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McCain Booed at Rally for Calling Obama ‘Decent’

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Posted on Oct 10, 2008
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Republican presidential candidate John McCain arrives at a rally in La Crosse, Wis., on Friday.

Looks like John McCain is attempting to put a lid on the hostility directed at his rival, Barack Obama, during McCain-Palin rallies, but some of the Republican presidential candidate’s supporters aren’t happy with this suggested change of tone.


The Huffington Post:

“[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,” he said, before adding: “If I didn’t think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn’t be running.”

The crowd groaned with disapproval.

Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama’s “other-ness” and again he refused to play ball. “I don’t trust Obama,” a woman said. “I have read about him. He’s an Arab.”

“No, ma’am,” McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. “He’s a decent, family man, [a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign is all about.”

At another point, McCain declared, “If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” Supporters booed then also. “I don’t mean that has to reduce your ferocity,” McCain responded. “I just mean to say you have to be respectful.”

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By Leefeller, October 14, 2008 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

From what I understand the Acorn missteps have been announced and corrected by Acorn.  So the hype is just like the constant prattle of Ayres in our faces, they make it sound like Obama was lighting the fuses for Ayres.  Substance is something McCain cannot deal with for he agrees with Obama on everything, except Iran?

Hemi:  Thanks for the blessing, for I have never sinned. Oh, yeah once when I thought Snow White was hot, when I was 13 at Disneyland.  Of course that means I had association with the wicked witch and also their is the connection with apples, which I also like on occasion.

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By Shenonymous, October 14, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

The value of innuendo and holdiing Huffington Post as the authority, how about, then, another article from:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/obama-camp-debunks-voter_n_131686.html

A beautiful example of a variation on the ad hominem fallacy called guilt by association.  A supreme exercise in how to condition the ears and mind of an unsuspecting public. 

This is rough riding and the problem is, it is a dead horse and a way to divert the attention away from America’s totally failed economy (uh, make that fu*ked economy).  What kind of page turning is possible with crap like this going on?

Hemi*:  Please let me know where “Whose says winners have to turn the page?” fits in the Obama vision for the next four years? Where does reeming out John McCain fall? Before or after addressing the financial crisis? Every hour on the hour? 24/7?

The four-year Obama planbook can be found at his website, and I’m sure it won’t be easy to turn any of the pages with a congress that has a 50/50 Senate and a slight Democratic majority in the House.  Maybe that isn’t the kind of page-turning you meant.  Never mind, I will take a $100 bet President Obama will not get too many of his promises through Congress.  I think a President McCain would have a similar problem. Does that make their programs void and just demagogic rhetoric?  Probably, if they know their programs do not have a half-assed chance of being implemented because of locking hands in a partisan Congress.  Your questions about fitting and reeming don’t make semantic sense.  Maybe it is rhetorical nonsense?  The financial crisis will be history by January swearing in, and only the ashes of the financial world left to be shoveled up.  Okay.  I give up.  Except, in what book does it say winners have to capitulate to losers, or should?  Reemings out are part of the political process.  If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the fu*king kitchen, or something like that.

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By Hemi*, October 13, 2008 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

I bless you Lee!

Wait, I’ll use my big blessing voice.

I BLESS YOU LEE!


You know we gods are here to please Shenonymous.

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2008 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

Ach, Würden welche Gott bitte segnen Leefeller?  Oh, would some god please bless Leefeller?

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2008 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

no, no, no…if there is dark matter on any of the candidates the public has a right to know.  The scales of justice are blind, if anybody cares to look.  They have to explain or absolve themselves even of any appearance of wrong doing.  If there are any indictments and convictions then that shows some shade of a problem.  If not, then we have to shrug our shoulders because with any politician, there are bound to be people of questionable ethics involved.  I never chase my own tail, and wink wink preferring others to do that.  Also preferring to be progressive, but if you enjoy doing that, go right ahead.  It has to be therapeutic for some of you.  And what with the price of gas these days. 

The principle of moral rightness comes to mind first with respect to turning pages and reemings out.  And with Einstein, let us bow to relativity and to the degree anything fits.

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By Leefeller, October 12, 2008 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

When it comes to names,  ah—- ah—“Rezko”  “Rezko” ,  god bless you!

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By Hemi*, October 12, 2008 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Please let me know where “Whose says winners have to turn the page?” fits in the Obama vision for the next four years? Where does reeming out John McCain fall? Before or after addressing the financial crisis? Every hour on the hour? 24/7?

What do you say we just continue chasing our tail?

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By Hemi*, October 12, 2008 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

“What is quite clear after phone conversations, and compiling pages of research and newspapers articles on the subject, is that Mr. Obama made a deal in his mind with someone who became his political godfather because he could make his dreams come true. It’s clear from Rezko’s unwinding problems that Obama either didn’t care how his patron got the money, or ignored it as long as the political contributions and access to others contributions kept coming. Considering Mr. Obama models himself as Mr. Hope and promises that he’ll change politics in Washington, this shouldn’t be a minor part of the Obama story.”

