By Folktruther, September 15 at 12:31 pm #

I am very well aware of it.

When you are glued to a radio and/or TV and the minute by minute updates are comming in (a la OJ), whatever the MSM comes up with in the aftermath doesn’t matter. 

There were thousands of other Washington DC listeners who were well aware that a passenger jet was headed their way.

I guess the storymakers were more concerned with making heros out of the victims than making the public aware of the lengths our government will go to to protect itself.

What, Patrick, you heard on the radio that two f-16’s shot down the Penna plane!  For God’s sake, tell the 9/11 truthers about it. The only way they know this stuff is if everyone gives some part of the evidence.  They later conceal the evidence, you know.

I was in my office on 9/11, listening to WTOP in Washington DC, after hearing of the towers and Pentagon in real time,  there was rather concise reporting that the UA93 plane was being followed by 2 F-16’s and later that it had been shot down by them! 

WTOP has developed in Washinton DC as on of the most propaganda driven machines for the current administration, it does however have traffic and weather every 10 minutes which are hard to dispute.

That Penna crash does suound suspcious, Cyrena, now that you focus on it.  And I wouldn’t put too much stock in the cororners.  Gary Webb, the investigative journalist who broke the story of the CIA distributing drugs in LA, and was essentially fired, was just finishing another book, while being hounded by the “government.”  He was shot in the face.  Twice.  The coroner ruled it a sucicide.

In the Robert Kennedy assassination, the coroner ruled that Kennedy was shot in the back of the head from a few inches away, while Sirhan was in fromt feet away.  They fired him, and the Japanese community had to mobilize to get his job back.

By Folktruther, September 14 at 9:07 pm #
Cyrena-there has been many questions and questioners about the Pentagon crash.  But I read that the Penna crash, possibly through shooting the plane down, was scattered over an eight mile tract.  That evidence of the plane was found.  Obviously they lie so much you can’t believe anything that’s said, but I didn’t think to doubt this.  Is this wrong?  Was no evidence found?
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Folktruther, I’ve heard/read the same thing about the debris from UA 93 being scattered over a large area, though I can’t remember the exact ‘mileage distance’ that was used. (I think I’ve read more than one figure). But, there are things completely wrong with that, beginning with the fact that debris from an air disaster would not scatter that far from being shot down, or from crashing for any other reason. The ONLY way I could see a scattering of that distance would be if two aircraft actually collided with each other, as they did over the Canary Islands some decades ago. It’s impossible to visualize that from an aircraft being shot down, but again…I suppose there is a first time for anything, and it would have everything to do with so much other stuff that there isn’t time or space to put here. (I can later if you’re really interested though). Maybe it’s understandable enough to say that the wind velocity required to spread the debris that wide, would have needed to be as strong as those (winds) sustained by at least a cat 3 hurricane or similar level tornado, in which case NO airplanes would be in the air. (those weather conditions did not exist in the US system on that day).

But the OTHER thing that makes it far more unbelievable is that if this evidence was indeed found, NOBODY SAW IT!! Like, where was the news media? Where were the helicopters that should have been giving us live feed from the spot? Surely THEY could have relayed a birds-eye view of the wreckage, even if it were scattered over 12 or 15 miles, (another impossibility)

So, IF there was wreckage recovered, (and I admit that I’ve heard the same, because there are coroners claiming that they recovered and identified all of the people) they just have never given us the tiniest glimpse of it.
And of course, most of us would not have reason to doubt it…at least not then. You’re right that they lie so much, how would we know? Besides that, it was total information overload, because there were allegedly 4 planes involved. Our eyes were constantly (and for days and weeks) riveted on those burning towers, and the same talking heads, over and over again…all of the same images. So it would only be later, and only if one was accustomed to knowing what to expect in the aftermath of air disasters, that we might realize that we never actually SAW any of this evidence. Only if we think about every other air disaster or other major catastrophe like it that we’ve witnessed in the past, would we make the connection that all of that was MISSING in this case.
I mean, Egypt Air (can’t remember the flt number right now) went down in the Atlantic Ocean, but there was still visible evidence of its remains. It took days to finally locate John Kennedy Jr’s small plane at the bottom of the Atlantic, but we know that they eventually did. I’ve unfortunately seen the aftermath of other air disasters, and so I know that there is ALWAYS evidence. Even the AA flight that slammed into the mountains over Columbia left visual evidence, and that was probably far more ‘scattered’ than most, just because of the location.

