Hi “Gail Dolly,Fadel Abdallah, Louise”, I hope each of you had a great day!! As one of your fellow bloggers, I want to first and foremost say I love the “polictal/social, etc.” engagement that we four and others have shared regarding this story!

I as well look forward to reviewing/hearing each of your thoughts/feedback regarding other current events posted on this site (great media site I would like to add…). As a fellow blogger I feel each of you have a high intellect, as well as being cognizant of current and past national/international affairs.

I feel the news/issue of the deceitful LIE by Ashley Todd (republican party….I feel “some” inside the party had to be in on it as well…again my opinion)that we started off posting “our thoughts” on has now gone astray. I have reviewed each of your subsequent post’s in the last three days, and am discourage by “why you are continuing down this negative path, and off the story..again my thoughts.”

By your responses, I feel each of you are nice people, people who I am glad to have met…even though it is online..ha ha! Please stop the back and forth bantering; we each have our views..which is our right. I feel each of us in many ways….to many to say we disagree,are like minded in our political/social outlook (Ok I could be crazy…but that is just me.).

All I am asking is that you think about my response. There are various stories on this site,that I feel are as well great for discussion       (“Populism Arising—but Will It Be the Killer Kind?”,MSNBC Slammed by Media Execs, etc.), and far worthier of any time spent putting each other down.

One week left till “change” comes….as you know I support Senator Obama, and though I do not agree with all of his stance’s (FISA bill).....I do wholeheartedly believe that he is the “catalyst of change” this country (and in that…the world)needs right now. I as well believe in his “challenge” to all American’s, and that is “If all of us would commit to working together (that’s the kicker…), we can together change our country for the better.

As an Obama supporter…well really as someone who just plain cares, I have to say something. Have a great day,and again just a “shout out” from one blogger to another!!

By Louise, October 27 at 8:43 pm

“Occasionally some rabble rouser turns up here, but that’s certainly NOT Fadel Abdallah. He is one of the most thoughtful posters we read! I seriously doubt he, or most anyone who supports Obama would show up at a McCain rally screaming White Trash. That’s not our way.”
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I am Fadel Abdallah, and though I am not running for any office, I do approve the message above about me and about the latest “rabble rouser”!

Thanks dear Louise for your kind words about me! And though I am normally humbled when I get praise, I do make exceptions when I say that it takes a person of first-rate mind to recognize and appreciate one of the same caliber. 

I am also entertained that the latest “rabble rouser” thinks you and I are one and the same. Therefore I am curious to meet myself in your person. So if you live in Baltimore, MD or its surroundings, I would like to meet my other self and have a family reunion! If this happens I am willing to give the “rabble rouser” the benefit of the doubt and praise her for being the non-intended instrument of this reunion! I am even willing to invite her to the unique self-reunion party, all expenses paid!

Aha. Now I get it ... Fadel Abdallah and Louise are doing something that often happens on these postings. They are the SAME PERSON. How nice to be able to have a split personality and to be able to praise each other and be the same person! I have a girlfriend who does that on You Tube. She enjoys it no end!

I repeat—words can and do hurt and can kill, and people who support Barack are held to a higher standard of behavior because we are representing him and Joe Biden. We have a Field Manager here who is in charge of three counties and every time a person does something really rotten (steals or vandalizes another Obama sign, throws a brick through our office door) and one of us says something about wishing to retaliate, he always reminds us that WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF SENATOR OBAMA and therefore have got to adhere to a higher standard of behavior.

If Abdallah/Louise REALLY wants to support the Obama/Biden ticket, he/she should be exhibiting behavior of the very highest caliber, NOT exhibiting the behavior of the McCain/Palin mobs and indulging in racist name-calling as exhibited by these mobs! When you act that way you are acting like Ashley Todd, a racist.

I suppose “consider the source” might be appropriate. And the observation, sometimes the ability to laugh, or smile a little can get one through the most difficult of times.

Occasionally some rabble rouser turns up here, but that’s certainly NOT Fadel Abdallah. He is one of the most thoughtful posters we read! I seriously doubt he, or most anyone who supports Obama would show up at a McCain rally screaming White Trash. That’s not our way.

Besides why should anyone go looking for trouble? Who knows what they may find?

Mobs? Perhaps.

Stupid? Most certainly.

But mobs rarely vote and stupid do as they are told anyway, whether or not they are called names.

My daughter and her friend will not be bothered one bit. Perhaps you missed my observation about how their particular greetings originated. They to see life as something to be celebrated and their differences as highlighting their sameness. How great is that?

But having grown, they also realise in a world full of people looking for perfection it’s best not to rattle the delusional search. It’s also best to avoid throwing stones in a glass house.