Taylor Marsh, The Huffington Post, January 23, 2008

Please enjoy the entire article, it’s a sweet one and brings a tear to my eye.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obamas-faustian-bargain-_b_82863.html

It is not so amazing half white/half black Obama was actually benefitting personally and politically from a well-known Chicago slum lord. Much more can be exposed and little has been cleared up Shenonymous. Time to move on.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 12, 2008 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

I mean there is no more gorgeous hunk than George Cluny, or my bestest hero George Carlin, and my Uncle George, my favorite.  And by the way, Leefeller, what is your middle name?  Maybe Obama’s relatives won’t like yours either.  Tit for tat.  There are even some men named Adolph and those with last names Hitler.  Guess they had better never run for anything except the bus.  What’s in a name.  I would think the name George would be anathema for eternity among the Iraqis.  Well let’s see, 47 years ago Barack Hussein Obama’s name would not have flickered an eyelash, so whatever his parents were thinking when they named him, Hussein must have been either a family name or a name of pride from someone in their ancestry.
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Well put.  Adolph was a fine old name till that crazy little painter ruined its reputation. It’s a name like Edwulf or Beowolf.  Adolph Marx made you laugh (Harpo Marx).  Adolph Menjou was a consumate actor. Even ‘Dolph Lundgren is an action hero actor.  There’s even Adolph’s meat tenderizer.

I haven’t heard about any Hitlers since the monster.  But Mengele (As in Joseph Mengele, the “Angel of Death” at Auschwitz) is a name still around—his family helped spirit him out of Europe and went on with their family business.

Joe Biden shares a first name with Stalin—so does EVERYONE named Joseph.

However, we DO have a president named George Walker Bush—had he be named George Walker Johnson or George Walker Goldberg or George Walker Buchanan there is NO WAY this cowardly, lazy, sadistic, ignorant, drug-abusing drunk would have been Governor of Texas much less President.

Who cares about a name when it’s just a name and not a connection to anyone?  So his name is Barack Hussein Obama.  So what?  I’m voting for him.

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By Hemi*, October 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

“Obama’s dealings with his hinky friend have never led him afoul of the law, but they show that, despite his high-minded politics, he was no purer—or no savvier—than Illinois’ biggest hacks in his weakness for a generous contributor. He wouldn’t even say no when Rezko cooked up a deal to help the newly elected senator buy a gracious Georgian-revival home.

Rezko, after all, built part of his fortune by exploiting the black community that Obama had served in the state Senate, and by milking government programs meant to benefit black-owned businesses. But Obama took Rezko’s money even after the businessman was sued by the city of Chicago for failing to heat his low-income apartments, and even after Rezko was caught using a black business partner to obtain a minority set-aside for a fast-food franchise at O’Hare Airport.”

Edward McClelland, Salon.com, February 1, 2008

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2008 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Quite frankly Scarlett, I dislike the name George, even though there are some really good men that have to carry it around their necks like an albatross.  I mean there is no more gorgeous hunk than George Cluny, or my bestest hero George Carlin, and my Uncle George, my favorite.  And by the way, Leefeller, what is your middle name?  Maybe Obama’s relatives won’t like yours either.  Tit for tat.  There are even some men named Adolph and those with last names Hitler.  Guess they had better never run for anything except the bus.  What’s in a name.  I would think the name George would be anathema for eternity among the Iraqis.  Well let’s see, 47 years ago Barack Hussein Obama’s name would not have flickered an eyelash, so whatever his parents were thinking when they named him, Hussein must have been either a family name or a name of pride from someone in their ancestry.  Logical, no?  A common practice.  Nothing sinister about it. They obviously didn’t consult the fortune teller for it.

I suppose in comparison between George II and John McCain, McCain would be the better of the two, but neither deserve to be in the White House.  After all thousands of boys went to Vietnam that doesn’t qualify any of them for a job in Washington DC.  There’s even a website: Vietnam War Vets against John McCain? http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/  Now what wonderful things do you suppose he did to deserve that?  Hmmmmm.

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By Leefeller, October 12, 2008 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

I will give you this, Mcain is more worthy to be president than Vietnam evader Bush, at least on a delusional merit.  After all Crash McCain did go to Vietnam, yeah and ; he’s a hero and a maverick,  other words come to mind, but we are in polite company. Skeletons flying out of McCain’s closet like a political cornucopia, should allow, even an insane person not to miss the skunk in front of their nose. Well some of the more insane will mistake it for a skunky beer.  Like paper training a hound of the Baskervills on front headlines,  Sarah the hockypuck   makes some sense running as McCains point, she is running interference?
 
McCains campaign seems flawed beyond comprehension   If McCains campaign is any indication, we should be in store for another 8 years of of the same firm hand on the the tiller.  A pleasant way to look at it, if McCain wins or even more so if Palin takes over,  she will make the last eight years look like a happy dance on the good ship Lollypop. We will sitting around reminiscing about the good old days,  fond memories of the war on terror and other such pleasant memories.

Sure Obama has some baggage,  do not like his name and his middle name, what’s with that?  Just do not know what people are thinking when they name their kids. Obama’s choice of churches is another thing, Reverend Wright reminds me of McCains running mate, what was it?  Seems to have something to do about succeeding from god damn America?

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2008 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

Torment is not something I doubt McCain ever felt.  Well perhaps the one time in his life when tortured, but even there less than the other prisoners because he was the son and grandson of lofty Navy types and the Cong thought they could use him for a trade.  Dangerous to interpret other’s behavior.  Hard to know another’s mind.  But the facts are the facts, cold facts.  His treatment is documented by fellow prisoners.  But torment about anything else.  Not a rat’s ass chance in Velveeta Cheese Hell.

I would not even think it in the zone of likely that Obama would come close to McCain’s ass to kiss.  It might be just the other way around though since McCain has more practice at it.  Whose says winners have to turn the page?  A rather romantic notion of what is justice?  Justice in the world of humans is hard to come by, hard to achieve and often completely forgotten, just ask the Iraqis about the millions that have been killed, wounded permanently, and displaced from their homes, and there are other truly dreadful places in the world.  I bristle at it, how about you?  Tit for tat is one way to negotiate the world, it provides the justice not meted out by just people, who obviously do not exist. 

