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Putin: U.S. ‘Created’ Georgia Conflict

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Posted on Aug 28, 2008
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Based on information from Russian defense officials and, no doubt, years of KGB savvy, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has surmised that the U.S. provoked the Georgia conflict in order to give John McCain a boost: “The suspicion arises that someone in the United States especially created this conflict with the aim of making the situation more tense and creating a competitive advantage for one of the candidates fighting for the post of U.S. president.”

He may be onto something, considering the neoconservative fingerprints all over this thing and John McCain’s man crush on the Georgian president. In fact, Truthdig Editor Robert Scheer made a similar argument—without the benefit of Russian intelligence—in a recent column.


BBC:

Mr Putin said in the interview: “The fact is that US citizens were indeed in the area in conflict during the hostilities.

“It should be admitted that they would do so only following direct orders from their leaders.”

Mr Putin added: “The American side in effect armed and trained the Georgian army.

“Why… seek a difficult compromise solution in the peacekeeping process? It is easier to arm one of the sides and provoke it into killing another side. And the job is done.

“The suspicion arises that someone in the United States especially created this conflict with the aim of making the situation more tense and creating a competitive advantage for one of the candidates fighting for the post of US president.”

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By Ed Harges, August 29, 2008 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

Putin seems to subscribe to Robert Scheer’s theory. Right or wrong, it shows that Putin has a far deeper grasp of the US than Bush has of Russia.

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By LibertyWatch, August 29, 2008 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

Strange here it is fifty years after I use to learn to dive under my school desk when the Civil Defense sirens sounded in mock Atomic attacks. . . now those we called enemy are more believable than those we have in charge of the button right now!

I find myself listening to Putin with a sense he speaks the truth, This as a result after almost a decade of being lied to by the Repukes of Neocon Bushies!

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By Folktruther, August 29, 2008 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

Way to go, Ender.  this stuff will never be dug out by mainstream progressives, who won’t get it printed if it is.  The only way we can find out what is happening is to pool our knowledge and talents.

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By diamond, August 29, 2008 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

Is it possible? Henry Kissinger? The man who paid the military of Chile $25million to overthrow the democratically elected government and unleash a reign of terror on its civilians? That was in the seventies. Clearly, he hasn’t changed. He’s a war criminal and should have been shipped off to the Hague long ago. He was Nixon’s shadow and now he’s just the darkness: always waiting in the wings to put out the light. I think the Israelis and the neo cons (or am I repeating myself?) are desperate to see McCain elected because if he isn’t who will shield them from their crimes? There’s nothing they won’t do to keep the Democrats out of the White House. Starting wars is what they do but they were planning to bomb Iran during the election campaign until they realized what would happen to the price of oil if Iran closed the Straits of Hormuz, through which 40% of the world’s oil passes. $500 a barrel would have been the outcome so they turned their attention to a little war they thought they could control. It makes the Bay of Pigs look like a model of military efficiency. Saakashvili should distance himself as quickly as possible from the people who threw him to the wolves (bears?) but he seems not to be all that bright and his political future doesn’t look too bright either.

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By ender, August 29, 2008 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

http://www.marines.mil/units/marforres/Pages/OperationImmediateResponsebeginsinCountryofGeorgia.aspx


Operation Immediate Response begins in Country of Georgia
7/12/2008 By Lance Cpl. Edward H. Currie ,

VAZIANI TRAINING BASE, Georgia
VAZIANI TRAINING BASE, Georgia Marines are used to training in foreign climates, preparing themselves for any situation, but for one group of grunts, the training will not only be for their unit but also for a new ally in the war on terrorism.

Marines from 3rd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment, left Cleveland July 10, for the Country of Georgia to continue training and assist in Operation Immediate Response in which American forces will help train the Georgian Armed Forces.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63921&archive=true

Mideast edition, Tuesday, August 12, 2008

Tracy J. Smith/Courtesy of the U.S. Army
Spc. Joseph Noble of the Georgia Army National Guard takes part in field training alongside Republic of Georgia soldiers during Immediate Response 08 at Vaziani Military Base, Georgia, in July. The training wrapped up Thursday.


U.S. personnel responsible for training members of the Georgian military remain stationed inside the volatile country, where fighting erupted Friday between Russia and Georgia over the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

The U.S. European Command said on Monday that there were no plans at this time to withdraw the U.S. military trainers from the country. There are still 127 U.S. trainers in Georgia, where the American forces had been preparing the Georgian army for operations in Iraq.


This doesn’t even have to pass thru conspiracy theory.  It appears Putin is telling the heads up truth.

WILL THE WUSSIE DEM CONGRESS PLEASE IMPEACH DICKBUSH BEFORE THEY DESTROY US!!!

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By VietnamVet, August 29, 2008 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

We should know by now, given these past seven plus years, that the Republicans will do ANYTHING to win! Lie, cheat, steal (votes), swift boat, question folks’ patriotism, ..... So, it is completely believable that this mini-war was just to enhance McCain’s position in the presidential race. Will it work? Well, the GOP actions in the past did, right?!

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By Folktruther, August 29, 2008 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

You know, Peter RV, it never occrurred to me that Cheney, in collaberation with McCain, could have done it without Bush’s full knowledge and consent.

It just shows you that it requires a community of honest people to understand power relations with all the deceit in the US power system.

