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Posted on Oct 4, 2008
Palin in Colorado
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Sarah Palin went into negative campaigning mode on Saturday during a speech in Colorado, apparently attempting to forge associations in voters’ minds between the name Barack Obama and the word terrorist, thus indicating that the McCain campaign is ready to hit the mat—or the muck—during the last four weeks before the election.


The New York Times:

“This is not a man who sees America as you see it, and how I see America,” Ms. Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, said in Colorado, according to a pool report. “We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for all of us.

“Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”

The article to which she referred, in The New York Times on Saturday, traced Mr. Obama’s sporadic interactions with Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weathermen who later became an education professor in Chicago and worked on education projects there with Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee for president.

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By wildflower, October 9, 2008 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

RE: Shenonymous

Thanks, Shenonymous. And does it really surprise you to discover that McCain is tangled up with a group that targets community organizations like the YMCA?

“. . . Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) is on your side?

That’s only true if you’re an executive at Microsoft or Philip Morris, have parents worth tens of millions of dollars, own your own chain of health clubs, or are a Mexican avocado magnate . . .

. . . America’s corporate giants love CAGW. Big business can pay CAGW to lobby for their interests, but because CAGW doesn’t disclose their donors and because of its alleged “non-partisan” status, corporations can push their agenda through a group that doesn’t appear to be attached to them. It’s influence-laundering.

Thus, you get CAGW actively campaigning against things that help individual citizens and their children, such as open-source software, regulations against tobacco companies, and restrictions on hard liquor advertising and sales, all because corporations that oppose them have hired CAGW to do their dirty work . . .

. . . Then there’s the YMCA. According to CAGW, the “Y” is pork. That might surprise you, given the organization’s long history of civic involvement. But once you find out that the health club industry has hired CAGW to lobby on their behalf, the mystery clears up quite suddenly.”

http://thecounterpoint.blogspot.com/2006/08/with-friends-like-cagw.html

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By Shenonymous, October 9, 2008 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Gloves are off!
Just to keep y’all conscious…
Here is one from Rolling Stone that straightens things out, at least five of them:
Rolling Stone 10/3/08 Five Myths About John McCain
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/10/03/five-myths-about-john-mccain/?utm_source=daily-newsletter&utm_medium=email#

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By cyrena, October 9, 2008 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

WOW Shenonymous!!! You do GREAT RESEARCH!!! Thanks so very, very, very, much!!

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By Shenonymous, October 9, 2008 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

Gloves are off: The story of Rick Davis and John McCain in 2 Parts

Primary Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Davis_(politics)
Part 1
When McCain started the Reform Institute in 2001 to promote campaign finance reform, he involved Davis.  In 2002, Davis was paid $120,000 as an institute consultant; in 2003, he was paid $110,000 in fees. In 2004 and 2005, when he was president of the non-profit institute, his salary totaled $165,000. Tax forms said he worked five hours a week or “as needed.”
Reference:  Matthew Mosk (June 26, 2008). “Top McCain Adviser Has Found Success Mixing Money, Politics”, The Washington Post. Retrieved on 2008-08-11.

In 2006, Davis helped plan McCain’s next White House run, envisioning a corporate-style campaign modeled after President Bush’s 2004 bid.  He began McCain’s 2008 presidential election campaign as the chief executive. In July 2007, with the ouster of campaign manager Terry Nelson and chief strategist John Weaver, he took the position of campaign manager.  In July 2008, a reorganization placed Steve Schmidt in charge of the campaign, although Davis retained the title of campaign manager.
References:  Jackie Calmes (July 23, 2007). “McCain Manager Roils Campaign: Davis Returns After Ouster Amid Questions on Spending, Ties”, Wall Street Journal.
Dan Balz and Michael D. Shear (2008-07-02). ““McCain Puts New Strategist Atop Campaign”“, The Washington Post. Retrieved on 2008-07-02.
Martin, Jonathan (2008-07-02). “Schmidt takes control of day-to-day operation”, Politico.com. Retrieved on 2008-09-07.

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By Shenonymous, October 9, 2008 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

In 2006, Davis and Manafort formed the company 3eDC, an Internet firm, which the McCain campaign selected to oversee the campaign’s Web site and online fund raising. The company was paid $340,000 before the contract’s cancellation in April 2007; in mid-June, the campaign reported that it still owed the company $721,000.  In all, the McCain campaign paid $971,860 to the company.  In June 2008, Campaign Money Watch, a 527 independent political group, filed a federal complaint that the company had improperly reduced the amount the campaign owed it by $107,000.  In April 2008, after McCain became the presumptive Republican nominee, 3eDC was paid $20,000 by the Republican National Committee (RNC). In June 2008, the RNC and 3eDC were negotiating a larger contract that could be worth $2 million or $3 million.
References:  Edward T. Pound (May 20, 2007). “Troublesome Résumés”, U.S. News and World Report.
Matthew Mosk (June 6, 2008). “A Well-Connected Campaign Firm Resurfaces”, Washington Post.
Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey (October 6, 2008 (newstand date)). “A Freddie Mac Money Trail Catches Up With McCain”, Newsweek. Retrieved on 2008-09-28.
Mary Jacoby (June 10, 2008). “McCain Faces Challenge Over Campaign Links to Lobbyists”, Wall Street Journal.

On September 24, 2008, the New York Times reported that Rick Davis’ firm, Davis Manafort, had been paid $15,000 per month by Freddie Mac, for “consulting”, from the end of 2005, when Davis stopped being head of the Homeownership Alliance, until August 2008. Payments stopped when Freddie Mac was taken over by the federal government. The Times said that “Davis took a leave from Davis Manafort for the presidential campaign, but as an equity holder continues to benefit from its income.”

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By Shenonymous, October 9, 2008 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

Gloves are off:
The story of Rick Davis and John McCain in 2 Parts
Part 2
The McCain campaign responded on September 24 with a statement that Davis had separated from Davis Manafort in 2006, and that “As has been previously reported, Mr. Davis has seen no income from Davis Manafort since 2006. Zero. Mr. Davis has received no salary or compensation since 2006. Mr. Davis has received no profit or partner distributions from that firm on any basis—weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, bi-monthly, quarterly, semi-annual or annual—since 2006. Again, zero. Neither has Mr. Davis received any equity in the firm based on profits derived since his financial separation from Davis Manafort in 2006. On September 28, Newsweek reported that Davis had joined the campaign in January 2007, not in 2006, and that he specified that his $20,000-a-month salary be paid directly to Davis Manafort.

The Times reported that “No one at Davis Manafort other than Mr. Davis was involved in efforts on Freddie Mac’s behalf, the people familiar with the arrangement said.”  Newsweek reported that during the period of the payments, Freddie Mac had no contact with Davis Manafort other than receiving monthly invoices from the firm and paying them.  The only thing that Freddie Mac officials could recall Davis doing for the company, the Times said, was speaking at an October 2006 forum attended by midlevel and senior executives who contributed to Freddie PAC, the company’s political action committee. 
References: Jackie Calmes and David D. Kirkpatrick (September 23, 2008). “McCain Aide’s Firm Was Paid by Freddie Mac”, New York Times.
Michael Goldfarb (September 24, 2008). “Statement by McCain Campaign: A Partisan Paper of Record”. Retrieved on 2008-09-24.
Michael Isikoff (September 23, 2008). “Freddie’s Friend: Freddie Mac continued checks to McCain campaign chief’s firm”, Newsweek.
Jeffrey H. Birnbaum and John Solomon (January 25, 2008). “Aide Helped Controversial Russian Meet McCain”, The Washington Post. Retrieved on 2008-08-11.

In 2006, Davis helped set up the encounter between McCain and Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska in Switzerland during an international economic conference. Deripaska’s suspected links to anti-democratic and organized-crime figures are so controversial that the U.S. government revoked his entry visa in 2006.

At the time, Davis was working for a lobbying firm and seeking to do business with the billionaire. Later that month, Deripaska wrote to Davis and his partner, political consultant Paul J. Manafort, to thank them for arranging the meeting. “Thank you so much for setting up everything in Klosters so spectacularly,” he wrote. “It was very interesting to meet Senators Chambliss, Sununu, and McCain in such an intimate setting. 
References:  Jeffrey H. Birnbaum and John Solomon (January 25, 2008). “Aide Helped Controversial Russian Meet McCain”, The Washington Post. Retrieved on 2008-08-11.
Bob Drogin (August 8, 2008). “DHL deal gone sour haunts McCain in Ohio”, Los Angeles Times. Retrieved on 2008-08-11.
200 jam legislative DHL meeting, Associated Press August 20, 2008
Stephen Koff (August 6, 2008). “John McCain had role in original Wilmington DHL deal”, The Plain Dealer. Retrieved on 2008-08-1

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By KDelphi, October 8, 2008 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

I messed up the dates on the quotes by Rus. Oh, well, hopefully he will recognize them.

That will be the day, that Obama will have ANY of those people (Kucinich, Nader, Edwards or Paul) as an advisor.He could have asked Edwards to be his VP—but, I guess that it is good that he didnt, since the Am. people are so angry to find out about sexual indicretions. Neither party of the duopoly wil have anything to do with these people, although Kucinich wil probably keep his House seat,as the people of his district really admire him.