Who is Obama trying to convince?  How naive.  How about the those on the edge of listening to the racist pigs?  How about those in the world who are on the edge of wondering what a half white/half black man might and could actually do that would be meaningful finally for the most powerful sovereign nation in the world?  And isn’t it amazing Obama half white/half black is actually up in the polls, by double digits in places never thought possible? 

Your just implication that there is impaired soundness to McCain’s candidacy is not enough.  Not only do they have to be listed specifically, but they must be repeated over and over again for the barely conscious voting population.  What does Obama do with the stories about McCain’s reported shortcomings, that is a matter for the political game, tit for tat!  He and we are moving on, onward to November election day for a day in America’s history that could say Americans have earned the meaning of the content of their founding documents.  Nice of you to notice he has risen above the fray.  That is a man of class in a class conscious society.  McCain has no class. 

I’m surprised Larry C. Johnson was even able to restrain himself when he called Obama Brer Rabbit and not the Tar Baby who confessed to “going to extremes” in his rather vicious linking of Obama to Rezko, Ayers, and Khalidi.  Let’s dispense right off the bat with Ayers, since the media has already done the factfinding work for us.  All the politicians have ties and encounters to and with unsavory characters, good grief just think about the exodus of those from the White House in the last eight years. It is downright staggering.  Johnson’s prediction that Obama will enjoy some of the “dirty cash” from Rezko is at this point really dastardly and purposeful out-loud wishful thinking and a sneaky way to defuse the corruption of Mr. McCain and the Keating scandal and his running mate’s stories of corruption in Alaska who already has been condemned by the court there.  Shall we see what kind of justice prevails in those cases?  And the story of Khalidi is told with such vituperation that it no doubt is over-exaggerated for partisan effect.  It remains to be seen, but not yet!  And do look at all sides before concluding said the critical thinking teacher!

And thank you once again Hemi* for allowing all of this to be exposed and cleared up with objectivity.

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By Hemi*, October 12, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

First off I didn’t express that McCain was impressive due to his flying off the handle. That would come under “tormented”. But if I was a little vague in that regard my bad. My opening paragraph was not an apology for McCain and his behavior but more my interpretation of what caused it.

Look, Obama doesn’t have to and likely will not kiss McCain’s ass. That’s not what I’m suggesting he do. The point is at some time a winner needs to turn the page and move forward. McCain is flailing about throwing what little he has left overboard to save his sinking ship. There’s a time to act like a winner. There’s a time to stop the tit for tat. Who is Obama trying to convince at this stage? The hockey moms and the woman stating “Obama scares me, he’s an Arab” are never coming along. I haven’t seen a poll this week that doesn’t have Obama up by over one hundred electoral votes with about one hundred votes up for grabs. This isn’t Bush vs Gore II. If this election is stolen at the eleventh hour we have bigger problems than McCain as president as hard as that might be to believe.

You’ve listed a bushel of McCain’s flaws Shenonymous. Thanks for that. I stated earlier it’s all there to be discovered on the internet. There’s an article currently on Truthdig that calls into question one of his war stories. “Investigating John McCain’s Tragedy at Sea”. What does Obama do with this? Pile on? I think it’s time he moved on and I think he has to a large extent risen above the fray. Obama is not without flaws. He’s just had far less time to build his flawed resume.

“Obama’s untested Achilles heel is his relationship with three men—Tony Rezko, William Ayers, and Rashid Khalidi. These names will become shorthand for Corruption, Terrorism, and the Destruction of Israel.” - Larry C. Johnson on the Huffington Post, February 16, 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/no-he-cant-because-yes_b_87036.html

The Huffington Post is far from Republican friendly. These relationships are gone but not forgotten even by Democrats. If you continue to react to the attacks you give them credence. “Thou dost protest too much.” If the country can still be persuaded into an enormous shift at this time we have bigger problems.

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2008 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

I suppose giving groundless guilt by association charges against Obama’s relationship with William Ayers could be called impressive. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

A sanguine temperament doesn’t wear well on anyone including Hemi* and McCain.  Flying off the handle is not something to be proud of, nor anything to be applauded even if it does reflect one’s own behavior.  Tales of McCain’s temperament fits are many and well documented.  For a list just google: Examples of McCain’s temper.

Then for McCain and Team, a Host of Ties to Gambling try
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=1&hp;&oref;=slogin

Also impressive is McCain’s health plan http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html?scp=13&sq=Herbert’s report on McCain health plan&st=cse
It might be interesting to notice the radical changes that John McCain and Sarah Palin are planning for the nation’s health insurance system: changes that will set in motion nothing less than the dismantling of the employer-based coverage that protects most American families.

And if you like being impressed there is the clarity of how McCain will balance the budget with the increased tax cuts for the wealthy he is promising. 

And also most impressive is this little exhibit:  At a press conference, CNN’s Senior Political Correspondent Candy Crowley asked McCain about his use of the phrase “tar baby,” viewed by some as having racist overtones.  “I hope that it’s not viewed that way,” McCain said. “It was a situation where if I kept going on that I would then be overturning court decisions. I don’t think I should have used that word and it was wrong to do so.”

