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Crisis Mounts in Georgia as Russian Bombing Intensifies

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Posted on Aug 10, 2008
aftermath in Georgia
AP photo / George Abdaladze

A wounded Georgian woman lies in front of an apartment building damaged by a Russian airstrike in the northern Georgian town of Gori on Saturday.

Despite calls from international officials late in the week urging Russia to hold its fire against neighboring Georgia, Russian forces showed no sign of backing off over the weekend, nor had the United Nations managed to make headway in curbing the conflict.

Update: Russia escalated its attack Sunday, pushing past the borders of the disputed region of South Ossetia.


AP via Newsday:

Russia expanded its bombing blitz Sunday against neighboring U.S.-allied Georgia, targeting the country’s capital for the first time while Georgian troops pulled out of the capital of the contested province of South Ossetia under heavy Russian shelling.

Georgia’s Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said the Georgian troops had to move out of Tskhinvali because of heavy Russian fire.

“Russia further escalated its aggression overnight, using weapons on unprecedented scale. In these conditions our forces conducted redeployment,” Lomaia said.

Russian jets raided a plant on the eastern outskirts of Tbilisi that builds Su-25 ground jets used by Georgia in the conflict. The attack inflicted some damage to its runways but caused no casualties, said Georgia’s Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili.

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By Gaston, August 11, 2008 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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thanks a lot for the info and the fast reply. i laughed my ass off reading

From Off-Shore Drilling to the Georgian War
The Moronic Party
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

at http://counterpunch.com/roberts08112008.html

thanks jackpine savage. now i hear US cannot stop Israel from attacking Iran becuse its an independent country. one of the best jokes i`ve heard lately.

i also checked Kellina´s suggestions about whatreallyhappened.com, wtcdemolition.com and rys2sense.com. the first and the last i liked the most, especially the last one…really intresting, like i didnt know israel attacked syria some days ago and other sad stuff.

it was a very fruitfull day. its getting late here and i cant find the page again. while going through the links i read about the future strategy of the US on foreign policy. now i cant find it, but ill find it sooner or later. talked a lot about proxy wars and the convenience of that style of warfare. now proxy war with russia through georgia. then i find this “Israel to brief George Bush on options for Iran strike” at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19010.htm
another proxy war…man…they dont lose a minute. like a giant puzzle that starts to look familiar…amazing.

and to zeitgeist 9/11… i really didnt understand the whole message. in any case, thanks for the comment and support, and i feel safe cause i voluntarily dont have a cell phone raspberry believe it or not, im still studying, dont work, so really dont feel the need to use that un-communicating system yet. i know that day will come, just hope its far away.

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By Kellina, August 11, 2008 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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Gaston - great post, I hear ya, man. Trying to give people the red pill when all they want is the blue pill….

Try this website (my favorite place to get the news):

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

or this one (main page or blog):

http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog/

or even this one (bad spelling, good info):

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/

Best,
Kellina

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By samosamo, August 11, 2008 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

Or, as I have found, reading the books of active real professional investigative reporters. These are usually in the ‘Politics’ or ‘History’ sections of bookstores. And biograhpy sections. But unless you do the actual investigating and/or reporting, you will have to seek it out or follow links to websites to books, to magazines for what I can list right now.
Most news from magazines and newpapers will only allow you to have information that they want or have been ordered to give you but you pick and choose and you will find more than you might think. Like international newspapers and magazines providing you understand the language.

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By jackpine savage, August 11, 2008 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

Gaston,

Unfortunately, i don’t feel comfortable giving you two or three web sites where you’ll get the “truth”.  Most of the websites (like Truthdig) tend to recycle mainstream news stories or simply post editorials.  There is little investigative web journalism.

I will recommend counterpunch.com as a good source of reading material.  I think that you’ll find more of what you’re looking for by choosing a couple and making yourself at home in the comments section.  Here you can ask questions, and generally follow links for further reading.

Truthdig has a very good comment section, especially if you don’t bother so much with the US politics articles.

