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Posted on Aug 31, 2008
McCain and Palin
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As a news source, Politico is seen as leaning slightly right, which makes this report, “6 things Palin pick says about McCain,” surely more troubling for Team McCain than if it had run on a less sympathetic outlet.


There is no plausible way McCain could say that he picked Palin, who was only elected governor in 2006 and whose most extended public service was as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 8,471), because she was ready to be president on Day One.

Nor can McCain argue that he was looking for someone he could trust as a close adviser. Most people know the staff at the local Starbucks better than McCain knows Palin. They met for the first time last February at a National Governors Association meeting in Washington. Then, they spoke again—by phone—on Sunday while she was at the Alaska state fair and he was at home in Arizona.

McCain has made a mockery out of his campaign’s longtime contention that Barack Obama is too dangerously inexperienced to be commander in chief. Now, the Democratic ticket boasts 40 years of national experience (four years for Obama and 36 years for Joe Biden of Delaware), while the Republican ticket has 26 (McCain’s four years in the House and 22 in the Senate).

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Hmmm, thaere’s a thought.  Who is more whiny and annoying?  Lieberman or Palin?  Whom could kick whom’s ass?  Since both of their asses are on their shoulders, it would be worth watching either way.  No?

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By southernyankee, September 1, 2008 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

Since he picked Palin I haven’t heard anything from Joe Lieberman.

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By Sodium, September 1, 2008 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
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As I watched,on TV,the unappealing body language of Sarah Palin and listened to her offensive comments concerning the “eighteen million cracks”,as she puts it,in the other Party,after McCain had introduce her to his supporters in Dayton,Ohio,I kept wondering why McCain had picked her in spite of her being an unknown quantity and totally ignorant in what was required to structure strategic and effective foreign policies that would serve our national interest and above all would be compatible with the Constitution of the U.S.

I do not believe for one single minute that the pick
was for the current election because,most likely,John
McCain is NOT going to win the current election.And the Republican leaders have already sensed that the
general trends in the country do not favor them, especially after what Barack Obama,Joe Biden,Halary Clinton,former President Bill Clinton,Howard Dean and the Democratic Party have accomplished,so far,in their truly HISTORIC convention,August 25-28 2008,in Denver,Colorado.It was a smashing success by any measurement,for the whole country and the whole world to see.I,for one,watched it very carefully.Therefore,
picking the unknown quantity and inexperience from Alaska has been done to send shock waves through out the country so that the positive effect resulting from the HISTORIC convention might be confined and if
possible blunted.If that is not the case,then what is the case? The answer may not lie with McCain but with
the Republican Party big bosses.How and Why??

The leaders in the Republican Party are NO fools.They
always plan ahead of time:Nixon,Reagan and Baby Bush
were all groomed to fit the requirements

Sarah Palin is only 44 years old.Her bosses in the Republican Party can nurture her for the Presidential
elections of 2012,2016 and beyond.That is where Sarah
Palin fits nicely in their calculations.They may be
successful in their calculations and they may not be. It all depends on the ethical purity/political
correctness of the woman from Alaska.You can hold me on this one unless she ends up like Dan Quayle…..

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By Shenonymous, September 1, 2008 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Once at site, unable to link to The Open Letter to Obama to sign on.  It might be closed.  There might be more in the future?  I think that is a terrific way to get a message to the guy.  There is magic in numbers, isn’t there?  Thanx anyway.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

OK, it’s  but it’s easier to key word search: thenation, obama, letter.  That’ll take one right to it.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

FYI The Nation Magazine sent a full-page “open-letter” to Obama, spelling out precisely why we were/are enthusiastic for his candidacy.  The letter also points out many of our fears.  So far the letter has been signed by upwards of, I think 50,000 of us.  I believe one can still sign it at but I’ll go check to find the access, indirectly, to Obama’s and his crew’s attention.  BRB.

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By felicity, September 1, 2008 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

re: Cyrena

There is little doubt that there is a need for a military. However, the ultimate-death-to-our-republic fact is that our military budget now amounts to between 50 and 60 percent of our entire discretionary budget and if we keep it up, we will no longer have a country worth defending.

If I remember, didn’t the ‘military budget’ of ancient Rome lead finally to its downfall?  More recently, Russia’s war with Afghanistan finally did her in.

Ike really wasn’t kidding.  He was dead serious.

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By Leefeller, September 1, 2008 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

You guys knocked off my rose colored glasses again.

Me thinks I must keep one eye on Washington D.C. and the other on on my ass.  It seem, this time it must be the Republicans turn to lay down, I really cannot believe they are so damn ignorant? On the other hand look what we have had for the last eight years, the village idiot, commander cod piece running the nation.  Even after the election we still had a basic yes man Congress sitting on their hands when they were not wringing them.  If congress does not get their collective heads out of their collective arses, we will see little change and I will not hold my breath.  Yes the pessimist in me, sees the glass half empty, damn reality!

Special interest opportunism and greed is indeed going to change, only if Obama can or is even willing to change undue influence by corporation’s and special interests, I will be be one happy person among many others is he even trys.  But why do I feel doomed to die unhappy on our Nations legacy of destruction?  Life is but a sand speck on the worlds beaches and to short to let greed, destruction, death and taxes control how I spend my last days on this still for now beautiful earth.

Save the wolves, the Polar bears and every other thing we should not be having to save.