TBC in part 2

Part 2 of 2 for folktruther

But even if we consider that wreckage was scattered, it’s totally inconceivable to think that we would not have seen SOME view of at least the recovery or emergency response. I have (unfortunately) been either a witness to, or a first responder to far too many air disasters, and to think that not even an ambulance or a single fire truck appeared on the scene is simply too far to stretch.

Still, we believed what they told us regarding 9/11, because I think that’s just the way the “programming” was planned. In the first chapter of the second edition of an excellent book by Webster Tarpley, “9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA”, he poses a question that we don’t generally consider..”What do you know, and how do you know it?”

He goes on here, “..think for a minute; if you think you know all about 9/11, how do you know what you think you know?” When I tried this exercise myself, (though it was 5 years after the fact, and I already didn’t believe a whole bunch of it from the beginning) I realized that absolutely EVERYTHING we think we know, comes from what we’ve been told by the media, or by the same ‘officials’ involved in the perpetration of the thing. (at least I think they were involved).

He goes on to say that “the first identification of OBL and AQ as the perpetrators came during the DAY of September 11, as various commentators and announcers for cable, broadcast, and public television began floating the charge that bin Laden and al-Qaeda were behind the attacks.” Or, as Louise would say, by lunch they new that we had been attacked by foreign terrorists, and by dinner of the same day, the whole thing was ‘solved’. But how many of us would have so immediately fingered OBL and AQ, if not for the ‘input/programming’ of the media?  It’s true that when the OKC Federal Building was bombed, the first utterings from the media were ‘The Muslims did it”. But how many American’s were familiar with al-Qaeda at the time of 9/11? Some of us knew of bin Laden, but in all honesty, not many. Yet, that’s what was floated as the certainty, nearly from the first moment.

Another good book that gets the thought train flowing in this direction is “Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11” by Barrie Zwicker. I’ve not finished reading it all, but it definitely poses some serious questions.

Cyrena-there has been many questions and questioners about the Pentagon crash.  But I read that the Penna crash, possibly through shooting the plane down, was scattered over an eight mile tract.  That evidence of the plane was found.  Obviously they lie so much you can’t believe anything that’s said, but I didn’t think to doubt this.  Is this wrong?  Was no evidence found?

By Folktruther, September 14 at 11:23 am #
•  I don’t understand, Cyrena.  You said before that there was an override gadget that could allow the planes to be controlled from the ground, which is reasonable and makes the most sense.  Are you saying that the planes didn’t crash into the buildings?
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Folktruther, I’ve suggested a few scenarios based on several *facts* and one of those facts is that YES, commercial jetliners can (in selected instances) be remotely controlled. It’s actually less ‘remotely’ than the term implies. On these particular planes, the aircraft can actually be programmed prior to its departure, by way of the Flight Deck Computer. Specifically on over water flights that operate outside of a radar environment, the automated flight plan is uploaded to the Flight Deck Computer prior to the departure of the flight.

I have no way to know *personally* if that was done in the case of the 4 jetliners that disappeared on 9/11. Based on the operating protocol ~at the time~ such uploading of the entire flight plan would not have taken place on any of these flights, because they were not international flights, or intended to travel over an extended expanse of an ocean. A standard hard copy of the plan would have been available to the crew before departure, and that would have been satisfactory. Either way, I have no way to personally know. I *do* know that there most certainly is a way to do some very fundamental controls of that aircraft series, (the Boeing Seven Series) from remote locations. So, that’s what I have indeed noted on this forum in the past. Again, I wasn’t there personally, nor was I involved in the flight planning or tracking of those or any aircraft on that particular day.

