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Politico: Biden Will Go Soft on Palin

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Posted on Sep 30, 2008
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A campaign source tells the political rag that Joe Biden will avoid roughing up Sarah Palin during the debate Thursday, focusing his energies instead on John McCain. That might have something to do with a new poll, which suggests that most people think Biden will prove to be much more knowledgeable, but much less likeable.


The Politico:

If Sarah Palin goofs, flounders, stumbles or blunders during her debate against Joe Biden on Thursday night, Biden is going to let it slide.

“If she makes a gaffe, he underplays it,” one of the people prepping Biden for his vice presidential debate told me. “At most, he says, ‘I am not sure what Gov. Palin meant there.’”

There are three reasons for this. First, Biden does not want to look condescending. For the same reason, he plans on referring to Palin as “Gov. Palin” during the debate and never as “Sarah.” (He will sometimes refer to John McCain as “John,” however, because they have been senators together for many years.)

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By Shenonymous, October 4, 2008 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

I am posting this everywhere so you might see it on several forums and I will be updating as I receive new information.

So McCain is going for character assassination of Obama!  Well then, the gloves are off.  This is the season of the witch!  The witch is going ahunting!  Let’s see, how about starting with dickhead McCain’s first wife!  And how he left her after she had a disfiguring car accident for another cutsie chick, Cindy.  That’s loyalty for ya.  It’s one thing to fall out of love and divorce, but for guys who want to be politicians, messing around is deadly.

Two years younger than Ralph Nader, on his own health, check out this website:
http://therealmccain.com/doctors/

Joe Klein-Time magazine Sept. 17, 2008 tells us McCain’s claims skirt facts and his lies have ranged from the annoying to the sleazy, and the problem is in both degree and kind. His campaign has been a ceaseless assault on his opponent’s character and policies, featuring a consistent—and witting—disdain for the truth.  So we will publish these lies every day in every place possible. Even the New York Times editorial board is calling John McCain a liar.

Paraphrasing Klein’s words, John McCain raises serious questions about whether he has the character to lead the nation. He defaces his beloved military code of honor. He is running a dirty campaign.

Jon Stewart called him a shameless panderer. What could that mean?  He embraces all the things he used to condemn.  Bush being one of them, then he turns around and is now bashing Bush.  What??

By way of providing background, the article reprised the story of the Keating Five scandal that cost three Senators their jobs and nearly ended John McCain’s career. According to the Times, during McCain’s years in the House of Representatives, he became friendly with Charles Keating, Chairman of Lincoln Savings & Loan.

Vote Obama/Biden if you want change in the White House.

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By Shenonymous, October 2, 2008 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Nathayan, you are a smart Republican and funny.  What?  Has the world turned upside down?  I must be dreaming.

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By Nathayan, October 2, 2008 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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I’m a true Republican voter. Seeing how McCain is reacting, he lost all my esteem. It’s true that McCain lacks wisdom and intelligence in his contradictory positions and ideas. Impulsion, anger, lack of self-control and agitation are not good qualities for a great leader. And that’s McCain.

And I think that if McCain had a little judgment at that time, he had not been a war prisoner in Vietnam. He would have avoided the worst, in this particular sector of the country at war, like many other of his colleagues. He never wants to listen to people.

Being stubborn and without intelligence is like being stupid. And for that, I think that McCain would not have been recognized as an American hero. Fortunately for him, that fact made him lucky. But he can’t always have the same opportunity to win, to succeed and to shine.

Now, McCain is old. he gonna die soon. It’s too late for him to lead and to leave the heritage of the high management of the U.S: a strongest economic, industrial and military power in the world in the hands of Sarah Palin, the most inexperienced woman in the history of the American presidencies.

Sarah Palin is playing the “theater” and the “emotional” by always talking about her children. One is pregnant and the other one, sick. Even an ordinary street’s comedian can play that game to get compassion from people. This has nothing to do with managing a large and powerful country like the United States of America.

Sarah is not ready to lead, even if she could have be able to memorize all the arguments written for her by the McCain team and Republicans for this debate against Joe Biden. Sarah Palin is empty and without substance. That’s the danger for the USA. We need to stop that.

Tood Palin, her husband can’t help Sarah doing that hard job as he tried to do in Alaska. Things change and realities too. McCain, to later to lead and Palin, not ready to lead. The Democrat ticket is worthy to lead and to meet the American needs for this election

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By andrushka, October 2, 2008 at 2:01 am Link to this comment

Bite, politely, but bite for God’s sake. Don’t let ANYTHING past.

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By Shenonymous, October 1, 2008 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Carmen is there some sort of confusion between cows and pigs?  Thursday should be onehellovanevning.