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By Shenonymous, September 1, 2008 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

Bending to keep business flowing does depend on “the business” at hand.  That is a too gentle way of what was called appeasement in other times.  Just so that bending isn’t so far that the ass gets vulnerable to a big kick!  Especially if it is our asses put at risk.  Sometimes gridlock means standing up for the Constitution.  How are you encouraging Obama to remember the will of the people and the sacred rights of the Constitution?  Do you have a special pipeline to Obama?  I have wanted to send my sentiments but all I get are solicitations for money.  And he really has enough of that!  Let us not forget and let us not be fools, no matter how much it sticks in our craw.  How does “the people” put pressure on a president to do anything?  Bush was completely deaf except from hearing the instructions from his neocon and corporate masters.  I am more than worried that we are pissing into the wind with our worries. Thank you Double U for keeping a sober look at reality.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

Cyrena, I can hardly believe what I am reading from you.  Aside from your fondness for terms such as “..wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference,” and the spiffy vernacular, you have the audacity to write that “...there are many things on which he has failed to ‘compromise’ because they have been irrevocable assaults to the constitution,”  as if spying on US citizens, many but unknown, isn’t unconstitutional.  But on top of these rather vulgar apologetics, you write, “He *did* vote against giving telecoms retroactive immunity.”  What?!?  His support for the Bush wiretap bill also supported retroactive immunity to telecom corporations for their violation of the constitutional rights of Americans.  July 9, 2008, Obama gave his blessings and his vote in the Senate to Bush’s wiretap bill, opening the doors for further destruction of our civil liberties.  Here are a few other examples of Obama’s “compromising” on OUR interests:

—favoring private over public campaign finance.
—voting for a corrupt, anti-environmental, and wasteful farm bill.
—favoring a continuation of Bush’s failed “faith-based initiative.”
—waffling on his pledge to end the occupation and withdraw from Iraq (stating that Iraq must be “stable” first, a serious contradiction, since the U.S. occupation is what is destabilizing the country).
—not supporting gun control or limits on the death penalty and supporting a conservative white Democrat (John Barrow) over a progressive African-American one (Regina Thomas) in a contested House of Representatives primary in Georgia.

The political prisoner and revolutionary Mumia Abu-Jamal wrote this summary about the Obama candidacy: “Politics is the art of making people believe that they are in power when, in fact, they have none.  It is a measure of how dire the hour that they’ve passed the keys of the kingdom to a Black man… With the nation’s manufacturing base also a thing of history, amid the socioeconomic wreckage of globalization, with foreign affairs in shambles, the rulers reach for a pretty brown face to front for the Empire.  ‘Real change that you could believe in’ would be an end to Empire and an end to wars for corporate greed, not just a change in the shade of the political managers.”

I read earlier, I’m not sure if it was you or Shenomynous, about our choice between pessimistic nay-saying and optimistic “working our asses off to get things done,” and I remember how it’s been said in democratic corners how we need to learn a few tricks from the republican’ts playbook.  I just find it hard to believe that those “tricks” include self-delusion and the habit of denying the bare facts simply to avoid being or appearing “wrong.”

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By cyrena, September 1, 2008 at 4:46 am Link to this comment


On this…

•  “…Far as I am concerned the whole Georgia episode has our finger prints all over it, so when Obama states we need to address Russia attacking Georgea, I feel disappointed.

I too have a problem with Obama stating this, SPECIFICALLY because it was NOT his own first comment on the situation. I can’t remember his exact quote, and it’s too late to look for it now. But it was very much a ‘we need to stay out of it thing, and let international law deal with it.” So why he’s claiming this now is a concern to me, and admittedly, it isn’t the first time.

On the “voting for wire tapping” I’m less concerned because of the real politick involved. He *did* vote against giving the Telecoms retroactive immunity. It obviously failed. The same is the point with the so-called ‘compromise’ FISA as well. He could have voted not on it, just for show. But we all know that the far greater worry on that thing was the fact that a MAJORITY of both Congress and the Senate, passed that so-called compromise language. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that he voted ‘for’ it, and his candid remarks in front of his vote were believable enough to me, when he said it was *not* what he wanted or would have liked. But, that’s the devil of the process in the set-up of US parliamentary procedure. So like I said, he could have voted no, but it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference, and it might have even come off like he was being disingenuous, because that’s exactly what Hillary’s no vote reeked of. That legislation has probably been in the Congress for longer than just about anything, and Hillary had previously either been conveniently absent, (no vote) or voted in favor of some similar version. So much of what goes on is political posturing, and specifically at election time.

So while it’s a travesty to be sure, it’s a travesty that ANY member of Congress allowed it, and the majority did.

What I’ve noticed about Obama that impresses me in a way that I believe many people may miss, is that he picks his battles, and is willing to compromise in order to avoid gridlock. There are many things on which he has failed to ‘compromise’ because they have been irrevocable assaults to the constitution. On other issues that may (at least in his judgment) be a lesser priority, *at least for the time and circumstances* he seems more willing to bend, in order to keep business flowing. Gridlock is a nightmare in ANY operation that depends on a highly organized system, and in a bureaucracy, it can really stop up the plumbing.

Something like the FISA law is easy enough to redo once he’s in office, and as bad as it is, I honestly don’t think it makes a damn bit of difference WHAT the compromise legislation involved, because we already know that for as long as the gangsters remain in power, they will do what they want anyway. The spying has bee on-going for ages, as has been the data mining, (which is worse in my opinion, because we ALL are subjected to that, and I honestly don’t believe that we are ALL being wire-tapped). The real stuff will repair, (I hope) when he gains office.

The one thing that many of us are encouraging him to do as soon as he does gain office, is to declassify each and every signing statement Dick Bush has issued in the past 8 years. Those signing statements, attached at presidential priority, to ANY bill they chose to, (upon signing it) basically to indicate that they don’t plan to honor whatever the legislation is. This admin has produced more of these signing statements than all of the other admins put together!

So, we’ll see. But I agree that there are some worrisome things.

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By basho, September 1, 2008 at 4:07 am Link to this comment

i don’t get the ‘desperate’ part of this argument. if one is desperate does one make a choice like this? am i to understand there are no qualified female vp candidates?

the whole thing smells to me.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 2:27 am Link to this comment

Sorry folks and folkers.  My previous post was meant for a different thread, the newer Obama one.  It’s my computerdroid’s fault though.  Honest it is.  Now, Back The Show!!!