For those same reasons, (I wasn’t there) I did NOT say that there weren’t any planes at all. Again, I was in Northern California at the time, having just returned from the other side of the country the day before. That means that I saw the same thing that most Americans saw on their TV’s in reference to the attacks on the WTC at NYC. From the media tape that most of us saw that day, it certainly LOOKED like two commercial jetliners smashing into the North and South Towers of the WTC. That accounts for two of the four, if in fact that was what we were looking at in that footage. (the ACTUAL CRASH footage is extremely limited (or at least it was at the time) to one or two photos shown at slightly varying angles. None of them provide any way to positively identify the aircrafts though. So, I saw the same thing that everybody else saw, and maybe it was AA flight 11 and UA flight 175. That’s what we’ve been told. Again, there is no way to confirm the actual identity of the aircraft that we saw hit the towers. STILL. I haven’t even been able to find out which specific airplanes (based on their own vehicle number) were actually planned for any of those flights. Seems like the ship numbers for all of them should have been part of the investigation. If they were, I missed it.

As for UA flight 93 and AA flight 77, I have no reason to believe that either of them was ever where they were claimed to be. There has been zero physical evidence that AA flight 77 crashed at the Pentagon, and we have the same zero for physical evidence that UA flight 93 went down in a field in Shanksville, PA. Not a shred of physical evidence that either of those planes, passengers, crew, and cargo were in those locations. A Boeing 757 did NOT create the damage we were “allowed” to see at the Pentagon, so I’ve never believed or entertained that part of the myth. All I can say about either of those planes, (and in reality, all four of them I suppose) is that *I* don’t know WHAT the hell happened to them, because there has been no way to prove what happened, one way or the other. (at least not for me, because it would mean access to tons of records, which most of us don’t have.)

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Now if there’s anybody out there with some bona fide ‘physical’ proof, even film footage of any piece of any of these airplanes, or even of some sort of disaster response, (note the most recent transportation disaster with the rail crash in the Los Angeles area on Friday – there was film coverage from nearly the first moment apparently, and photos contained in the stories for print) then that would be quite a ‘find’. Believe me, I’ve been looking.

I don’t know if this helps you understand folktruther, you being an absolutist and all. Since I’m a reality type person, things are a bit more complex. I can’t tell you (because I don’t know) exactly what became of those four commercial passenger jetliners on Sept. 11, 2001. I can tell you (just using basic knowledge and facts) that the official version of 9/11 from the alleged ‘government’ is a series of falsehoods that fails to provide convincing logistics or facts, or the slightest bit of corroboration for how they arrived at their conclusions.

If you still don’t get it, it’s because of what we’ve all now discovered, which is that you’re permanently stuck in your either/or position. It’s the absolutists’ posture that it (whatever ‘it’ is) can ONLY be one thing or the other. (you’d make a really dismal diagnostician) So, it’s either the planes at the WTC were remotely controlled, (which IS a possibility) or they weren’t there at all. At least that’s what you present to assume that I’m saying. It isn’t.

In fact, I’ve been very consistent on this forum, in respect to my take on 9/11 and just about anything, in maintaining a multi-level awareness. This seems to be something that you (and others) just can’t get. It doesn’t have to always be, one thing or another, because that isn’t reality. You’ve apparently got this antiquated switch on your thought process, that only has two settings, on and off. In other words, you need an updated switch/processor/transponder/ that allows you to receive and transmit on more than one channel, to deal with the more complex issues that the 21st Century has delivered. And, that’s pretty much a necessity whether you like it or not. That’s just the way it is, if ya wanna keep up. Besides, stunted thought processing is a liability, and the thinking process should be your most cherished asset.

Telling last line:

““The question is,” said one of the sources, “Why wasn’t this done a year ago?”“

You mean SEVEN (7) years ago.  They entered Afghanistan in October 2001, where they deliberately let a massive convoy escape at Tora Bora, back over the border into Pakistan.  They then allowed a massive airlift to fly out a couple thousand “Al Qaeda fighters” back into Pakistan as well, while the USAF controlled the skies (“air superiority”) over Afghanistan.

