re: Hesperion

Yes it is remarkable that the Republicans are intent on convincing the great unwashed, that it is their solemn duty to be the champions for the filthy rich. You can not make this crap up.

My immediate reaction to this “Joe the Plumber” stunt was revulsion. I instinctively knew he was planted that day to “confront” Obama. A thorough listening to that entire encounter will show you that what “Joe” and the McCain campaign has said since has born NO resemblance to the conversation that ACTUALLY took place. Here’s the present sense I have of the “Joe” stunt: The Republicans (representing the ruling class, NOT the rest of us) are subtly reminding us of our place. *****

“YOU are ‘______the job-title’, get back to work and let us run things like we have been. You ungrateful pipsqueaks are just servants and we will hire you to do work on our 13 houses, if you’re lucky (WE have no idea how to do any work ourselves) and YOU will shut up and like it! Got that? Now, get back to work! How DARE you try and get your own president. We will do everything we can to exploit what WE imagine are your fears, prejudices and ignorance so we can remain in control. If that doesn’t work we will prevent you from voting and tamper with the voting machines to hang on to power. Don’t forget WE have the military and you have seen we aren’t afraid to use it to get our way.” Signed, The Filthy Rich.

****** This is what the “Joe the Plumber” stunt revealed to me.

PatrickHenry, October 19 at 6:06 am #

What’s with republicans and plumbers?
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(chortle!)

ROFLMAO!

That never even occurred to me!

Good one, PH!

What’s with republicans and plumbers?

I am the beer doctor and I approved this message:

“I am not really a plumber, but I play one on TV.”

Considering the excessive times Joe-the-Plumber’s name was invoked during the last debate, and further considering the thousands of times the so-called media pundits invoked his name after the debate and as late as Saturday night, October 18, I am inclined to believe that Joe-the-Plumber is the real winner of the debate and the election in general.

Now McCain and Obama, whoever wins the election, should give Joe-the-Plumber the contract to fix the White House plumbing problem, for I happened to believe that the White House plumbing must have gone terribly bad lately that the pipes started to ooze some intoxicants that adversely affect the mental judgment of the White House occupant!

This way Joe-the-Plumber gets to realize his American dream with this hefty contract and the occupant of the White House might be saved the harmful intoxicants! A win-win-situation!

re: KDelphi

Joe the plumber is just the latest cynical gimmick to pop out of the McCain team. It is amazing how total the contempt McCain/Palin has for the American people. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of their work.

Stop insulting people who live in trailer parks. More and more people cannot afford a house or apt.

We need to lay off this guy—right?

OK—one more. How do you circumcise a redneck? Kick his sister in the teeth———-STOP!! (you reminded me of this one)Actually it would be his first cousin—Oww!

We really need to stop this.

But, he is the one who has made “celebrity” out of it. He could call the cops and make the cameras leave.

Next, he’ll be on Dancing with the Stars or something. Him and Britney.

We really need to stop this…right? Cheap thrills

Just another example of reasons to not have sex with your sister. I can’t believe this skin head referred to Obama as Sammy Davis Jr. How do people like this get out of trailer parks anyway.

re: Louise

Plumber Joe reminds me of the Bob Dylan song “Only a pawn in their game”.

thebeerdoctor;

I have heard what Sam/Joe had to say about Social Security. Consider the source and the family and the place he be. Even real morons can be helped to understand help, when they’ve worked themselves into a corner. And that is what our plumber wannabee has done. So I repeat, someone needs to try and ‘splain things to him. Coupled with some good advice and a little help, he might see the light. I suspect there are a lot of folks who feel the same way about Social Security, in ALL the party’s, particularly those libertarians. They will quickly change their minds when they find out Mom and Dad are moving in. Actually be screaming for MORE Social Security!

Poor Joe/Sam.

Like I said, he perfectly demonstrates the disconnect between the wealthy few and the working poor republicans. After he’s been bashed around a few more times by the media, maybe he’ll do a little soul searching. ‘Cause he sure wont be seeing any help from his better off relatives.

SamSnedegar—Why dont you lay off Edwards? I dont like what he did,mainly because of Elizabeth’s illness. I also did not like what Obama supporters said about her when she criticized Obama’s heatlh care plan. (at Daily Kos) But, Edwards’ affair is strictly a family matter.