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 2:19 am Link to this comment

Well, as luck would have it, the September issue is not yet up at the web page I listed below.  I subscribe to their print mag as well so I’m a bit “in the future”, but you can be too!  The Sept. issue is on the mag racks now at your local independent bookstore.  Better yet, subscribe.  You’ll be glad you did and so will I.  See now, why I fought, tooth and nail, my way out of advertising?

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

Too bad SNL is on reruns.  Even though she’s no longe part of the cast, Tina Fey could have a ball with this one.  Then again, so could Chris Katan, Jimmy Fallon.  Oh well, perhaps this latest GOP-engineered divorce from reality will finally wake conservatives up to exactly what kind of half-wits the GOP has taken them for all along over the past several decades.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 1:23 am Link to this comment

Lulu, apt name.  If you’d knock off the drama, you’d notice that nobody here worth attention is dissing her, but rather her bending over for Big Oil even more effectively and mouth-frothingly than McCain.  At bottom, Palin is a matricidal manic, more than willing to torture and rape Mother Nature for giving her a baby with an arm stuck out it’s ass.  Besides, selling out the wilds, wolves, polar bears, polar icecaps, and environment generally, pays very well.

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By mackTN, August 31, 2008 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

“By knute, August 31 at 8:28 am #
I believe there is alot of desperation in McBush’s campaign..”

Yes, they are desperate.  They will do anything to win this election.  They do not want to hand over the keys to Democrats; they don’t want Democrats pawing through whatever files they don’t shred. They want to protect their reputations.  They don’t want the Iraqui Malik to begin pouring out his frustration to President Obama and dissing President Bush. 

This is only the beginning.  My fear focuses on those touch-screen voting machines.  There will be no chads to inspect this time around.

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By StinkyPants, oh boy!, August 31, 2008 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment
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we should have saw this from a MILE away when mccain was pandering in the church for votes. it’s sad when you can’t pick the person you want because the church will turn it’s back on you. that says a lot about the church. this lady is scared of comdoms and believes that we should all live like puritans.

all the talk about shaking up washington. she is being investigated for trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired because he is in a custody battle with her sister. so I don’t think she’s a reformer but a performer. cindy better what out. mccain has a history with beauty queens and that’s no secret.

I don’t see anything honest about this situation. I sure Mitt Romney is happy with the choice. wait, where is Mitt.

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By Leefeller, August 31, 2008 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment


Thanks for the comprehensive reply.  Sure I agree with the concept that we should have a military for protection, but are we not spending more than most of the rest of the world military spending put all together?  I was disappointed in Obama’s Russia comment, personally I believe Russia would make a much better allied connection instead of the constant advisory and trying to reinstate the cold war.  Far as I am concerned the whole Georgia episode has our finger prints all over it, so when Obama states we need to address Russia attacking Georgea, I feel disappointed. 

Also did not Obama vote for wire tapping? 
My concerns about Obama’s direction or few, but real in my mind, in the long run I will support and vote for him, his speech the other evening was really great. 

Obama is going to inherit a cluster F*%K! from Bush and if he can clean up some of the mess we will be better off.  It would be nice if he started by addressing the constitution and reinstating some of our rights.  From what I see none of the candidates running addressed this so it may not be on the table like impeachment.

Yes, it is all second guessing, so you are correct, we will have to wait and see.

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 31, 2008 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

A famous swordsman in 16th or 17th century France, when asked whom he feared, replied that he feared the swordsman he has never heard of.

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By Watchdog, August 31, 2008 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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And to think that she could be only ‘one heartbeat’  away from being the President. Here’s the statistics
on mortality.

Think about it, anyone with a brain regardless of their political convictions would not vote for this ticket knowing that she could be running this country with her qualifications. She could not even get in the door at Harvard let alone graduate from Law School !

A BS degree in Journalism !

You could go to your local community college and pick someone with better academic credentials.

Think about about this…. 

1 out of 3 VP end up being President per the Acclaimed historian Doris Kearns Goodwin on Meet the Press today…..that’s a very scary thought).

Take a good look at these statistics on mortality.

You have to have the IQ of her retarded child to vote for this Republican Ticket !

Pull you head out of your a$$ America !

You Christian Conservitaive Nuts better hit your knees and pray for America if you morons elect these two coconuts.
Life Expectancy Details
Life expectancy continues to be greater for women than for men and for whites compared with African-Americans—but life expectancy edged up enough to reach a record high for African-Americans.

Here are the life expectancies for girls and boys born in 2005:

White girl: 80.8 years (unchanged from 2004)
White boy: 75.7 years (unchanged from 2004)
African-American girl: 76.5 years (up from 76.3 years in 2004)
African-American boy: 69.6 years (up from 69.5 years in 2004)
However, 26 countries have higher life expectancies for both men and women, according to the World Health Organization.

Japan has the world’s greatest life expectancy for women (86 years) and the European republic of San Marino has the world’s greatest life expectancy for men (80 years), according to the World Health Organization.

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By cyrena, August 31, 2008 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

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Well Leefeller, in response to the Military Industrial Complex, (and Obama) I’ve said before, what I’ll run through now, but more briefly I hope.

First, WHY do we think that Obama ‘supports’ the MIC? Is it because Max Shields and a assorted others keep telling us that? Is it because Obama has talked about ‘finishing the job’ in Afghanistan/Pakistan? Is it because we hear people on this blog say that he is planning to INCREASE ‘military spending’, even though they never tell us exactly what that entails. (like buying more weapons, or providing what should be a given in taking care of our homeless vets).

As shenonymous mentions, we have a tendency to do a whole lot of second guessing, without any of the information that we need to do it with. And a far better judge of what Barack Obama ‘might do’, would be what he has already done. He’s the one who stepped in to defy the insurance companies who were determined to ‘under-diagnose’ so many returning vets, to prevent them from receiving the absolutely critical medical support (and MONEY) that they need. Now I know a little bit about this, not from being in the military, but just from being an injured worker. The insurance industry will do absolutely ANYTHING, (which includes spending tons of money if they have a fight of sorts on their hands) to PREVENT any single individual from receiving the care that they deserve, and have a right to.

