@Folktruther

To be fair I do not know Dr. Knowitall to be an imperialist and an economic elitist, though I do get that drift from both Obama and McCain. Having studied my country’s history in depth, it is my opinion that the American people had it best when they could own their own small shops, participate in mechanic and artisan guld, and owned farm land. The era of the mass man and woman has been devastating to our economic freedom and our civil liberties. Reliance on government though a necessary evil for millions of Americans leaves them with a government that is overly prone to supervise and dictate to them. To look for solutions from government has only given cause for disappointment. Perhaps some sort syndicalistic anarchy could be achieved by some sort
of direct employee ownership. We have two major wings of “political philosophy” attached to the same bird. But the general agenda has been the same: private-public partnerships, centralization of government and business, diminution of individualism as a major force, obscurantism in technology and innovation, and declining intelligence of the masses. We have had free trade as a driving force since WWII. These trends have remained unchallenged for a long time. People like Phyllis Schafley and Dennis Kucinich have common ground on the economic war against the middle as regards free trade.

I feel that the polarization of left and right makes it hard to be truthful on the universal axioms. I am weary of fanatics who find fit to call me a reactionary right winger or if I were to post at Free Republic a terroristic liberal.

The latest attack came from some Obama fanatic who saw fit to attributing the words of another poster to my own.
I think you know who this person is.

DR. Knowitall, let me assure you that I am not running for president.  I am not campaigning to get elected, so I am free to tell people such truth as I am certain of. 

Such as that you are a militarist and economic elitist who wants to continue the trajectary that the Buhsites have initiated historically in their political counterrevolution. 

Which Obama will also do if elected, as he has amply demononstrted by supporting the bailout swindle for bankers, is for INCREASING the military and its wars, and has voted, against his express promose, for spying on the American population.

When Obama is in office, it will be necessary to oppose him as he increases class inequality, war, and a bipartisan police state.  But this opposition must occur in organs not dominated by political values such as yours.  But what political values will unite the progressive population has not been determined, since historically we are in a periord of ideological transition.

It is contrinbuting to the resolution of this ideological transition that I am interested in.  Which I am sure you would oppose whatever it turns out to be.

@Paracelsus

“What I see from Obama is that he drawing on similar establishment gargoyles. I don’t see how we can reverse NAFTA, GATT, the China trade treaties, and the forward momentum toward the North American Union with the same types of people. I don’t see how we can have a humble foreign policy with Brzezinski on board. With Biden on board, I don’t see how we can expect the imposed police state of the past 8 years being reversed. I am afraid that vast numbers of voters are deluded if they can avoid more of the same by voting for more of the same.”

I can’t disagree with you. Yet, I can pose the same question to you with perhaps a possible answer.  I didn’t intend for my ? to folktruther to be taken as rhetorical.  I recognize there are tons of malcontents on the left and have been for a long time.  Nader and DK among the more visible.

Might it not be true that you can have the change you want?  All you have to do is make sure the change YOU want is what the majority wants and that you can convince them to mobilize against the establishment.  If you’re convinced you own the moral or intellectual right and others are wrong, then you have the option to get them to join you by “educating” them.  The more radical your vision, I believe the less apt you are to persuade others to join you.  You can also include in your agenda that the wealthy are wrong and that the only reason their vision prevails is because of the political power of their wealth.

In the case of Obama, I hold out hope that he’s what I’ve called him, “a closet middle classer.”  I’m hoping that because he might deeply side with the plight of the middle class, and because of his intellect, he may use the power of the WH and congress—which could very well be Democratic—to get just a little for working people in this country.  Just a little.  We don’t need much.  Just a little.  A little this term and a little next term.  But the military power of this country and its economic machinery has to go on.  I think that’s a simple fact, no matter how disturbing the have-nots think it is.

@Dr. Knowitall, Ph.D,Ph.D.

The problem with the Obama campaign is the same problem most every Democratic campaign has had for a long time; that is they are all connected to the same think tanks, establishment advisors, and corporate funding sources that guarantee that the status quo stays the same. Usually when important issues are not mentioned by the political process it means that those problems won’t be solved. I have not seen Obama campaign on the unanswered questions of 9-11. I have not heard him through the MSM, campaign against the Homeland Security state. I had been voting Democrat for a long time and it has not solved many problems.

