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Karl Rove’s Ukrainian Sojourn

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Posted on Aug 15, 2008
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Karl Rove, left, with an unidentified conference participant in Crimea, Ukraine, last month.

Since Karl Rove skipped out on his subpoena to appear before the House Judiciary Committee last month, the whereabouts of Bush’s longtime political strategist have emerged—Rove was in Crimea, Ukraine, for the fifth annual Yalta European Strategy summit. Also in attendance: former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. Here’s an excerpt from his panel discussion about how U.S. policy toward Ukraine would change, if at all, after November’s American presidential elections.


YES-Yalta European Strategy site:

According to the opinion of Karl Rove, the key strategist of US Republican party election campaigns, Senator John McCain, the Republican candidate for Presidency, “knows this part of the world in a good way, he has been visiting the region quite often and has even spent his vacation in Georgia once. He knows the specificities of Ukraine and is aware of its geopolitical role. Suffice it will be to say that his US External Policy Principles Article has seven words that Barack Obama does not have, and one of the words is Ukraine”.

McCain is quite skeptical in relation to Russia and its leadership in the region; his priorities are NATO expansion, development of relations with European Union and building “the line of democracy” with Ukraine and Georgia to become the key elements of it, mentioned Karl Rove. He made an emphasis on the fact that one of the main McCain’s peculiarities is his support of the established free trade regime between USA and other countries. “McCain voted for free trade regime, meanwhile Obama was always against it; and that is the great difference between them”, mentioned the Republicans’ strategists.

Alongside with this, Karl Rove has admitted that there is no much difference between the candidates in the sphere of external policy, especially in relation to Ukraine. “Both candidates stand for NATO expansion; both stand for Ukraine to make steps in that direction”.

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By PatrickHenry, August 18, 2008 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

Where ever this Rove goes, trouble follows.

A fruit of the poisonous tree.

Arrest him, waterboard him and see what he knows about many things, 9/11, Diebold, foreign lobbys.

Just wait till Jan 21.

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By cann4ing, August 17, 2008 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, but it may backfire, FlamingLib, as Americans come to appreciate that the thing they must truly fear is the very notion that Mad Dog McCain would have his meaty fingers near the nuclear trigger.

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By James M. Martin, August 17, 2008 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

There it all is: the Chief Dirty Trickster was at a conference that included Saakashvili.  You want to know what they discussed?  How if Saakashvili would take Americans’ attention off Iraq and the Olympics, McShame could have a ready speech on Russian belligerence and look like Mr. Tough himself.  Once again, the GOPS are using fear as their #1 campaign de-vice, hoping a gullible voting public will think the Bear is about to launch I.C.B.M.‘s.  No matter that Russia’s own friend, Ahmadinejad told NBC “nuclear weapons are so 20th century; this is the 21st century.”  Some people might say that the only Iranian you can trust is a dead Iranian.  Thank goodness Barack appears to be a man of peace.

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By GW=MCHammered, August 17, 2008 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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VETO all malign Bush pardons.

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 16, 2008 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment
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So, is private citizen, Herr Rove, now continuing to make American foreign policy?  Is this legal?  Does anyone care?  Would you sit idly by while someone slit your throat?

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By yellowbird2525, August 16, 2008 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

I just came from visiting a neighbor; folks: this woman was given 6 months to live; THIS is how I found out about the FRAUD & CRIMINAL (per the Federal Reserve Board) rates & additional fees on credit cards; PLUS they call 6 & 7 times a day every single day without fail (harrassing calls) they call them now on Tv. BUT a US SENATOR named GORDON SMITH sent me a list of what they CAN and CANNOT do; folks: I verbally & then wrote letters to these folks: NOTHING worked; consider this carefully: our Gov working with Corps ARE OPERATING outside of the laws of the USA, Congress, & many times “international” law; they DELIBERATELY have caused incredible harm to it’s own citizens; while running around the nation saying” what of peoples rights and giving trillions of $ to illegals; HOW MUCH LONGER ARE WE GOING TO PUT UP WITH POLITICIANS who act to HARM the PEOPLE & the PLANET? They have all kinds of $ folks: they LIE, DECEPTION is the NAME of the GAME. WISE UP FAST! (if it is not to late already!)

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By Robert, August 16, 2008 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Ernest…excellent comment. You are right…Cheney, Bush & their masters (the Neocons”, have been playing some very dangerous games.

Cheney, Bush & the neocons are almost at the end of their disastrous road…hopefully. Keep an eye on the list of who gets the PARDON before January 21, 2009.

I am going to guess on one…Jonathan Pollard.

BTW, who sent Carl Rove to Ukraine? Is it Cheney, Bush…Hmmm?

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By cann4ing, August 16, 2008 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

The aggressive expansion of U.S. hegemony via the installation of missile defense systems in nations adjacent to Russia, the attempt to control oil, have backed the Russian bear into a corner.  When bears are backed into a corner, having no where else to go, they don’t cower and hide, they strike.  The recent events in Georgia should be a reminder to all that the greed driven quest for total world domination by the American empire, when extended to a country with a nuclear arsenal capable of destroying all life on the planet, is a very dangerous game to be playing; that the ramifications would make the quagmire in Iraq (remember neocon claims of being welcomed with flowers) look like a picnic.

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By Louise, August 16, 2008 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

Interesting.

So if we are to believe Karl Rove, the master of lies and propaganda, both candidates are firmly locked into the illegal practice of the United States engaging in THEIR [whoever they may be] Nation Building.