Then as a woman, I am really impressed with John McCain’s view and treatment of women including dumping his first wife. All his peccadillos, as reported, with women are certainly impressive as much as when he rejected federal funds for victims of sexual assault and domestic violence. While Bush reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act, McCain voted against funding for VAWA as recently as 2007. It was McCain’s second vote against VAWA, as he opposed the first version of this landmark legislation in 1994.  Then there are his nasty jokes about women and apes and in 1992 at a campaign stop calling his wife a cunt was really impressive.

He impresses us with his discrimination when he voted to abolish funding for birth control and gynecological care for low-income women, and against funding for public education on emergency contraception.

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2008 at 3:22 am Link to this comment

Just a few impressive comments on McCain’s record on women’s issues is his skipping to vote on the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, while he had sought to weaken The Family and Medial Leave Act that allows pregnant women to take unpaid maternity leave not offered in the workplace because it would increase cost to business.  The Rolling Stone story of the Vietnam hero Make-Believe Maverick really made an impression. 

If John McCain said “What the f*ck have I done? it would be because he saw he stepped in his own shit.  Some might think that Mr. Obama ought to say more than he already has, even though he has over and over acknowledged with much appreciation McCain’s service to our country.  I am not so sure he ought to thank McCain for setting up the scene where Mr. Obama could be called treasonous, a terrorist, and other heinous imperatives, funded by Palentinians, as being Muslim (which really isn’t a bad thing but the way McCain/Palin put it, there is some racist repugnance overlayed), stupidly giving Mr. Obama’s middle name a negative Middle Eastern association,  But yeah, I think too Mr. Obama ought to be more demonstrative in his appreciation for all of that. 

I think if given even a cursory research one would see that Mr. Obama has tried to speak to “all of us,” not just his constituents.  But the disgusting attack against his character has been a little bit distracting.  He must remain sang froid while Mr. McCain may have his outrageous temper.  Right?  Is that because he is half black and should not show he is really human?  Or is it that Mr. Obama is above the swill of the swine sty?

Hemi*‘s sentiments are so sweet, but maybe a bit too patronizing?  Young soldiers don’t like surrendering either, by the way.  But thank you Hemi* for giving me the opportunity to say all that I’ve said above.  Much obliged.

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By cyrena, October 11, 2008 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

I didn’t realize, Shenonymous, that the pay standards had gotten so low.  In the universities there is now kind of a hiring hall system, and they are now firing tenured professors.  Another indication of a police state which always pays particular attention to the truth industries.

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It’s true Folktruther, and I agree with you here, (because I actually agree with you far more often than you seem to think..which is why I don’t understand you lying on me). Militerism??? Please…

Anyway, you’re right about the signs of a police state. They always attack the intelligensia first. That isn’t the only ‘symptom’ these days. In fact, I’m working on a project these days, that will hopefully lay out far more of these signs of fascism. I’ve been worried though, for several years now, that far too many folks are still not seeing it.

Shenonymous, thanks as usual, for your excellent assistance.

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By Hemi*, October 11, 2008 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

John McCain is both an impressive and tormented man. I think I would be prone to flying off the handle if I had experienced some of the things he has. I think he is power hungry and driven and I think that his family and his country nurtured that in him. It’s very easy for me to say “OK John, calm down, we don’t need you to fight anymore.” At this point in his life I don’t believe he can do that. I think he will stand battle ready as long as he lives.

On the internet we can read about all the skeletons in his closet. He’s done some very unsavory things in his life. He’s also done things in his life that would make anyone proud. I think the worst thing I can and should say about him is that he is a man out of time. He was molded for a different time and despite his desire to be a man of the now he never will be.

With help from Palin he has stirred this hornets’ nest. These crowds and their actions were of his making. I’m certain that McCain’s attitude and tactics were in some part shaped by Bush and his smears against McCain during the 2000 campaign. I think McCain now considers that whatever it takes to win is fair. The end justifies the means.

I am not a McCain supporter. I’ve seen these clips and my take is that while listening to these irate and ignorant people John McCain had a few shining moments of clarity. I don’t think his responses were staged.  I think it was a little bit of “What the f*ck have I done?” (I also think his handlers on hearing his responses immediately thought “What the f*ck has he done?”) Yes, he quickly back slid into fighting rhetoric and his people started breathing again but for those few dazzling moments he let his humanity show. For a few moments he did the right thing.

McCain unwillingly opened the door and let civility creep in. In my opinion Obama could be a little more demonstrative of his appreciation for McCain and how he has served the country. Just a little more than a throwaway line. Both need to start addressing everyone, not simply their own constituents. I think for a moment McCain did just that. Telling his audience “[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,” was a very brave thing to say. Was it just a slip? I don’t know. It almost sounded like surrender to what now seems inevitable. Old soldiers don’t like surrendering. We’ll soon see.

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By Folktruther, October 11, 2008 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

The problem, Troublesum, is not the namecalling or heckling, but the emotional racism underlying it, and the threat of violence by those who may enjoy it.  Shenonymous is quite right here.  Stirring up that right wing crowd is quite dangerous.  People always yell and scream when deciding anything important, but this is a different thing.  this is the yelling and screaming of a lynchmob.

And as you know, I am not an Obiden enthusiest.

I didn’t realize, Shenonymous, that the pay standards had gotten so low.  In the universities there is now kind of a hiring hall system, and they are now firing tenured professors.  Another indication of a police state which always pays particular attention to the truth industries.