The big problem is that had Obama been a white man, and had the same difficult issues I don’t think I would have gotten so much resistance from some members of this forum.

I remember back in ‘92 when Clinton came to Albuquerque to give a speech at the university, there was heavy security about that made sure students carried no other signs other than Clinton-Gore. This was a university funded by the taxpayers of New Mexico. I has horrified at the bullying involved.

Political campaigns from both monopoly parties have since become heavily scripted and choreographed. Security is also very heavy at these events so as to prevent dissension.

Clinton preached the same “change” message. He was the man from Hope. He was charismatic, and the ladies were attracted to him.

Meanwhile the same establishment troglodytes became part of his administration. How much change can you expect when you have as an advisor, David Gergen? Gergen had served with many Republican administrations.

Al Gore, one of the most conservative Democratic members of the Senate was his VP. I suppose he the Joe Lieberman of the ticket at that time. You can learn about Gore from
Al Gore, A User’s Manual.

What I see from Obama is that he drawing on similar establishment gargoyles. I don’t see how we can reverse NAFTA, GATT, the China trade treaties, and the forward momentum toward the North American Union with the same types of people. I don’t see how we can have a humble foreign policy with Brzezinski on board. With Biden on board, I don’t see how we can expect the imposed police state of the past 8 years being reversed. I am afraid that vast numbers of voters are deluded if they can avoid more of the same by voting for more of the same.

Folktruther, Right, and Bush/Cheney never uttered the word “OIL” in its Iraq war rhetoric. 

What would be your message/agenda as POTUS candidate? Do you think it would resonate with voters and the controlling class enough to garner sufficient support to win?  Are you sure, because there’s not a whole lot of room for error in a presidential campaign?

More directly, how would you, as Obama’s campaign strategist, reconfigure his campaign from top to bottom and his agenda, and still win the WH?

Since it’s been proven time and again that there’s no place in this country for a viable 3rd party candidate, doesn’t it seem reasonable to “work within the system” if you want to accomplish anything at all?  Do you think it’s possible to accomplish anything favoring the working/middle class while “working within the system?”

Obiden may not acknowledge “the elephant in the room” that voters in landslide numbers see, but some things, you just don’t talk about—if you want to get elected, that is.  This election is clearly about race and class but you stay away from it in your campaign. It’s a little sensitive.

Look, friends, for Obiden to challange the Bushite counter revolution, they first have to acknowledge that it occurred.  This the Dems have not done.  The pretense in the mass media and mainstream electoral process is the US in 2008 is like the same power system in 2000. 

The Dem convention did not emphasize, or even mention, that a counterrvolution had occurred.  Just as the Roman Empire retained the trappings of the Republic drained of power.

This counter revolution was signaled first not by stealing the 2000 election, but by impeaching Clinton for banging his secrertary or whatever it was. (I don’t have a TV so I’m fuzzy on the details; I realize that enquiring minds want to know.)  The impeachment of Clinton for some minor misdemeanor, and the unnanimity of the Gops in the face of public dissapproval,  indicated that something out of the ordinary was up.

What they were really pissed about was Clinton’s refusal to go the military route in imposing neoliberalism,  he prefering to rely on economic coercion.  But the Dems hopped on the violence bandwagon after the 9/11-antrax homicide shocked the country.  And endorsed Freedom Fascism.  Government by corporate coercion.

This cannot be changed without mobilizing the population.  And the American population can’t be mobilized until the people realize how that are being screwed by a predatory American power system. 

So there can’t possibly be any fundamental change if othe power constraints remain exactly the same.

Obama can inspire the young new to the power process, and does, and lots of people can send him small amounts of money, but the Big Money is switching from Bush to Obama.  And their ideology has not fundamentally changed.

How can Obama polarize a racist country to effect counter Bushite changes?  The only Dem that could would have been Edwards, and he was starved of funds.  Obiden is put into place to serve the third term of Bush in a more intelligent and responsible way.  And that 150 million dollars indicates that the rich trust him to do just that.

Electing Obama will put a non-Anglo in the presidency for the first time and prevent an unstable militarist who may be dying from occupying it.  But otherwise, he representss the Change You Can’t Believe In.

http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=179260

Police arrested 250 anti-war protesters on Thursday shortly before John McCain accepted the Republican presidential nomination at the party’s convention a short distance away.