When a link leads you to a good site, bookmark it and check back now and again.  While the truth is out there, it is mostly buried and left to you to piece together.

Cheers

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By zeitgeist 9/11, August 11, 2008 at 10:44 am Link to this comment
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Gaston,
If you came trolling for some conspiracy theorist to join the bandwagon, you have come to the right place!

The zeitgeist 9/11 videos you refer to were authored by members of the American nazi party for the purpose of creating fear and dissention of the government and usher in the next Third Reich. Once we tear down the empire, we will rule the world again.

We have funded the development of all mobile phone technology and hold all the patents. Why? We have secret technology to monitor all of you actions, discussions and brain wave activity. We own all those who do not agree with us.

Everyone on this site is a member and does as we say and direct. Come join our party

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By Gaston, August 11, 2008 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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first, hi all. im from uruguay, a small country between argentina and brazil along the coast. on saturday evening the news here were showing bombings of civilian by russian forces attacking georgia. its usual here to repeat what CNN said, about almost anything they come up with. nothing new to anyone posting here i guess; and hope. i`ve seen zeitgeist, wag the dog, a bunch of movies about the 9/11 bullshit, i even read Rebuilding Americas National Defences (yes the whole crazy new Mein Kampf). i enjoy studying history, which i find far more informative than anything that comes out of the tv. i think im pretty sure about how imperialism works, and more important, under what disguise it may appear, usually as a search for lasting “freedom”, “peace”, lately “democracy”. its also nothing new to anyone that the US is an imperialist power, that republican or democrat is the same s… with a diffrent smell and wont change nothing; and hope you are also aware that if tomorrow the US decided to back down from everywhere and go back to islationism, another country would fill in the gap instantly because its just human nature.
the truth is, here, no one believes me. and i really try man, i really try. i organize some meetings with friends, long time friends, show them zeitgeist, 9/11 truth…nothing works. they just dubb me the conspiracy theorist. i try everything, i discuss with them, i give them books, i really use the words “dont believe me, go look it up for yourself, think and make a mind of your own!”...nothing really works. now i really think and believe that the first information people get about anything will be what they`ll retain more and say they “think”, and very little reasoning goes beyond that point. so, recently i just resigned from the mission of opening my friends eyes, yeah…just f… off, think what you want. im really tired of trying, but they are my friends and i really care for what they think, so im asking for some advise here. im really intrested in knowing 2 or 3 websites that give a precise appreciation of situations like this one on georgia. im not looking for THE website that will tell me the whole truth cause i know it doesnt exists. i just want to be able to form a general and impartial view based on the 3 websites, and im not just applying it to the georgia thing, about world affairs in general. i ask this cause here (this webpage) it appears people are more into the matter than i do, and i would appreciate a more expertize advise. im planning to (appart from reading them myself) pass the information to my friends in a last effort to “convert” them, thats why i would like really trustworthy pages, because at the minimum sign they dubb it yellow press and pay no attention to it.
i apologize for starting right away with something that has nothing to do with the discussion but i really need a hand with this one.
about whats happening in georgia…it just sounds “usual”. one big country defends its “intrest” (im still looking for that definition by the way) another big country defends their “intrests” and there are innocent people standing in the crossfire. the puppet state of the moment will be the one that gets the worst part when the big ones stop the fighting and possibly regret their actions, depending on the scale of destruction and killing, for 15-70 years, not more; maybe even less… “usual”.
Georgia did a couple of really stupid moves, like not allowing the independece of Southern Ossetia when Russia had peacefully allowed theirs, and doing the dirty work for the US hoping Russia wouldnt retaliate. and i suspect, that in the attempt of escaping from russian influence Georgia is definetely heading towards it, cause once the oil pipes are built and working, the US will leave immediately to continue the slaughter elsewhere, but Georgia will be siting on the exact same place it was before all started. of course this might be delayed some time while the oil runs out.

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By Paolo, August 11, 2008 at 5:52 am Link to this comment

A libertarian, non-interventionist view:

If you thought the US leadership knew nothing about Middle Eastern culture (for example, the differences between Shi’ites and Sunnis), you were right.