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By Shenonymous, October 11, 2008 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

Inasmuch as the election is November and swearing in is January, “next year” is a reasonable answer from either candidate.  Rather than a plan, regardless that all the citizens are screaming for one, if it is so untrustworthy, what would you propose instead, troublesum?  Mindless action like we have had for the last eight years with the administration that had no plan for anything?  I am a social democrat and you are quite right that democrats are socialist animals who promotes social progarms like Social Security, Medicare and other ‘social’ programs.  There is no negative connotation to the word social except as you wish to twist it. 

Americans are fearful because they have been conditioned to be fearful by the politics of fear fed to them by the immoral Republican agenda.  Americans are not taught to think critically which is a whole lot worse than them being ignorant of economic perspectives.  Funny, but the MSM is owned by rich Republicans or Libertarians, which is the real reason the people are misinformed.  Even funnier still is that these MSMs owned by the wealthy are accused of being sympathetic to Democrats.  It is such a stupid accusation but clever as usual to misdirect where the problems lie.

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By ocjim, October 11, 2008 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Hopefully more people will reject McCain and his “Tokyo Rose” Sarah Pallid.

Now miring himself in the dumpster of derision, John McCain is emerging as a reprehensible scoundrel, and his sidekick, Sarah Palin, as an opportunistic dolt.

Both are cheerleading crowds into a frenzy. Some of the crowds are sad and hopeful allies, Bush trickle-down hoax castaways. Others are attracted to a maverick image or a female compatriot.

Still others are the emotional casualties left from the Bush-Cheney-Rove regime’s years of promoting fear, division and hate.

Both McCain and Palin are further demeaning the office of the Presidency, that is already tattered and dirtied by a Bush regime which used it, the American people, and religion to further its power, this through the plague-ridden path of another opportunistic dolt, George W. Bush.

A totally ridiculous association with Ayers is the main basis of McCain-Palin charges.

A little research reveals both – McCain and Palin—as dire hypocrites.

Palin has her religious zealot from Kenya, Thomas Muthee, who claims he drives out witches (one an alleged witch in his Kenyan village). Palin credits him with using his magical powers to drive out her evil spirits and help her bid to be governor of Alaska, this when he was a guest speaker at the Wasilla Assembly of God in 2005 (Youtube has a video).

McCain sought the endorsement of the radical Rev. John Hagee, who calls the Catholic Church “the great whore” and the anti-Christ, and insists that the Jews are the killers of Christ and have brought about all their own suffering.

McCain has even admitted to knowing about Hagee’s views.

But perhaps, McCain has forgotten his domestic terrorism association.

In the early 1990s, McCain sided with right-wing domestic terrorists and voted against tough new legislation cracking down on a wave of anti-choice domestic terrorism targeting women who visited abortion clinics, their doctors, and clinic staff.

These same right-wing anti-choice extremists were terrorizing women, doctors, and clinic staff across the United States.

After Dr. David Gunn was murdered by an anti-choice terrorist outside the Pensacola Women’s Medical Services clinic, Congress passed anti-terror legislation giving authorities the tool they needed to protect women, doctors and clinic staff from the ongoing threat of terrorism.

McCain opposed it.

Aside from the McCain-Palin hypocrisy, what is my point?

My point is that if we allow this McCain-Palin ugly propaganda drive to attain an ounce of credibility, the genuine fear and concern felt by people in these times of war and economic turmoil could turn into ugly violence.

Gauging the rancor and anger of the McCain crowds, McCain and his acrimonious sidekick, Palin, could, in their desperate and ignoble pander for votes, foster violence against their opponent.

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By Jason, October 11, 2008 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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If anyone can find a email address for this idiot Reverend that gave this totally UN christian prayer, Id love to get it so that I can give him a piece of my mind….....feel free to shoot it to me….


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By mill, October 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

It’s the utter distortion of reality that results from name-calling, labelling that is problematic.  People make the wrong voting choices because of mislabelling, because of name-calling devoid of reality

people at McCain’s rallies have said they’re afraid of the Senator from Illinois because he’s a Muslim.

He’s not of course, he’s a Christian (see Rev. Wright). And Muslims are quite peaceful, co-existing folks, certainly almost all in the US, not to be feared. So folks like that are misinformed and reacting inappropriately to what they believe.

Who promotes those bald lies about candidates and their alleged views?  How is it that such lies become so firmly believed? 

Seems to me, conservatives should sit on their most strident people - and so should liberals sit on theirs - those on left and right who lie to promote their cause

the noisy emotional conflict-provoking styles of the most strident, the liars, the labellers, is getting in the way of pulling the country back together and back up.

seems that way

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By troublesum, October 11, 2008 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

A moral man will never say “next year.”  Never trust anyone who says “We’ve got a plan.”  We should have learned that from Nixon.  With everything else going on I just didn’t think of name calling as a big moral problem.  People never get a political education in the US.  A democrat is a socialist even when he gets six figure donations from wall street firms.  They don’t know what socialism is.  Americans also are fearful to an inordinate degree.  A Muslim is someone to be afraid of.  There are people in the world who are out to get us.  And of course the msm does its part to keep people misinformed.  When I see these people going off I only pity them.  I certainly am not afraid of them.

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By Shenonymous, October 11, 2008 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Yes, but it will take some doing to overcome the insanity that George Bush II led this country into.  I am afraid more Iraqis will die as well as other soldiers, not only American.  This is the greatest American tragedy.  With Obama/Biden at least there is the sliver of light regardless of how slim that as speedy an end will come as possible.  I can only hope that Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran are dealt with respectively and that little or no unnecessary killing takes place.

Why wouldn’t you think morality has nothing to do with this, is my question to you troublesum?”