Michael Moore’s documentary film, SICKO, does an excellent job at exposing how frequently, (and tragically) this happens to people who are in fact, INSURED. (we won’t even talk about the 37 plus million that aren’t). And beginning at the very top of the top, ‘they’ have a staff of people whose only purpose is to DENY medical care to the insured patient. The same thing of course has been on-going at the VA for at least 2 decades now, but it’s become far, far, far worse in the past 8 years. (I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that). If you saw the report from about a year ago, on the conditions at Walter Reed, take my word for it…NOT just Walter Reed. Professionals that have worked for the government at the VA have left in droves over the past 8 years. I know many. All of their work has been contracted out, and the few that tried to hang in there found themselves working with absolutely nothing in terms of resources, and spending all of their time shuffling paper, instead of helping veterans. It has not always been this way.

In fact, my dad, (now 84 years old) is a disabled vet from the Korean conflict. He always received care from the VA, though admittedly, they did for a while insist on amputating one of his legs, since it would have been cheaper than to continue caring for it. He held out, and he still has it. But I said that to say that there was a time when professionals from all paths gained the very best of training by working to serve each other. Doctors, dentists, engineers, teachers, lawyers, and Indian chiefs. (I could go on). Even today, the Army Corps of Engineers does excellent work, even when the feds fail to follow-up on their efforts. An example there would be New Orleans. The Army Corps of Engineers had, (long before Katrina) advised that those levees would not hold, and had already made a plan for what needed to be done to rebuild that infrastructure. (and they could have accomplished it). But, the funds were never forthcoming.

So, I said all of that to say that what *I* hear Obama say, (and what I interpret from his plans) is exactly what he says, which is that he intends to rebuild the Military. REBUILDING a military who’s HUMAN infrastructure is completely broken, is NOT a bad thing. And if we assume that it is NOT completely broken, then it means that we have no comprehension of how jacked-up things are that the same small group of Americans continue to carry the burden of a conflict, regardless of whether or not it is a conflict of our own making (as this one is).

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By Watchdog, August 31, 2008 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment
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To think that if elected she’s only one heart beat away from being the President of the United States is total insanity. (here’s a fact 1 out of every 3 VP’s in History has become President per the Acclaimed historian Doris Kearns Goodwin on Meet the Press today…..that’s a God Dam scary thought).

So McCain picks a bimbo with a pretty face Bachelors Degree in Journalism the United States of America’s Vice President! Hell you could go to your local community college and find someone more qualified, why didn’t he just pick a kindergarten teacher and be done with it?
Take a look at these statistics on mortality.

Life Expectancy Details
Life expectancy continues to be greater for women than for men and for whites compared with African-Americans—but life expectancy edged up enough to reach a record high for African-Americans.

Here are the life expectancies for girls and boys born in 2005:

White girl: 80.8 years (unchanged from 2004)
White boy: 75.7 years (unchanged from 2004)
African-American girl: 76.5 years (up from 76.3 years in 2004)
African-American boy: 69.6 years (up from 69.5 years in 2004)
However, 26 countries have higher life expectancies for both men and women, according to the World Health Organization.

Japan has the world’s greatest life expectancy for women (86 years) and the European republic of San Marino has the world’s greatest life expectancy for men (80 years), according to the World Health Organization.

My family will take the Harvard Law school graduate and the head of the Harvard Law Review any day and match his IQ, Problem solving ability and ability to make informed judgments vs. the old fart who finished 8th. from the bottom of his clas at the Annapolis Naval Academy and then take a chance on the pretty face with a Bachelors Degree in Journalism.

MAUREEN DOWD sums it all up quite nicely in her Op-Ed “Vice in Go-Go Boots?” today.;&emc;=th&oref=slogin

Come on America…..pull you heads out of your asses !

Excuse me but…..You have to have the IQ of her Retarded Child to vote for this Republican Ticket !

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By cyrena, August 31, 2008 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

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In other words, (and more than a few people have acknowledged this), the US military, in terms of its human infrastructure, is BROKEN! So for those who do all of the hollering about ‘military spending’ I can only assume that we’re ready to go the way of the only country I’m aware of, that does not maintain an armed forces/army, and that is Costa Rica. (there may be others, but that one comes to mind. Costa Rica does not have a military). So, do we *not* need a military? Are we invincible, and so powerful in name only, that we are immune to attack from other nations or non-state actors, otherwise known as ‘global terrorists”?

I think not. In fact, I think that having managed to totally piss off the rest of the world, it’s probably NOT a good idea to be without a military on OUR OWN SOIL, who can be prepared to defend us not only against ‘enemy nations and non-state actors’ but to be available when the Katrina’s and the Gustav’s and the fires, and the earthquakes, and all the rest of that shit comes calling. We don’t have that now. In case nobody noticed, we do not have that now. There is no such thing as a National Guard anymore, because Dick Cheney has them all scattered about the globe, or in Iraq, or in Afghanistan, or in any one of 700 other bases scattered about.

So, I for one, don’t have a problem with “military spending’ at least until we find out exactly what ‘military spending’ involves. If it involves providing jobs at the same time that it prepares a healthy and well trained force to actually DEFEND us, rather than aggressively OFFENDING other nations in wars of aggression and hegemony, then I can deal with that. If it means using those dollars needed to take care of our veterans, and make education and other opportunities available to them, I’m OK with that kind of ‘military spending’. If it means training them in areas that will refurbish our infrastructure, then I think that to be a wise investment.

No, I don’t ‘know’ that’s how Obama plans to spend the money. But then, none of these other doomsday sayers “know” how he plans to spend it either. Instead, they just talk a lot of shit, by claiming that Obama is just going to do MORE WARS. Now there is no where in his conversation, rhetoric, or actions to date, that tell me he is planning MORE WARS. His rhetoric on Afghanistan/Pakistan is NOT NEW. He’s been saying that same thing, (whether we agree with it or not) since day one. The dick bush admin has given Pakistan, (Musharraf) over 25 BILLION dollars since October, 2001, to ‘get the terrorists”. Well, no ‘terrorists’ have been captured, and we haven’t even got a receipt for the money. Obama wants to get them. Pakistan HAS NUKES. Accessible to???