Excellent list of points ITW you are offering BIden.  And a few others have also given some gems too.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 1, 2008 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

My advice to Biden:

1) Joe, don’t say anything really stupid, like “When the crash of 1929 came President Roosevelt…...”. I mean, if you’re going to have facts wrong make damn sure they aren’t the ones every school kid knows.

2) Don’t be so determined to push your agenda you don’t address the interlocutor’s question.  People who do that in debates always look stupid.

3) Being respectful of Palin is OK, but don’t pretend something really dumb flying out of her mouth isn’t really dumb! (like a journalism major not being able to name a newspaper she reads) A “Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy!” would be lovely, but if it’s there, it’s there, if it’s not, it’s not.  Count to 5 before you go after her.

4) I like the idea that you are going after McCain.  So if she says something incredibly dumb and ignorant it’s “Is THIS the kind of decision John McCain makes? Is THIS the quality of his advisers?”  Or, better yet: “I know you’re reflecting Sen. McCain’s position.  Is this what we really want as the direction for America?”

5) I think hitting the typical Liberal issues and laundry list turns off Independents AND Liberals alike.  Remember what’s important and what’s rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.  Stick to what gets in peoples’ guts: Bailing out Wall Street, an illegal war getting our kids killed, people not meeting their mortgages, jobs being lost at an unprecedented rate.  Play down spending and play UP cutting waste and RETURNING to a balanced budget.  Remind them that the GOP talks the talk but it was Democrats who walked the walk.

6) Don’t let Palin put a millimeter between McCain/Palin and George Bush.  She’s even closer to Bush.  Use it.

7) Fight dirty, but LOOK like you’re fighting clean.  Ain’t no Marquis of Queensbury.  Health care—McCain will cost us more because he’ll tax our employers more and WE’LL have to make up the difference.

8) Kick her butt and make sure it’s obvious you kicked her butt, but politely.

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By Nathayan, October 1, 2008 at 10:51 am Link to this comment
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Hey! We should not ask Senator Joe Biden to be tender and soft with Sarah Palin if she starts by being impolite, arrogant and liar about Obama and other people during the debate.

Do not think that because she’s a woman so she can give herself the right to jump on the shoulder and head of people. Her known arrogance is not an asset for her to lead

You remember? Governor Palin had started insulting Obama at their convention. The opposite is not true. Nobody talked about that. When Obama started giving answer to Palin’s attacks, Republicans spoke about “sexism and lack of respect for the Governor…”. The American people is not stupid.

Let us talk about Sarah:

Poor Sarah,
Poor Sarah,
America deserves more than that mess!

By what I saw in Palin’s interviews, I can say that the Senator McCain has signed the end his political career and his personal ambition for the American presidency. It’s over.

Sarah stole the spotlight from Obama but the American people and the whole world will discover soon and very son how Sarah is too low, incompetent and a threat for the American leadership in the U.S and in the world.

Too bad, bad and bad on interviews. How you gonna do for well handling with all the problems that the American people is facing with? You’re so empty and bad to convince me for voting for you.

You know why Obama is so strong?
He graduated from Harvard Law Studies and International Political Science. Those assets are giving him flexibility and intelligence to become the next American president.

His faith is giving him wisdom, respect and humility, so he can praise McCain every time as an American hero. The Honesty of Obama is a great quality of a good leader and not a weakness as McCain and his people may think. That’s what McCain can’t understand.

Obama did more than 22 debates for more than 20 months! You need to be strong to win him. He’s not a naive young man as McCain uses to call him. He’s the next president of the U.S. Biden is a true American hero who started looking for a long time the good of the American people. He doeSn’t have 7 houses nor 13 cars. Obama-Biden really put their COUNTRY FIRST!

Obama-Biden, you are pleading for the American people. We will support you. Go ahead.

I’m John McCain and I approve this message.

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By Carmen, October 1, 2008 at 7:34 am Link to this comment
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Coming from the US West, my motto has always been “Give a Calf enough Rope, it will hang itself”. That is pretty much how I feel about Sarah Palin. I keep reading how people ‘relate’ to her. Well, I relate to my neighbor too BUT I wouldn’t want her running this Country. I want someone who is educated, knowledgeable about current events, someone who looks to the future instead of the past. Someone who has my best interests in view. Just because someone is 25 years older (McCain vs Obama) does not make the older person any more capable of being EXPERIENCED. Most of McCains experience came under the Bush’s administration (Both Bush’s) so what is there to expect. MORE OF THE SAME.
Obama/Biden ‘08

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By andrushka, October 1, 2008 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

for Heaven’s sake, please don’t go easy on Sarah Palin. On the contrary, since she thinks she is sooooo knowledgeable, let her know explicitly when she goofs. We have had enough of morons - eight years of them. ENOUGH

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By Nikki, October 1, 2008 at 6:11 am Link to this comment
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I agree that she shouldn’t be treated lightly. But we must remember how the mcain camp has played the media. Anytime someone is tough on her they are being sexist and treated poorly. the best thing is to let her hang herself. if biden comes off too strong they will call him sexist and people will forget her performance and only focus on the fact that she was treated wrong by the mean ole biden.

