thats what I thought.

re: By rowman, August 12 at 4:06 pm”

ad hominem ad nauseam

Are you illiterate or something? Few sandwiches short of a picnic eh…

The article you posted here in the link below, referred to them as separatists.

By so posting, you must be trying to delegitimize those poor people who want to succeed back to Russia and use violent means to do so. Many would agree with you and would endorse the actions of Georgia.
I am too far removed from the situation to know all the facts on the ground so I would not be so quick to pick sides. How about you? You live there since you seem to know so much?

Nah, I bet your some armchair political critic sitting in an American suburb. White, earn less than 50k a year, piles of debt, 2.5 kids and an unhappy marriage. Not sure how that makes you an authority on the subject though.

Care to qualify your expertise?

Nice sarcasm from angryarab.com:

“Two El Al Israel Airlines plane set off on Tuesday on special flights to Tbilisi in order to evacuate Israeli nationals waiting to leave war-torn Georgia.” I am sure that they are just tourists.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

(He’s referring to this item from Haaretz:)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010833.html

By rowman, August 12 at 2:36 pm:

You tried to delegitimize these people’s desire to secede from the ethnic republic of Georgia by citing their ethnicity. Well, so they don’t want to be part of Georgia.  The fact that they are ethnic Russians who legitimately live there and don’t want to be part of Georgia does not in any way excuse the barbarity of Georgia’s Israel-aided violence against them.

What?

Did you read the article you referenced here?  You must not have or selectively pulled quotes. What a joke.

Your own reference referred to them as separatists. Hello. Extra dose of the stupid pills this morning or what.

If you have an issue with that terminology, contact the original author and be more careful about what you post in the future. You put your aim on Isreal and didnt even read the article. lmao. That is just too much. The guy below is right. You are blinded by your bias.

rowman refers to the ” the separatists, who are Russians, living in Georgia…”

Of course, rowman the Israel-firster can’t get his mind around the concept that people of the “wrong” ethnicity can be the legitimate inhabitants of a place.

Ed,
I did not draw that conclusion from this article.

What is strange to me is that the separatists control South Ossetia. South Ossetia is within the borders of Georgia. Right? The separatist have been attacking Georgia, oil pipelines etc.

Georgia acted within its borders. Russia attacked saying they were protecting their citezens… that reside in Georgia.

Now Israel has security “consultants” in Georgia providing security protection from the separatists, who are Russians, living in Georgia attacking Georgian interests. If they are attacking Russian aggressors within Georgia, they are not attacking Russia, they are assisting Georgia in defense of their country within Georgia borders.

Guess it does not matter to some though. They will blame Israel regardless if it’s true or not.

More confirmation that this war was made in Israel. This article by Eric Walberg draws from Israeli sources, including Debka, which has close ties to the Israeli government and intel services.

Israel’s military involvement with Georgia was far from merely defensive. Russia didn’t start this war. Georgia did. It was an attack on Ossetia long planned by the Georgian government and Israel:

“But it’s also yet another made-in-Israel war. A thousand military advisers from Israeli security firms have been training the country’s armed forces and were deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to attack and capture the capital of South Ossetia, according to the Israeli web site Debkafiles which has close links with the regime’s intelligence and military sources.”

http://counterpunch.org/walberg08122008.html

Well, after reading all the posts on this matter, one thing is certain the facts and truth are still elusive, but conjecture is rampant so let me add my two cents.  The nation of Georgia knows full well it cannot take on the Russian military and we know that Russia was quite upset with the US prodding and backing Georgia to join NATO.  It is more likely that Russia goaded the South Ossetia separatist to conduct some hostile action and force Georgia to respond.  Once they responded, then Russian goes all out to remove this thorn in their side——its the oldest trick in the books and it still works.  The US has used it several times!!!