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By PatrickHenry, October 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

By Rus7355, October 8 at 6:04 am #

Rush Limbach has his audience too.  I’m sure your one of them, now come on and admit it.

This next general election will hopefully rid us of those entrenched Republicans and Democrats and allow next-generation politicians to be elected such as Obama.

While a new-generation politician, Obama must peddle the last generation policies of diplomacy to get his ticket punched by the lobbiest, media and corporate status quo crowd.

Lets hope Obama gets some good counsel by Kucinich, Nader, Edwards and Ron Paul and turns this country around, in foreign affairs and domestically.

We need some of that.

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By KDelphi, October 8, 2008 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

In the next few days people will begin hearing about the Taliban in Afghanistan severing it’s ties to Qaeda and laying down their arms. Just as Iraqi’s have already decided in Iraq. In both Iraq and Afghanistan people have found that it’s not worth siding with the bin Laden types against coalition forces and NATO.

Rus7355 10/6/08 8:19 AM

You know—the ‘Merkin way to do dates!

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By KDelphi, October 8, 2008 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Rus7355-
Iran
Iran’s inclusion in the villainous triumvirate caused particular astonishment in many quarters, in light of both the strong outpouring of sympathy in the country, at the official and popular levels, for the victims of the September 11 attacks, and the important role, acknowledged and applauded by the United Nations, played by Tehran in the Bonn post-Taliban settlement negotiations leading to the establishment of an interim administration in Afghanistan. Widespread concern has also been expressed at the speech’s impact on the important but fragile forces of reform and democratisation in Iran - forces which have assiduously shied away from playing the ‘anti-American’ card long-associated with a strict theocratic interpretation of the 1979 Revolution.

I’ll let others decide wht this means.

I never said that Iran was “in it for US reason”. I said that they did it for themselves.

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By KDelphi, October 8, 2008 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

russ—I dont know if that last mess will post or not. I have to sit with my keyboard in my lap, under a table, that makes it hit enter or————- sometimes—I dont have a desk, and its an old pc. I am also typing in the dark, to keep other people asleep (my keyboard is old and loud), so I must not have hit tab, and it typed into the Title line…oh well…

Russ, if you are waiting for absolute PROOF, for objective data (what would that be??) that the uS and others were cooperating with Iran, no one that COULD provide it to you would possibly be permitted to do so. So, you will wait a very long time.

So Iran was already a big threat to the uS, Iraq , also. And Afghanistan is ready to surrender. I think I provided adequate evidence that say, Gen. Petraeus does not think it is true. Maybe Bush could nominate you to command forces there. It wouldnt be the dumbest thing HE has ever done! Further, I do not plan to do a Journal article on it, or anything.

Evidence (not absolute proof) of US/Iran cooperating goes back a long time.I thought that, providing evidence from an intl website was fine. You provide no link for your “sources”. I am not going to simply google them. If you want me to check out some links, put them here.

Also, how old are you? I was just wondering, because, we had an ex-Vietnam vet grandmother die in Afghanistan from here Ohio a few mos back. I think you coudl still up—if you think all these wars are such a good idea—you should go fight them. BTW—They have lowered the diploma requirements, the iQ requirements, the feloney convicitions starus,etc. , so I wouldnt want you to let any of that hold you back. let that hold you back. Otherwise, you sound like an armchair hawk. What branch of the service were ever in?

If you were so “secure in yourself” and “full of light” you wouldnt be dismissing everyone else’s evidence and you would be more open minded.I would be—if you could give me some reason to belive anything that you say.If they are just opinions, which you are certainly entitled to, just say so.

BTW—If you have solid info, that Afghanistan is getting ready to surrender ( who to??) please get tht ifo to someone in the State Dept ASAP!! We could save alot of lives and money!

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By Inherit The Wind, October 7, 2008 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, October 7 at 4:28 pm #

My friend and fellow agitator, ITW told me about this merry go round with Russnumbers so I had to come see for myself and read the posts.

I don’t hate you Russ.  I just feel sorry for your narrowminded imperialist tendencies. Chickenhawkism I believe it is called.  Too bad you missed one of the many interventions our great country imposes on the standing Army and Marines, and live to see your friends wounded and killed in real time.  It isn’t HBO.
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I actually LOVE having Rus0000 around! I do, I really do!  And I think he’s pretty brave to hang around a lefty blog cabal, and spout Fox Noise talking points.

That way, we all get the fun of piling up on him and LindaS. instead of the usual attacks on each other!

Next week, PH and I will be calling each other names again…calling each other out, and making sure everyone knows the other is pure despicable slime…

But that’s next week!  Who knows what will happen between now and then, or if Truthdig will still have a site if all the money goes away, the way it’s been goin.

But this week we got Rus stepping on his you-know-what!

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By cyrena, October 7, 2008 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

By Leefeller, October 7 at 6:11 am #


Since this article is titled “Palin on the Attack”, I suggest more accurately it could have been titled “Palin on the offensive because she is”.

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I dunno Leefeller,

I think it should have been titled “Palin IS Offensive” and should therefore *BE* attacked, before she can offend anyone else.

KDelphi

You’re right about the skateboard of course. The only reason I resort to it now is because I’ve already busted my ass so many times, and it so many places, that the worst that could happen would be for some of the pins to come loose.

Meantime, seeing as how I’m still slow, even on that that, the kid beat me home. Had the nerve to be sitting outside while he had his little posse out looking for me. THEN had the nerve to ask me how many miles I’d put on the thing, and if I’d been anywhere near the beach.(claims the salt water messes up his wheels). I reminded him that he was 7 years old. He seems to forget that sometimes. Little wise guy.

OK, time for the debate. If Obama does the Mr. Nice Guy rountine again, I’m gonna schedule him for a whuppin’...

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By PatrickHenry, October 7, 2008 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

My friend and fellow agitator, ITW told me about this merry go round with Russnumbers so I had to come see for myself and read the posts.

I don’t hate you Russ.  I just feel sorry for your narrowminded imperialist tendencies. Chickenhawkism I believe it is called.  Too bad you missed one of the many interventions our great country imposes on the standing Army and Marines, and live to see your friends wounded and killed in real time.  It isn’t HBO.

I am shocked at the way everyone (except Russ) has made fun of Governor Palin especially in light of the way she winked at me and.. well we shared a moment, I can’t remember what she said so I betcha it couldn’t be as important as her large Alaskan breasts.

If one was so deserving of a Regents University diploma it would be Russ, from one of the great termite hills ruining this country.  I do believe many of the gaduates from that mound will soon be looking for a job once Obama gets into office.

I still can’t believe the Republicans picked McCain’t over Ron Paul, it truely amazes me how stupid they are.

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By Shenonymous, October 7, 2008 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

Pig Fact:
Pigs do not have functional sweat glands. They use water or mud for the purpose of staying cool in hot weather.

Has anybody seen a bead of sweat on Palin’s forehead yet?

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By Leefeller, October 7, 2008 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi,

FYI:

CNN, was saying the same thing last week about the Talaban, have no idea how accurate it is.

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By KDelphi, October 7, 2008 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Lee—OK. But, really, is saying that Afghanistan is “going to surrender” and that Iran is the biggest threat to us, is jusr marching to a different drumer? Maybe, I guess.

You know how they say that you have a right to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

Thanks

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By Leefeller, October 7, 2008 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi,

Seems we all have gone through the circular illogical heavy breathing of Rus, so welcome to the club.

“Russ is useless. He doesn’t really know what he is talking about”. Regarding the useless part, it can be somewhat entertaining watching newer posters getting their Rus hazing.  As far as he doesn’t know what he is talking about, in his mind he does, he just marches to a different drummer.

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By KDelphi, October 7, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

cyrena—Easy on that skateboard!! LOL

I tried one a couple years ago, and, busted my ass!

russ is useless. He doesnt really know what he is talking about. When someone calls him on the “facts” (or even, a reasoned opinion—you know that people can disagree here—but not just liek that!), he disappears for awhile, and turns up at another site, to bullshit some more.

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By cyrena, October 7, 2008 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi,

I know you weren’t being a smart alec, (sp?) and I appreciate the compliment.

Notice how rusnumbers ALWAYS demands information and sources from EVERYONE else, and NEVER provides them himself. EVER!!! That’s how we all know his type. He’s such a diabolical fraud. He should be on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list.

Now there’s an idea. I’ll make it official. Rus7355 is now on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list, (in the slot above bin Laden) and there is a reward for his capture. (we want him alive by the way). We’ll discuss the reward payment arragements when he’s been captured.

Meantime, thanks for all of the excellent links and research. I’ve less time/opportunity to do it myself these days, so I’m even MORE appreciative.

Now I’ve just appropriated a kid’s skateboard to get some quick errands done, and I need to make sure I get it back here before he gets home from school. (how bad is that….‘borrowing’ transportation from little kids?)

More later…

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By KDelphi, October 7, 2008 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Jane’s Defense - India Joined US led plan against Afghanistan in March 2001.
“India joins anti-Taliban coalition”

By Rahul Bedi

India is believed to have joined Russia, the USA and Iran in a concerted front against Afghanistan’s Taliban regime. [janes.com]

From April 2001, yet more indications that a mideast war was planned long before 9/11.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/preplanned.html  Here is a link for about 10 more articles on it.