And I repeat. A hang-mans noose can kill. Words alone do not.

Sorry, Louise, but words, indeed, can and do hurt. And if you are as disgusted as most progressive people are at the behavior of the mobs (and they are “mobs”) who attend McCain’s and Palin’s “rallies” and the words they spout then you would also, logically, dislike the same behavior from people who you would want to behave on a higher level. That’s why I commented on the behavior my husband and I have observed at three (two Barack and one Michelle) rallies. And people who are supporting Barack, as we are frequently told by our Field Manager, are representing Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and so we are held to a higher standard.

I don’t find anything at all funny in your fifth paragraph, and your seventh paragraph can only be termed “disgusting.” If your daughter and her friend enjoy this colloquy it should certainly be a private thing and I doubt they will appreciate your putting it out there for the world to see.

And, finally, words can and do kill. They can be incredibly dangerous. THAT is why people are so appalled at the words that are shrieked out at Palin’s and McCain’s rallies. The person who shouted out “kill him” has been investigated by the Secret Service for threatening a person under Secret Service protection. They take these threats very, very seriously, as do those of us who lived through the sixties. Those memories are very painful, and we will never forget them. Minimizing them by saying that objecting to them is “over the top” is like saying that a woman who objects to rape should “relax and enjoy it.” Both concepts are dead wrong.

I have 3 questions….....
1-has this lying bigot been fired?
2-has she PUBLICLY apologised for her lies and slander?
3-has the “mooseturd/mcshame” office tendered an apology-publicly-to We-The People?

NO-NO-NO-...........

White Trash, a “title” that’s creation has been attributed to a black journalist, is in reality an outcrop of the poorer than poor white folks, who didn’t have anything to justify their lack of ambition before the Civil War. So they latched onto the blacks being given freedom as the reason they had no ambition after the Civil War. All to often, they were the first ones to call for a lynching, and the last ones to leave the “party” after a lynching. And I don’t think history records any poor black folks celebrating at those parties!

Since then the title has morphed into a variety of definitions. One of the most common is attaching the label to folks who live in Mobile Home Parks. But folks who are smart enough to pay as much for a very nice home as some pay for a luxury car, are hardly trash. Rather smart I would say. And they are not all white!

Likewise, not all poor people are White Trash, nor is all trash white. In fact we can find trash in all walks of life.

But it needs to be noted Fadel Abdallah refered to “McCains White Trash” I think trying to point out really stupid and lazy and uninformed [and in this case unbalanced] people gather round and call for lynchings every time someone like a Palin or a McCain encourage them. He then goes on to mention crimes committed by whites who tried to label a black as responsible. Most notably the mother who strapped her kids into their car seats, drove the car into a lake and walked away, hearing the two little boys screaming for help. I still cry when I remember that lovely “white” lady. And I have no problem labeling her trash!

Now I could be wrong. Maybe the folks yelling “terrorist” and “kill him” were actually black skin-heads, and only looked white. But I doubt it.

[Now watch me get attacked for saying “skin-head” ]

Regardless, while I agree name calling doesn’t always move us in the right direction, I think taking offense at the name is a bit over the top. I mean after all, it’s only words. A hang-mans noose can kill, but words can never hurt you ... unless you give them more value than they deserve! My daughter affectionately calls her very best friend of forty plus years “nigger” and she in turn is affectionately called “white honkey trash” which would and could lead to anger, possibly riots if they didn’t keep their little peculiararity to themselves. But these habits formed when they were both teens, perhaps as a direct ridicule of the over-reaction their “elders” had at such name-calling.

So folks lets focus on the really big stuff ... like deliberate lying and deception as a weapon used to smear and hurt us all, no matter what color we are. Lets focus on the so-called Christian “hate in the name of love” rhetoric coming out of the McCain-Palin campaign that could lead to violence, possibly death. And leave the determination of the value or danger of words to the scholars who study such things.

I find Fadel Abdallah’s comments, like most, for the most part thoughtful and valuable.

Apparently Mr. Abdallah isn’t accustomed to normal social discourse. In most circles the type of inflammatory language he appears to find acceptable is not used. It is this very type of outrageous name-calling that most people are trying to get away from. One is accustomed to hearing it from the very people that one considers the very lowest of the low. Mr. Abdallah is the type of person who hampers any socially progressive movement. Types like him have been around forever, and they are the kind of person that most of us abhor, because we know that despite all of our efforts they will be there on the sidelines, not doing a thing to help us, but using their ridiculously lowlife ravings to make it all the more difficult for any progressive movement to go forward. He plays right into the hands of the right wing nuts like McCain and Palin.