What’s going on now is risky business and a total mess.  But in order to understand it, you need to understand that the manufactured “war on terrorism” is a fraud.  It isn’t supposed to end.  It isn’t supposed to be “won.”  It is a cash cow, a goose laying golden car bombs.  It is Washington’s wet dream, and demonstrably so.

The “War on Terror” Fraud, and the Washington Post’s “New Approach”

I don’t understand, Cyrena.  You said before that there was an override gadget that could allow the planes to be controlled from the ground, which is reasonable and makes the most sense.

Are you saying that the planes didn’t crash into the buildings?

By TheRealFish, September 12 at 9:40 pm

•  “911Truthers: The neocons did not have to kill 3K+ US citizens to push their agenda. No matter how much you folks yak about those ideas, the main problem is your assertions make no political sense (nefarious or otherwise) and don’t stand up to accident reconstruction scrutiny. …Terrorists hijacked jets and crashed them into the buildings. Period. Occam’s Razor, not X-Files. “
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I have to concur with 911truthdotorg on this one RealFish:

Yes they did….

….And, I don’t even think of myself as a ‘9/11 truther’. Maybe I am, but it’s been so long now, that the term ‘truther’ in terms of 9/11 doesn’t carry the same ‘stigma’ that the propaganda ministry was so quick to attach to it, via the help of the Ministry’s Press – AKA – MSM, and some alternative propaganda as well, thanks to internet and telecommunications technology. (Orwell probably wouldn’t believe it himself if he were here now…then again, he probably would. He wrote the book).

I’ve told my tale here many times on the most plausible explanation for how the events of 9/11 were planned and orchestrated, and who did it. But the bottom line is that mine is a different version than the ‘official version’ conspiracy. That one is wrought with all kinds of factual/logistical errors and contradictions that no person of even average intelligence would fail to recognize if they actually did take the time to read it carefully. But…it DOES call for a careful read, and with an open mind. Or, maybe I should say an unemotional mind. That’s harder to do than a lot of us might think, because we’ve been shocked and awed, just like 911truthdotorg said.
It helps to have some general knowledge of the components involved as well, like the “Islamist Terror” part of it, or the aviation logistics part of it, or some other ‘element’ of your own experiences that would make you say, “Wait a minute, it couldn’t have happened that way.” That’s what happened with me, nearly from the beginning. There were just too many ‘parts’ of it that ….couldn’t have happened that way.

So the official story of 9/11 basically expects us to believe that 4 commercial airliners with passengers, crew, and cargo could virtually DISAPPEAR WITHOUT A TRACE, and within the space of less than 2 hours, and big ass skyscraper buildings could just go ‘poof’ and crumple to the ground, (even one that didn’t have a hit attached to it in the photos). That’s what the official conspiracy wants us to believe.

Because, since they have never produced even the tiniest sliver of evidence that ANY of those 4 jetliners ever crashed in any of the alleged areas. I say never produced even the tiniest sliver of physical evidence because that is the bottom line truth. They haven’t. There has been ZERO proof of the official version. So, we’re supposed to believe that 4 commercial airliners could literally DISAPPEAR, like some sort of Bermuda Triangle phenomena, and that simply stretches the mind too far.
That is unless the mind has already been too terrorized by the shock and awe of the ‘event’ itself….at least the part we saw on the TV, over and over and over again, and as victims/relatives grieved. But then, that’s the point of terror operations. They’re intended to terrorize. So, being in a terrorized state and all, most of us would be absorbing whatever it is they’re feeding, and unless we just happened to think of other stuff based on personal experience. That much was the case with me.

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Meantime, it’s like jackpine said, there are two conspiracy theories attached to 9/11, (actually there are at least three, but I’ll explain that later if anybody really wants to know) and ONE of them has been designated as the ‘Official” Report, (it even has the word ‘official’ in the subtitle of the book/report) and the others aren’t. That doesn’t make the official story any LESS a conspiracy theory than the others are.

And of course in my own case, I still can’t get beyond the 4 disappeared airplanes and all of the people and their belongings. I spent over a quarter-century career in the aviation industry, and I know that stuff just doesn’t happen. It’s true that airliners have been hijacked. That isn’t a secret, and we’ve seen it off and on for decades, interspersed with unrelated air disasters, but disasters none-the-less.