Summary—Here is your “Afghanistan is gettin ready to surrender”
With the U.S. military shifting its attention from a stabilized Iraq to a destabilized Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, now the head of U.S. Central Command, is likely to bring good strategic judgment to bear on the Afghan situation. Two key challenges will be negotiating with Iran and reining inIran
Afghanistan’s relations with Iran have fluctuated over the years, with periodic disputes over the water rights of the Helmand River as the main issue of contention. Following the Soviet invasion, which Iran opposed, relations deteriorated. Iran supported the cause of the Afghan resistance and provided financial and military assistance to rebel leaders who pledged loyalty to the Iranian vision of Islamic revolution.
Following the emergence of the Taliban and their harsh treatment of Afghanistan’s Shi’a minority, Iran stepped up assistance to the Northern Alliance. Relations with the Taliban deteriorated further in 1998 after Taliban forces seized the Iranian consulate in Mazar-e-Sharif and executed Iranian diplomats. Since the fall of the Taliban, Afghanistan’s relations with Iran have improved, but they suffered a setback in spring 2007 with the mass deportations of undocumented Afghans from So why would Iran be interested in an American invasion of Iraq?

The enmity between Iran and Iraq is well-known. They fought a bloody war in the 1980’s with Saddam’s military using Weapons of Mass Destruction. In fact, it was the Iraqi threat that caused the Ayatollahs to re-examine their policy of rejecting nuclear weapons, which they originally considered as a violation of Islamic lawhttp://www.globalpolitician.com/2346-iran-iraq

Do yu want more? Or would you rather post a couple links backing up your unfounded statements?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 7, 2008 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

Rus7355, October 7 at 5:12 am #

KDelphi,

Please explain to the group, and show your evidence and sources, exactly why and how Iran was “trying to help us” in Afghanistan (no media opinions please).

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Who are you, Chico Marx? “Who you gonna believe: Me or your own eyes?”

It was in the news at the time of the invasion of Afghanistan, in the fall of 2001.  Just because the Bush administration is trying to re-write history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.  I remember reading and saying “Hot damn! What a great opportunity!”  Then, of course, being disapointed that Bush & co ignored it.  Then came the “Axis of Evil” calamity and it was clear the chance was lost.

Do I think the Iranians didn’t have an ulterior motive? Of course they did!  I NEVER believe any nation acts solely out of the goodness of their hearts but always, and I mean ALWAYS to further their best interests as they perceive it.

“Main Stream Media” has become the code word for the Rightwingnuts to pretend away facts: “Oh, it was in the MSM and I don’t like it so I don’t have to believe it.”

You look like an idiot saying that—Flat-Earthers can make a better argument for their own inanity.

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By Leefeller, October 7, 2008 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

Since this article is titled “Palin on the Attack”, I suggest more accurately it could have been titled “Palin on the offensive because she is”.

Now at some of McCains mindless rallies, seems some of mobs are becoming unruly.  Blame anyone but the incompetence of the McCain campaign for their own spiral into the toilet.  Blame the media is the big one now. 

If you get the chance read the Rolling Stone Article, McCain is a Maverick in his eyes only, seems his whole life like Bush has been a series of self inflicted constructions.

Is it possible the Republicans want to loose and regroup later?  McCain camp seems to be self destructing, sort of like McCain s life.

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By KDelphi, October 6, 2008 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

cyrena—Yes, that’s what I meant, about Iran. They were trying to help us. Things are NOT better in Afghanistan, and, everyone but russ would admit it. Or mcCain,maybe.

As usual, you said it much better than I.

I am NOT being smart—it is a compliment.

Thanks.

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By cyrena, October 6, 2008 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

I would like to reiterate the posts from ITW on this most important topic:

•  “When we went after the Taliban, Iran offered to help us. Their leadership was more moderate and sane and it was a GOLDEN opportunity to re-establish relations with Iran.  Iran’s motive? They HATE the Taliban (Shi’ia vs Sunni) and saw them as a threat.  Also, for them it was a chance at normalized relations.”

In fact, they actually DID help us, immediately after 9/11, by making sure that their border with Afghanistan was clear of all ‘terrorists’ (AKA the Taliban). They either rounded them up, or kicked them back to their side of that border.

•  “…Iran had actually held out its hand in the BEST GESTURE SINCE 1979 and Bush spat in it!  Why? Because it fit Neo-con jingoism, but not the facts and certainly NOT what was needed for our national security…”

Iran even continued to try to normalize relations with us, up to and as recently as last year, going so far as to get the Swiss involved in delivering a letter. In fact, Iran has made so many attempts to coordinate with us that it would take me hours to document them all. And that’s even AFTER the infamous lecture that GW gave to ALL of “the Iranian people’ during his Axis of Evil speech. (not his only globally televised lecture to them).

And here’s something else that gives us a clue to the identity of rusnumbers. (he’s given himself away like this before):

By Rus7355, October 6 at 8:19 am #
•  “In the next few days people will begin hearing about the Taliban in Afghanistan severing it’s ties to Qaeda and laying down their arms. Just as Iraqi’s have already decided in Iraq. In both Iraq and Afghanistan people have found that it’s not worth siding with the bin Laden types against coalition forces and NATO.”

What’s this about what ‘people’ will begin hearing about IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS rusnumbers? Do you somehow have some advance privy to what the rest of the public is ‘going to hear about’, and if so…WHY? Seems to confirm that you’re a chief troll and disinformation operative. Why would it take US another few days to ‘begin hearing’ about something that YOU claim to already know?

You’re a serial liar russnumbers, and we’ve had your real number since day one.
And this recent addition to your serial lying is disputed right here on Truthdig.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20081005_top_british_commander_calls_taliban_unbeatable/

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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment

Oh yeah,
A pig’s tail will never make a good arrow.

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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

We have to listen to demagogue Sarah Palin who mouths unvarnished sh*t about Obama’s character.  Here’s a few I found online she might take a look at. 

1.  Why Has John McCain Blocked Info on MIAs? By Sydney H. Schanberg
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg

These were found at OpEd News
2. In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph “Joe Bananas” Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.

3. McCain has done political favors for real estate developer Donald R. Diamond. McCain stepped in to use his official clout to facilitate a sale of land that Diamond had wanted to obtain.  Diamond got help through red tape in dealing with the Department of the Army because Mr. Diamond “had been very active with Senator McCain,” a partner said in a deposition. For McCain, who has staked two presidential campaigns on pledges to avoid even the appearance of corruption, this is another instance, like the Keating 5 Scandal in which McCain dispensed official favors for Mr. Diamond, a longtime political campaign donor of McCain’s and one of an elite group of donors called “Innovators,” because he raised more than $250,000 for McCain’s campaign. Mr. Diamond invites public officials aboard his flotilla of yachts and specializes in deals with the members of government in exchange for campaign donations.

4. Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)  indicted for extortion, wire fraud, money laundering and other charges related to a land deal in Arizona, according to the Associated Press. Renzi and two former business partners were accused of conspiring to promote the sale of land that buyers could swap for property owned by the federal government.” Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ) was co-chair of McCain’s Arizona campaign (i.e.,  a member of Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) “National Leadership Team” and a co-chair of his Arizona Leadership Team). Renzi has been in the past a “good friend” of John McCain and they were seen together often.

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By KDelphi, October 6, 2008 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

Forgot! Bruner is also overriding the “photo ID ” law, where you basically, have to have a DL or a State iD (They cost $$ and amount to a pol tax).

The GOP may challenge this too, but, she is saying that , if yo have the last four digits of your SS #, and, someone will sign for you (vouch for you), that you are a uS citizen, you can vote. They may try to challenge that, too. But we have a Dem Gov.

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By KDelphi, October 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

cyrena—all—its true! The GOP may challenge it—but teh Dems are already stopping it in Michigan. The AG Bruner is working to make it illegal for out of state “poll workers” (say, from TX) to stand inside Ohio polling places and “challenge” peoplez’ right to vote.

Its hard to believe taht J. Kenneth Blackwell actualy allowed this, and voter caging, but he actually did, He got tanked for Governor!! He was head of Dubya;s re-electin committee.

I shouldve posted some of this.Thanks.

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By Leefeller, October 6, 2008 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

McCain and Palin remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Pithons Holy Gral, someone has mentioned this before, may have been on the news.

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By cyrena, October 6, 2008 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Dear all,

You guys/girls might already know this stuff, (KDelphi for sure does) but I didn’t, so I thought I’d post this for those in Ohio. Apparently something passed there a few weeks ago that allows for registration and voting on the same day, (though I’m sure it would be better to register as soon as possible) and that should help tremendously in overcoming the problems of the last election when so many democratic voters were intentionally disenfranchised via caging and all of the other standard tricks.

For California voters, this is a list of the State Ballot propositions with recommendations.