The gOP does not long castigate its members who engage in affairs—even when it is littel boys!! I just think that that is their personal busines. If we dont say it is, we run the risk of runing down the “impeach Clinton” road again. I am not excusing it, I jsut do not think it is particularly helpful. Apparently, neither does the GOP.

I think we should say, who gives a rats ass about joe/sam the (non) plumber.

Now , he’ll be on American Idol or something…gawd.

“...So Joe [or Sam] go get a good attorney! [A democrat one]...”

I believe John Edwards may be free for legal work—-that is unless he is too busy wick-dipping or getting his hair styled.

This is typical of McCain: he lies, and then keeps on lying as if repitition is all the lie needs to become the truth. Indeed, that is a Republican trait and has to be done if they are ever to win election and reelection, because telling the actual truth would court disaster and keep them or remove them from office.

KDelphi, October 16 at 7:37 pm #

OTW—I saw your post too—I dont remember all of it. I hzave no fricking idea where it went.

But I do remember—it was one of the first ones, right?

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Yeah, it was the first one.

Joe the Plumber is clearly a patsy, even if he is a plant.  He’s 34, probably barely made it out of HS, and now he’s an expert on Social Security, which he won’t need for 30 years.  How is he an expert? He got his talking points off Fixed Noise!

re: Louise

Perhaps you would not feel so compassionate if you heard “Joe’s” remarks about Social Security. “Its a total joke,” the bald headed contractor scoffed.
Ignorance is one thing. Stupidity another. Stupidity is cultivated ignorance.

I’m going to come at this a different way, I think. Sam/Joe is a victim, in every sense of the word. Like a lot of folks trapped in the tradition of family republicanism, he’s probably heard all of his life “taxes” are the enemy. In his case it seems they are. Is that because he chose NOT to pay them, as many do. Or he couldn’t pay them as many cant.

This obviously bothers him, or he wouldn’t have gone forward and put a tax question to Obama. And little wonder he would see Obama as owing him an explanation, given the endless and deliberate misinformation he’s been buried in, courtesy McCain-Pain.

So he asked in innocence and that sneaky McCain decided to make Joe/Sam’s dilema an object to use for personal political gain. That’s oh, so republican.

McDim, er, Cain never bothered to find out the true nature of Sam/Joes dilema, or he would have realized using him could make it worse. And I rather suspect if it hasn’t yet, it will.

The Obama camp hopefully will move beyond telling us, under his plan Joe/Sam will do better, and tell HIM ... in PERSON ... how to get out of the mess he’s in, and where to go if he truly wants to follow that dream. You don’t have to have a plumbers license to own a plumbing business. But having tax liens and no down payment could be a problem.

What I want to know is the boss’s business even for sale? I hope Sam/Joe doesn’t lose his job because of repub exploitation. And, I hope he brings a lawsuit against McCain for using him without his permission. Maybe he can make enough to settle ALL his problems. So Joe [or Sam] go get a good attorney! [A democrat one]

Now, I had a relative much closer than the in-law of a cousin who was a crook. A real honest to goodness blood relative who was an embezzler. But folks, that does not me an embezzler make. The Keating connection could have led McCain to Joe/Sam, but I doubt it ... Mc doesn’t dig that deep. Besides it would hurt him worse than help. And he certainly would have got his last name right, which he didn’t. Just another sloppy job of schlep, courtesy McCain. If anything, the Wurzelbacher/Keating connection is just one more example of the disconnect between the wealthy few and the working poor majority who populate the republican party.

OTW—I saw your post too—I dont remember all of it. I hzave no fricking idea where it went.

But I do remember—it was one of the first ones, right?

I have read on the web news in the last 18-20 hours where John McCain has called for 30,000 civilian troops to be ready for any problems that may arise here at home. Sounds ominous that John feels so threatened, or is this the October surprise we keep hearing about? A suspending of the elections? I know that in Michigan they have deleted names of registered voters in “error” and those of us trying to find out if our names are still on the roles are running into opposition from the Sec. of State offices employees. BTW the Sec. of ST. Terri Land is a Repug-who would have guessed.