Now, we have the same gang of nitwits pretending to know something about the ethnic and cultural differences between Georgia, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia. What sheer effrontery! What boundless chutzpah!

Putin would be totally correct to tell the US to go to hell and stay out the affairs of countries on the far side of the globe.

Of course, the US has supported the Saakashvili regime in Georgia—a regime hardly noted for any democratic or freedom-supporting tendencies. Our brilliant tyrants in Washington want to use Georgia as a chess piece in their efforts to surround Russia with unfriendly regimes. What a bunch of warmongering jerks!

Ron Paul and the Founders are right. “Free and open trade with all nations; entangling alliances with none.” Amazingly, this sound policy of not wanting to bomb total strangers on the far side of the globe is derided as “isolationism!”

Those who call for a non-interventionist foreign policy are not “isolationists”: they want to engage foreign countries with exchange of goods and ideas. If you really want to experience “isolation” from the rest of the world, try following our masters in Washington as they attempt to bomb the rest of the world into submission.

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By purplewolf, August 11, 2008 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

Bill: we get no news about the US violence in Iraq because long ago the Bushco bunch made rules against showing the American public what is actually happening. As a preteen/teenager when Vietnam happened, it seemed like that was all that was on the news and in the newspaper and this war zip, nodda, nothing. Makes you wonder what other illegal things they are trying to hide, doesn’t it?

And now on this mornings web news: America airlifting Georgian soldiers out of Iraq to take them home to fight. Perhaps we need some major conflict, aside from the floods, fires in California, and other disasters here at home so we can airlift out own soldiers back to America and get them the hell out of Iraq.

And wasn’t it just a few months ago Bush was seeking favor from Russia to locate his missiles in the area that Russia was not comfortable with? Bet this sits well with them.

And it is about time to eliminate the name “National Guard” as they no longer exist as they were originally intended to be, as is “National” as in homeland and not on foreign soil as they are now. The new guard should be called, “Team America World Police”, like that stupid puppet movie from a few years ago, since we have a puppet of a president who seems to think that we should be the world police anyway.

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By lodipete, August 10, 2008 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

You folks on the Democrat side of the aisle need to start going after this senile lunatic McCain NOW before some of the rubes in this country actually start believing that the US has “vital interests” in the former republics of the Soviet Union. Some Americans have a vital interest getting an oil pipeline built that doesn’t go thru Russia so that they can make more money while sending American youth of the working & poor classes off to their profitable,imperial wars while they strut around wearing flag lapel pins and chanting USA #1 at sporting events. I’m 63 years old and I’ve seen too much of this crap in my lifetime. Enough is enough. McCain’s background as a naval pilot disqualifies him as an expert on war. Dropping bombs from high altitude, returning to your ship for a nice meal, a shower and a soft bunk is not quite the same war that an infantryman sees. Go to the State Dept. and see what happened in the journal of foreign affairs in 1954 when the French asked for help at Dien Bien Phu. Eisenhower consulted the JCS and this is what he recieved as advice; The Air Force said they could knock out the Viet Minh in 2 weeks. The Navy said “victory” in 6 weeks. the Army said; “a minimum of 600,000 COMBAT TROOPS, no timetable & no guarantee of victory”. Ike listened to the Army.

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By amunaor, August 10, 2008 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

samosamo…the beast will die only when the thirsty machinery no longer has any oil pools to drink from, followed by TV…...only then will Dorothy’s, mesmerized gaze, suddenly wrenched from TV, and like the sudden burst of sunlight, following a stormy night, the scene behind the curtain will bring the clarity of a new day.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By samosamo, August 10, 2008 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

zeitgeist,

I feel strongly that your euphemism could have equally have meant: We the ‘elites’ have declared and are waging war against you the people, the dumb veggies that we hooked on tv and oil or would that be oil and tv?
And having had war declared on one’s self and having war being waged upon one’s self would be very serious busniess, well, if it wasn’t for tv and oil or is it oil and tv. I’m confused.

