold War” again, the uS wil not survive. That is my prediction.

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By Folktruther, November 8, 2008 at 3:41 pm #

Obama has just given conditional support for the first strike missiles stationed in Poland.  He apparently intendes to continue the Bush-Cheney policy for a new Cold War with Russia.

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By Truth for Ossetia, November 7, 2008 at 10:00 pm #

Why is the United States still giving billions of taxpayer dollars in unconditional aid to Saakashvili, rewarding him for what the NYT is now reporting was an indiscriminate attack on civilians?

This report follows new revelations about Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili’s sneak attack on Tskhinvali, the BBC’s report on Georgian abuses, Human Rights Watch’s disclosure of Georgian use of cluster bombs, and our own growing compilation of eyewitness accounts of Georgian abuses before, during, and after the five-day war. Today, the BBC has even more reporting, calling into question Georgia’s stated timeline of events and establishing how much suffering the Georgian invasion caused South Ossetian.

While it’s good that the media are beginning to take a look at what really happened during the Georgian government’s assault on South Ossetia, it is time for the American government and people to find out what Georgia’s U.S. trained and equipped military really did.

Sen. Hillary Clinton needs to push her bill S.3567. This bill, which is currently referred to the Foreign Affairs Committee, seeks to examine the causes of the conflict and make recommendations about U.S. policy. Sen. Clinton must ensure that the American people get a full and fair hearing on what happened in August.

(Click here more information on the August war, and many eyewitness accounts.)

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By Truth For Ossetia, November 7, 2008 at 9:51 pm #
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Why is the United States still giving billions of taxpayer dollars in unconditional aid to Saakashvili, rewarding him for what the NYT is now reporting was an indiscriminate attack on civilians?

This New York Times piece follows new revelations about Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili’s sneak attack on Tskhinvali, the BBC’s report on Georgian abuses, Human Rights Watch’s disclosure of Georgian use of cluster bombs, and our own growing compilation of eyewitness accounts of Georgian abuses before, during, and after the five-day war.

While it’s good that the media are beginning to take a look at what really happened during the Georgian government’s assault on South Ossetia, it is time for the American government and people to find out what Georgia’s U.S. trained and equipped military really did.

Sen. Hillary Clinton needs to push her bill S.3567. This bill, which is currently referred to the Foreign Affairs Committee, seeks to examine the causes of the conflict and make recommendations about U.S. policy. Sen. Clinton must ensure that the American people get a full and fair hearing on what happened in August.

(Click here more information on the August war, and many eyewitness accounts.)

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By Blackspeare, November 7, 2008 at 1:25 pm #

International incidents rarely happen in a vacuum.  There is usually an underlying festering cause.  The situation in Georgia is a prime example.  When Gorbachev agreed to let East and West Germany reunite it was under the proviso that the USA would not interfere in the Soviet sphere of influence namely eastern Europe.  Under both the Clinton and Bush regimes this agreement was abrogated and the Russians believe they were betrayed.  Now we have NATO moving into eastern Europe with missiles slated to be placed close enough to Russia to make them a wee bit edgy.  It as if the US would like to start the cold war anew——-maybe its good for the economy!

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By KDelphi, November 7, 2008 at 12:56 pm #

Purple Girl—I see it pretty differently. It occurred to me that it “sure was good they were reporting it now”, in light of the “warning type congratulations” Obama got from Medvedev. If he had had to , perhaps, remove the “missile shield” from Eastern Europe, after a direct challenge from the Russain president, he might have had to take a “Cold War stance” ,. much like Kennedy at the Cuban Missile “Crisis”—how strange to find ourselvse on the “other side”...of this—-the more things change the more they remain teh same.

But, now, we will be the one to capitulate and we SHOULD. Bush’s stance on teh “missile shield” was alwasy very obviously a direct threat to Russia. I suspect the “Russia invades Geoprgia ” story to be bull. IN any case, we are hardly in a position to judge anyone invading—well, anyone.

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By Folktruther, November 7, 2008 at 12:37 pm #

A good sign that the American media is now changing its story.  It indicates that Obiden does not want a new cold war with Russia.

Of course what is printing now is the truth and its former narrative was lies but this has nothing to do with the matter.  The NYTIMes and the other media lie routinely about foreign affairs even more than domestic affairs.

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By Purple Girl, November 7, 2008 at 11:28 am #

Why is it the media is about 2 steps behind reporting the obvious. the Georgian Pres was attacking his Own citizens because they would not ‘behave’...Nice Democracy!
If Sarahs group of Separatist were to wage a rebillion, Do you think the rest of US would sit idley by while our Gov’t bombed the shit out of them?? NO. Would you expect Canada to also sit back during such a conflict?NO, since it’s right on their border.
I knew this story sounded like a Set Up, not just for the sake of securing oil lines, but to bolster John McCains ‘Fear’ Campaign.
the Georgian Pres and ALL those who provoked this Staged attack upon these people in those regions should be facing War crimes charges.Including McCain since he has also Claimed a great friendship with this Tyrannt (another association the media Failed to report- Saddam/Timmons, Anti Commnuist Group/Bin Laden…How many more nefarious connections does John have in the Closet…has he also supported the murderes in Darfur too?)
Thank God our Election of Obama was a landslide…First since we needed it to avoid another election Theft, but also to tell the world this Shit ain’t US….It’s those who Highjacked OUR country…Now we just need to bring them ALL to justice- swiftly and Mercilessly!

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By jackpine savage, November 7, 2008 at 9:44 am #

Most international coverage of the event told the story that The New York Times is just now “uncovering”. Only it didn’t take them two plus months to “uncover” it.

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By Frank, November 7, 2008 at 8:52 am #

Shocking, just shocking (not). So Obama may have been right tot initially call for restraint from both sides, a move that he was castigated for by McCain and the GOP during the campaign.

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By KDelphi, November 7, 2008 at 5:39 am #

I hope that now our govt will listen to independent sources before going hog wild into another Cold War.

How convenient it WOULD have been. I had my suspicions when I heard that some Scandanavian countries were behind Russia’s side ot the story. I think it is best if we move quickly to make amends with Russia over the obvious “missile shield” to prevent another escuse to escalate military spending and hawkism.

Wouldnt it be nice to have Russia as a ally again?

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