So we KNOW by now, what to expect in the aftermath of these types of catastrophes, and NONE of that happened. We know that no ship goes down without leaving SOME evidence, even if it’s at the bottom of the ocean. Now that’s only ONE of the alternative realities that the official version wants us to accept. As they ‘fill it out’ more, and add in the Islamic part to the terrorist stuff, it takes us even deeper into the rabbit hole, because there’s zero proof of that either.

But, more importantly, it allows them to do exactly what they HAVE DONE, (install an authoritarian state not unlike that of multiple other fascists or other dictators of history) and they would NOT have been able to accomplish that if *not* for the initial Coup of 2000 and the fraudulent ‘selection’ of Dick Bush for Pres, and the coup d’ état that finished it up on 9/11/2001. Without the terror of 9/11, and the boogey man of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, (which we ultimately ‘made’) there would have been no way to totally destroy our rule of law. There would have been no way for the Bush Doctrine of anticipatory pre-emptive militarism, or for the Cheney Doctrine of the Unitary Executive. Without 9/11 they could never have pulled off the complete kleptocracy of our treasury and natural resources, because they would have been without an excuse to start their wars. And of course at the top of the list of achievements was the OIL for Bush-Cheney’s private industry – controlling the global energy.

Without a doubt, most of this could have been managed without the event of 9/11, and the way it was spun. They didn’t just capitalize on the event in some ‘after the fact’ opportunist posture. They PLANNED it.

So yeah, that’s why they needed to do it. As far as accident reconstruction goes, there hasn’t been any. At least not any ‘real’ efforts. I know what is involved in accident reconstruction in aviation catastrophes, and that was never accomplished by the standard agencies in the disasters of 9/11. The NTSB and the FAA have been conducting such reconstructions for at least 40 years, and this was the one time they did NOT. Or, maybe I should say there is no public record of such an investigation, even though that should be AUTOMATIC. But then, how *could* they, if there was nothing to ‘investigate’ or reconstruct? Nothing in the field in Pennsylvania, NO signs of a jetliner at the Pentagon. And of course in NYC, we have the remains of 3,000+ people and 3 skyscrapers brought down by explosives, so there’s nothing for the NTSB or the FAA there either. Based on that, it’s incorrect and even misleading to suggest that any bona fide accident reconstruction ever took place.

So again, at this point, all we know is that we were terrorized on 9/11/01. We still don’t know for sure “exactly” who or “exactly” how they did it.

Great.  Bush completely lost interest in finding Bin Laden to protect the country, but he’s damn sure going to get him for political purposes.  What a guy.

It sure will be swell when the produce the corpse of Bin Laden (he won’t be captured alive) just in time to prove that Republicans are keeping America safe from evil.

The voters will swoon; McCain will be swept into office; and we’ll have to learn our lessons the hard way…if we ever learn them at all.

I think that Bin Laden is in a US Prison and will be brought out just before the election.

Oh goody, we got him. Look at how well BUSH and CO protect us !!

I guess Osama will have to be resurrected.

Then again Bush is a born again christian and believes he can raise the dead.

I would not rule out that this Evil-in-Chief and his cohorts are orchestrating another big lie on the hope of giving Republican McCain a bigger chance to get elected.

Here how I imagine the plot they’ve been working on lately: Since Bin Laden has died some time ago from a serious illness he had, the plan is to artificially create a mummy that looks like Bin Laden. Then, at the right time after a military strike, they will take few pictures of the mummy covered with some blood, and produce these pictures to the world as evidence that they finally got him. No media or objective journalists will be allowed close to the artificial cadaver to verify the truth. But also, as part of perfecting their plot, they might buy some media people to falsely testify that what they’ve seen was real! With the technological cinematic tricks of modern times, they are capable of creating a movie that looks like the real thing!