A simple reminder. Not for Karl, that festering boil on the side of humanity will never have value, so why bother? But to any and all who may care enough to pay attention.

We, the United States, have become completely dysfunctional. Our infrastructure is collapsing. Our military has been compromised to the point of disaster, should we ever actually be attacked.

Our politicians serve day and night to raise enough money to win re-election so they can continue working day and night to raise enough money to win re-election. And the people live in debt, or on the street, and have forgotten what the values they want to preserve are!

Now where in that mix is a voice of sanity that actually understands the needs and wishes and desires of another nation struggling to gain credibility? We don’t even understand our own needs and wishes and desires!

How on earth can we demand the right to direct another nation to credibility, when we have demonstrated so clearly, WE have NO credibility? And my gosh! No man on the face of the earth, save Bush, so clearly demonstrates our lack of credibility as does Karl Rove!

And we also have no oil! At least not enough to keep the greedy and corrupt rolling in money.

So, does the Ukraine have oil? Or are they just important because of their border to the North and East?

Well yes, Ukraine has substantial offshore natural gas and crude oil reserves. [But does not have technology to drill underwater deeper than 70-80 meters (200 feet).] And yes, their border is very important, Russia and the Black Sea!

The Black Sea is connected to the Mediterranean Sea, by the Dardanelles and the Bosporus respectively. And the Mediterranean connects to the Atlantic Ocean by the Strait of Gibraltar.

Ah-haw! Can we say big oil profit motive?

You can bet Ukraine’s not important because of a yearning, burning desire to improve the average life of the average Ukrainian! At least not to Karl Rove, or his associates. That man being foisted off on the world as somehow representing the people of the United States, is a monumental slap in the face to all of us! And very dangerous. We should be working to improve our image in the world, not re-enforcing the very bad image created by current, corrupt, corporate owned leadership.

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By Purple Girl, August 16, 2008 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

Mac has not flinched when his corrupt advisors are exposed. $800,000 paid lobbist for Georgia- conflict of interest? Phil Gramm the ‘ground zero’ financial insider. LIEberman, anti semitic follower and endorser of the Sociopathic Hagee.The list goes on, and yet he brazenly and unashamedly drags these vile men out on stage with him…Why?
Is he trying to lose the election? could he be intentionally pulling back the curtain on WHO he ‘does not speak for’ who are running his campaign?
Now Rove being his latest cheerleader- another great person to be affiliated with ah?
Seems Not only Has Mac recently flip flopped on numerous issues (and been more outrageous than ever W. on most) but his memory and linear thought abilities have taken a remarkable turn for the worse since he began campaigning. Stroke, Alzheimers, or a Con??
What would happen if he does name a Pro choice VP- loss of all those not so convinced Religious Conservatives? What if he named the LA Gov(?) who appears to be of Indian or pakistani descent- lose the Racist vote too?Seems his middle class voters took execption to Gramms ‘Whine ’ comment, but Mac had him sitting with Enron Wife Wendy in the From row the other day.
Seems Mac is doing everything in his powers to discredit himself and re inforce the concern about his age and health.he’s even got my life long Repub Mom leary of him, and looking at voting for Obama.
Mac would gain back my respect if he was actually putting ‘Country First’ and intentionally fucking over CheneyCorp. ‘Pay backs a Bitch’!!

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By msgmi, August 16, 2008 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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Tony Blair and Karl Rove are in Georgia and the Ukraine as emissaries to promote the neoCON sphere of influence in Putin’s back yard. The push to expand the neoCON agenda is vital to their goal for global influence and presence in areas of strategic targeting.

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By yellowbird2525, August 16, 2008 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

yes: they can commit & do & there offspring acts of crimes; and get away with it; have done so for years; even having sex with minors “no one” wants to prosecute; “murders” “suicides” (conveniantly) “accidents”; why does every other country have far far far more for the PEOPLE than this one? if we are the “greatest” country in the world (for fraud & corruption perhaps)why in American Idol give back in 2007 was there a school in Georgia that did not have ANY BOOKS for the kids in the school library? FIGURE IT OUT folks: EVERYTHING “they” claimed “Hussain” did THEY have done & with FAR FAR FAR more than any $4b; thus they run around the world “going globally” claiming they have gotten away with it in the USA for so long of course any other country can & should (with large bribes put in offshore accounts) do the same; going along with “their” game of Corrupt Gov & wealthy enslaving the people, poisoning them, feeding them lies, etc; THAT is why other countries see the citizens of the USA as “moron”; I tell them we “wear the mask of stupid” well;

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By hippy pam, August 16, 2008 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

OHHHhhh….KAAaay….so you CAN COMMIT A CRIME-GET CAUGHT-BE SUBPEONAED FOR COURT-and JUST LEAVE…THE COUNTRY????...giving “the bird” to the LEGAL SYSTEM?....while ALL THE REST OF US WILL GET IN DEEP DOO-DOO IF WE were to do anything even REMOTELY SIMILAR?????????[who hires these people?who makes the laws/rules?.I THOUGHT WE-THE PEOPLE DID….]

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By Tony Wicher, August 16, 2008 at 12:42 am Link to this comment

Very interesting indeed.

I sometimes wonder: if all the former Soviet republics can be both members of NATO and members of the EU, then why not Russia too? Then there would be nobody to defend against. Maybe that’s what Obama has in mind by “expanding NATO”. Why not?

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