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By Digger2000, August 29, 2008 at 9:30 am Link to this comment
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I certainly hope the Europeans step up and indict those in the U.S. government that plan and execute wars of aggression. If they do not it will never stop. It may not stop anyway but they have a moral duty to try.

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By Peter RV, August 29, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment
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Putin said more than just that. What was not reported here,is that he provided a proof of the U.S. involvement. The U.S.‘Instructors’, themselves, were participating in the Georgian attack (some of them even lost their lives in the fighting) and were in a constant radio contact with their command in Tibilsi,which, no doubt was monitored in Washington.
Of course, Bush being stupid as he is, it is quite possible that the whole thing was staged behind his back, by McCain and Chaney.

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By Ernie Phillips, August 29, 2008 at 9:05 am Link to this comment
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Back in the 40’s and 50’s, a veteran stick-up man named Willie “The Actor” Sutton would get blamed for nearly every bank robbery which occurred in the Northeast. Likewise, the USA has meddled so often, and caused such mischief, that everyone just assumes we are behind all mischief everywhere.

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By Blackspeare, August 29, 2008 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Be careful, be very careful for when a foreign power gets involved in another sovereign nation’s election it usually backfires unless they want the reverse to happen——SAY WHAT??!!

Who would Putin/Medvedev prefer Obama or McCain?——well it all depends on global politics/economics in the immediate future.  If the Russians feel they need a cold war situation to improve their cause then we know who they prefer.  If they want to nurture a negotiating partner then its the other.

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By JimBob, August 29, 2008 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

I’m surprised that Vlad ratted out his good buddy George, or George’s administration.  Putin needs us as a boogeyman as much as the Repugs need him as a boogeyman. I assumed he was in on the ruse from the beginning.  Just another sign of how alone and pathetic the Bush administration is in the world, when you can’t even get their butt-buddies to stand up for them.

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By nativechef, August 29, 2008 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

You know the old adage, if it walks like a duck and squawks like a duck, well then it must be a duck.  Or in this case the Bush/Cheney administration.  How else are they going to get another warmonger in the White House. With the credibility of the U.S. shot to hell, in all reality whose the world going to believe.  Putin and his continued left jabs to the U.S. or the Bush/Cheney administration.  Bush/Cheney have no credibility.

Besides from the typical MSM crap during the Olympics that dubya had voiced his displeasure with Russia’s recent activities in Georgia, for all we know he was telling Putin “Good job, you’ve taken some of the heat off of me.  Thanks, now we can get my protege and lapdog McCain elected. I owe ya one buddy. Lets do dinner.”

Face it the US at present has zero credibility in the Worlds eyes.  The rush to Afghanistan and then the head snapping right turn into Iraq and now the ‘Little Penis’ waving at Iran and now throw in the Georgia/Russia distraction.  Obviously Bush/Cheney are bored off their collective asses and figured it was time to rough up the neighborhoods little kids cause the “big boys’ had already taken their lunch money. As my Dad use to always say, “Rave on catshit, someone will come along and bury you soon enough.”  Get out the spades and buckets, it’s time for some burying.  Cause we all know that there are only a handful of “common sense” challenged individuals that could of concocted this abomination and they reside at or frequent 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 29, 2008 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

I’d far easier believe we did than we didn’t; horrid thought, pity.  I’ve yet to see one word about how many U.S. casualties there were.

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By Chris, August 28, 2008 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment
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I can’t help but notice that the Russian government isn’t in the habit of “talking trash”. Also, that flushing sound everyone hears is the remnants of U.S.-Russia relations going down the toilet.

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By Folktruther, August 28, 2008 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

It turns out I was probably wroing.  I thought that the Geogia attack was so insane that the Georgian president Saakashvili was a loony.  But it turns out he had US and Israeli support, who probably doublecrossed him. 

There was a two week military exercise the US led prior to the attack called OPERATION IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. And Cheney’s security advisor was in Georgia at the time of the attack.

Putin is right; there were American and Israeli advisers invading Ossetia with the two brigades.  They would only obey American and Israeli leaders.  some of them were apparently killed.

The military incompentance of the US is really quite astonishing under Bush, the Superpresident.  Afghanistan and Iraq are unwinnable, the US-Israel invasion of Lebonon was a defeat, and Geogia was a fiasco.  No need to wonder how Iran will turn out.

But the US military certainly manages to kill a lot of people.

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By Big B, August 28, 2008 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

What’s not funny is that CNN reported this today like it was the first time they heard this story.
Pathetic!

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By Michael G, August 28, 2008 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment
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After starting the War for Oil in Iraq under false pretense, YES YES I can see the Cheney/Bush regieme do this for McShame. What would they care about commting another war crime.

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By Kwagmyre, August 28, 2008 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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Ah yes, leave it to ‘ol Vladimir to view this latest incident in the manner of an accomplished Russia Chess Grandmaster(not that that kind of perspective invalidates his take on it).

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By montymarket, August 28, 2008 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment
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Recall recently when Karl Rove evaded the subpoena to testify before congress by traveling to Europe?  Well, turns out he and Henry Kissinger among others then attended a meeting that included the Georgia President.  A week or two later, Georgia attacked So. Osettia.  Maybe the neocon boyz spiked Shashkavili’s tea with double doses of viagara.

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By jackpine savage, August 28, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

Whatever…the United States of God-Blessed America would never do something like that.  We are nothing but goodness and light; more importantly, we know it.

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