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By mill, October 11, 2008 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

Republicans have fanned the flames of fear and hatred long enough - 8 years of Mr Cheney and Mr Bush ridiculing people who dare disagree, questioning patriotism, accusing of sympathy toward real terrorists

.... and now even McCain sinks to that bullsh-t

too bad folks like Troublesum seem to think it’s all ok.  it isn’t

it’s tearing the country apart, making it ungovernable.  when the right wing incitement results in violence, will the flame fanners have the courage to take responsibility ... or will they talk about how the victims deserved it some how .... for having a middle name of Hussein .... or a father who is black,  or radical neighbors no one admires?

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By troublesum, October 11, 2008 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

Is a moral man one who would stop the killing of innocent people?

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By wildflower, October 11, 2008 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Re: Wildflower

The poor arrogant preacher at McCain’s Davenport, Iowa rally also overlooks the fact there are a great number of U.S. Christians praying that Obama wins:

“. . . I would also pray Lord that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their God—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his [McCain’s] opponent wins for a variety of reasons.

And Lord I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you would step forward and honor your own name in all that happens between now and Election Day.” [Rev. Arnold Conrad at McCain Davenport, Iowa Rally]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/john-mccain-ral.html

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By Shenonymous, October 11, 2008 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

An old adage that you should be aware of: Two wrongs don’t make a right!

I completely agree that the slaughter and butchering in Iraq is one of the largest tragedies of the 21st century, as I do not want to forget Darfur, and some others where murderous debacle is going on as we sit comfortably here at our computers in the rather safe environment of the United States.  TIme for dinner.  Aren’t we so lucky?

All that notwithstanding, it is not right to denigrate a moral man in the name of politics!

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By troublesum, October 11, 2008 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Sheynonymous
I hadn’t thought that morality entered into it.  How is that Americans can countenance the slaughter of perhaps a million Iraqi civilians without the slightest compunction but cannot bear their favorite political hero being the object of name-calling?

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By Shenonymous, October 11, 2008 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, sort of like when the Coliseum sporting crowd got carried away, troublesum, when the Roman plebiscite decided that a gladiator or Christian should get the jaws of the starved lions.  I can just hear the throngs now.  “ Let’s rip Obama apart!  Yayyyyyyy…“ or those guys in white hoods,  “Get the rope!  Yayyyyyyy.” or hearing the cries from the crowds at Palin’s speeches, “Go string him up.”.  Aren’t you ashamed at your cavalier view of morality?

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By wildflower, October 11, 2008 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

Now McCain’s so call reverends are trying to manipulate God:

“Rev. Arnold Conrad, in delivering an invocation at a rally today for John McCain in Davenport, Iowa . . . offered a prayer that seemed to urge divine intervention to prevent Barack Obama from winning the presidential election—and cast the outcome as a referendum on differing religions. The Times’ Maeve Reston was at the event, and she passed along the key passage from Conrad’s words:

I would also pray Lord that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their God—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his [McCain’s] opponent wins for a variety of reasons.

And Lord I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you would step forward and honor your own name in all that happens between now and Election Day. . . “

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/john-mccain-ral.html

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By troublesum, October 11, 2008 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

If anyone destroyed the meaning of “loyal opposition” it was the democrats themselves by not standing up to Bush.  Let’s be serious.

In 1980 Reagan was heckled everywhere he went by people of the left calling him Hitler and facist and giving him the nazi salute yelling “hail Hitler.”  I don’t remember president Carter asking them to stop or to be respectful.  It never bothered Reagan in the least.

People always get carried away at election time.  They get rowdy like people at sports events.  Politics is one of our national sports so it is to be expected.  Some of the people who post here are alarmists I’d say.

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By jackpine savage, October 11, 2008 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther,

I think that the idea of “loyal opposition” died in America pre Bush. I can’t pinpoint an exact time of death, but it was certainly gone by the time Clinton was in the White House.

Bush certainly ran with it…and seems to have passed the baton to McCain.

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By Shenonymous, October 11, 2008 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

The myth of the “Southern” Democrats finds its origins in what were called Dixiecrats.  The Dixiecrats split away from the Democratic Party in the middle of the 20th century, and are now otherwise fanatically conservative Republicans parading around in sheep’s clothing.  The surreptitiously identified Dixiecrats continued a traditional racism in order to maintain the status quo of the middle class and economically depressed (composed mostly of poor black and poor white Americans) of the southern states in order to keep, as Folktruther notes, welfare stripped and keep wages depressed.  For instance, currently a substitute teacher gets paid $37.00 a day in Alabama or $5.15/ an hour for a 7 1/2 hour day.  (As an aside, subs work just as hard on a daily basis as regular teachers and many states, like Texas require an 8 hours workday.  They just don’t have the extra paperwork required of teachers).

For over a century, white Southerners had predominantly been Democrats, but in 1948 many exited abruptly from the party, angered by Harry Truman’s efforts to abolish the effects of racial segregation, and they supported Strom Thurmond’s radical racist third-party candidacy for president. They finally switch to the Republican party about 1972 when the formerly Democratic south transformed itself into the Republican majority it is today.  The south can hardly be called Democratic in any way shape or form today.

Along with his slogan, “In your heart you know he is right,” Goldwater also freely circulated a book “None Dare Call It Treason” not worth the cheap paper it was printed on, in a deliberate attempt to deceive the American people by instilling an irrational fear of a communist takeover hoping to galvanize the lemming-minded public into voting for Goldwater.  This morally wrong practice is typical of Republican scare tactics in their political campaigning and we can see evidence of it along with their racist demagoguery in the McCain/Palin fear mongering campaign.  The implications in the pig-stinking and irrational McCain/Palin character attack of non-Muslim Obama is that the Muslims will takeover the United States.