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By amunaor, August 10, 2008 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

Thanks linguist, fortunately, I have with my cable subscription, the same RT ‘Russia Today’ channel depicted in your link, which I’ve been monitoring.

CNN…....forget it! Better yet…..block it so your children can’t accidently tune to it!

For those that don’t have RT cable station, you can also keep up at the following link:

Real News Video:  Russian-Georgian War Threatens To Drag Israel Into The Conflict:
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=91&task=videodirectlink&id=223

**samosamo: I would say that Russia will not just idly lay around while american imperialists are gobbling up all those new southern asian oil states.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope**

Precisely! Remember the Bush, so called, defense shield? A euphemism for: expansion shield, and a corporate shield at that!! These folks don’t give a hoot about democracy, only the bottom-line.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, August 10, 2008 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

**bill: why can AP run pictures of victims of Russian violence, but not those by US in Iraq?**

Good point bill! Should speak volumes to all listening!

The biggest propaganda station to be shut down in the Georgia region was that owned and operated by neocon, boot-licker Rupert Murdoch of Fixed News. Good for them! No doubt, it was his diarrhea of the mouth that played no little part in helping to foment and fan the flames for this insurrection.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Beltor, August 10, 2008 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment
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Many people believe the next biblical event is Russia attacking Israel. God destroys Russian army. It is such a bad defeat, it takes 7 years to clean up the mess that will be scattered in the golan heights.

This is very interesting because Isreal is helping Georgia right now and Russia said today that they will punish Israel for doing this.

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By dihey, August 10, 2008 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

The conflict Russia/Georgia highlights the hypocrisy of both wannabe’s policy vis a vis Iran. In the case of Iran, a country that has not invaded its neighbors, “everything (including nuclear) must remain on the table” whereas Russia and Georgia which have invaded something are asked for “restraint.” It is the typical attitude of the bully. Be obliging to other bullies but frighten the little fellows. After all, in the real world of today the other bully also has nukes. Both McCain and Obama act as if they are already our President which they are not. Only Mr. Bush can determine what might be done if anything. He is remarkably mute and “restrained”. Condy is hiding under the table. This is the shipwreck of a recklessly stupid Bush policy.
There is also an eerie similarity with the conflict of Hitler Germany and Czechoslovakia. When Hitler threatened to take Sudentenland by force, Stalin gave the Czechs extremely vague and insincere insurances that he would come to their help which he never intended to honor. When the chips were down he retracted because the Soviet Union had no borders with Czechoslovakia and he was not sure that his army could beat the Germans.
2000 Georgian soldiers in Iraq. Why? That, my friends is called brown-nosing in our language. In German “Rueckendeckung.” In French: “Merde.”

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

No western cameras in South Ossetia. The conflict over Georgia’s breakaway republic is as much about information as it is about weapons. South Ossetia’s press service claims Western media outlets can’t be trusted because they haven’t been operating in the region ”since the conflict began”.

http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/28738/video

“Only the Russian media and one Ukrainian channel have been filming in the breakaway republic. No western camera crews have been working in the conflict zone,” Suslan Bekoev, South Ossetian committee for information and press, said.

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Russian President Dmitri Medvedev has instructed the General Prosecutor’s office to conduct a through investigation into crimes committed by Georgian military against the residents of South Ossetia. He made the move after his meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. 

Vladimir Putin arrived in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia on Saturday late in the evening. Refugees arrive in North Ossetia from South Ossetia. Exodus started after the Georgian forces intruded into Georgia’s breakaway region Friday night. Georgian forces have completely destroyed the capital Tskhinvali. Over 34 thousand people have already fled from South Ossetia, and reportedly 2 thousand people were killed during the aggression. Thousands of people are still hiding in cellars in Tskhinvali, and these people cannot leave the city since the Georgian forces firing at them. Over ten Russian peacekeepers, who have been in South Ossetia under international agreements, were killed and over 150 Russian soldiers were injured.

