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Secret Bush Order OKs Strikes Inside Pakistan

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Posted on Sep 12, 2008
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A U.S. soldier keeps watch over the Afghan-Pakistani border, hiding ground for Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida fighters.

A secret executive order signed by President Bush grants U.S. military forces “carte blanche” to launch counterterrorist operations inside Pakistan. An attack last week under the auspices of the unprecedented July order is raising concerns: Pakistani officials declared the operation illegal, and international analysts fear an escalating conflict could start a regionwide war.

The new but very familiar unilateral approach by the Bush administration came at an odd time, before the U.S. presidential elections, before the swearing in of Asif Ali Zardari as Pakistan’s new president, and after the U.S. criticized Russia for its invasion of Georgia.


The Guardian:

A secret order issued by George Bush giving US special forces carte blanche to mount counter-terrorist operations inside Pakistani territory raised fears last night that escalating conflict was spreading from Afghanistan to Pakistan and could ignite a region-wide war.

The unprecedented executive order, signed by Bush in July after an intense internal administration debate, comes amid western concern that the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan and its al-Qaida backers based in “safe havens” in western Pakistan’s tribal belt is being lost.

Following Bush’s decision, US navy Seals commandos, backed by attack helicopters, launched a ground raid into Pakistan last week which the US claimed killed about two dozen insurgents. Pakistani officials condemned the raid as illegal and said most of the dead were civilians. US and Nato commanders are anxious to halt infiltration across the Afghanistan-Pakistan border of insurgents and weapons blamed for casualties among coalition troops. The killing of a US soldier in eastern Afghanistan yesterday brought American losses in 2008 to 112, the deadliest year since the 2001 intervention. The move is regarded as unprecedented in terms of sending troops into a friendly, allied country.

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By cyrena, September 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

No Folktruther, I definitely do NOT support violations of international or domestic law.

Your own intellectual perfidy is clearly recognized here in your accusations.

And, I don’t have time to engage in any discussions with you, based on the fact that YOU (and those of your ilk) are the real dangers to society-at-large.

You’re part of the problem folktruther. A real creep capable of much destruction all by yourself.

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By Folktruther, September 13, 2008 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

I see, Cyrena, you just make the stuff up as you go along.  You argue both sides of each position, whatever, at any one time, will defend the interests of the Dem neocon leaders. 

You are in favor of international law and the violation of international law, in favor of fighting terrorism with war while acknowleging that 9/11 was a false flag operation, in favor of Obaden when he holds the same position as Bush-Cheney, which you oppose.

Principled inconsistency, I suppose you could call it, because reality is inconsistent. And this confuses and confounds the population since there is no consistent principles that you can argue against, accept that of logically inconsistency, which you support.  Just as long as it supports the Dem neolibs.

i don’t recall anyone arguing the priciple of intellectual dishonesty so frankly, Cyrena, except the Leo Strauss neocons who believe in Elitist deception of the population. Such a practice is leading us toward nuclear war but I suppose you could argue that the Gops would lead us their faster, more destructively and more irrationally. 

Even though the policy of princpled inconsistency is itself irrational.  But this princpled irrationality is justified on the basis that political reality is irrational, and requires irrationality to understand it.  And the population is too stupid to understand and must therefore leave it to an Academic Elite.

And this ediface of rationalization can be accepted even though it is rationally drivel because it serves a Higher Good, the election of Dems.

It is obvious that the Educated deception of religion which legitimated agrarian and feudal polities has now been largely replaced by the Educated deception of politics to delude the population and divert them into policies that destroy them.

But it has always been the vocation of the Educated to deceive the population ideologically even as they teach them specialist techniques necessary to do their jobs and perform their power roles.  Indeed, class based polities could not function without such Educated and Informed deceit, especially in periods of power decay. 

As the deceit of the Gop neocons are incorporated into the institutions of the Dem neolibs, I suppose that the traditonal evasion and distraction of political and social thought will increasingly include irrationality.

You are probably the wave of the future in the US, Cyrena.