Prop 1 - YES
~High Speed Rail

Prop 2 - Yes
~Treatment of Farm Animals

Prop 3 - YES
~Children’s Hospital Bonds

Prop 4 - NO
~Threatens Teen Safety

Prop 5 - YES
~Rehabilitation for Non-Violent Offenders

Prop 6 - NO
~Mandatory Sentencing

Prop 7 - YES
~Renewable Energy

Prop 8 - NO
~Repeal Marriage Equality

Prop 9 - NO
~Parole Policy Changes

Prop 10 NEUTRAL
~Fuel Efficiency, Subsideis for Car Buyers

Prop 11 - NO
~Unfair Redristricting Proposal

Prop 12 - YES
~Veterans Bond Act

OK…hang in there folks. Don’t let russ numbers get to ya.

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By KDelphi, October 6, 2008 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

russ7355—Oh, russ…so you missed it. The “date” was an EXAMPLE. Most of the world would print today’s date like THIS: 6 (for DAY), 10 (for MO.—October), and 08 (for 2008—this year!). Got it? The US would print today’s date as : 10 (month) 6 (day) and 08 (year!).Got it now?

If a BOMB has a US style “dating system” on it, plus, the specs are writen in “English”, it was probably not made in Tehran. Or would they just do it thatway to “throw us off”? (Uto—I gave you a talking point)

I am not “implying “that Reagan sold arms illegally to Iran. It is a sworn fact. He laundered it, and used it to pay Nicaraguan Contras, who wouldkeep the “markets” open for capitalists.

The “Suuni awakening” is a hallucination of Dubya’s McCains’ and others. We are PAYING the Sunnis about $300 a month, each, to not kiil our troops. Its true! Ask Petraeus.

What happens as the economy continues to characteristically TANK, and we cannot borrow money fron China or the Saudis to pay them? Things are getting decidedly worse in Afghanistan. General Petraeus and , his scessor, Lt. Gen. Odierno, both say we wil need MORE troops—about 10,000. Although I disagre wth it, Obama is just following the lead of the “generals the field”—-which Dubya claimed to do , but never did.

Yes, I would deny that Iran acts as “our enemy”. They may well be Israel’s enemy (maybe Israel should stop killing 100s of 1000s of peope to get to two soldiers in Lebanon—but they’;re just tking a que from Dubya)

You do not have ME rattled at all, in fact. I need to thank you. Yes, I had “unregistered” as a Dem. I had forgoten how much I hated you guys. I am going to vote a strict Democratic ticket. The ads I saw today on tv, YOuTube, etc, did not help. They may help with teh “cult of personality” voters. I’m sure you like them too. McCain has shamed himself.

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By t-bone, October 6, 2008 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

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Find more dirt and keep dirty your hand by picking it up and throwing it at people. Mayor Palin, we want to hear the real issues. Try harder to find something to talk about economics and all the changes and reform more specifically. I am tired of hearing slogans and rhetoric without any substance. It is irritating to see you wink at me when you can’t answer a question or smile when you are dogging the question by beating around the bush. I am tired of hearing “As a governor” or “up there in Alaska”. As a governor, you still use the same tricks when you are running for the mayor: the wink, the smiles, the rhetoric and most of all, trying to be a common folk while you are not. In Alaska you rode on the religious bank wagon to your Governor Office, now you are the staunchest supporter for big oil companies, no wonder why they just put in 1 million $ to your campaign. I guess McCain did not pick you as his VP, I think big oilers made this decision for him so they can get another loyal VP to replace Dick Cheney no matter how bad the economy is or how hard we Americans have suffered under this administration.
This is the first election that I am really afraid for the future of our country with economic turmoil and two unresolved wars that are going to be in the hand of a small town mayor from Alaska who has no experience in federal politics or international affairs. As for a governor, less than two years with all the controversies still going up in Alaska, I am even more pessimistic of your ability and personality.

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By t-bone, October 6, 2008 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

It is a perfect job for Palin.

To replenish her knowledge about federal politics, history or international affairs, it would take years and the RNC knows she doesn’t have a brain for that. They have only 30 days and dirt is easier for her to say and dirt can be found every where because nobody wants dirt.

Go ahead keep her away from reporters’questionairs and give her more dirts, she would do a better job at throwing dirt and revenges at people who don’t agree with her. What happens to all smart women in Alaska like my favourite friend,M.M I’ve known for years.

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By t-bone, October 6, 2008 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

Find more dirt and keep dirty your hand by picking it up and throwing it at people. Mayor Palin, we want to hear the real issues. Try harder to find something to talk about economics and all the changes and reform more specifically. I am tired of hearing slogans and rhetorics without any subtances. It is irritating to see you wink at me when you can’t answer a question or smile when you are dodgging the question by beating around the bush. I am tire of hearing “As a governor” or “up there in Alaska”. As a governor, you still uses the same tricks when you are running for the mayor: the wink, the smiles, the rhetorics and most of all ,trying to be a common folk while you are not. In Alska you rode on the religious bank wagon to your Governor Office, now you are the taunchest supporter for big oil companies, no wonder why they just put in 1 million $ to your campain. I guess McCain did not pick you as his VP, I think big oilers made this decision for him so they can get another loyal VP to replace Dick Cheney no matter how bad the economy is or how hard us americans have suffered under this administration.

This is the first election that I am really afraid for the future of our country with economic turmoils and two unresolved wars that are going to be in the hand of a small town mayor from Alaska who has no experience in federal politics nor international affairs. As for a governor, less than two years with all the controversies still going up in Alaska, I am even more pessimistic of her ability and personality.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 6, 2008 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

The fact remains that you fall completely and totally apart when asked the most basic questions concerning your tired and redundant talking points. It’s as if you need to wait until Keith Olberman talks about a subject before your narrative changes.

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ROFLMAO!  You GOT to be kidding me!  Ask any of a dozen posters here (many of whom detest me) if I back down!  Try Fadel, or Robert, or VolkTruther, or Outraged (or is it Outrageous?) or PatrickHenry, just to name a few! 

I try to avoid talking points and think for myself. See if you can find ANYONE but me who argues that Iran is a natural ally to both Israel and the US!  It’s all either “Bomb Iran” or “let’s be nice” whereas I argue that it’s in the strategic interests of all three nations to work together. (see, it’s like this…in between Hebrew-speaking Jewish Israel, and Farsi-speaking Shi’ite Iran, is a WHOLE BUNCH of Arabic-speaking Sunnis who hate both Israelis and Persians….but nobody else seems to notice that, and certainly not that jackass in the White House.  His strategy?  “They’re assholes!”—Bob Woodward)
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I have yet to see a single original thought from you. You spew your odd theories like you have them exhaustively rehearsed. It’s mindless.

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See above.

As for you, I see you spout exactly the same crap that Fox Noise spouts…like a tape recorder.  But then, again, that’s an OLD Republican trick: Accuse somebody of doing EXACTLY what you are doing!

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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

Patrick Barry, Research Associate with the National Security Network, U.S. Policy in the Middle East and South Asia.
October 1, 2008 headlines that Petraeus closes book on McCain plan for Afghanistan

Could we just have the trooth?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patrick-barry/petraeus-closes-book-on-m_b_130942.html

Rus7355, why are you just giving Obama’s position on Afghanistan, and what clear evidence is there that Muslims are turning away from Islamo-fascism?  To give a fair view, tell how many Jews are turning away from militant Zionism?

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By Leefeller, October 6, 2008 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Talking about danger, “drill baby drill” Palin is eminently qualified to chant slogans and recite inaccurate quotes from Starbuck coffee cups, nothing else.  Stupid and stupider, is very close to saying dumb and dumber, I propose we clarify. 

Moron comes to mind but, Palin is much further along and comes closer to meeting the word idiot, but for the last eight years I have always reserved the following word in reference to our fearless Vietnam evader president.

“Imbecile”

Imbecile is the perfect single word best describing Sarah Palin, for Imbecile as an adjective, best describes a thing, Palin in this case a thing “Imbecile” as defined means:  “stupid idiot”.

Sarah is the screaming definition of an Imbecile, we may have to petition for a change in a new use of the meaning for the two words, stupid and idiot since degrees of both are in the word Imbecile, in Palin’s case they do not reach their goals. 

I am Proposing to all of you, Sarah Palin is the perfect Imbecile, and request we remove Bush from the word Imbecile and promote him back to the Village Idiot.

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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

From an bystander’s view, Rus7355, ITW’s posts are well stated and gives a reminder of right-wing incessant recitations.  We can’t be reminded too often.  The autobots have a short memory.  It can only remember things like Transformers Mediocrity

What kind of hood do you have over your head Rus7355.  As Petraeus prepares to send troops to Afghanistan, McCain is undermining once again any American strategy.  Seems to me GWB ought to get off his puny ass and straighten Johnboy out. Just remember, the cartoon McCain vowed more than a year ago to follow Osama bin Laden “to the gates of hell,” he has never offered any details or even possibilities about how his approach to Al Qaeda might differ from that of the Bush administration, or OR! that he even has a plan.  Where the hell does he think bin Laden is, in Homer Simpson’s bathroom?  McCain is wrong and so are the lies about the success of the surge.  It is the latest myth attempting to keep the wool over middle-America’s eyes.  We all know what the Delta Force is up to now, thanks to 60 Mintues.  Only McCain has his head in Homer Simpson’s toilet.

Obama wants to resolve the Middle East problems.  McCain wants to continue fattening the Bush corporate industrial war complex.  Get a grip.