All this has prompted Vladimir Putin to describe the action of the Georgian military as a crime against civilians, a larger number of which are citizens of Russia. Vladimir Putin suggested gathering documental evidences of the crimes committed.

Dmitri Medvedev says that he will issue a relevant decree because the Prosecutor General’s office should investigate each incident. The prosecutors must gather documental evidences and analyse them thoroughly to bring the culprits to justice said Dmitri Medvedev.

Meanwhile, Russia’s human rights ombudsman Vladimir Lukin suggested setting up an international tribunal to punish those who ordered to destroy Tskhinvali and kill civilians:

“I call on human rights organizations, the Council of Europe and other organizations to handle the issue”

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on his part said that Russia as a peacekeeper bears responsibility for the development in South Ossetia. He urged the US, the European Union, France, Germany and other countries to join peacekeeping efforts in South Ossetia.

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Quixotic your post is full of typical stereotypes and cliches: “USSR regains strength” (USSR collapsed in 1991), “Russia has invaded a sovereign country” (unlike the USA that invaded Iraq behind the back of the UN Security Council, Russia have had peacekeepers there since 1994 under the UN SC urisdiction), “new czar” (Putin is just a strong leader with strong sense of national interests unlike “puppet governemt” placed by the USA in several countries).
There is a Latin saying “Cui prodest?” (Who benefits). I can say that according to all the foundations of the political science the current situation in Georgia is beneficial to Bush government (“Wag the Dog” - rent this movie, I highly recommend it!!!) that was incapable to withstand mortgage crisis and unemployment rate. The best way to distract public attention from INNER CRISIS is make an OUTER CRISIS (in that case Saakashvili pulls chestnuts out of the fire for Bush)
An image of “Russian agressor” can unite population and distract it from more significant inner problems in economics and healthcare system (another great movie all Americans should watch is “Sicko” by Michael Moore)

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By cyrena, August 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

linguist, August 10 at 5:47 am #

Resolution 937 (1994) adopted by the Security Council at its 3407th meeting, on 21 Jul 1994

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Thank you linguist!!! For this and the history as well.

I had given up trying to find this on line, (at least for the time). Now, you’ve provided it for me. It’s exactly what I wanted to read, and the history helps even more.

Thanks again,
cyrena

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By Quixotic, August 10, 2008 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

Now we see what was wrong with going into Iraq and losing international opinion and the problems with the GOP hamstringing Clinton’s presidency; the USSR regains strength. Russia has resumed bomber flights, exerting international influence, and has invaded a “sovereign” country.

Though our current leader looked into Putan’s soul, and said he was ok, the rest of sane people should have been worried about containing the new czar. My prediction will be the retaking of the former Soviet states into a Russian “republic” or a “Russian Union” based on “terrorist” attacks on Russia. Who remembers Chechnya?

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By samosamo, August 10, 2008 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

I would say that Russia will not just idly lay around while american imperialists are gobbling up all those new southern asian oil states. This really looks to be a contrived thing to get the world back to permanent wars all the time everywhere. The elites I would bet are behind all of this, controlling the US military now the Russian military, this is a very bad sign. Would somebody ever be able to come up with a plan to stop these evil people from obtaining their goal?
What ever is going to happen will be shocking if not over whelming.