The peaceful protest, dubbed “No Peace for the Warmakers,” drew nearly 1,000 people who had planned to march to the downtown convention hall where the Republicans met.

Marchers chanted “Who is the terrorist? McCain is the terrorist” as they tried to cross several bridges that span Interstate 94 into downtown St. Paul, but were blocked by police.

After several standoffs, police in riot gear ordered the protesters to disperse. The group marched away from the convention, at one point trying to walk onto the highway.

Officers used flash grenades and teargas after two hours to herd them onto a bridge one mile from
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the convention hall.

“You are all under arrest,” a police officer told the crowd as officers on horseback and bicycles advanced.

While McCain spoke to a cheering Republican crowd downtown, police escorted the handcuffed protesters onto waiting city buses.

The 250 arrests followed 420 at several protests earlier in the week. Several journalists were among those arrested.

“At some point even a journalist has to recognize that they are in violation of the law and they have to make a decision—are they going to get arrested or are they going to cover it from a distance?” St. Paul Police spokesman Tom Walsh said at the scene.

Walsh said most would be cited for unlawful assembly and released. One person was found with a semiautomatic pistol, for which he had a permit, and others were found with bags of feces, he said.

“The processing room in our building smells like a bathroom in a cheap bar,” Walsh said.

In a separate earlier incident on Thursday, roughly 60 people were arrested after they sat down in an intersection.

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The monopoly party system is cracking down on free speech.

There is either free speech for everyone or no one has free speech.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?5th-Grader-Suspended-for-Wearing-Anti-Ob=1&blockID=65708&feedID=1198

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September 24, 2008

AURORA, Colorado—A 5th grader says he was suspended for wearing an anti-Obama t-shirt to school.

11 year old Daxx Dalton says he had every right to wear the homemade t-shirt, which read “Obama is a terrorist’s best friend”, under the first amendment.

Dalton says that his right to free speech was trampled on when school officials at the Aurora Frontier school suspended him.

Students were asked to show their patriotism by wearing red, white and blue to school.

The boy’s father, Dann Dalton, says the school made a major mistake suspending his son and his is threatening legal action against the school district.

According to the boy’s father, Daxx was given the choice of changing his t-shirt, turning the shirt inside out, or being suspended.

Daxx chose to be suspended.

Daxx’s father is encouraging his son to stand up for what he believes in and claims that his son’s rights were violated.

Aurora Public Schools refuses to discuss the case but the district says it “respects a students’ right to free speech, such as the right to wear specific clothing,” but administrators say they reserve the right to review any situation that disrupts the learning process.

The school district also claims that Daxx Dalton was not suspended for wearing the t-shirt, but for willful disobedience and defiance.

Six Iraqi War veterans were assaulted and brutalized at a McCain-Obama debate. They were unable to ask their questions.

http://www.nepawearechange.org/drupal/node/444

This is strange. A security guard asserts that the public school district owns private property. This happens 6 minutes into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7mEWexqFfI

Folktruther, I should think it would be very difficult to be a congressperson, even more difficult, POTUS.  Wouldn’t DK confirm that difficulty?  He’s an Idealist among realists, which is one reason why he gets nowhere with the impeachment resolution, for example.  Among other things, house dems. and Pelosi were afraid of how proceeding with the res. might impact the election.  The risk wasn’t worth it, in spite of how DK or even you or I might have felt about its importance to our constitution and the judicial process. 

I believe the way for idealism to become reality is
for enough idealists to act, as they have done in the Obama campaign, not just with contributions but with volunteering.  I haven’t seen such mobilization of voters since the 60’s.  I heard Colin Powell today say we need a generational change.  Obama has ignited a fire under the youth of this country.  McCain, had he been smart, would have done that.

The figures I’ve seen indicate millions of small contributions to the Obama campaign.  This is significant. 

Deep down, I’m really a TAO Walker, and I have great respect for his philosophy.  But I made the choice probably 50 years ago to be a player and a part of this “masquerade,” fighting it all the way.  Then, about a year ago, I found I was beginning to set aside my idealism, maybe because of a glimpse of my own mortality.

There are no doubt, as some people have attested, other great places in the world to live.  I doubt any are much better than the USA with all its faults.  I still think this country is worth “saving” form the likes of Bush/Cheney and I want to believe in my heart that Obama believes that, too, and is committed to getting to work.