Now we could argue for eternity, or whether or not Obama is justified in tracking down the al-Qaeda gang. That’s an on-going debate that requires more intellectual ‘heavy lifting’ than the average person is up for. Most would prefer to align it with the farce of the so-called ‘war on terror’ the gangsters created in order to advance their own ends. But there is a danger in that thinking, because it denies that global terrorism IS a reality, and has become far worse in the past decade.

So, we’ll leave that part for another time. But for now, it might be worth it to question just exactly what we are thinking, when we predict that Obama will continue to feed the MIC. Does it mean that most Americans are ready to opt out of having a military at all? I don’t think so.

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By Dean Booth, August 31, 2008 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
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My Fair VP

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By Shenonymous, August 31, 2008 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Government of the wealthy, by the wealthy, for the wealthy?  Did the Democratic convention looked like that?  I dont’ think so.  I agree with felicity it was a big unexpected splish splash adhering of a party that has been factionalized for a long time, and the Republicans are clutching without any clutch fluid. Now the Republicans would be more plutocratic, no question about that one.  Yes there are wealthy people there, they exist, they are out there, everywhere, they have the money and they will make themselves obvious.  It is a fact of life.  On both sides of the political fence.  You are not going to get rid of them no matter how much sounds of pain are expressed.  The carpers and doomspeakers have to get over it.  But the less than wealthy are out there in more numbers if not in dollars.  And at the polls it will be the middle class that decides the vote, given there is no voter fraud, which has to be monitored very very closely this time, except I think it is going to be a walkaway for Obama.  The complaint seems to be that Obama and McCain were not real choices.  Seems like Obama was overwhelmingly.  McCain was chosen by the Republican Party bosses who wanted a poster boy who was old enough to lose that would not etch further away at the already in trouble Party. 

Seems to me there are two roads to go down. The road of the pessimist who moans and groans at every turn, or the optimist who will work their butts off to make things happen.  There are some good comments on this forum:  Yes:  McCain the fool has pretty much outlived his health and his usefulness to the Republican machine who see the reality of a big loss!  No: Palin is not experienced at anything in national government. (Course it has to be remembered GWB wasn’t either, and he turned out to be the worst president this country has ever had).  Obama is about one of the smartest politicians to come up for the people.  Educated, articulate, and not a fool.  He is playing the cards he is getting dealt brilliantly.  There are many complexities to the office and most are second guessing only a few issues.  It is now and always was a bigger issue than one man.  The is need is to look at the bigger picture.  Will he do as he says he will?  We have to wait to see.  The country cannot get any worse with him. But, nothing, nothing that McInsane (my bright nephew’s more appropriate name) will do will do any good, just more of the same bull crap regardless of how they try to camouflage behind a woman’s evangelical skirts.

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By Leefeller, August 31, 2008 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment


Thanks for the positive boost, yes we have been held down for so long by the powers that be, especially the last eight years.  Obama, has been a refreshing improvement over the old standard Washington fare, at least in appearance and display.  If he can do any of the things he stated in his accepatance address, we will be going in the correct direction.  Of course I disagree with his standard approach supporting military complex decisions, but he should provide a thinking approach instead of kneejerk to some of these decisions.

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By sherrybb, August 31, 2008 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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We need to be very careful. I believe Palin is totally unqualified and I believe McCain is showing what he thinks of women. He believes we will not truly think about the dire consequences to women’s rights (and oh so much more) if palin and he are elected. But we must be careful and show respect for her and we absolutely can not underestimate her. If they are elected, it will be devastating. Be smart in arguing against the GOP ticket. Women, do not be fooled by this woman….she is not an advocate for us.

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By Aegrus, August 31, 2008 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

I still say Pain is a gift from Odin for this campaign. Obama/Biden will sweep America. I predict all-out-win!

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By cyrena, August 31, 2008 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

By Leefeller, August 31 at 8:07 am #

It seems both sides have selected their choices, I am back to my original premise ,we live in a plutocracy not a democracy still stands.  So those selected for us are there to help us feel we are part of the decision factor, when in reality, once in the White House President whoever, will be lead by special elite principals and agendas.


This isn’t new Leefeller. We’ve never been a Democracy, nor were we set up as such. We were set-up as a republic, and the Democracy part is well..compromised to say the least.

It has NOT, however, always been such a totalitarian set-up, wherein the state and the corps are one and the same.

I reject that the selection of Barack Obama was decided for us. HILLARY was decided for us, and that didn’t happen. That says something.

It would be helpful for more of us to understand (without giving up a healthy measure of skepticism) exactly what has happened to get us to this point. Otherwise, the cynicism remains, and it’s self-defeating.

I hear it all the time, like a mantra from so many people, regarding just about everything from A to Z..

The mantra is, “But ‘they’ won’t let us.” People have been telling me that most of my life, “but you can’t do this, or you can’t do that, or ‘they’ (whomever the hell ‘they’ are) won’t ‘let’ you.

My ass. I do it anyway. Barack Obama wasn’t selected ‘for me’. *I* decided. Because for the first time in my adult life, there’s actually been a choice of something other than the lesser of the evils.

Kath Cantrella posed a question (from Australia) not long ago. She wondered if the American people knew what they had in Barack Obama. Sadly, far too many do not. Been beat down so long, and held in captivity and submission for so long, we’re like a people who will bite the hand attempting to help us feed ourselves. Sad…but that has been the plan all along. How else do we explain the fact that Americans will continue to cut off their own noses to spite their already damaged faces?