For a change in the White House, vote Obama/Biden.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 6, 2008 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

You are terrific at throwing out wild claims and insults. You have those attributes down solidly. But I wonder aloud if you’ve ever put some thought into why you’re never able to answer the most fundamental questions regarding your points of view. The second you’re challenged you fall completely apart.
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You talkin’ to me?  I KNOW you’re not talkin’ to me!  Nobody on a blog makes me fall apart.  However, I do try to ignore total irrational nonsense.

You’re the one claiming the usual right-wing mantra of “the blame-America-first crowd”.  This is, of course, a “code-word” for Democrats and anyone who doesn’t support whatever lies and idiotic and dangerous policies Bush and his neo-con pals enact.

But I’ve lived through the last 27 years and 9 months since Ronald Reagan came to power and started the process to dismantle all the controls and safeguards the US government provided to prevent individuals and local and state governments from being exploited by the unscrupulous within corporations.

What all you wingers like to forget is that two years into it, Reagan was depressed because “Reaganomics” wasn’t working.  Inflation was still there, the deficit was rising, and unemployment was up, up, up.  He actually had to ask Congress to RAISE taxes!
Finally, the Draconian policies Jimmy Carter and Paul Volker had put in place did their job, the economy recovered, and Ronald Reagan got the credit and re-elected in 2004.  But by 1992, the force of Reaganomics had so screwed up the economy, that Poppy Bush had no real defense and lost to Clinton, who began the process that lead to a HUGE recovery and the first balanced budget in decades.

But over the last 7 years and 9 months, Bush&Co;, cheered on by guys like you, have dismantled even more controls and unbalanced the budget and gotten us into the stupidest war the US has ever been in.

And guys like you desperately cheer them on….

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By samosamo, October 6, 2008 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

What a dope! Claiming obama sees america as imperfect and she claims america the ‘force of good for all the world’ yet she is going to clean up wall street and what is wrong with america? I can see where she appeals to so many that mcpalin still has a good chance of winning in my opinion. The IQ85s are all on board for this scramble brain rhetoric.
Just as I knew our elected congressionals would sell out america by passing the ‘bailout’ that would do very little for the people but benefit the irresponsible and criminal that created this mess, I see mcpalin still in the chase and quite capable of influencing the IQ85s into voting for non-reason instead of a chance of regainning something that may actually be finished, the democracy.
And, we can all credit the msm, a very irresponsible part of our country, for putting this country in this situation.

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By Leefeller, October 6, 2008 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

Interesting how some people never answer a question, engage in discussion, or makes sense, and I am not talking just about Sarah the Wolf Killer. Stump speeches are great if you have the mental capacity of a rock, and have little ability to think or reason.  In sports, the fans in the stands are usually fired up and rooting for one team or the other, isn’t this why they are called fans?

Palin single pep leader for her fans does nothing to capture or enhance her issues if she has any, she only uses the excitement of the crowd to insult the other team.  In sports the game is pure entertainment, of course with the simple using of the us and them mentality, but overall their is a mutual respecet between teams and players. Differences are usually geographic. 

McCain Palin offer nothing positive in their campaign, all they offer is an empty program supported by a spoiled sick narcissistic attitude spewing bold lies without conscience,  giving even criminals with the slightest bit integrity cause to be concerned.

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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

Excellent article in RS, thank you Leefeller.  Much food for the counterattack!  Good way to start the week.  And one good article deserves another:  Try this one for pigs that don’t fly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/opinion/06cohen.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin

ITW your point has been most articulately made.  The super-secret assassination squad is the Delta Force that is going about trying to keep the half-assed Bush and company from looking like the whole assholes that they are.  60-Minutes had a segment on DF last evening. V e r r y   I n t e r r e s t i n g as Colonel Klink would say.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 6, 2008 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

Rus7355, October 6 at 2:06 am #

KDelphi,

“You arent denying that Reqgan sold illegal weapons to Iran, using the money to fund the Contras of Nicaragua, are you?”

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No I would not deny that. What has that got to do with Iran today?

Are you denying that Iran has acted as an enemy to the United States? That Iran has not been on the U.S. State Dept. list of terrorist supporting nations for decades? Are you denying Iran’s self proclaimed hegemony over the Middle East region? Are you denying that Iran is playing a part in the deaths of Americans today? Are you attempting to claim that bombs found on the border of Iran, and stamped 4/10/08, are somehow linked to the Reagan era? Are you denying that President Clinton labeled Iran part of an exis of terror around the world?

If you had a point in your last post I missed it. Or is your point simply to Blame America First? If the latter is your point then you fit right in here on TruthDig.

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No, it’s blaming the asshole who got us into mess after mess, and who missed chances to get us OUT again?  George W. Bush—Coward, Cheat, Bully, Thief, Incompetent!

When we went after the Taliban, Iran offered to help us. Their leadership was more moderate and sane and it was a GOLDEN opportunity to re-establish relations with Iran.  Iran’s motive? They HATE the Taliban (Shi’ia vs Sunni) and saw them as a threat.  Also, for them it was a chance at normalized relations.

So, what did the guy whom I blame do? He ignored the Iranians.  Then, in January of 2002, while we were mired in Afghanistan, he gave his insane, dangerous and moronic “Axis of Evil” speech, naming Iran, Iraq and North Korea. 

Iran had actually held out its hand in the BEST GESTURE SINCE 1979 and Bush spat in it!  Why? Because it fit Neo-con jingoism, but not the facts and certainly NOT what was needed for our national security.

Then there’s Iraq. BTW, the surge never worked and the White House knows it, but is lying about it.  That came out from Bob Woodward’s book.  What’s working is some super-secret assassination squad that’s probably illegal under both Federal and International Law.

Finally there’s North Korea, where EVERY step Bush took had exactly the wrong effect.

So…Let’s not Blame America First.  But we can certainly blame Bush and the Republicans first, and show them we blame them with a landslide for Obama and the Democrats!

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By Leefeller, October 6, 2008 at 3:58 am Link to this comment

FYI:

Will the real McCain please stand up, a great article in “Rolling Stone”  A must read.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

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By AlaskanVoter, October 6, 2008 at 2:00 am Link to this comment

I am a Alaskan life voting Republican. This 2008 Election, I will [with pleasure] vote Democrat! This Alaska Governor has destroyed “MANY GOOD ALASKAN PEOPLE(s) professionally and politically during her short term position as Mayor in a small community Wasilla, Ak (Approx 7,500 residents ) and current Alaska State Governor.(of approx. twenty months).  Whenever Palin is confronted with a question that she does not know, does not have a clue or simply does not want to answer, her indignation which turns to…ANGER…is familiar. McCains’’ V.P. selection Sarah Palin has no business being the Alaska Governor, let alone, a USA candidate for Vice President…. Maverick??.....****AMERICA SHOULD BE FEARFULLY CONCERNED****. I voted for Sarah Palin in Alaskas 2006 Governor Election. MISTAKE! Never Again… I repeat-NEVER AGAIN!!...Alaska Governor Palin is an absolute Embarrassment to the Alaska People and “IS” proven to be an insatiable Liar!! How can she possibly ASSUME the ability to clean up America, when she cannot clean the ‘MESS” she has created in Alaska. Yes, A Mess FOR Alaskans to clean up. McCain, you should be ASHAMED of yourself!!!! This victim (palin)has no business in this Presidential Arena.
[read Alaska News-Politics adn.com]

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By AlaskanVoter, October 6, 2008 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

ALASKA Palin- RECALL!!!
I am a Alaskan life voting Republican. This 2008 Election, I will [with pleasure] vote Democrat! This Alaska Governor has destroyed “MANY GOOD ALASKAN PEOPLE(s) professionally and politically during her short term position as Mayor in a small community Wasilla, Ak (Approx 7,500 residents ) and current Alaska State Governor.(of approx. twenty months).  Whenever Palin is confronted with a question that she does not know, does not have a clue or simply does not want to answer, her indignation which turns to…ANGER…is familiar. McCains’’ V.P. selection Sarah Palin has no business being the Alaska Governor, let alone, a USA candidate for Vice President…. Maverick??.....****AMERICA SHOULD BE FEARFULLY CONCERNED****. I voted for Sarah Palin in Alaskas 2006 Governor Election. MISTAKE! Never Again… I repeat-NEVER AGAIN!!...Alaska Governor Palin is an absolute Embarrassment to the Alaska People and “IS” proven to be an insatiable Liar!! How can she possibly ASSUME the ability to clean up America, when she cannot clean the ‘MESS” she has created in Alaska. Yes, A Mess FOR Alaskans to clean up. McCain, you should be ASHAMED of yourself!!!! This victim (palin)has no business in this Presidential Arena.

[read Alaska News-Politics adn.com] 
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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 12:09 am Link to this comment

oops, I mean Catharine.

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By Shenonymous, October 6, 2008 at 12:08 am Link to this comment

Cynthia I almost agree totally with you about Sarah Palin but what is stupider than stupid?  I guess ‘most’ stupid.

Oh yeah, if Democrats are not supposed to look backwards to the past, can we all forget that McCain was a POW?  Wouldn’t that go a long way to evening things out?