I think Not!
Even Kimmy Boy has a few Doubles he’s been sending out after his stroke. why not a ‘body double ’ for Dicks Buddy Binny Too?
Far better of course will be the unidentifiable Remains after a claimed direct hit- Can we find a finger print, would DNA testing prove anything if the Control sample is provided by any Dept in this Administration and then testing is done by these same complicite agencies?
Was 9/11 Binny’s Reimbursement for the help he got with the Russians by the Reagan Administration (Cheney,Rumsfeld & Wolfie Too)?
And how are they going to explain how a man with renal failure requiring dialysis eluded them so long- No one will buy the ‘Generator in the Cave Story’think Americans Did notice that Saudi Arabian was NEVER mentioned on the list of Terrorist Enabling Countries- even though the Majority call it Home. Ever considered that the ideology which inspired these terrorist to go off to terrrorist University in Afghanistan, was spawn and nurtured in Saudi Arabia? do they think we have forgotten about when we originally told Our gov’t to get the fuck out of the M.E. in the ‘70’s!did they think we missed the fact our entire economy has been hinged on M.E. Oil since then-Thanks to the Privatization of energy Control by Western conglomerates. think we have not made the connection between 2 Oil men in the WH and higher Oil & Gas prices. Think we missed the Quarterly profits of big Oil?
think any one else but the dumbfucks who are still drinking their laced Koolaid will Buy this 11th hour capture or staged Death?
go ahead Pull this Scam off too- and get mac out their Proclaiming his intimate involvement/ Knowledge. It will Ultimately be as revealing about Mac as the clips from right after the ‘Anthrax attacks’ when he ‘leaked’ Saddams Involvement (even though it was already determined to be from Our military Base)

911truthdotorg
At least this much is true: the Bush admintration knew it was coming and allowed it to happen since it was exactly what they wanted according to the PNAC.  Beyond that nothing can be proven.
If anyone in a Gore administration had made the statement made by Rice - that they received the warnings that terrorists would hijack aircraft and crash them into buildings but they didn’t act upon that information because no specific dates or specific airports were mentioned - Gore would have been impeached.

LEASH HIM-MUZZLE HIM-MAKE HIM GO LAY DOWN LIKE A BAD DOG-DO NOT ALLOW HIM TO DO ANY MORE DAMAGE!!!
“BULLSH*T” IS ON HIS WAY OUT!!!!!!!!

That’s funny, it was just in the last few days that Dana Perino said that Osama wasn’t really important because he wasn’t the “mastermind” behind 9/11.

Rus,

You’re right, a theory has to eventually be proven.  The same could/should be said of the government’s theory as to what happened on 9/11.  That one hasn’t been proven to any degree either…beyond calling it official.

There are two, competing conspiracy theories about 9/11.  Neither has much in the way of ironclad fact behind it.  One, however, is promoted by the most untrustworthy organization in our nation: the federal government.

TheRealFish wrote -

911Truthers: The neocons did not have to kill 3K+ US citizens to push their agenda. No matter how much you folks yak about those ideas, the main problem is your assertions make no political sense (nefarious or otherwise) and don’t stand up to accident reconstruction scrutiny.

Ummmmm….yes they did. The “Shock and Awe” campaign started on 9/11 not on March 20, 2003 when he started his invasion of Iraq.

According to The Project for the New American Century report, “The American peace has proven itself peaceful, stable, and durable. Yet no moment in international politics can be frozen in time: even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself.” To preserve this “American peace” through the 21st century, the PNAC report concludes that the global order “must have a secure foundation on unquestioned U.S. military preeminence.” The report struck a prescient note when it observed that “the process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

bush is a nazi like his father and grandfather…and they learned from the best madman there ever was.

“The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.”
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Sadly, Hitler was SO right. The vast majority of people in this country are blind, ignorant, “patriotic” sheep who question nothing. They knew they’d get away with 9/11. And thanks to people like you, they have. Bravo.

McInsane or Obama - nothing will change.

911Truthers: The neocons did not have to kill 3K+ US citizens to push their agenda. No matter how much you folks yak about those ideas, the main problem is your assertions make no political sense (nefarious or otherwise) and don’t stand up to accident reconstruction scrutiny.

Terrorists hijacked jets and crashed them into the buildings. Period. Occam’s Razor, not X-Files.