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By yellowbird2525, September 13, 2008 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

usury laws were put into place right after banking came along; they were entered as law based on scriptures to PROTECT the people: what our “nation” of “law” has done: is do away with the laws protecting the people in every single area of life; not just with finances: Federal Reserve said: this is CRIMINAL & DECEPTIVE BUSINESS PRACTICE re credit card interest rates & additional fees; course it is; taken before the lawmakers numerous times they did NOTHING because of the fact that THEY were in on the agenda of HARMING the people of the USA; just like the “harrassing” calls: which are illegal in the USA; consider this: years ago, our political parties sat down with the Corps and decided to aggressively attack the people of the USA with a great deal of malice in their hearts; THEY with Corps started the “all military personnel” have mental problems so that the Corps could DENY them jobs when they returned from the preset & prestaged war in Iraq; that they “planned” for ahead of time; and the Pentagon had 50% only of the force there; and the big parasites in on overbilling to pilfer billions & trillions of $ from Americans were OUTSIDE when the plane hit: “practicing” for a PLANE hitting the PENTAGON. Oh, but I am sure that it was just a “coincidence”; Bill Clinton finished what Bush Sr couldn’t in getting Canada & Mexico bribed & letting THEIR constitutions & Gov go the way as ours: they went in and STOLE their land: LOOK at S. America: they KICKED the US ambassador out: who is “only trying to “spread” democracy and STOP POVERTY??????? Get REAL folks! THEY ARE AFTER THEIR LAND and to make MORE SLAVES like the Americans are who do not even KNOW enough to KNOW that they are enslaved!

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By yellowbird2525, September 13, 2008 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Congress is IN on it folks: as well as your Gov’s & folks conveniently “placed” in counties & cities: our Gov is RUN by Corps: and tearing the FACE of “decency” off: they have ALWAYS & EVER aggressively attacked other nations; gone to neighboring countries (such as Iraq & Saddam Hussain); loaded him up with weapons & help & added him in OVERTHROWING democractic societies to set up DICTATORSHIPS which harm the people: NOT “help”; LOOK at what has been done in the USA; NOT what you are TOLD but what is DONE: my oldest grandson is 16; our Gov working with Corp’s put GROWTH HORMONES & other toxins in BABY INFANT FORMULA; when investigative reporters let the information out they left on “vacation” to see what would happen: the car of the lady housesitting their home was blown up with a car bomb; the reporters never returned; they assumed new identities & hid; THIS is the USA. Now you might read with all the hoopla going on over babys deaths, toxins in infant formulas, the LIES that “bad formuala” entered the country from China; it is LIES; it is FALSE PICTURES; it is DECEPTION: it is deliberately “placed” there to get folks to THINK that THIS is what folks are upset & talking about; THIS is the way the USA Gov works; it has been own & run by wealthy & Big Business for YEARS; it is NOT for the people; the PEOPLE are NOTHING; except to pay taxes & harm to the utmost to bring the most $ to the pocketbooks of the wealthy: conveniently running around getting the original archives of the internet & replacing them with FALSE INFORMATION to “cover” up their criminal actions; all the time claiming to the “good, solid, decent, upstanding folks”; when in reality BOTH parties are 1; they are diabolically good at tossing “debate” or “choice” at you: when in reality you have NONE: the “laws” on the books that they put thru for the people are for show only: like the $ spent billions of it; probably in reality hundreds of trillions of $; for “items” like the “equipment” that they always claim is “missing” or “lost”; it is in their POCKETBOOKS folks: in hidden trusts & off shore secret accounts; the FBI can only do as they are bidden to do; the homeland security is NOT what is shown to the American citizens to be at all; they are NOT concerned re “terrorists” other than ANY individual that does NOT line up with THEIR concept of global dominion with THEM getting it all & the people having nothing is a terrorist; they have an agenda & are aggressively & hostilly carrying it out even against the citizens in the USA folks: HELLO!