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By KDelphi, October 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm Link to this comment

russ—I’d liek for you to answer me just one thing—

I saw the bonbs that they “uncovered” opn the Iranain border. The strange thing abou tthem was, that they had English written on them, and the dates were “American”—you know—10/4/08? (Most of the world writes it—4/10/08—you know , our wacky miles, inches, farenheit.)

I called one of my “Congressman” (Mike Turner) and asked him that. The secretary said that he would “get back to me”. So, I called about a day later. She said that he said to tel me that “he didnt know”.

I never saw it on tv or YouTube again.

You arent denying that Reqgan sold illegal weapons to Iran, using the money to fund the Contras of Nicaragua, are you?

Is this really Oliver North?

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By Shenonymous, October 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

I’m a late comer to this forum.  Sorry to barge in, but I just can’t help myself.  Ayers was a radical 40 years ago!  Who is now an educator in Chicago!  And he and Obama just worked together on an education project.  Heck I’d pal around with him even if he were still a Weatherman.  Guess that makes me a terrorist too!  Palin is ridiculous and shows her lack of sophistication up the yingyang.  Not even a decent bit actress, Her charges against Obama as “palling around with terrorists,” is about as stupid a remark ever heard in a campaign.  First of all, Ayers is not plural, he is one man, so what the f**k does she mean by terrorISTS?  When Ayers belonged to the Weathermen, Obama was 7-years old.  She shows her imbecility once more.  The Weathermen were considered heroes by a lot of Americans, a lot of young Americans. The Weathermen found their name in a song by Bob Dylan, and so I suppose Dylan could be called a terrorist too by the brainlessness of Mrs. Palin.  Just google the Weathermen and you’ll see what it was all about.  She is really really stupid.  Obviously McCain is too to have selected that doofus for a Vice President of the United States.

Mrs. Palin, get a grip!  Maybe that “beacon of light” will turn on in her brain someday?  It is kind of dim in there right now.  Again, she is utterly stupid. Gotta get my Leefeller’s Upchuck Bucket?

To get away from inanities like this, vote Obama/Biden!

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By ingramris, October 5, 2008 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment
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Lies, deception and the sexist card…...In a presidential race without regard…...To the truth for a people and country as a whole…..Hence the McCain campaign as the story undfolds…..With ads that distort and mockery led…..Lies being told about something said…..The Law abused on a field called change…...SO VOTE:  “Obama/Biden Right Rules, Right Game.

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By cyrena, October 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

Rusnumbers writes this to KDelpi…and it’s just another broken record from rusnumbers

•  Most here on TruthDig feel just as you do about Iraq, Iran and Cuba. They too Blame America First regardless of historical context. But you are still the fringe minority in your beliefs.

KDelphi, Don’t fall for it, or otherwise let yourself get sucked in by the scourge of Truthdig…none other than rusnumbers.

Rusnumbers is still clinging to the lie (that he may even believe) that we are only ‘3%” and represent only the ‘fringe’. He’s delusional. He’s been repeating this same old shit for months, apparently still believing that he can create his own reality.

We ALL know what America was built on, and it wasn’t liberty…at least not for the majority. It was built on slavery, after the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Natives. It was built on the backs of slaves who were counted as only 3/5ths of a person, for purposes of representation. So no, that is hardly ‘liberty and justice’. There are multiple instances of legalized slavery written into the US Constitution. Many still exist. All of this long before Iraq, Iran, was even KNOWN to the Westerners that accidentally happened upon the Americas.

And now, if this 300 year old experiment has any possible chance of survival, it means ignoring the likes of rusnumbers, since it is HE and the 3% who think like him, (on the fringe if you will) who have helped upset the balance that threatens to destroy us all.

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By jackpine savage, October 5, 2008 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

Almost each and every one of us were taught that we will be judged by the company we keep. All attempts to suggest this is wrong will fall on deaf ears by 97% of the world. Why deaf ears? Because it’s a feeble argument to even suggest that it’s wrong. It is a fact and its value is presented to us daily.

So tell me, how should i judge G.W. Bush; a man who pals around with Saudi royalty, supporters of Wahhabi Islam and almost certainly funders of terrorism. Or Donald Rumsfeld who palled around with Saddam Hussein. Or Dick Cheney who was palling around with Iran and the Taliban when he worked for halliburton.

I’m no fan of Ayers. 60’s radicalism seems an awful lot like it was mostly an exercise in narcissism. Middle class nihilism isn’t very fetching. So fine, judge by the company that a man keeps, but judge all men by the company that they keep. And if we’re to judge, then perhaps we should rank how dangerous that company really is.

Ayers was a middle class radical who straightened up and became somewhat successful, returning to a respectable American existence. Saddam Hussein and the Taliban…well maybe not so much, unless neither was really a threat to our homeland.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2008 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

Palin is starting to get hammered because SHE sleeps with a traitor who advocates the break-up of the United States—her husband.  His association with the Alaska Independence Party is a whole lot more recent than Ayers’ Weatherman days.  And Palin, sleeping with Todd every night is a WHOLE lot closer to HER traitor than Obama EVER was to his “terrorist”.

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Palin is now on the attack, did she throw away her crib notes from he debate?  Wonder how she will fix the economey, maybe she will get another message off a Starbucks cup?

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By diamond, October 5, 2008 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

We had a politician who used to say with a wolf-like grin ‘When all else fails, throw the switch to vaudeville.’ Expect vaudeville, lots of it for the next month but unless you want a President who juggles and does magic tricks and A Vice President who does stand up comedy DON’T FALL FOR IT.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2008 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

McCain is losing and losing big.

Time to bring out the Re-thuglican Sleaze Machine and throw EVERY accusation they can think of out there, true or not, and keep pushing it.

Time for the next “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” to invent a super-crafty lie that’s hard to disprove and APPEARS on the surface that it might be true.

Time to remember that policy doesn’t matter, morals don’t matter, your cause doesn’t matter.  Retaining power matters and DO WHATEVER IT TAKES!!!

But first rule is Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie.  And sneer when you do it!

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

In California, fluffy the killer bunny, said the following, now we are talking setting the bar very low here.

From CBS News’ Scott Conroy:  FYI

“Our opponent is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who target their own country,” Palin said. 

Very Low

The Republican VP nominee also hit Obama for saying he’d cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans, calling the Democrat’s vow “the phoniest claim in a campaign that has been full of them.”

A Low with undisclosed substance, nice.

Palin regaled the cheering crowd with a story about how she was reading her Starbucks mocha cup yesterday, which featured a quotation from former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

“Now she said it, I didn’t,” Palin said of Albright. “She said, ‘There’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t support other women.’”

Well, now maybe she should keep that Starbucks cup next time someone asks her what journals she reads?  most women, would want proof that Palin is another women and was Albright if the quote is real about her? 

Sleezy low

The crowd roared its approval, but according to several sources, Albright actually said, “there’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t help other women.”  Sounds like Starbucks got it wrong.

Oh, just another context issue, like many before or was it a lie?

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Let’s see how low they can go, McCain has already proven how low they will set the bar for Palin and she is proving them absolutists, proving just how right they can be, at least they are right for once.

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By troublesum, October 5, 2008 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

All you have to do is look at the polls to see why McCain has started the smear campaign.  dailykos traking poll has it Obama 52-40, Gallop has it Obama 49-41 and in various other polls Obama is up by 8 points at least.  I couldn’t quite believe that McCain honestly thought that his biography would be enough to win the race for him.  Does he really believe that people are that naive?  There were many veterans of the Vietnam war who were injured in combat and quite a few who even won the medal of honor but they didn’t proclaim their heroism from the housetops.

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By Keith, October 5, 2008 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment
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Keith said:

Sarah Palin should not get into finger pointing with the CNN/Obama team. 

In four years her and Clintons time will come.

Keith

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By btchakir, October 5, 2008 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
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Now that the Republicans have chosen to avoid discussion of the economy, McCain has Palin reading off her notes to create lies about Obama… like saying he “pals around with terrorists”. That she used a plural is interesting. That she cited a totally disproved case is abominable. That she is being used as a diversion to keep the issues from being discussed is Republican.

CNN’s video is at Under The LobsterScope

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By KDelphi, October 5, 2008 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

russ-What the hell do you think this country waas founded on? Peace and love? Tell me which is “murder”? An accidental killing or the inntentional “shock and awe”. Cuba or Iran/Contra? (Where the hell did Iran get WMDs)

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it. Abraham Lincoln
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

Or, if you prefer falsehoods,
We have never interfered in the internal government of a country and have no intention of doing so, never have had any thought of that kind.”
Ronald Reagan, 1982

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By Inqui, October 5, 2008 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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Support for veterans
Wed, 08/27/2008 - 11:37pm — David Sayers

With the current situation across the globe, veterans issues are no longer ignored as they have been for years. As a former Marine, support for veterans is very important to me. Since for years we have all heard (and often repeated ourselves) that Democrats do not support the military, I thought that it was important that we look at this issue. The below information is directly from Obama’s policy papers and their voting records.