There is no explanation for it. It’s like a disease. We can’t stop looking for something really wrong with him. (we have folks here who are pros at it, and it doesn’t take much to find bullshit on the internet) And when nothing appears, we make shit up, or we turn reality on it’s head, to turn assets into liabilities.

The smear machine goes into full gear, and does it’s best to crash any hopes of anything changing. Hear it often enough..there’s no difference between the parties or the candidates, and people believe it, and that’s exactly what they want you to believe. When they say, ‘no you can’t’ or ‘they won’t let you’ often enough, folks just believe it. It’s the hammer that binds us to the ground. First time we start thinking “I don’t care what you say, I’m gonna do it anyway”, the hammer falls again. And, it’ll keep beating us down, which is the whole point. Pretty soon, you’re brainwashed, and don’t even bother to try.

So, since I continue to maintain that I can, and I’m gonna do it anyway, it means being quick on your feet, to dodge the hammer.

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Elections are morphing into reality shows, where the winner turns out to be the candidate with the most appealing rags to riches story.  Has nothing to do with the general scheme of things, nor what might be done to head off doomsday, but what the heck, it ain’t as boring as most political speeches.

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By yellowbird2525, August 31, 2008 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

while y’all are arguing as if this were anything other than a dictatorship; on a time plan irregardless of who is picked: in Oregon all kinds of laws being added, deleted, changed: and water is human NEED not a right; rebuild & renew USA: is the forum: farming & gardening raising levels of methan; caused ozone hole; NOT anything MANMADE at all; henceforth it’s already been claimed: THEY own the land, THEY own the water: y’all have been busy eating genetic seeds & genetic meat: they are now radiating veggies; no strength; easier to handle; from Fed, to St, to County, to City: have to have a new MINDSET is what they claim; also stated would give illegals drivers licenses; any wanted one; then passed a law to make citizens have to show birth certs now; and NOT just soc security #s; ready for the ss #‘s ???? better known as Fed Id #s for “citizens; oh, that’s right; we have to buy ALL food thru THEIR sources; and water as well; since AMERCIANS seem to feel they have a RIGHT to have a say hey hey hey: folks: when the Lawmakers are NOt operating according to LAW; forget that this is anything other than dictatorship; if y’all can: go to; believe Equador is available & free from the global domination starting from USA & Corps working with them still; not many countries are; but the PEOPLE are going to fight the “politicians” who are owned, bought, & paid to do as large Corps WANT them to;

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By mackTN, August 31, 2008 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

As I watched Meet the Press this morning, I sat aghast as Maria Bartiromo actually struggled to convince us that Sarah Palin was a credible choice for vice president.  That any journalist would treat this pick as anything other than a desperate ploy is disgusting…and telling.

There are any number of qualified Republican women in the senate whose selection certainly would have appealed more to disgtruntled Hillary women—Olympia Snowe, Elizabeth Dole, etc—women who would have actually been acceptable as a president had McCain keeled over.

McCain and anothers pooh-pooh his demise.  But one journalist who might have been on McCain’s side—but not with Palin—is Tim Russert, who surely would have called him on this.  And, as everyone knows, Russert, too, was apparently in good health when he died out of the blue.

Now the Republicans are so afraid of scrutiny that they are minimizing their convention out of concern for the poor black people they left to drown a few years ago.  Talk about overreacting!  But Gustav provided them with an excuse to avoid being ridiculed, to avoid unflattering comparisons to a more diverse culturally convention, to a more vigorous candidate, and a more credible slate.  It’s also given them an excuse to disinvite Bush/Cheney whose spectres would surely inflame the country into pounding their shoes all over the internet.

CNN is a joke.  Talk about gullible.  They report this as if the Republicans and McCain are actually so concerned about New Orleans that they just can’t have a convention.  Who bought off CNN?

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By Shenonymous, August 31, 2008 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

It is my belief that nature doesn’t give a rat’s buttocks what happens to human beings.

It is truly the other way around, humans have to give a F*** what happens to nature.

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By Fadel Abdallah, August 31, 2008 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

While this thread is about McCain and his desperation, I think it’s not totally irrelevant to consider some of nature’s signals to us!

Though my religion commands me to disbelieve in bad omens or superstitions, I am going to go against its teachings this time and consider with the eye of my heart the signals that mother nature might be sending us as bad omens.

In this vein, I want to recall that 9 months into the neocons administration of G. Bush’s first stolen term, our country was hit by the tragedy of 9/11. Then again, 9 months into Bush’s second appointed term, we were struck with tragedy of Katrina.

Then while the neocons are preparing for their convention, to prepare for another evil administration under McCain, we have the prospect of Gustave bringing tragic destruction!

As I look at this, I am wondering whether all these things are just mere coincidences! And my conclusion is that either God (or nature if one believes they are two different things) is trying to send us a message or a wake-up call! One thing is certain though; and that’s that the Republicans are a bad omen for our country!

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By Ed Harges, August 31, 2008 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

re: By felicity, August 31 at 10:07 am:

Felicity writes that McCain “lost it, plain and simple,” goaded by the success of the Democrats’ convention.

Yes; and I think it looks especially like Obama’s final speech, in which he finally took off the gloves and really landed some zingers on McCain’s irritable hide, succeeded in getting McCain to “lose it” and make a major misstep.

Obama could see that McCain has been barely containing his behavior, desperately trying to avoid giving everyone a fresh remainder that he’s a bit of a flake.

So Obama teased him a little, and McCain’s loony alter ego came screaming out of that closet. Very clever, Mr. Obama.

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By felicity, August 31, 2008 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

I can’t help equating Palin/McCain with Bush/Meirs.  I have difficulty imagining Palin presiding from the Oval Orifice just like I had difficulty imagining Meirs sitting on the Court of Supreme Numbskulls.

I have no difficulty imagining that the choice of Palin was merely the result of just one more of McCain’s infamous temper-tantrums, prompted by the hugely successful splish-splash of the Dem convention.  He lost it, plain and simple.