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By Daniel, October 1, 2008 at 5:40 am Link to this comment
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Here’s the deal… people are prejudging the situation prior to going into these debates with preconceived expectations. This is called bias. The truth is, Biden will be Biden, but people are thinking he’s going to be soft… therefore Biden will be soft. The people who think that he will be tough, or the contrary to soft (hard), then he will be hard.
People only read what they want to read in these debates, and take away only what they want to hear from these debates.

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By Shenonymous, October 1, 2008 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

Biden doesn’t have to kick butt as she will have an aura of the underdog and you know how Americans love underdogs.  He just has to keep asking her one question.  Gov. Palin would you please answer the question?  She will hang herself by dodging and showing her ignorance.  Also be careful of the moderator, we saw how Jim Leherer let McCain off the hook when he kept blustering fitfully on and on when his time was up a couple of times.

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By truthseeker4all, September 30, 2008 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Treating her like anything other than a competent, bloodthirsty opponent is suicide.  Biden should be tough without mocking or condescension.  He can certainly expect her to be rough AND condescending.  If he plays it safe, she’ll be able to get into her “boot camp graduate” mode and will be seen as the winner.

Put on your cowboy boots Joe, and kick some butt.

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By Catherine, September 30, 2008 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

See the link below to an article written by former Alaska state representative and gubernatorial candidate Andrew Halcro.  He talks about what it’s like to debate Sarah Palin, and how she’s the “msster of the nonanswer.” 

After reading that article, I think the Obama-Biden campaign must not underestimate Palin.  If the neocons have been looking at her since 2007, (see the link below) she could be an October surprise in the same way she was McCain’s surprise VP choice…if she was actually his choice and not his neocon handlers. 

If Palin shows a bit of intelligence at this debate, she could possibly turn the McCain campaign around again. The Democrats tend to play nice, but I am hoping that they have been practicing some street fighting techniques, too.

Biden must not treat her with kid gloves.

Here’s the link to the Halcro article:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1001/p09s01-coop.html

Here’s the link to the Sarah Palin Project allegedly planned by the neoconservatives:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Palin-to-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html

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By Catherine, September 30, 2008 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

That’s what pisses me off about Biden and some of the Democratic strategists.  This is a PERSON who wants to be VP of the US. She shouldn’t be treated any differently than any other VP candidate who is debating.  Would he be “soft” on Joe Lieberman?  Would he be “soft” on anybody else who wasn’t female?

Queen Elizabeth 1 said it quite well:  “Had I been born crested, not cloven, you would not speak to me thus!”

If Palin was a male, Biden would show his toughness.  But Palin is “cloven,” as are all females, and his being “soft” on Palin is insulting, condescending, and not worthy of Biden as an experienced debater. If Palin wants to be VP, let her show that she’s got some brains. I’ve not seen any evidence of it yet. Being soft on her at this critical time in the election is simply WRONG.

Palin is the rightwing extremists’ Trojan Horse.  She is where she is because the Repubs actually think American women are stupid.  I want to see Biden look at Palin and say, “Governor, you’re no Hillary Clinton!”

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By knute, September 30, 2008 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
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Why in the world give Palin an easy time ? We have been thru 8 years of someone without any experience and look whats its gotten us. Do ya suppose its time to expect some competancy in the White House ? Could there hardly be a worse time to have some another republican in training ? Our current boob has been in training for eight years and dosen’t seem a bit smarter then 8 years ago.

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By Alan, September 30, 2008 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment
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Let’s not use that former Republican operative’s
neofa-logism, “triangulation”, let’s just
say this process is mired in the bermuda triangle.
Is everybody cra-zee?  Well, we’ll make nice,
yes , Governor, well Governor, I wouldn’t
exactly put it that way, I don’t think god has
a particular special plan for nuclear weapons.
I might see it slightly differently governor,
I don’t exactly think that a new abm system
in Alaska will benefit our national defense,
perhaps Idaho?  Oh I totally agree Governor
I think a marshmallow roast at the Bering straits
might do wonders for international relations.

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