One more thing, the kids I’ve had the privilege of teaching and helping, K-college, in cities and small towns the last 35+ years have inspired me.  They are certainly worth trying to preserve/restore the promise of this country.  I think Obama also believes that.  Whatever we leave for them, we have to hope that they will leave it even better for their children and anyone else in the world who comes here for the promise. 

Never before had I contributed to a political campaign.  This year I did and I think there might be many, many like me.  It’s going to be a long, long time before this country will elect and tolerate a Bush/Cheney again.  I know we’re experiencing a Perfect Storm.

Money = Power.

Glad to know that Pelosi and Reid will be running this country. We are doomed to fail with this treo and might as well get it over quickly.

The dream world that Dr Knowitall is living in a consequence of the power delusions that he wishes to identify with.  That $150 million is attributed to an “Average” of less than $100 a piece.  “Average” is a very ambiguous concept, although not for people determined to Look On The Bright Side.

Would that be modal figure, with half the contributions above and half below, allowing a relative few contributes of hundreds of thousands of dollars make up the total?

If 99 people contributed ten dollars a pience and one person contributed ten million, the vast majority of contributions would come from those who could afford it least, as the good Dr maintains.  But whose interests do you suppose would be promoted by Obama.  And this could occur when most of the contributers were students or retired people.

The population have to learn to distrust the Dem truthers who are consciously or unconsciously deluding us about power relations.  The interests of people must be based on reality, not the devious circumlocutions of the Educated who suck up to power.
Including Dem power.

@ Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD;

My point is it’s never to late to change.  Where this is life; there is possibility.

@ Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD;

You’re effervescent optimism is a constant inspiration to me.  How do you do it?  But; I’m not sure your optimism will float me to the goal line.  I’m in my 6th decade (god knows, I never thought I’d make it this far) but never the less, here I am!  I’m questioning the very roots of my being.  The very root of our existence; as Americans under our constitution!  Torture? Domestic surveillance?  Secret Rendition?  Suspension of habeus corpus?  Listen to Tao Walker; he has some answers.  The path is not what you think and the way is not normal.  A new way of thinking is in order and we’re both on a learning curve…once again…life offers many opportunities; but only to those willing to see.

It remains entertaining how the mental gimps(Repugnantcans) in this country somehow retain some psychotic delusion that they are THE GOOD GUYS.
They are not THE GOOD GUYS. They wear the BLACK HATS of selfishness and greed. They are THE BAD GUYS morally and ethically speaking.
Every good thing that has ever been done in this country, for workers, citizens and the environment has been advanced by the forces of GOOD(The Liberal Agenda).Those that wear the White Hats of wisdom, intelligence, and compassion.
Every bad thing that has been perpetrated on workers, citizens, and the environment has been advanced by the forces of EVIL(The CONSERVATIVE Agenda).
Waxworks and his Psychotic sidekick will be defeated by the true Superheroes of the story. The people will rise up, the conservative REIGN of TERROR, The Dark Ages are near over. A new ENLIGHTENMENT nears. Have faith all you intelligent clear thinking people. This country will survive and prosper, in spite of the REPUGNANTCANS, and their attempts to steal votes and disrupt the free exersize of the electoral process only reveal how self destructive they truly are.
Oh and let me just say…
Bobscat,meatpuppet,Gabemac,Vkberlin are obviously wearing Dark Hats.

Fahrenheit 451, look at it this way.  The huge amount of $$ donated by people who can least afford to give it speaks to the class issue of this campaign.  I think this is a revolution.  Obama will likely win, because millions of people spoke with their hard-earned money, something the wealthy have always done to win control of our government. 

I’ve said for years that I don’t know why the middle class doesn’t understand the potential power in its numbers alone and now, I’m beginning to think it does.

This is only a beginning.  Now, we have to work, work, work, to keep the democratic party, which has to work within the confines and restrictions of our government, working for the middle class. I think they know their future depends on their performance in adhering to democratic ideals.  We all see what happened to the Republican party.

C’mon back Fahrenheit 451.

Well, as whats his name says; holy shit!  This campaign is truly obscene!  And, it effectively condemns us to a total lack of say in who governs us.  There will never be another independent candidate; our fate has been sealed!  Democracy died an ugly death in 2008.  Do not RIP!!!