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By Folktruther, October 11, 2008 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

the historical problem, Jackpine, is that the Bushites destroyed the progressive meaning of ‘loyal opposition.’  this is based on constraint, some things that one doesn’t attempt to do because it goes over the traditonal line of power. 

The neocons don’t recognize such a line.  They have a complete contempt of US and international law, of US tradition, of public truth, and of the American people and the people of the world.  They are for the total pursuit of neoliberal and Zionist power.

This being the case, it is no logner possible to strategically restrict progressive ideology to the US polity, but must consider the US in a world context.  The issues that most affect the US population are world issues: it is globalization that is why the US wages are decreasing; it is world pollution that affects our climate; it is world iequality within and between nations that must be addrressed with our own.

The Dems retain the outward signs of loyal opposition, but their loyalty is the the ruling power structure that funds them.  What we need now is a DISLOYAL OPPOSITION to the US power system, as Dadelphi suggested.  But in order for this to have political and strategic meaning, we have to agree on what we are FOR.  And this has yet to be worked out historically.

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By diamond, October 11, 2008 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

McCain now has the twin tigers of racism and ‘terrorism’ by the tail. They may yet eat him but it’s hard to feel sorry for him since he let them out of their cages. Having whipped up a frenzy of religious hatred and racism (‘terrorist’ is code for black and unAmerican) towards Obama he can’t now backpeddle. The rally crowds baying for Obama’s death won’t now accept McCain calling the boogey man he’s created ‘decent’. As the saying goes:‘There’s no fool, like an old fool’. Palin is not old (yet) but she’s just as despicable as McCain and in many of her beliefs she’s indistinguishable from a Nazi follower of Hitler, barracking for blood and ‘total war’. Her love of guns, violence and militarism should raise a red flag for anyone who wants a different future to what’s happened in the last eight years. Most Americans will be repulsed by what McCain and Palin are doing but the real danger is that they’ll despair, say ‘It’s all too hard’ and stay home on election day. That’s certainly what Bush and Cheney hope. Their safety from prosecution depends on it.

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By Lipstick on a Pig, October 11, 2008 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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Darn it, we’re having so much fun at thet there town hall rallies.  Who says Jesus doesn’t lov whyte Americans who speak there minds.

Dog gone it, why shud we vote fer thet there Knee-grow?

Y’all take care now

Sara “New hair Do” Pay-Lynn

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By jackpine savage, October 11, 2008 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

What is significant about the current racism is that it is conflated with Terrorism.

Let’s take this very accurate logic deeper. This becomes about “The Other”. The Other is a classic strategy of totalitarianism. From untermenschen to wreckers to communist to terrorist…and many in between, including racism. Generally, the Other is projected outward against “enemies”; when it it is projected inward it is generally projected on easily persecuted minorities.

In America, the Other has taken on a new projection. It’s our neighbor. It’s the guy down the block who put up a yard sign supporting the Other candidate. We’ve been divided against ourselves. The modern incarnation of the Republican party is more guilty of using the tool, but the Democrats are not innocent of it by any stretch of the imagination.

Loyal opposition is probably the philosophical cornerstone of American democracy, but we’ve forsaken the first half of the phrase. (And to be clear, i’m not talking about the parties here, i’m talking about individual supporters and their group/mob behavior.) Doing so has led us to the point where all that’s left is opposition and that turns ugly with ease. Loyalty is not expressed in loyalty towards the nation as a whole, but only towards the group.

Go to the daily beast and read Buckley the Lesser’s endorsement of Obama…and the comments that follow. Almost certainly his deviation from the standard line has filled his inbox with hate mail. The same probably goes for Brooks. Their deviation has made them part of the Other.

The McCain/Palin campaign has raised the level of this situation to dangerous new heights for the reason that Folktruther points out.

Lincoln said that the only thing capable of destroying America is America. This is how it happens, by setting Americans against each other viscerally. And the Republican party is certainly guilty of creating a monster that it cannot and will not control. If we’re lucky the monster will only destroy the Republican Party; if we’re unlucky it will destroy us all.

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By Folktruther, October 11, 2008 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

No, Troublesum, this race is most like the Goldwater-Johnson race.  Goldwater, although since sanctified in the mainstream media, initiated the Gop reach for the Southern racists formerly in the Dem camp, and later used by Nixon as a Southern strategy.  His slogan was: “in your heart you know he is right.”  His acceptance speech “Extrremism is no vice,etc” got the same response at the Gop convention as McPalin gets now at their rallies.  He also supported the war that the Dems implemented.

What is significant about the current racism is that it is conflated with Terrorism.  The fraudulent War on Terrorism continues the traditional racism of the US power system against darKer skinned Muslims.  The problem for the ruling power structure is that it is too open, not clothed in the codewords sufficiently to conceal its nature.

And it rouses violence that might blowback against the American rulers as they continue to strip welfare, depress wages and institutionalize a bipartisan police state.