By Gail Dolly, October 26 at 7:58 am #
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As a follow-up to a previous response to your knee-jerk irrational reaction, let me inform you that I am a Caucasian (i.e. white). However, the difference between me and you is that I like to call a spade a spade (i.e. like to speak the truth) whereas, you’re a coward hiding behind your false self-righteousness.

So next time save me and others from your “white shit!”

By Gail Dolly, October 26 at 7:58 am #
(Unregistered commenter)

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. I HOPE YOU DON’T HAVE CHILDREN THAT YOU ARE RAISING IN SUCH HATRED!
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You should be ashamed of yourself that despite English being your native language, you cannot understand words in context and you cannot understand the meaning of quotation marks!

The phrase “white trash” was used and posted on another thread here by a white lady who appeared on Al-Jazeera and used the term in an accusatory context about what other people think about her and her types.

Moreover, for a reality wake-up call to you, you should know that there are truly “white trash,” “black trash,” “Arab trash,” “Jewish trash,” “Asian trash,” and “European trash,” etc. All nations, ethnicities, and religions produce their own “trash” as a metaphor for the ignorant, bigots and racists!

My pleasure Gail Dolly,always there for a “team member”!!!!

Thank you, Rayven. You see, I am so sick of racism, wherever it raises its ugliness. It is what has caused most of the misery in this world for time immemorial. It is the way that the power elite has maintained its control over those of us in the working class FOREVER. And as long as we don’t recognize it, we are doomed to be controlled by the likes of Bush, McCain and their puppet-masters. As Dr. King said so eloquently, “I wish today that Christians would stop talking so much about religion and start doing something about it, and we would have a better world. But the problem is that the church has sanctioned every evil in the world. Whether it’s racism, or whether it’s the evils of monopoly-capitalism, or whether it’s the evils of militarism. And this is why these things continue to exist in the world today.” Martin Luther King, Jr., Ebenezer Baptist Church, Atlanta, January 7, 1968.

Gail Dolly, thanks for your response and from one blogger (Obama supporter as well) to another, I totally concur with you!

Fadel Abdallah,I understand your anger when it comes to ignorance and the stupid “mindset” of some people. However, by using that derogatory term, it does nothing and is not helpful in making the world a better place. When you use “that” term you chance, as seen here, alienating people who are Caucasian and are not “disgusting racist”. Every blogger has their right to say what they want…..if you are out there, let “Gail Dolly”  and the rest of us know that in your anger and frustration…you are not talking about “all” Caucasians”.

Thanks!

Why does Fadel Abdella use the term “white trash” four times in his post?

This is “another fine example” of why we need “real change” in this country. I am not surprised, but continue to be thoroughly disgusted by the depths in which “groups,political parties, and individuals” will not only LIE, but incite cultural division. Truly, truly appalling…....

There are still “unfortunately” people in “our” country that continue to promote racism…..those are the people who should be put in jail. There should be a law…..advocate racism…go directly to jail.

My oh my.

Every now and again some nincumpoop comes along and proves Republican leadership’s carefully held belief, that their constituancy is really, really dumb.

The first dead giveaway to the police, must have been the makeup used to create the black eye. Apparently she was willing to carve herself in the face [that had to hurt] but not willing to punch herself in the eye. Duh ... what a maroon!

And just suppose she didn’t actually carve that B backwards. Maybe she thought backwards was the right way.

My oh my.

So sad and down right criminal to see the extent of how McCain’s “white trash” supporters would go out of their way to fake such acts and blame them on blacks. However, this is not the first incident of this type nor it would be the last. I recall two other recent incidents of “white trash” killing their own children and families and going on to report that blacks were the perpetrators. I am sure if one was to research this issue, their would be material to fill in the pages of a thick volume.

What worries me most is the idea of the large number of sick “white trash” who, as I write, are thinking about evil ways to prevent an Obama’s victory or even plotting ways of assassinating him if he’s elected. And I am afraid that this evil plotting is not limited to few nut “white trash” individuals, but it extends to some who might be considered as heavy weights among the racists and bigots!