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By Purple Girl, September 13, 2008 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

It is time to make it very clear that just because a Politician keeps repeating their intentions,Does NOT denote the right to work from that Stance in a Democracy.A’Applause- O - Meter’ is NOT a Democratic process!Esp when the audience is in the can- literally or figuratively.
Where the Hell Are our Senators and Reps? No One has asked their constituents about starting another war. And if you go off current attitudes about iraq and Afhgnaistan, you would LOGICALLY conclued we would be AGAINST such further actions in to any Addtional Countries- Pakistan, Iran ,Russia….Americans sent a clear messege in ‘06 Get Us Out of these WAR situations!Any mission which is in conflict with that last Inquiry for Orders From the Bosses (US) is not just Derelicition of Duty ..It is Treason!
So figure out the legal loopholes and adjustments Later…Arrest Bush,Cheney,Rice- and of course finally Rove, & Meyers- and any other Accomplices- detain them as Domestic Enemy Combatants, posing an Clear & Present danger to our Security and STICK THEM AWAY IN GITMO, UNTIL WE FEEL LIKE GETTING BACK AROUND TO PROSECUTING THEM FOR THEIR BLATANT CRIMES!

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By cyrena, September 13, 2008 at 2:29 am Link to this comment

Folktruther,

You’re right, it’s not hypocrisy at all on my part. This is another matter of ‘language’ being extremely critical, and the continuing problem of an ‘either/or’ mentality. (Yours). For me, it’s almost NEVER ‘either/or’ though there are a few occasions where only absolutes are acceptable, such as in the case of torture. It is simply a NEVER under ANY circumstances prohibition.

But as for geopolitical strategies, there are multiple numbers of them…some very obviously more preferable than others. So, yes, I DO believe that sneak incursions into, and/or attacks upon any sovereign nation state are insane. However, I’m a global citizen, and I generally think in terms of international treaties, conventions, and all forms of international law. I also have a very informed awareness on the issues of global terrorism.

So, while I agree that it was insane to attack and occupy Iraq, and insane to plan the same for Iran, (and both were in the original neo-con plan) I DON’T believe that we (the US) can reasonably manage to just ignore the phenomena of global terrorism, specifically when a whole hell of a lot of it has been directed at US! (In case you haven’t been tuned in, we’ve been targeted by global terrorists before 9/11).

That said, I did NOT have any enormous problems with the original action in Afghanistan, since we were at least there with the permission of the pseudo-government of that failed state. I should probably add that I’ve since come to have reservations about even THAT, though it made enough sense at the time I suppose. That’s where al-Qaeda and bin Laden/al-Zawahiri were known to be, and known to operate camps/training bases for asymmetrical warfare. In other words Folktruther, International Law, agreements, and protocol DO provide a means for combating global terrorism, and it doesn’t require ‘ATTACKING’ entire nations, and specifically their civilian populations.

That said, you obviously don’t KNOW my ‘position in policy preferences’ despite the fact that I’ve made them clear on multiple occasions. Again, I’m committed to international law, and protocol for dealing with global issues. In my opinion, the military action initiated in response to 9/11 should have been directed at the location where the group of ‘terrorists/al-Qaeda’ were known to be, and that was in that tribal area in the Northern section of Afghanistan, where the border is shared with Pakistan. This information was well known long before 9/11, and had Dick Bush actually been serious about eliminating rather than inflaming this phenomena of global terrorism, they would not have supported Pakistan’s military dictatorship under the guise of paying Pakistan to supposedly do the job for us.

So now, 7 years later, we see that they mucked that up as well, (and intentionally, since I believe the set-up was only intended as a payout to Musharraf) and now we STILL have the ‘terrorists’ in even larger numbers, situated in the same area. And THAT is a matter of ‘realities on the ground’ and my ‘policy preferences’ are dictated by realities on the ground. In other words, which PROTOCAL is best suited to the realities on the ground, at any given time? That’s how my ‘policy preferences’ are determined. Would that it be the same for those carrying out such geopolitical decisions.

I think you will find yourself consistently frustrated with me Folktruther, because my own political positions aren’t particular to any given “party” or even “candidate” ideology. Besides that, I’m a realist. There has never been a party or a candidate for anything, with whom I’ve agreed 100%. That’s just the way the world operates and the way I operate within it.

