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Poll: For Many, America Still ‘Isn’t Ready’Posted on Aug 19, 2008
Barack Obama has a problem: According to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, one in six voters thinks he’s just too black—for America, that is. It’s the political equivalent of “I’m not racist, but my friend is” and, sadly, it may have something to do with the competitive nature of the campaign.
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By Hatkinson, August 21, 2008 at 12:12 pm #
My instincts tell me not to post a comment here because of the personal attacks I see flowing back and forth between readers, but I’ll take that chance. As an Afican American, I find Hippy Pams comments, let’s just say, interesting. I don’t know where you live, but I’ve never heard one single Black person express the comments in your post. In fact, most of the Black people I’ve talked to express the exact opposite, myself included. Black people in my circle don’t believe much is going to change for Black people in America if Obama is elected. In fact, we question rather things will get worse for Blacks because every racist will blame Black people for all the ills of the country, especially if those ills increase. But what I find interesting is, how many White people in this country will vote against their own best interest, so as to avoid voting for a Black man. Even one that’s highly educated (by American Standard) and half white. Now I’m not sure if Hippy Pam is being sincere or she has been watching to many Boyz n DaHood movies, but she’s expressing a fear that some Whites may be feeling. The fact that “blue collor” workers, who’ve suffered the most from lost of jobs, homes, etc… would even consider voting for more of the same has me baffled. This act in and of itself proves just how myopic and illogical racism is. This act also shows that racim effects Whites as well as Blacks and it’s used by the media, politicians, and educational institutions in this country to control all our actions. Even if in our own best interest. There is a quote from a book by Dr. Carter G Woodson, titled “The Miseducation of The Negro” that states, “When you control a man’s thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his “proper place” and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it necessary.”
Report thisBy thebeerdoctor, August 21, 2008 at 4:56 am #
The race card, so to speak, is a difficult cultural hurdle that I think can only be overcome for Senator Obama if he has a truly united democratic party supporting him. In my opinion, it is essential that Hillary Clinton be on the ticket. Why? Recent surveys have revealed that only 50% of Senator Clinton’s supporters actually support Senator Obama, and that one in five, are now supporting Senator McCain.
Report thisSince I support no one in this thing, I think it is fair to ask: Do they really want to win this thing? For those who support Obama, it is time to wake up, the bell has wrung and you are in the damn ring. Arguing over issues or policy points will not cut it. Why the democrats argue over whether or not Clinton voters are democrats, the republicans will be wiping you off the floor. Are you so naive as to think a presidential election is about ideas? This is and has been, a personality pageant where one side advocates that their choice be adored, and/or the other reviled. The rules? There are none, just get to the weapons as soon as possible.
By Marshall K, August 21, 2008 at 2:07 am #
Racism in this country is still very strong. People will completely vote against their self interests choosing an old white guy who will continue the policies that have caused millions of Americans to lose their homes, jobs, pensions, and health insurance. The planet is in dire straits. We are fighting foolish wars, wallowing in debt, literally driving ourselves to the brink of disaster, but at least we won’t have a black president.
Report thisBy Mary McNeely, August 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm #
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Obama will lose because he’s black and demonstrably more intelligent than McCain who is as great a fool as George Bush. McCain will then deepen and darken the ruin Bush has brought to this nation. When the chicken of debt that is destroying us finally comes home to roost, McCain and the Republicans will blame the Democrats and the vast majority of Americans will wholeheartedly believe it. The stupidity of this country has no limits and is completely without shame or irony.
Report thisBy Kevin James, August 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm #
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Obama has a choice to make. He can continue being a lapdog for corps so far and appeal to the warmongering neocon cabal or he can go back and look for support from the people who put him there in the first place.
Report thisSo far he conned us all. He used us to get nominated and quickly turned his back.
He would do much better to loose while energizing the left and become a ray of light in what seems to be dark years to come. He can once and for all put an end to the neo-colonialist’s hegemonic and expansionist foreign policy. He can offer hope to avert catastrophe in the making and do the biggest service to mankind. Or he could lean even more to the right to win the racist warmongers vote and keep the status quo.