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By Kashilinus, August 31, 2008 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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The timeless adage, “There’s no fool like an old fool” comes to mind. Will John McCain dare tell the American people that his two closest advisers are beauty queens?
Just wonderful that the retype word on this post is “Seems 99.”

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By Eric L. Prentis, August 31, 2008 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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As Sen. McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin’s experience, judgment and integrity are of utmost importance. The National Center for Health Statistics reports that Sen. McCain has already outlived his life expectancy, and a man of his age with recurring bouts of cancer is expected to die while in office. Consequently, Gov. Palin should be fully evaluated for the presidency of the United States since she will take over when President McCain dies.

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By cyrena, August 31, 2008 at 10:01 am Link to this comment


Oversized Alaskan mosquitoes?

That’s a good one. I’m taking your word for it. I haven’t listened to her voice yet. Not planning on it, though I suppose it’s inevitable at some point.

Thanks for the real deal connection shenonymous…

“it’s the oil stupid” Isn’t it always? There cannot possibly be a single other explanation.

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By Shenonymous, August 31, 2008 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Harges said precisely what I was thinking about Palin’s voice and Double U lists her other virtues.  Those and this too that I similarly posted at NPR:
Slight of hand is the prime trick of the deceiver. How many times has McCain deceived the public already? It is the Republican modus operandi. Alaska has oil fields that the Republicans have wanted to tap and have fought fiercely in Congress to do just that as well as GWB, without budging the Democrats to decimate the wilderness and its preservation. Palin is their inside card, so obvious that it is amazing that more have not made this connection. This issue apparently overrides any inexperience the woman has in world affairs (which should have been of paramount importance given the utter chaos America’s reputation currently has in the world!). Of course they want a woman there in the second most powerful office of the land who will not give the warmongers and industrial war complex any grief over continuing the illegal war in Iraq and AND waging war on Iran! without having won any war at all in Iraq, Afghanistan and now for all tense and purposes ignoring the complicity of Pakistan. Is it rhetorical to ask how blind can we be?
The women issue regarding Mrs. Palin’s motherhood by noticeable Republican women, and men, and Democrats alike is pure smokescreen and really a non-issue. We are here talking about qualification for Vice President of the United States. The woman is comparatively and precisely unqualified in preparation for that office. The only qualification she has is two years as governor of a state where oil is once again coveted except not in another country this time in ours, oh yeah, that awful squeaky shrill voice, good gawd.

Is it not the case that Republicans realize the futility of winning this election and have selected a candidate (who selected an unqualified running mate) who is(are) fodder for the Democratic meatgrinder and who will not be missed once this election is a fait accompli?

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By knute, August 31, 2008 at 9:28 am Link to this comment
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I believe there is alot of desperation in McBush’s campaign..He still reverts back to his stay at the Hanoi Hilton at every single oppurtunity, even when its completely out of context. As if that is something that is so profound as to trump all else. There were other prisoners of war, have been since every war. Somehow it delutes the granduer for me when that former POW uses it like an olympian selling cornflakes for political capital. I don’t believe being a POW somehow equips you to be president anymore then I think flying 20,000 feet over a jungle dropping bombs equates to a hero.

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By Leefeller, August 31, 2008 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

It seems both sides have selected their choices, I am back to my original premise ,we live in a plutocracy not a democracy still stands.  So those selected for us are there to help us feel we are part of the decision factor, when in reality, once in the White House President whoever, will be lead by special elite principals and agendas.

Differences between the parties, are only a horse and pony show.  We are told,  McCain wanted Lebierman, so why did he choose Palin?  Manipulation beyond comprehension of reason, is it possible most of middle America is vastly ignorant to vote for someone like Palin,  why not a homeless person? 

This whole thing reminds me of a sitcom.

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By G.Anderson, August 31, 2008 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

Since President Nixon disgraced the office of the president, politicians in this country have made a career of running against Washington.

Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Bush, and now McCain all have run against Washington. Obama too.

I think it shows how gullible the American people are that they could believe for one second that McCain is running against Washtington, when he’s spent almost his whole political life there. He is Washington, and typifies what it is.

Palin seems like a nice lady, she has a large family, I like her hair, and I also like to fish.

At this point she looks like more of a political tourist, than someone who wants to do something for her country. I would really like Mr. McCain to outline her function as vice president. Will she be relegated to opening shopping malls, breaking Champagne bottles over submarines, and cutting Yellow Ribbons for new roads?

Because I don’t see her presiding over the Senate. Mabye she’ll get pregnant again, and that would be another first for the Republicans, first vice President to have a baby in office. I hope she’s not in labor when she gets that phone call at 3 am.

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By Big B, August 31, 2008 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

I think that we should consider the possibility that a political novice might be what we need more of in DC. “a different set of eyes” is the axiom used in the business world. I think we desperatly need regular, non-big business connected folks to run things awhile. Just where has our dependance on career polititians and family dynasties taken us?
That said, Sarah is a right wing, reactionary nutjob!
And like most right wing nutjobs(nutjob is equivilent to moonbat, just the other end of the spectrum) she is a religeous wacko who is anti science and pro big oil. No tax is too low, and no tree is too high(to cut down). She is a typical Reagan/Meese prolifer who cares deeply for every fetus, until of course it is born then it’s on it’s own, to starve or be used as cannon fodder. Dimmos should not underestimate this woman and her views!
She could prove incredibly dangerous to America.
Even more so than her oblviously senile running mate.

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By lulu, August 31, 2008 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
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I watched Bill Maher and John Stewart and Huffpo “coverage” making fun of Sarah Palin and my gut told me this is exactly what the GOP are looking for. The ELITE attacking an ordinary-I-busted-my-gut-to-get-here-accomplished woman(yes she is accomplished…I know you would rather focus on inexperience) Guess What! She is the commander in Chief of the national guard? She visited the troops in Kuwait! While Joe-lobby-indulging-insider-Biden and his new protige Obama have no EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE. This will be the GOP attack. They know exactly how LIBERALS behave. And boy do you deliver!If you want to float around in your HuffPo bubble then you do so at Obama’s expense. Stop attacking this woman. Think of every pretty, mother, with a down syndrome baby and think of their sisters, brothers, fathers in the USA(not only LA and NY) and then perhaps you will understand how devasting these ““sexy librarian” attacks are to Obama’s campaign. STOP IT NOW! Please think of every woman in America who feels disaffected. STOP AND THINK!