Well, well, well, A reverse Tawana Brawley. 
Now we will see how the Far Right Wing Lunatic Fringe Christian Fundamentalists act when one of their own is caught lying about being assaulted and degraded for their beliefs?
This young woman, is without doubt devious and despicable for the actions that she took and for creating a “firestorm” of hatred around the camp of John McCain.
In all my years of watching the political spectrum, the Far Right, Right, Moderates and Liberals, no one has had the audacity to charge a fictitious person with a crime to get the attention shifted away from the issues and onto the personalities that are the backbone of our new electoral system. This kind of thing will happen with more and more regularity, until we the people put a stop to the charade that is the election of a president and go backwards to a time when it was ideas and reasoning that were debated and not personalities.
America, is not looking for a slick, Madison Ave. parody of a president, we are not looking for a V.P. that is able to shuffle off to Buffalo, what we are looking for is substance behind the facade. Something that says, I have a vision, a dream, to return to the people the power of governance and the ability to approach the Congressmen and women without fear of being rejected by these people for not having enough money to enrich their campaign coffers.
We need a fundamental shift in the power structure elite, we are no longer satisfied with the status quo and are surely looking for a better form of governance than we have had for the last almost 30 years.
Deregulation, of markets, professions, banking and other vital industries has ruined the very fabric of our society, for it is only the wealthy and elite, that can get “face time” with a candidate nowadays.
This needs to change and rapidly, we cannot long suffer the slings and arrows of the discontent of the people, for if the elite do not listen, then there will be a revolution of the socialist kind, where the people take back the power that is rightfully theirs.
Government is not of, by and for the corporations, but of, by and for the people. This must be again the operative motive of the country or we will overthrow the ruling elite, and seize the power that has been taken from us by a few elite families and show them the door.
How do I draw this analogy, from a scared 20 year old young woman, she and her family are part of the power structure that exists and she should be shown the door from the university that she has been attending. Why, you ask? The reason is she has tainted herself and painted herself with the broad brush of a liar, so that she could prove a false political point.  This does not enable her to function in a society where class and skin colour are no longer an issue.
But this is the level of political discourse in America today. We are now faced with an uncertain future, due to people like this.  Who work deceptively behind the scenes, to shake the very foundations of our democracy, and leave in its wake and broken and lifeless shell, which supports an elite few and leaves the rest of the country out in the cold.

Does this say any thing about the mentality of the supporters for mooseturd/mcshame?And was this[just maybe] PLANNED to make “the Dems”[OBAMA] look bad….And the lying little B GOT CAUGHT…...

Gee Ya think this gal decided to pick a Black man out of thin air as her alleged assilant?
About as likely a coincidence as Mac’s zealots yelling ‘Traitor’ Terrorist’ ‘Hang Him’ ‘Off with his head’and of course the real revelatory ‘Arab’ ‘Muslim’.
these people don’t have Terrets, nor Likely to yell such thing in the streets.
Granted there is a sociopathic tendency with the Neo Con’s followers,But is amazing (and indictiative to the cause) is the Liberty they feel to express such backward ass shit. Mac has emboldened them, thus making them far more dangerous then mere closet racists.
Where has the Worst Domestic terrorist been spawned from..the Socially Religious conservative Radical
Timothy McVey & the Michigan Militia
ProLifers who bomb clinics,assasinate MD’s and blew off a Pipebomb in the middle of the Atlanta Olympics
AndLet us not forget those ‘End of Dayers’ Jones, HeavenGate, Waco, and Charlie Manson and the Family.
Mac has not only given these psychologically unbalanced groups a voice again, he’s Ignited and Vindicated them in nearly Every Speech!
What has John McCain done to extinguish these volitile segments, absolutely nothing. Sarah pours more fuel ont heflames by claiming certian parts of the country are Anti American!Such intential disconnect from the majority is Begging for a ‘Lil guy Retaliation’- exactly the type of tactics wich are called Terrorist when done by foreign groups and has been used to describe the ‘60’s radical in Retrospect
I have no doubt John mcCain does not hold their twisted world view, nor hold them in any regard..but if they had him the presidency he’ll consider it all worth the cost.Leaving this country in more discourse then when he entered the race!
Leaders Bring diverse Groups together and are able to contain and control them….John McCain has proven he can do Neither!

It’s nice to see that us yunsers here in the ‘berg now have our own sort of reverse Tawanna Brawley situation.(minus the dog crap, and MC rev Al Sharpton)
Do you suppose Matt Drudge will appologize for spreading this lie like wildfire, or just hope beyond hope that Barry rapes a white woman while wearing an american flag as a turbin and setting a bible on fire with a cuban cigar?

I realize it is easy to say now, but I was highly suspicious about her claim the moment I heard it. The whole thing just sounded highly improbable. 

I have seem some pretty offensive bumper stickers, like one with Obama’s picture and the words “It’s like asking the paper boy to run the Newspaper” that might prompt a confrontation, but someone being physically assaulted over a simple McCain sticker seemed far-fetched.

What this idiot did is worse than the people stealing campaign signs, because she actually wasted considerable police time on a false crime report.  I hope the judge has a backbone and she isn’t able to cry her way out of some actual jail time.