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By Purple Girl, October 11, 2008 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Have no doubt there are many on the ‘Left’ who also want Mac’s ‘head’....But we prefer to Slow Roast Our dish of Revenge.
‘Traitor’ ,‘Terrorist’ carries far more weight in a Courtroom than it does at a Rally
McCainites are once agian Building a ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ regarding Ayers..But We have nearly competed the span that Reaches from Keating, through Enron to Phil Gramm. Who is the Worst Traitor this country has known, one who’s divuldged information regarding a Fort,which bore no long lasting consequence or one Who Sold his Influence which resulted in a Domestic and international financial Catastrophe- effecting not only the Citizens of THIS Country, but people all around the world…How may more will starve because of skyrocketing food Prices or Empty Shelves? How many will become Homeless? How many will not be able to afford Life saving Meds or services?How may more children will die in the streets around the World because John McCain sold his Vote to Phil Gramm to allow Vegas gambling to go on with OUR Funds, Our Saving, Our Charitable contributions to the World!!
WE Know Where McCain wants to Lead US in his Blind run towards the WH….Over yet another Damn cliff! From Economic Destablization to WW3!If this Man can’t control his pithy Little crowds, How could we Trust him to Control Global Aggression and hatred?Ohh I want John McCains head, But I want to WATCH him cook in a Court of Law, and I want to be sure His Name goes Down in History as one of Our countries Worst Traitors!
Reason Democrts don’t Scream their True Feelings During Obama Rallies….OUR CANDIDATE HAS LED BY EXAMPLE, and we Respect his Wishes for a Positive, Progressive ‘Hope’ approach.Thus We do Not put him in the position of Answering for OUR Free Speech.
It will not only be McCain supporters who will feel the Wrath should Anything Befall Sen Obama…It will be McCain and Palin…And we will hold them PERSONALLY responsible for Inciting and provoking any such incident. It’s time Sen McCain Revisit Our founding Documents and a quick Review of the 10 Commandments- He seems to have Forgotten those Too!

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By Zeya, October 11, 2008 at 7:04 am Link to this comment
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McCain’s “decent” act will not undo any of his dastardly deeds during this campaign. The only dignified decision he could make at this moment would be to drop out of the race.  Since we all know that’s not going to happen, perhaps he’ll listen to his conscience and begin writing his concession speech!

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By troublesum, October 11, 2008 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

Some of the people who post here are more given to hysteria than people at McCain’s rallies.  According to Ed Rollins, a republican pollster who is supporting McCain, Obama has crossed the threshold of public acceptence and will win by a landslide.  McCain’s negative campaigning will not affect the outcome.  He said this race felt to him like the Reagan - Carter campaign of 1980.  Once Reagan had gained public acceptence as being qualified for the office, there was no stopping him.  In that race, the personal attacks came from democrats.  Groups of democrats followed him around and tried to disrupt his campaign rallies.

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 11, 2008 at 4:52 am Link to this comment

@ skulz fontaine;

Yeah, and the Buddhists and Hindus call it Kharma.

P.S. A dangerous dumb-ass.

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By Allan Krueger, October 11, 2008 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

Unless they haven’t a shred of sense, the Sub-Rovian geniuses directing McCain should have figured out by now that the only people who will find appeal in the lies and hate mongering are his base. Thinking people, at this point in the campaign, are going to roll their eyes at this bullshit! I mean, FUX News started the Muslim crap more than two years ago…. And the Obama is a terrorist shtick by the Moose shooting bimbo - the sooner she goes back to Alaska, the better!

My message to McPAIN supporters: Keep those slanderous attack ads coming - see if it will win you the election… Of course, you may still be counting on election fraud in order to turn the tide… Knocking down another skyscraper or two may help you - as if the economic meltdown isn’t enough of an October surprise…

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By Jimmy Havok, October 10, 2008 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder if the Secret Service asked McCain to rein in the crowds, since they have to investigate each and every threat against a Presidential candidate.  I can imagine that would be a lot of work with one of those frothing crowds.

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By Outraged, October 10, 2008 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Must be funny to watch the little people argue about things they will never have either way…

“I think I’ll have a highball and check in with the little people…they’re so funny…. did they not get it yet… ah…corporatism rules again.  Still…it’s great entertainment to watch them try… isn’t it….”

LOL… “and they buy this shit…LOL… but you can’t deny… the little people are so much fun”.

“Don’t worry…, if any of them get “seriously” out of hand we’ll just throw their ass in jail… it’s easy…. but either way… this is just fun shit”.

>>“Here’s lookin’ at you, kid.”

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By Reed Richards, October 10, 2008 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
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Catherine, skulz fontaine,

Although I disagree with Senator Obama’s platform, as he is running on keeping in place Bush’s failed policies, I would never subscribe to the vile, vicious, dispicable, mean-spirited and unjustified smears and character attacks that are being hurled at Senator Obama by these fascist, brown-shirted, bigoted lunatics attending McSame-White-TrashPalin rallies.  One would have to believe that the Confederacy never truly died, but instead went into remission and has now come out with a vengeance. 

But the sad truth is Republicans openly court these people as voters through racism and bigotry, and if McCain was truly upset by this stuff, he would walk off the stage and leave these people to wallow in their own stupidity…..........

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By Catherine, October 10, 2008 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

It’s a bit late for McSame to try to put out the fires he and Sancho Panza have stoked.  If one of their zealots should try to harm Obama or any of his supporters, I hope the American people will put blame where it belongs…directly onto McCain, Sancho Panzo, and the zealot.

I’ve never seen such a cowardly way to run a campaign.  I guess McSame has forgotten what it was like to be maligned by the chimp in the White House.

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By skulz fontaine, October 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

I believe it was in the Bible, and hmmm, what was it… oh yeah, “you shall reap what you sow.” McInsane is such a dumb-ass!!!

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