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By Michael Friedman, August 31, 2008 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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Sure, Sarah Palin takes away the McCain experience argument, but for me it was never an issue formt eh begiining.  Let’s take a look at history.  Lincoln aas elected to the U.S. Senate in 1858, serving exactly as HALF as long as Obama in the Senate before becoming President.  Sure he served ONE TERM in the House of Representatives in the 1850’s and in the state legislature, but his “Commander in Chief” experience was less than Obama’s.  Franklin Roosevelt was secretary of the Navy, but he served not one day at US Senator or US House of Representatives before becoming President.  He was Governor and member of the State assembly for Commander in Chief experience.  He was very active with the Boy Scouts, if that counts.  I’ll grant Kennedy had more experience as US Senator and US House of Representatives, but that didn’t stop him from continuing US involvement in the Vietnam War.  The Republican Darling, Ronnie Reagan is the worst example.  He never served in Washington for one minute before becoming president.  Yes, he was governor of California, and president of the Screen Aactors Guild, but that is hardly Commander in Chief experience.  Yes he served in World War II, but because of his nearsightedness, he was assigned to limited non-overseas service.  He made movies for the Army.  How about some more examples?  Warren G. Harding, allegedly one of the worst presidents of the United States.  Served in the United States Senate for 7 years, was Lieutenant Governor of Ohio, and served in the Ohio Senate.  Mr. Teapot Dome Scandal was more than ready on day one to be Commander in Chief.  Herbert Hoover, architect of the Great Depression?  Secretary of Commerce of all things under two presidents.  How did that work out? He served well in WWI helping hundreds of thousands get food relief.  Millard Fillmore?  A do nothing president serve in the House of Representatives about as long as McCain has been in the Senate, almost becoming Speaker of the House.  He was vice president before president.  I could go on and on.  But I will take a law review Harvard Law grad who taught constitutional law and was a community organizer, civil rights attorney and served in the Illinois Senate for 7 years, who also has served in the United States Senate for 4 years and had the brains to oppose the Iraq war early and often as opposed to an old coot who doesn’t know the difference between Shia and Sunni, and can’t remember that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist 15 years ago. Just a thought.

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By bmikkel, August 31, 2008 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
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During the endless weekend coverage of this woman, I put on the mute button, not only becuase I got sick of the utter crap she was spouting, but because her voice was so unbelievably annoying.

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By Tim Kelly, August 31, 2008 at 6:23 am Link to this comment
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I think Palin was the smartest choice I’ve seen in a long time and McCain won the election with that choice.  The Republicans offer conservative voters an opportunity to vote for a ticket with a minority candidate while still moving to the right.

Compare it to Obama’s choice of Biden, which ranks up there with Lieberman in 2000 for most deceptive choice ever.  Biden was one of the most pro-war Senators, and coupled with the pro-corporation policies of both Obama and Biden, the Democrats offer a chance to vote for a ticket with a minority candidate - and move to the right.

McCain won the election, and how much deception can the Democrats get away with before everyone wakes up and dismantles the party?

A vote for Nader is a vote for democracy.

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By Ed Harges, August 31, 2008 at 6:18 am Link to this comment

Among her many negatives, has anyone noticed that she’s also no great shakes as a public speaker, starting with the voice? She sounds like one of those oversized Alaskan mosquitos.

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By Mary, August 31, 2008 at 5:56 am Link to this comment
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McCain made an insane decision.  It’s already coming out that Sarah Palin asked “What exactly does the VP *do* all day?” and laughed while her political rival was referred to as the b-word on an Alaska radio show.  And that she’s under an ethics investigation. 

It seems like McCain barely vetted her.  How can he claim to “put America first” with a straight face after selecting a VP nominee with absolutely no experience on the national or international stage?

Say what you will about Obama, the guy was a Constitutional Law professor for 9 years and his senate district has seven zip codes - Alaska only has one.  He has made several trips abroad as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, including meeting recently with Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq.

McCain is crazy.  And most women I know are offended and horrified by his choice.

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By JimM, August 31, 2008 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

Maybe it is a daring decision, but it sure ain’t smart.

Make sense of an old dude with health issues dealing with the severe strains of the presidency, and a v.p. who is so inexperienced that it renders her incompetent for the position.

I can’t make any sense of it, either.

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By thebeerdoctor, August 31, 2008 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

Checked out an article by Mr. Shenkman. I would take it one further. Too many voters are misinformed, but worse, their only guide is emotion. Emotional responses are easily manipulated by the unscrupulous. I would say, although Barack/Biden is a better choice than McCain/Palin, the democrats are just as capable of employing gut bucket, bumper sticker reactions; hence, their advocacy for escalating the war in Afghanistan.
This is truly appalling. The voters are asked to vote for a republican based neocon meat grinder, or a democratic alternative that implies it is morally superior by knowing how to choose “the right war”.

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By Double U, August 31, 2008 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

Palin is a rabid conservative and on some issues out-Bushes McCain.  McCain is against drilling in the protected wilds while Palin is for it, extremely.  She has sued the Bush administration for trying to put polar bears on the Endangered Species list.  She has seen how Big Oil has greased, er, oiled her palm and filled her coffers.  She wants creationism to be taught in public schools.  She doesn’t believe that climate change is a reality.  She opposes a woman’s right to choose, even in cases of rape or incest.  She’s an honorary male with pipe line fangs.

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By troublesum, August 31, 2008 at 4:16 am Link to this comment

To understand why McCain chose Palin google Rick Shenkman.  Miss Congeniality may be a future president.

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