Obama’s Policy plan:

1. Allow all veterans access to the VA

2. Strengthen VA care

3. Combat homelessness among veterans

4. Fight veteran’s employment discrimination

5. Ensure seamless transition to civilian life

6. Fully fund VA medical care

7. Fix the benfits bureaucracy

8. Improve mental health treatment for veterans

9. Improve care for traumatic brain injury

10. Expand Vet centers

Obama’s record:

As a member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, Obama passed legislation to improve care and slash red tape for our wounded warriors recovering at places like Walter Reed. He passed laws to help homeless veterans and offered an innovative solution to prevent at-risk veterans from falling into homelessness. Obama led a bipartisan effort in the Senate to try to halt the military’s unfair practice of discharging service members for having a service-connected psychological injury. He fought for fair treatment of Illinois veterans’ claims and forced the VA to conduct an unprecedented outreach campaign to disabled veterans with lower than-average benefits. Obama passed legislation to stop a VA review of closed PTSD cases that could have led to a reduction in veterans’ benefits. He passed an amendment to ensure that all service members returning from Iraq are properly screened for traumatic brain injuries. He introduced legislation to direct the VA and Pentagon to fix disjointed records systems and improve outreach to members of the National Guard and Reserves.

McCain’s record:

1. Opposed 21st Century GI Bill

2. Voted against increasing funding for veterans’ healthcare in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

3. Opposed an assured funding stream for veterans’ healthcare

4. One of only 13 Republicans to vote against adding funding to VA healthcare clinics

5. Voted against establishing a trust fund for veteran health care facilities (Remember Walter Reed?)

6. Opposed funding for mental health counseling services for veterans

7. Voted in suppport of disabled veterans only 25% of the time in 2004 and 2005

8. Voted against automatic cost of living adjustments for veterans

9. Opposed providing greater access to national guard and reserve troops to healthcare

10. Supported outsourcing VA jobs

11. Supported outsourcing at Walter Reed

12. Repeatedly voted against funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs

This really makes you wonder which party really supports veterans once the spotlight of the battles and medals are over.

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

Let’s see now the action and and direct connection to the Keating 5 does not associate McCain with them, even though he was one of the Keating 5, no association or action taken there by McCain, he says only poor judgment?

Palin and her association with her religious leader, who happens to believe in witches, and has forced them out of their homes and communities, just because Palin has not written a book, does not mean she would spurn him?

McCain by association has shown his lack of morals by leaving his wife after her accident, shows a lack of commitment and willingness to resolve problems, even though it is a personal choice on his part. 

These are only highlights the American Public already knows so, let’s dig a little deeper, sure we can dig up some more goodies by association with crash McCain and his poor judgment and temper tantrums.

Okay, you choose eight more years of Bush agendss, or something new, a change for the better vote Obama.

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By KDelphi, October 5, 2008 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

I find Reverand Wright’s comments as offensive as Falwell’s, Robertson"s, and the Pope’s! Have you ever listened to some of the rightwing preachers that the neo-cons “pal around with”?

Ayers made one mistake , one time and killed someone. The rest of the time, it was property damage. They wer killing millions of civilians and 60,000 DRAFTED young men.  They were shooting peoel on ca,mpus at Kent State. (Gov,. Rhodes and Nixon).The police state beat people im Chicago. And, now this admisnitration is bringing all the fascism back.

I am not recusing the Democrats.

In such a case, yes. I find their INTENTIONAL actions justified.

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By Catherine, October 5, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

PALIN SAID:
“We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for all of us.”

Uh…am I the only one who needs this to be interpreted?  This is exactly the way Palin talked at the debate!  It’s exactly the way she talked to Katie Couric!  STUPID doesn’t even begin to describe her.

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

Being told something, is not the same as discussion in some peoples minds.

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By RightWing, October 5, 2008 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Rus ,you cannot tell these sheep anything, If you told them obama was only half black, they would claim it was a racist smear…...

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By KDelphi, October 5, 2008 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

The only problem I have with Ayers is that he has become so mainstream.

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

Guess the McCain folks can rest in peace, for them the Keating 5 really never existed,  which gives them an 8 year leg up on Obama, being close friends with Aires, next we will be told he was even helping make and set bombs when he was eight years old.  Palin is great, she takes the ball and and embellishes it it,  reality is not an option, in her case neither is truth.  Yep, Palin reminds me of someone else’s cousin, thank goodness not mine.

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By tolstoy, October 5, 2008 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Desperate smearing tactics, more distortion and lies—they’re desperate and close to ultimate cynicism. Now how about this: the McCain-Palin ticket switches to get him out of the way and she takes first position?

Suggested today by Frank Rich today of the NY Times—

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

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By octopus, October 5, 2008 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

Lets ask the wolves, polar bear and moose of Alaska who they would consider a terrorist.
  Or how about the woman who makes a youthful mistake and finds herself pregnant without the resources to birth and properly care for a child.
  Or how about the many rational people who value sound scientific methodology and grounded theory vis-a-vis the questions surrounding the origins of life and species diversity.
  “Repugnantcan” The name on the transom of a floundering vessel heading for an unforgiving reef…

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By Wily Trax, October 5, 2008 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Just let Sarah do Sarah

Don’t you want to see Tina Fey do Sarah again next week?

http://www.wilytrax.com

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2008 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

Rus,

So you have a problem with Obama working with Bill Ayers?  Both were doing community organizing on education.  Their relationship was professional, open, and nothing covert.  Ayers’ history was not reflective of his work with Obama.  Obama was not “in bed” with Ayers, nor in any way endorsing his violent history.

By your logic NOBODY should buy “Hooked on Phonics” because Michael Milken, a convicted felon, is behind its development and to buy it is to endorse the actions of Milken, the greatest SINGLE economic terrorist in the history of the USA.

Also, by your logic, your fair princess, Sarah Palin is far, far more guilty than Obama.  She’s in bed with a traitor, a secessionist who was, BEYOND A DOUBT a member of a secessionist party.  The last group of secessionists were the greatest traitors in history, bringing about the Civil War.

So what’s McCain doing shaking the hand of a traitor, one who worked to rip the nation apart?  I saw him do it at the Republican convention when he shook Todd Palin’s hand.

Why do Republicans ALWAYS apply standards to Democrats (very loudly) that they can’t meet themselves?

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By felicity, October 5, 2008 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355 - How’s this from a WaPo article.  Petraeus and other senior officers met just prior to Petraeus’s recent exit from Iraq.  He and his fellow officers agreed that “they didn’t win in Iraq, but they created the possibiity of an honorable exit.”

(If you remember, it wasn’t so much that we didn’t ‘win’ the Nam War, it was that we didn’t leave ‘honorably’, and that was the primary gripe. It’s not that our sights have been lowered, it’s that we, and Petraeus, have come to realize that the Nams and the Iraqs are not winnable but they can be exited honorably.)

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By millie, October 5, 2008 at 11:33 am Link to this comment
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Alaska do not want her. They are happy to get her off they hands.  But I agree with you.  Please take her back to Alaska.

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By msgmi, October 5, 2008 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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Sara Palin has a winning joe-six-pack smile, just as GW had during the 1999 debate. Both claimed being outsiders to the Beltway power brokers and both spoke of change for the better for the people on Main Street. GW got to show his stuff at home and abroad. IMO, Palin, you betcha, has no capital to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. The so-called maverick team needs to be put to pasture.

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By Anthony Look, October 5, 2008 at 11:20 am Link to this comment
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Bloggers unite; email, write, make videos…blog baby blog; about the real Sarah Palin’s illegal indiscretions such as Troopergate, her two private email accounts, her record on speaking about and on hiring minorities, her throwback Salem witch trial minister,...
This swift boating witch needs to be given a dose of reality on which candidates are unfit.

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By troublesum, October 5, 2008 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

One can only imagine how much Obama hates America given his ascent from poverty and a single parent home to the pinnacle of political power in 25 years.

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By Caryl S. Foster, October 5, 2008 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

Apparently Governor Palin missed last week’s McCain/Palin campaign press memo stating:

“Whatever the New York Times once was, it is today, not by any standard, a journalistic organization.”

Or perhaps I missed this week’s McCain/Palin campaign press memo stating that the New York Times is once again a journalistic organization.

Governor Palin cited yesterday’s NY Times article that, contrary to her public comments, for all intent and purposes concluded rather conclusively that Senator Obama does not “pal around” with William Ayers.

Governor Palin’s public assertion yesterday that Senator Obama is pals with domestic terrorists is par for course for a desperate political campaign that consistently seeks to have it both ways regardless if both ways go in two different directions.

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By troublesum, October 5, 2008 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Taking the low road will not work for them.  It will only remind people of Bush whom they are desperately trying to shun like the plague.  I thought they were running against politics as usual but with mavericks you never know.

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By tolstoy, October 5, 2008 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

OK, got it on how to stop the emails.

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By tolstoy, October 5, 2008 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

Help! How turn off the emails whenever a comment appears in this thread?

McCain-Palin are conducting a campaign based on ignorance appealing to the ignorant. Use mocking tone and wrap it in the flag. Use “a different kind of American” to mean a subversive American. Figure that your basic continuous preaching to the already ignorant choir will emotionalize the unsure. Disenfranchise as many as you can. Steal another election. You betcha!  That’s our kind of America!!