By G.Anderson, August 20, 2008 at 3:55 pm #
Yes everyone has their own experiences, but that does not make Mr. Obama responsible for them.
That connection is supplied by you. Solely because you don’t take responsibility for yourself.
Of course the Neo Cons would love people to be afraid of Mr. Obama, nothing could be better for them.
That people are divided over theses issues is self evident from the responses to this post, and since the Republican party has always been a minority party, they cannot rule unless they divide first.
And of course what could be more divisive than our own darkest fears, and paranoia.
Report thisBy rowman, August 20, 2008 at 2:12 pm #
I suppose you could say I am racist towards your racism.
You continue to show your true colors and objectives Fadel. Your proposal to ethnically cleanse America of all white people so as to cause people to experience the horrors of such is alarming.
Report thisBy Fadel Abdallah, August 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm #
By rowman, August 20 at 8:08 am #
Re: Fadel Abdallah, August 20 at 7:46 am #
It takes a non-white American
That is an overtly racist statement. Ignorant and nonsensical.
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Your knee-jerk reaction to what I said is a confirmation that you’re in denial and that, in fact, you’re the prototype of a a racist!
Thank you for quickly confirming my statements!
Report thisBy Cran Berry, August 20, 2008 at 12:11 pm #
Let me tell you a little story about the good old U.S. of A. and its people. Not too many years ago, I retired from a solidly red state and moved to what I had been told was the bluest state in the nation. Thus I was somewhat taken back when a day or two after I moved into my new house, a woman came over, fore in her eyes. I was resting, but I got up, happy to meet someone in my new neighborhood. However, rather than introduce herself, she said something like “You’re from New York, aren’t you?” I assured her I was not. She had noticed my out-of-state license plate and drawn a swift but incorrect conclusion. Then she said in a tone whose meaning was unmistakable. “Well, you’re Jewish!” Though I laughed at this accusation, a chill ran down my spine. I told her I had been raised a Missouri Synod Lutheran. Earlier in the day I had trimmed some of the underbrush obscuring the boundary line between our yards, and she was threatening to sue because I had apparently cut a few branches from a couple of her trees which were hanging over my yard. I apologized and offered to pay any damages for my apparent oversight, but it was clear this would not satisfy her. Now if this is what white, supposedly liberal New Englanders are like, there is no way a good man like Obama can ever be elected in this country. The polls confirm this.
Report thisBy rowman, August 20, 2008 at 12:08 pm #
Re: Fadel Abdallah, August 20 at 7:46 am #
It takes a non-white American
That is an overtly racist statement. Ignorant and nonsensical.
The polls and campaign may want to frame this as a race issue but it probably has more to do with people still not knowing who this guy is and what change he is really referring to. Neither he nor his supporters can answer the question of what he intends to change and how. Its a game of chance with this guy and many are simply not comfortable taking that leap.
If He continues to frame this as a race issue, it will be a race issue and He is forcing it to be one. Stick to the issues and stop playing for racial sympathy. He is just a much white as he is black but continues to play one over the other. Its rather disgusting.
Report thisBy Beltor, August 20, 2008 at 11:56 am #
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G.Anderson,
How does that qualify as a disinformation operative? She seems to be sharing her experience on the street which may be vastly different from your white guilt culture. You may struggle with the race issue, many others do not.
I grew up in a very racially diverse section of the country and race was never an issue. I fully agree that racism is a learned characteristic and ironically, my fist introduction to race issues was when my family moved. We were not welcome in our new neighborhood and were forced to leave for safety reasons.
It cuts both ways. Each race has their own superiority issues but I still believe they are in the minority. You seem to fall into that category.
Report thisBy Fadel Abdallah, August 20, 2008 at 11:46 am #
Well, long time ago, since the early period of the primaries, using my gut feeling and a deep insight into the American reality, I came to the same assessment that this supposedly poll is showing.