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By Folktruther, September 12, 2008 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, on one hand you agree that attacking Pakistan is insane.  On the other you say that Obama-Biden would never do it, even though he has advocated and pushed such an action for years, and has stated publically that he would act pre-emptively if he could not act will allies.

Then you give a link for an article that appears to approve this action, stating in the final sentence-why wasn’t this done a year ago.

This doesn’t appear to be hypocrcy.  You seem to believe in two incompatible geo-strategies.  You are against it if Bush-Cheney promote it and are for it to the extent that Obama-Biden support it.  Such a position may help win elections, but it legitmates a policy that measurely increases the likelihood of nuclear war.

Your position in the election appears incompatible with your policy preferences.

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By cyrena, September 12, 2008 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

This just came through on the international forum thread from the MyBarackObama multi-forum site.

Pakistan Raid Start Of Concerted Bid To Hit Al-Qaida

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94578078

  “NPR has learned that the raid by helicopter-borne U.S. Special Operations forces in Pakistan last week was not an isolated incident but part of a three-phase plan, approved by President Bush, to strike at Osama bin Laden and top al-Qaida leadership.”

Interesting, (though not surprising) read.

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By cyrena, September 12, 2008 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

But how can you deny that Obama has been advocating it for years, and increasing political pressure, or at least acceptance of such a demented action.

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I didn’t deny that Obama has been advocating for years at pressing the attention on the Taliban/al-Qaeda Folktruther. In fact, I took the time to explain just the opposite.

And no, I don’t believe for a moment that Barack Obama, were he in a position to act, would have OK’d such an action without the permission and knowledge of the Pakistani government, or the International Community. This is strictly Bush Doctrine activity. Pre-emptive attacks anywhere they choose, and always by SECRET executive order!!!

There’s no comparison here.

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By Folktruther, September 12, 2008 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, of course Bush-Cheney initiated the escalation of the Afghan war to Pakistan.  But how can you deny that Obama has been advocating it for years, and increasing political pressure, or at least acceptance of such a demented action.

The Dems and Gop leaders BOTH agree on this incredibly dangerous step because they are both backed by the same faction or cabal of the ruling class that wants them to.  Obama argued for this position in his campaign book THE AUDACITY OF HOPE.

How can you say that he is not partly responsible for it. And why would we want anyone who is as president.

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By Ejaz Asi, September 12, 2008 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment
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ironically US govt has been baffled by anti-american sentiment found in Pakistanis for as long as I can remember and I can only honestly say Bush has worsened the situation beyond repairs. You talk of democracy, justice and ‘cross-border’ agression and what not and look what’s got Bush administration out of their minds. Can anyone tell me US rebuking Russia over its intervention in Georgia has any moral grounds?

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By cyrena, September 12, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

WTF?????

Who needs more PROOF that Dick Bush is totally out of his F-ING MIND????

Folktruther,

I actually agree with most of your post here:

“By Folktruther, September 12 at 9:32 am #
•  “The projected US attack on Iran was insane.  The US attack on Pakistan is worse.  The US is committing acts of war against a nuclear armed country on China’s border, largely allied to China.  The people of Pakistan,it is agreed by all, fear and hate the US, and want them out of the country. “
So true. But then you go on to blame it all on Obama/Biden, and that exposes your inherent racism/bias, though you generally manage to keep that relatively covered up. I say that in this case, because logic/reality defines your accusation. Think about what you’re saying here:

•  “…These attacks were initated politially by Obama-Biden, who argued consistently and strongly that the US should extend the Afghan war to Pakistan…”

Reality check here:

These *attacks* were INITIATED by a *SECRET EXECUTIVE ORDER* from Dick Cheney via George F-ING W. BUSH back in July. THAT’S how the shit was INITIATED!!!

So it’s not about Obama or Biden controlling or otherwise directing what these psychopaths are doing. Anyone who has been paying *any* attention knows this reality, and I know you’ve been paying attention.