Not if we wake up. Not if we stay informed.

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By joey, October 5, 2008 at 10:38 am Link to this comment
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Erik Prince the notorious head of Blackwater has given up on the McCain campaign, a unreliable source said “They are just not mean and corrupt enough to satisfy our constituents.”

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By felicity, October 5, 2008 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Rus7355 - I’m curious.  General Petraeus recently said that there would be no “victory” in Iraq, yet you speak of winning the “battle” of Iraq.  Are you taking issue with Petraeus, challenging his judgement, or…?

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By ap, October 5, 2008 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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Her comments ought to appear outrageous—and indeed they do—at least whenever she manages to convey any content. Otherwise, she simply leaves me bewildered…

For example, could someone explain to me the meaning of the phrase:
“If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for all of us.”

I can’t for the life of me decipher it. Even the verbal phrase starting with “live”: what does she mean to say? I hate to sound mean; Lord knows, in spoken conversation, I like most people can garble the English language. I only wish Sarah Palin would grant us all something to disagree with; for you cannot argue with gibberish.

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By jackpine savage, October 5, 2008 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Here is bin Laden’s actual quote about Iraq:

“I now address my speech to the whole of the Islamic nation: Listen and understand. The issue is big and the misfortune is momentous. The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this Third World War, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation. It is raging in the land of the two rivers. The world’s millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate.” (Text Of Bin Laden’s Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)

It should be recognized that he notes who began this war/front (whatever you’d like to call it). It might also be noted that al Queda had no presence in Iraq before the occupation previously known as OIL. In fact, bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein because he wasn’t even a practicing Muslim until the first Gulf War.

Gen Petraeus’s original quote concerning al Queda in Iraq, “[it is] probably public enemy number one”. Note “probably” which he later amended.

If Iraq is the central front in the GWOT, then it is so because our actions made it so. Are we to believe that Shia violence is the result of al Queda, a sunni/Wahhabi group? Oh, that’s right, Shia violence is the fault of Iran. None of it could possibly be our fault, as we have nothing but good intentions.

I’m sorry, but both Bush and Blair have lied through their teeth too many times to take their pronouncements at face value. I can’t speak on the latter with authority, but i can say that the former wouldn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. Respect is earned through action, not title.

“Absolutely, yes, I am sick of war. Unfortunately many around the globe do not share my feelings.” And many of those men reside in Washington D.C.

I would like a more clear definition of “self-defense”.

quotes came from here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070503-6.html

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By Louise, October 5, 2008 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

The McCain-Pain ticket gives new meaning to the word maverick.

Definition:
 
1. independent person: an independent thinker who refuses to conform to the accepted views on a subject.

2. unbranded animal: an unbranded animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother and herd. By convention, it can become the property of whoever finds it and brands it.

Uhhh, oh, maybe not! Maybe the problem is WE don’t understand the meaning!

An independent thinker who refuses to conform: Stubborn? Law breaker? Uninformed?

An unbranded animal, seperated from it’s mother and herd: Lost? Stupid?

Can become the property of whoever finds it and brands it: Would that be corporate America? Or maybe just political greed.

In any case, seems a maverick is too stupid to know where it belongs. Easily lost or misled. And able to be acquired by someone who wants more, for little or nothing. Well golly wiz! That’s not only a maverick, that’s a republican!

Glad Obama’s not a maverick!

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By jackpine savage, October 5, 2008 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

...“an honest and sincere Palin speak directly to the people”

Seriously? The criticism of Biden may well be true right down the line, but “honesty” and “sincerity” being applied to Palin is just as bad as any lie that Biden may have told.

She talked about “cutting taxes”, yet Alaska has no state income tax. How do you cut something that doesn’t exist? Members of the Alaskan legislature have forcefully debunked her assertion that she was for divestment from Sudan by the Alaska Permanent Fund. In fact, she blocked the plan.

And as someone who lives amongst people who actually talk like Gov. Palin, i can tell you that she was laying on her accent extra thick. Nobody really talks like that to such an extreme.

She is a political prop. She’s G.W. Bush with a nicer set of legs. She was prepped well, but not well enough…several times she couldn’t even tie her answer to the original question. The woman couldn’t even handle questions from Katie Couric. How hard would it have been to simply name the major Alaskan dailies when asked what newspapers she reads?

But she’ll be real good at the negative campaigning. And who knows, we may elect G.W. Bush for a third term because of it.

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 5, 2008 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

@ Rus7355;
Well, your sure welcome to disagree and say as you see it.  I welcome all views, but will admit to bouts of temper on occasion, but I do try to be civil.  Keep posting.
I am curious though, do you live in Illinois?  You have said quite a lot about things that smack of insider stuff regarding Obama.  I’m not happy with any of the candidates; however, I’m sick of war (how about you) so McCain isn’t even an option for me.  Will Obama stop this stupid shit?  I don’t know!  Are you sick of this perpetual war stuff?  Do you want our country to take care of it’s own?  Health care, Infrastructure, Social Security, etc.?

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By wildflower, October 5, 2008 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Re: Cran Berry

Another thought about Palin .  .  .

“. . . calling yourself a maverick six times in a ninety minute debate doesn’t make you a maverick, it makes you a narcissist.”

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_debate_from_surreal_to_so_real

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By wildflower, October 5, 2008 at 6:29 am Link to this comment

Re: driving bear

Wow, I think I understand your logic, driving bear!

It’s like the Bush family is closely connected to the Bin Laden family; therefore, the Bush family has close ties to the terrorists responsible for 9/11. And McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time; therefore, McCain is connected to the terrorists responsible for 9/11. And since Palin is running with McCain, Palin is closely connected to the terrorists responsible for 9/11.

And since they’re all Republicans . . .

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 5, 2008 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

@ hippy pam;
Hey, I take great exception to whom you’re ascribing big balls to.  I have balls (maybe not so big); Palin does not; she has not got enough intelligence to know when she is out of her element (dumb as dirt).  That doesn’t take balls; now Clinton, she has balls; Pelosi?  Nah, she doesn’t.  You, yeah, I think.  Margaret Thatcher; ya sure you betcha!  Sorry, I’m not giving up any nuts to Palin; only stupidity and besides, she’s being used.

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By Louise, October 5, 2008 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

Thanks Purple Girl and Outraged!
 
I think we can agree. In addition to being stupid, a liar, a slut and a racist, she’s a dictator and a traiter.
 
Poor Alaska. Following on the exposure of the true nature of Sen. Ted Stevens and all those State legislators who were found guilty of accepting bribes from big oil, turns out their gov’s the example that proves the corruption. Just one more raunchy self-serving phony. What an embarrassment.
 
I suspect after Sarah helps McCain lose next month we might see a recall effort launched in the frozen north. Cant think of a more deserving candidate for recall, can you? Well at least on a State level.
 
Even more chilling than Alaska, the republican party [that would be GOP for all those folks who’s candidates haven’t got the guts to call themselves republican] has altogether to many members who accept this vile lying without batting an eyelid. Which pretty well tells us how corrupt most of them are.
 
Maybe that’s what GOP stands for ...
Greed Over Principle!
  or, Gimme Or Perish!
  or, Gawd-awful Outrageous Pimps!

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 5, 2008 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

@ Rus7355;
Thanks for posting.  I know many posters here are upset with your views; but I’m actually interested, because it’s important to me to listen to, and try to understand, the “opposition” POV.  I wish others with an opposing view would post here but they are usually run off with abusive responses.  While I disagree with you; “viva la differance”.

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By Big B, October 5, 2008 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

Bless the weathermen and everything they stood for!

Hindsite is of course 20/20, looking back now to see what we have become, a nation run by money, greed, and avarice, can we now see that perhaps the weathermen were right, that there needs to be major changes in our nations structure for it to survive. I am no advocate of violence, but that is all the establishment seems to understand. It is the most american of traits, do unto others before they have a chance to do unto you. I would like to think we are better people than that mantra, but our actions have always proven otherwise.

As for the political chum bucket that will be strewn about in the next month, it is politics american style. We like our football rough, our porn dirty, and our politics dirtier!(is that a word?)
And do not let independent voters stand there in their ivory towers and say how much attack adds disgust them. Bullshit! They respond to them as much as anyone! It was middle of the road independents that put the likes of Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Cheney in the white house. The agressor always seems to win in america. So Barry and the boys better warm up the sleaze bin, put on some rubber gloves, and get ready to get dirty!
After all, hitting McCain with slime should be like shooting ducks in a barrel!
Fuck your moral high ground, Barry! Just ask Gore and Kerry how americans respond to a “clean campaign”.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, October 5, 2008 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

driving bear:

This is dirty politics.  Get back to the issues.


Obama and Biden:  Steer clear of this high school bobby soxing vixen.  Only bad can come from even letting her know she got your attention. She’s already history, had her fifteen minutes, 14 more than she deserved and McCain will soon, like Bully Boy Bush, be back on the ranch to live out his golden years on a government pension.

maluhia:  she is rather dispicable.

Margaret:  interesting how blind she is to Bully Boy Bush’s penchant for terrorism and torture.  But I’m certain that four years in logic courses at a good college wouldn’t help her to see the light. She’s really hard to take.

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