Yellowbird: Focus, dude. You may hate it all, and I feel your pain, but the takeover of the Constitution can not be defeated by going off all over the map.

If you really want a center of focus for your fear/disgust/hatred/whatever-that-is, I encourage you to go a-Googling, search out and read “The Doctrine of Fascism”, published by the very guy who created fascism, Benito Mussolini, from 1932.

It is a tough read, since a lot of it rambles on with gaseous vagaries but, right in the center, it lays out a pretty clear map of central assertions of how governments should work that the neo-conservatives have been putting in place right here in the good old USA for 30 years now.

The new twist the neo-cons added: Where Mussolini said that the all-powerful “State” would own all business/corporations, the neo-cons have constructed a mirror-image: They have outsourced the core functions of our government.

I’m not talking lobbyists or soft stuff like that. I’m talking very literally. Like the two private corporations whose employees “inappropriately” accessed the passport records of (first) Obama then (after the access was outed) H. Clinton and McCain.

I looked up the “customer” list on both those company web sites. Very helpful sites. That list showed as customers just about every branch of the federal government I could think of: From the Dept. of Ed. to FHA, from the House and Senate to the NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and the FBI. What service did both those companies provide to their “customers”?

Information Technology.

So, all those places, including the folks that keep passport records, have outsourced to private corporations all their IT infrastructure.

Maybe that doesn’t raise the little hairs on your arms—but I work in IT, and know what that means, and every one of my little hairs stood at attention when I saw those lists.

Instead of the State controlling corporations, the corporations control the State. Different path, same destination.

And THIS is what was ushered in by the (mostly) neo-con control of this government for the past 8 years. THAT is “the way things work in Washington” now, and we have maybe one last election to attempt stopping this silent takeover.

See: THAT’s change we must believe in.

Why is bush looking for bin Laden for 9/11??

All he has to do is look in the mirror for the monster who was behind 9/11. I’d say cheney, too, but he can’t see his reflection.

Go here and read: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

Notice that bin Laden is not wanted for 9/11.

The “official” story of 9/11 is an absolute lie!

http://www.ae911truth.org
http://www.911truth.org

Leave it to Bush—and all the other neo-con-jobs—to politicize even the hunt and capture of one of the greatest criminals in American history.

Where was this response back in 2001-2002 when Bush The Lesser decreed to bring Osama down, “dead or alive”? Or 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007?

Why, of course: It’s because the neo-fascists are about to lose control of the newly minted imperial presidency (proto-dictatorship)—not because Bin Laden killed 3,000+ citizens on home soil.

No. It’s all about keeping power, not to “...defend and protect the Constitution of the United States” and the citizens it (and he) serves. I remember him swearing that oath twice before his very own god, and yet it was—and is—the very first promise he breaks at every opportunity.

And I can hear it now: “I’m John McCain, and I approve of this message.”

well folks: they have the drones here! In the USA; for California; over the National forests; case anyone tries to escape from the BIG CHANGE coming down to “rebuild” and “renew” USA; it is coming from Feds (all of Congress, P, VP, & of course, Pentagon); no longer run by “citizens” of course; but by “politicians” who of course have total immunity from being prosecuted: they own the land, they own the water: gave it over to Monsanto I believe it is called: google agent orange: genetic seeds: Fed judges giving THEM farms: gosh, any idea where all the missing Americans are? oh, yes: they are going to REGULATE the housing & banking: funniest thing! it WAS already done back after the great depression; aren’t YOU glad that this is a nation of law? (run by lawless leaders) but hey hey hey spreading “slavery” to Corps all over the earth! aren’t YOU glad you are feeding cloned meat, cloned milk, nice leafy greens made with Agent Orange & pesticides & things? gotta make that money for the sister Corp; the BIG PHARMA after all: THATs what DEMOCRACY is all about! EXPLOITING & HARMING the many for the profit of the few! gotta go bomb all those OTHER countries & STEAL their land! by GOD, we are the GREATEST country of all: of deceiving everyone into BELIEVING it is always someone else: and never ever ever the USA & Corps: wonder why the CIA planes (3) maybe more were all filled with drugs? mmmmmmmmmmmmm