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By WARIS SHERE, August 10, 2008 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has demanded that a total pullout of Georgian troops from the conflict zone remains the only solution to the South Ossetian crisis. The southern half of a mountainous territory has enjoyed autonomous status under Communism for many years. In the Soviet era the region was divided between North Ossetia, now in Russia, and South Ossetia, then within the Georgian Republic. When the Soviet Union was dissolved in the early 1990s, South Ossetia resisted being absorbed into an independent Georgia, and broke away. South Ossetia has yet to be recognized diplomatically, but Russia has supplied moral, political and economic support all through. Georgians firmly believe the Russians are using South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another breakaway region as an excuse to punish them for seeking friendship to the West. This ongoing battle and conflict will have very major repercussions well beyond this unstable region. In the streets of Gori, where Stalin was born, the people were still in a state of shock, the country Stalin once ruled. Meanwhile Georgia’s president Mikail Saakashvili has called for an immediate ceasefire claiming that Russia had launched a full-scale military invasion on his country.  The Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, has said recetly: “Our peacekeepers and units subordinate to them are now carrying out an operation to force the Georgian side to peace.” The only way out of the crisis was for Georgia to pull its troops out of South Ossetia, said the Russian President. Approximately 70 per cent of the buildings were in ruins, and estimated a civilian death toll of over 2,000, according to Russian journalists.  Reliable sources have confirmed that Russian troops have taken control of the city of Tskhinvali, the ruined capital of the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia. “The humanitarian situation is horrifying. We have no cameras and cannot document what we can see but the morgues are busy receiving streams of dead bodies”,  according to the government spokesperson.  Most of Tskhinvali is controlled by Russian peacekeeping forces, Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, of the Russian general staff said. There have been worldwide criticism and calls for an end to the fighting. Russia’s Ambassador to NATO Dmitry Rogozin said that what was happening in Georgia’s breakaway region could only be seen as “ethic cleansing and genocide”. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters that the violence had already claimed hundreds of lives . The Nato secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said Russia had violated Georgia’s territorial integrity in South Ossetia. De Hoop Scheffer called for talks to restore Georgian control over its breakaway province and expressed concern about “the disproportionate use of force”. Some observers feared Russia might not be satisfied until it saw the overthrow of the Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili, who has enraged Moscow with his pro-western alliance and bid to bring his small nation into Nato. From the Western perspective, a long-held strategic aim was to obtain oil from the Caspian Sea region by a route outside Russian control. This was achieved with the opening in 2006 of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, the second-longest in the world, which runs through Georgia. Russia has insisted all along that there would be no ceasefire until all Georgian troops had withdrawn from South Ossetia, which declared its independence from Georgia after a war in 1992. “The first thing needed is to ... make the Georgians return to their positions and re-establish the status quo we had before,” Russia’s Nato ambassador, Dmitry Rogozin, said . Russia has accused the West of contributing to the violence by selling arms to Georgia. Ukraine, a former Soviet republic whose pro-Western government wants membership of Nato and the EU, had encouraged Georgia to carry out ‘ethnic cleansing’ in South Ossetia, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

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By Gerd, August 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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Many years ago georgia ivoked russia for help agains turkish barbarians and russia took georgia under protection. Now they are betraying the country which helped them to survive! The US and EU will never start war against russian federation because russia is a powerful country with nuclear weapons. Bush only tries to make some smalls dirty tricks with help of little countries like georgia, ukrain. Seems that bush is n’t a prescient politics, feel sorry for the US about it..

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By bill, August 10, 2008 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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why can AP run pictures of victims of Russian violence, but not those by US in Iraq?

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By Joe R., August 10, 2008 at 9:55 am Link to this comment
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Bush has from the very beginning of his reign, tried to reignite the nuclear arms race.  Every former Soviet block country has been courted to house the neo-cons star wars missile defence shield and Bush has tried, with some success, to surround Russia with nuclear weapons aimed at them. 

What the hell do we expect the Russian reaction to be?  The Georgians started this fight and Russia is going to kick their ass.  I hope the American people don’t gravitate to McCain because of this but I bet they will.  The American people are pretty stupid when it comes to this stuff. 

It almost looks like it was planned out for an as of yet unknown outcome, doesn’t it?

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

A brief introduction into history: Ossetia (in the years before Soviet Union there was single Ossetia) joined Russian Empire long before Georgia. Later when Georgia was included into Soviet Union Bolsheviks divided Ossetia into North (part of Russian Soviet Socialist Republic ) and South (part of Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic) according to geographic landscape (natural mountain chain). Then in the end of the 20th century Georgia announced South Ossetia and Abkhazia separatists. BUT these territories were merged with Georgia during Soviet times. After the collapse of Soviet Union Georgia proclaimed its independence without carrying out referendum in all the autonomous regions (S. Ossetia and Abkhazia were autonomous regions in Georgia).
After the USSR collapse in 1991 Russian Federation as its successor proclaimed that any former citizen of the USSR can apply for Russian citizenship. That’s why 90% of S. Ossetian population have Russian citizenship.