I would not put anything underhanded to be done by the current party to steal yet a third election in a row one way or another, and Bush/Cheney have planned this long ago and even have laws drawn up to continue their reign of terror even if they have to orchestrate a disaster inside the U.S. to start the ball rolling.

When it comes to Republicans, the words: Trust No One, comes to mind, mainly because of their past history.

As for Joe the 6-pack plumber not, he earns about $40,000.00 a year and hasn’t paid his income taxes since Jan 2007. So much for the newest farce by the repugs to draw attention elsewhere.

Where did my post go? It was the first post and obviously other people read it….so where did it go?

Diamond writes:

“What people should really be worried about is that the Republicans are busily planning to steal the election again and have a brigade of troops on standby to deal with anyone who has a problem with that. Forget Joe, he’s just another distraction from the real game..”

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Diamond, you’re so right on the dime here, (the planned theft and the troops standing by to deal with anyone who has a problem) and it scares the living shit out of me. 

I just don’t think that ‘we the people’ are going to swallow another theft, and I hate to think of what will happen this time. Moineau feels like the people are ready to rumble now, and I don’t see a way to avoid that. At this point, it’s definitely a matter of ‘when you’ve lost it all, there’s little or nothing else to lose’, and a brigade or two isn’t gonna make things anything more than worse. My own guess is that more than a few are being readied.

As for the real game, my own suspicions tell me that they simply didn’t plan on the economic ponzi scheme crashing in free fall, quite this soon. (and definitely not before the election) In fact, in W’s own words of a couple of weeks ago, he wanted to know if they could “Just say everything was fine.” Yeah right. Kinda like standing over someone who’s just been shot in the chest and is bleeding out, and telling her or him that ‘everything is fine,’ like they don’t know they’re dying.

It provides good insight on how Mccains shoot from the hip examples as “Joe the Plumber” have the same aim as Dick Cheney.

Blog comment found @ Washington Post:
AH, the plot thickens. Word on the street is that Joe the Plumber is related to McCain’s blast from the past, Charles Keating!
You see, Keating’s son-in-law, Robert Wurzelbacher, is “Joe the Plumber” Wurzelbacher’s cousin. And Robert Wurzelbacher was an executive of American Continental Corporation, the parent company of Charles Keating’s Lincoln Savings. That’s the bank which caused citizens to lose their life savings and cost U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. As part of that scandal, Robert Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty to three counts of misapplying $14 million and served 40 months in prison. Robert now lives in Cincinatt.

Inherit—I agree. Who knows, McCain might have forgotten—it just doesent matter.

“Owning a plumbing business” dose not make you a “plumber”—but, $250,000 a year does make you rich!

$150,000 a yr. puts you in the 95th quintile. Its true. So, when McCain said, “Youre rich!” it was true!

Do you guys really believe that this guy is going to vote anything but neo-conservative, anyway? I saw the tape—the body language. When Obama touched his shoulder—he backed up and folded his arms. That is “protecting himself”. He is probably not used to being touched by any male (esp. his father), but, especially not a Af. Am. male. That is just what I saw.

Oy vey! Hell with Joe the non-plumber!

Yes, inherit the wind, you’ve hit the nail on the head (sorry)! I can tell you now if I was making $250,000 a year (a quarter of a million, lest we forget) I would happily pay my taxes and say ‘Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir’. This Joe/Sam person (his surname means rootstream in German - if that is his name)is obviously a Republican stooge put in the crowd to talk to Obama and speak up for ‘the little guy’ who, of course, needs protection from Obama but not from the people who have devasted America from top to bottom leaving only a ruin for the Democrats to try to rebuild. After two terms of Democratic struggle to right the ship, the Republicans will create some scandal, the American voter will show that amnesia is the national illness and throw the Democrats out. At this point the Republicans will do it all again, thereby proving that they’re the ones who gave America amnesia in the first place because they carry the virus in their body politic. Joe/Sam is a fraud and so are the Republicans. They are liars, conmen and cheats - and they’ll never change. That’s the message Joe really brings. What people should really be worried about is that the Republicans are busily planning to steal the election again and have a brigade of troops on standby to deal with anyone who has a problem with that. Forget Joe, he’s just another distraction from the real game