Because most Americans lack the virtue of looking themselves closely in the mirror and exercising deep soul searching, they don’t realize how deeply entrenched racism is in their worldview. It takes a non-white American, who has been the victim of racism to see what they don’t see. I am one of such non-white European American.
Though I am not a strong supporter of Obama for several reasons I expressed in previous posts in the last few months, I would be the most happy if he wins this election; not so because he would miraculously solve the many moral, economic and political problems facing the homeland, but because, if he wins, it would be an indication that finally America is on its way of recovery from the moral disease of racism!
Report thisBy Harold, August 20, 2008 at 11:44 am #
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As a 64 year old white man with 4 half-black grandchildren that I adore, I stopped laughing at “black jokes” years ago. In my softball league, my golf league and places I hang out (like the VFW), I constantly hear other white guys making jokes about Obama. Those who know me wait for me to leave before unleashing their racism. Sadly, I think McCain may win this election because of it. On each issue (war, economy, veteran benefits, infrasturcture overhaul, energy) my white associates views are closer to those of Obama’s than McCaine’s. All they can see is that Obama is black. They make jokes. What is odd is that these “white” guys forget that he is half-white. They forget that he is smarter and better educated than McCain. They forget that he has seen hard times up close and personal. They forget that many young people have died in a needless war and more will die under McCain. It is sad. It makes this old Marine shake his head and roll his eyes.
Report thisBy G.Anderson, August 20, 2008 at 11:33 am #
Hippy Pam, you must be a disinformation operative, do you work for the Republican National Committee, or Karl Rove?
Report thisBy Sang Ze, August 20, 2008 at 8:16 am #
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No one denies that race is a significant issue that may well decide the election. However, what has pushed McCain into the lead in this morning’s polls is the failure of Obama to demonstrate his willingness and ability to bring about the change we desperately need in the U.S. In fact, for the most part, he has stopped speaking about change and new directions, removing the spirited sense of hope that brought him to his candidacy. I was once an avid supporter of the man, but the promise I saw in him earlier has been lost. I am disappointed, and now fear McCain will easily win.
Report thisBy hippy pam, August 20, 2008 at 7:56 am #
NObama-as a person-[I do not care for ANY OF “THE CANDIDATES”]IS NOT THE ISSUE….I reiterate my earlier concerns….I HAVE HEARD COMMENTS MADE BY “BLACK AMERICANS”-young gangsta wannabees-posturing thugs walking around with their pit bulls-YES,even adults shopping at the stores-that are of concern TO ME..QUOTE “WHEN HE IS PRESIDENT-THINGS WILL CHANGE-WE WILL TAKE WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS”-I heard some boys talking about getting their cousins GUNS and breaking in to a home owned by an OLDER LADY[yes-she is white]and they did not think any thing would happen to them because “THEY BROTHA GON BE DA HEAD MAN”-YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS I AM SCARED-I have lived in this neighborhood for 15 years and NEVER HEARD SUCH COMMENTS FROM MY NEIGHBOR HOOD KIDS-til lately-.........
Report thisBy writerman, August 20, 2008 at 5:13 am #
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Strangely, my biggest problem with Obama is that I think he’s too “white” to be trusted, after all the cardinal rule about whitemen is - whiteman speak with forked tongue.
Report thisBy samosamo, August 20, 2008 at 1:55 am #
I still look at this, despite mccain’s blundering campaign, that there is no sure winner. And like Anderson above/below, how could anyone want another 4 more years of w & dick?
Report thisBy G.Anderson, August 20, 2008 at 1:48 am #
Well, maybe they think that but that doesn’t mean they won’t vote for him anyway.
Because look at the other option. Four more years of Bush. More Iraq war. More credit crisis…
In a way, it’s a loaded question, because it doesn’t really ask outright, do you prefer Mr. Obama over McCain, and in that sense it’s a manipulation designed to raise some doubt about Mr. Obama.
Why not just come right out with it?
When will you be ready?
What’s it going to take?
This has nothing to do with the issues we are facing, it’s really a political dirty trick.
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