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By jerry gates, August 10, 2008 at 7:11 am Link to this comment
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,The Russians are coming, Get Paul revere up, the lanterns are lit and the down range area is no longer clear. The US has taken a steo too far in training Georgias Military with Israeli seditionist aid and abett. Not pretty for Bush as he just dissed the Chinese peoples republic at their own Olympics.

  Speaking of Olympians, Charles Atlas was known to feel that if he was given a long enough leaver and a place to stand, he could move the earth. Did I just feel a little tremble on the planet?

  Whoops, who knew that Medvedev and Putin weren’t asleep at the wheel of their newly minted communist socialism in Moscow. As the world turns out, Medvedev is every bit as cockey as Putin and the Israeli spooks, US cia and Their crack seditionists are scrambling for the exits and in narrow staircsaes, with a few floors to descend before they can run from trouble.

  Get them out of there, Bush, these people are in deep shit, right?

  What comes around has indeed gone around the wheels of fortune in these United States with George Bush having to dodge laser guided chaos from 9 months in, of his trip on the commander in chief carosel,and make every emergency decision based on counsel of his worst vice, Vice President Dick, Cheney.

  Is Cheney shaking in his garfield socs? You bet your ass he is and this wet bed is getting wetter by the minute. You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet, Dick, better strap yourself to the warroom and get busy with the generals, you just opened up a whole can uf kicked ass and their isn’t anything Israel can do to stop this karma, from converting now,you made your bed, and now you can sleep in it!

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

Resolution 937 (1994) adopted by the Security Council at its 3407th meeting, on 21 Jul 1994
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/MHII-65G7RP?OpenDocument

Agreement On A Ceasefire And Separation Of Forces, Signed In Moscow On 14 May 1994
http://www.c-r.org/our-work/accord/georgia-abkhazia/keytext3.php

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By cyrena, August 10, 2008 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

Jackpine…

Despite calls from international officials late in the week urging Russia to hold its fire…

“These wouldn’t be the same “international officials” who blocked the UN Security Council resolution tabled by Russia calling for “renouncing the use of force by all sides” about a week ago, would they?  Why would the US veto a resolution like that when one of the parties tabled the resolution in the first place?”

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I didn’t even know about this resolution. NOR was I aware that there were both Georgian and Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia under the UN mandate, as Linguist provides here.

Actually, I’d been looking for such a mandate since Friday, but apparently my search hasn’t been focused enough. I’m just interested in the historical details from a non-Western source.

So, I’ll keep looking.

Thanks to both of you for the prompt. There should be something at my regular sites, so maybe I was just tired or got distracted when I was checking before.

If you have any links, that would be really helpful. I’m just going to check the UN site for now.

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

I just translated the news from South Ossetian website http://osradio.ru/?ent=11831

Afro-American combat engineer and several Georgian troopers are captured in Zar settlement near Tshinvali.  Apparently American officer is a NATO instructor. Now he is transfered to Vladikavkaz for interrogation on what he was dooing in South Ossetia.

By the way in American news there are no interviwes with Ossetian refugees who had been slaughtered in Tshinvali overnight. CNN events coverage only began since Russian peacekeepers entered South Ossetia at 4 am in August 8, 2008. But at 23:30 Georgian army performed a massive rocket mortar shelling of sleeping non-combatants. This is what Saakashvili calls “to establish constitutional order”. Both Georgian and Russian peacekeepers were in South Ossetia under the UN mandate. But approximately half an hour before the Georgian attack on Tshinvali they left their positions. Later on Russian PK blockpost was shelled from tanks and mortars.
But that fact has never been mentioned in Western Mass Media. Anti-Russian paranoia reigns there.