Whether we’ve all agreed or disagreed with Obama in respect to Afghanistan/Pakistan, *his* position on the issue has been consistent for years…like since the US first invaded Afghanistan in 2001. He still (apparently) believes that we were attacked on 9/11 by al-Qaeda terrorists. Now I *personally* am not at all convinced of that. (that we were attacked by Islamist extremists.) I do however, comprehend the position of most who attribute the attacks to Blowback, and so *could* have been perpetrated by such an entity.

Anyway, Obama is apparently one of them who believes that. In fact, most of the academic and so-called intellectual community are committed to that as the explanation for the attacks of 9/11. So, he has ALWAYS been opposed to the war on Iraq, and he’s always been in favor of tracking down OBL and wiping out al-Qaeda/Taliban. So like I said, agree with it or not, this isn’t a ‘new’ position for him, and we’ve known for years that the action in these tribal regions was supported by at least some element of Pakistan. And, we also know that Dick Bush has been financing Pakistan’s Military Dictatorship under Musharraf since October. 2001. In fact, Cheney has given over $22 billion of our dollars to Pakistan since then. Basically, that just allowed Musharraf to protect the bad guys, which is what John Kerry was talking about as far back as 2004, when he accused the Thugs of ‘outsourcing’ the job of catching OBL and the rest of the gang.

So anyway, we know for sure that Pakistan has been the top ‘ally’ for the Gangster Admin, but only for as long as they could keep Musharraf in. When Cheney figured out that Musharraf was probably on his way out, they came up with the secret executive order to attack Pakistan. This is all very SOP for this regime, so it’s illogical to put the blame elsewhere. Better to keep up, (meaning to avoid these time warps or fugue states) because at the bottom line, we need to stick with the reality.

That reality is that we’ve got some crazy ass psychopaths running the whole flippin’ world!!! Therein lies the problem, and it’s a serious one.

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By Frostedflakes, September 12, 2008 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

George Bush is a war criminal and should be tried in Hague. John McCain has aided and abetted this administration in all of its’ crimes and is just as culpable. And how can this country intervene in the affairs of Russia while it continues to practice the use of “so-called” pre-emptive strikes. Not to mention the fact that Georgia was the original aggressor by pre-emptively advancing into Ossetia: and the real reason America backs Georgia is because the Georgian president is an ally of the Cheney regime.

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By Folktruther, September 12, 2008 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

The projected US attack on Iran was insane.  The US attack on Pakistan is worse.  The US is committing acts of war against a nuclear armed country on China’s border, largely allied to China.  The people of Pakistan,it is agreed by all, fear and hate the US, and want them out of the country.

These attacks were initated politially by Obama-Biden, who argued consistently and strongly that the US should extend the Afghan war to Pakistan.  Since all the population hate and fear the US, the military is now making no serious effort to sepearate activists from the rest of the people, and is seeking to terrorize and intimidate the population by bombs, missiles and mass murder.

Hopefully the Nato allies will separate themselves from the US, even to the point of leaving the Afghan war.  The US power system is simply out of control.  It is bent on war no matter what the consequences.  We are being ruled by homicidal megalomaniacs who are trying to retrieve a hopeless war policy by getting in ever deeper.  And this escalation is supported by media owned by the ruling class and both parties owned by the ruling class.  Including Obama-Biden.

Bush is using the election to divert attention from and mask horribly dangerous geo-strategic moves from the population.  But the population is too stunned, intimidated and confused to respond.  But as Zinn and many others have said, the American people’s rebellion is our only hope.

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By purplewolf, September 12, 2008 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

As if we don’t have enough troops for the insane and illegal wars this incompetent Cretan has started already, he is at it again. Is this to assure a Repukelican victory in November or the next step in declaring Martial Law and his dictatorship he keep working on?

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By hippy pam, September 12, 2008 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

PLEASE….SOME ONE…..LEASH HIM-MUZZLE HIM-MAKE HIM GO LAY DOWN IN THE CORNER-BEFORE HE F*CKS THINGS UP WORSE THAN HE ALREADY HAS…..

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