Well, gee. I just tested that ynet link, and it doesn’t work. The link has been changed. A google search yields this as the new link:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3580136,00.html

re: By tdrevo, August 11 at 6:57 pm:

Oh, tvedro, poor baby! Can’t handle the truth? Don’t want to believe us when we tell you that Israel is pushing this war? Well, take it from YNET, a popular Israeli news source (even if it needs better English language editors/translators):

“War in Georgia: The Israeli connection”

“...Israel began selling arms to Georgia about seven years ago following an initiative by Georgian citizens who immigrated to Israel and became businesspeople….”

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArti clePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3580136,00.html

Parting thought: tvedro, dear, do you think Israel’s sponsorship of this war might have something to do with the fact that Russia opposes Israel’s campaign to gin up a war to destroy Iran?

It is high prose for a newspaper, eh, Cyrena?

I read an analysis today that suggested an interesting scenario.  Russian intelligence got wind of an impending assault on Iran and responded to the Georgian attack in part to position itself for the US/Israeli attack on Iran.

That makes a certain amount of sense.  At the very least, Russia would use the attack on Iran to retake Georgia (and it’s pipeline).  It would also put masses of Russian troops in an area able to make US/Israeli planners nervous.  It might make everyone more than nervous.

We should call our lapdog to heel, give the Russian’s South Ossetia, and do our best to make the whole thing peter out.  We will probably do the opposite.

I fear that the fate of the world may rest on V.V. Putin’s shoulders.  He is cold and calculating, but thankfully/hopefully he is rational.  Unlike the leader of the other side, who wouldn’t know his own ass from a hole in the ground and is liable to step into either.

I love the prose!!

“..The international community collectively held their breath waiting for the reaction of Russia after the savage, brutal, criminal attack by Georgia on South Ossetia. After having offered a cease fire in hostilities, the back stabbing Georgians immediately violated the cease fire, invading South Ossetia and causing massive destruction and death among innocent civilians, among peacekeepers and also destroying a hospital…”

And this…

“..Georgian troops attempted to storm the city much as Hitler’s Panzer divisions blazed through Europe…”

~~~~~

Hey, what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander, eh?

And, there’s no uncertainty in the fact that Georgia started the aggression.

I’m surprised, (though I know I shouldn’t be) to learn of the “Israeli connection.” Is there ANYWHERE that Israel is not?

Ed, I don’t know if this is because of the attempt to gin up the destruction of Iran or not. Makes as much sense as anything though. Least we forget, the Armada is enroute to the Persian Gulf to complete the blockade formation against Iran. So no, none of this is likely to be ‘coincidental’.

Anyone who knows/reads me will know where i fall on this issue.

Still, i have to say it…there’s no truth (Pravda) in the news (Isvestia) and no news in the truth.

The fact is that this war was started by Georgia, not Russia.

The area of South Ossetia (nominally part of the independent state of Georgia since the end of the Soviet Union) has not been under Georgian central government control for many years, and it’s not because of Russia.

South Ossetia is dominated politically by a strong separatist movement. They don’t want to be part of Georgia, but they also don’t want to be part of Russia; they want to be independent. By agreement with the UN and the Georgian government, Russian peacekeepers have been there for years.

The night of the opening Olympic ceremonies, GEORGIA, not Russia, chose to initiate a war by invading and bombing these people, to force them to submit to Georgia’s domination. Russia is responding to Georgia’s aggression, which is a violation of the UN-sponsored status quo and therefore a violation of international law and human rights.

Russia is not trying to annex South Ossetia but to protect it from Georgia’s war of aggression and conquest.

And guess who is sponsoring Georgia’s aggression? Why, it’s Israel.

Don’t believe me that Israel is pushing this war? Well, take it from YNET, a popular Israeli news source:

“War in Georgia: The Israeli connection”

“...Israel began selling arms to Georgia about seven years ago following an initiative by Georgian citizens who immigrated to Israel and became businesspeople….”

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArti clePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3580136,00.html

Parting thought: could Israel’s sponsorship of this war have something to do with the fact that Russia opposes Israel’s campaign to gin up a war to destroy Iran?