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By jackpine savage, August 10, 2008 at 6:04 am Link to this comment

Without a doubt, Saggy, there is a neo-con connection to all of this.  There are definitely CIA personnel in Georgia.  Good evidence links US involvement to the string of “color revolutions” throughout the former Soviet sphere of influence.  You could also take a look at Cheney’s maps of desire.  Caspian pipelines running through Georgia are a prime interest…provoking the Russians and testing our weapons systems against them directly is just a bonus.

We’re playing at the Great Game, but our bumbling amateurs fail to recognize that their opponent - V.V. Putin - is actually a professional.

And unfortunately, the progressive news outlets are playing right along with the neo-conning of America yet again.

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By matzoni, August 10, 2008 at 6:01 am Link to this comment
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yes, CNN has misreported the war. Russia did not bomb Tbilisi but had bombed civilian targets in Gori and Poti, in addition to military targets far from the arena of conflict.

Saggy asks what is the connection to this war?
energy.
Georgia provides a major alternative energy transit route to Russia’s monopoly on transit routes to Europe.
What did Georgia want most from the west for their interest in their territory? Help getting their separatist territories back and Russia off their backs. How do they get the separatists back? With military might. The US showered them in weapons and training. Then Georgia got cocky and used force to get the easy territory back without realizing just how harsh Russia would react.

The fact that the US and EU did nothing while this was happening is a geopolitical reality check. The west needs Russia more than Georgia right now. The US needs their backing on Iran and the EU needs good energy prices.

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By jackpine savage, August 10, 2008 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

Despite calls from international officials late in the week urging Russia to hold its fire…

These wouldn’t be the same “international officials” who blocked the UN Security Council resolution tabled by Russia calling for “renouncing the use of force by all sides” about a week ago, would they?  Why would the US veto a resolution like that when one of the parties tabled the resolution in the first place?

Well, because our son of a bitch Mikheil Saakashvili was all too happy to use his brand new US arms to poke the bear in the eye.  Putin (this is his game, not Medvyed’s) is the wrong guy to keep poking.

But of course, even the “progressive” news outlets keep repeating the meme about Russian aggression.  Do a little digging, truthers, and find out what “democracy” in Georgia really looks like. (hint: lot’s of repression and lot’s of money spent…some if it yours in the form of military aid…on buying cool new killing toys from the US MIC)

The only real question is whether the Bush administration has the cajones to send American troops to back up our tin-pot dictator.  My guess is “no”, but only because we generally don’t pick fights with countries that can fight back.

The Georgians couldn’t even defeat the South Ossetians, they aren’t going to beat the Russians without major help from outside.

As an historical footnote concerning the “Georgian personality”: most of the most evil villains of the Soviet years were Georgian…not even Russian.  Stalin, Beria, etc.  Oh wait, maybe that explains the Bush administration’s fondness for Georgia…

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By linguist, August 10, 2008 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/pics/double_eng.gif

Have you seen the movie “Wag the Dog” with Robert de Niro and Dastin Hophman? I really recommend you to do that. Do not trust what you are fed with through your TV.
Really Fox News, CNN and Sky News are brainwashing you. I bet half of the American have not ever known that Georgia is a country not a US state (with Atlanta as a capital).

Try to analyse the situation yourself by comparing news from Russia, for instance. http://www.russiatoday.com
That is the only way to reveal the truth.

Don’t be a victim of double standards.

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By Nikolay Kukharenko, August 10, 2008 at 5:02 am Link to this comment
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http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/pics/double_eng.gif

Have you seen the movie “Wag the Dog” with Robert de Niro and Dastin Hophman? I really recommend you to do that. Do not trust what you are fed with through your TV.
Really Fox News, CNN and Sky News are brainwashing you. I bet half of the American have not ever known that Georgia is a country not a US state (with Atlanta as a capital).

Try to analyse the situation yourself by comparing news from Russia, for instance. http://www.russiatoday.com

Don’t be a victim of double standards.

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