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Ear to the Ground

Edwards Admits Affair, Denies Having Love Child

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Posted on Aug 8, 2008
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The hair wasn’t the half of it: former presidential candidate John Edwards.

If John Edwards hoped to keep the lid on his extramarital affair with fledgling filmmaker Rielle Hunter, his alleged recent chase scene at a Beverly Hills hotel, co-starring spies from the National Enquirer, probably didn’t help matters much. The former presidential candidate has finally owned up to the affair, although he still denies that he fathered Hunter’s newborn.

Update: Rielle Hunter does not plan to establish who the baby’s father is through DNA testing, although Edwards says he is willing to do it.<?b>


ABC.com:

In an interview for broadcast tonight on Nightline, Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 44-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her.

Edwards also denied he was the father of Hunter’s baby girl, Frances Quinn, although the one-time Democratic Presidential candidate said he has not taken a paternity test.

Edwards said he knew he was not the father based on timing of the baby’s birth on February 27, 2008. He said his affair ended too soon for him to have been the father.

A former campaign aide, Andrew Young, has said he was the father of the child.

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By Hemi*, August 10, 2008 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

mackTN,

You are dead on! Some might ask, why bother discussing this minor personal infidelity when there are other bigger issues? You’ve summed it up nicely, it all comes down to accountability. We do want our money and support to go where intended.

Edwards has not been off the radar for long at all. It seems only weeks ago he was still considered a possible Obama running mate. He doesn’t hold office now and with what seems to be due scrutiny he won’t hold office in the future.

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By mackTN, August 10, 2008 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

...this story has nothing to do with Obama but it has everything to do with why we really need big changes in government.

Edwards is hardly a private citizen.  He’s a political player, a presidential candidate whose campaign solicited funds from contributors based on a platform of poverty.  His backdrop—Hurricane Katrina victims—whose lives were flooded to oblivion.

Yet Edwards hires some floozy for $114,000 paid by donor contributions, and promotes her proxy boyfriend to a desirable staff position as well. 

His buddy feels sorry for Hunter and Young—amidst all the Hurricane Katrina victims better deserving of sympathy—relocates them across the country to million dollar homes—separately—and pays them thousands of dollars a month BECAUSE HE FEELS SORRY FOR THEM!  How many Hurricane Katrina victims deserve such sympathy?  Why not find them an apartment and jobs?  Better yet a Fema trailer?

Isn’t this the kind of disrespect we loathe from elected officials who go to Washington and cash in, using its loopholes as personal accounts instead of handling the people’s business as they have been charged to do? 

Edwards wants the focus to be on sex rather than the CRIMINAL MISUSE of campaign funds and utter HYPOCRISY in the service of poor people. 

Why should Hunter agree to a paternity test—she’s already getting more money than she would in any court?  Of course, if Edwards begged and offered to restrict the announcement to his non-paternity, I’m sure she would agree. 

Minimize this is like minimimzing Bush pardoning Libby, the attorney general politicizing the department, lobbyists influencing legislation. 

When I donate to a campaign, I want my money to be used for the stated purpose and not for wooing and bedding goodtime girls.

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By Hemi*, August 10, 2008 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Tyler,

“wow hemi, quite the cold comment.  bitter coz you’ve never been loved?”

Even if that were the case , it takes nothing away from what I wrote. Yes it could be seen as cold but face it you’ve done nothing to disuade anyone it is likely true. That’s the key word that’s missing, true.

People look for truth in those they elect and those they elect to spend their lives with. Elizabeth Edwards is not reading this so where is the cold hurting anything or anyone? Perhaps it hurts you? Are you really that concerned with Mrs. Edwards plight? I doubt that very much. Unless of course you are “looking for love in all the wrong places” yourself.

What’s wrong with bitter anyway? Bitter comes from frustration and if you can live your life without frustration, more power to ya. If you are not frustrated you’re likely not paying attention. Saying you don’t expect more of people just doesn’t cut it. Who gives a flying crap that he f*cks around? I don’t but he was the one bringing the false Christian veneer and the family man image to the forefront. Maybe if he was more open with his playboy attitude he would still be in the race. Most folks are sleezebags, why wouldn’t they vote for one? It worked for Billy C.

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By cyrena, August 10, 2008 at 2:22 am Link to this comment

Aw maani…

Thou doest protest a bit much.

I said this…

Dr. Know it all, I LOVE it. Maani doesn’t get it, but I LOVE it!! Explains everything…  Debilitated twinkies???? Too good.
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You responded with all of this.

“..By Maani, August 9 at 6:20 pm #
Cyrena:
Why do you have to insult me for no reason?  I most certainly did “get it,” but was just playing around with DKIA.  And I would bet he understood that.
But you…
You seem to have a deep-seeded need to insult and denigrate me at any opportunity, even when it is completely unnecessary.
You never change, do you?
Peace.
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Get over yourself Maani, and leave me off of your patient list. In short; grow a thicker skin, whatever it takes. I said you ‘didn’t get it’. You say you did. So be it. It wasn’t any ‘deep-seeded need’ that I have to insult and denigrate you at any opportunity. Is that EVER ‘necessary’?

Jeeze..between you and the beerdoc, I feel like I’ve been involuntarily recruited to fill in as a moderator/scapegoat at a Neurotics Anonymous gathering.

If I really wanted to denigrate or insult you, you present MULTPLE ‘opportunities’. Since that doesn’t happen to be my goal, (with you or anyone else) I generally pass, unless you come up with some of your whoppers.

So relax. Take a chill pill, and rest while your thicker skin is taking root.

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By cyrena, August 9, 2008 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

thebeerdoctor, August 9 at 4:44

•  “John Edwards has been neutralized politically speaking. Until only a few months ago he was a presidential candidate was he not?”

Until a few months ago??? How many times do we have to say this beerdoc? John Edwards is a private citizen, and has been for well over 5 years now, since he vacated his Senate position to run in the 2004 presidential election campaign. He left the 2008 campaign several months ago, and so he REMAINS a private citizen. (or at least that is his theoretical right). His ONLY political power is that he is one of many superdelegates in the democratic party. Does his having an extra marital affair change how he might vote? Or, maybe we should strip him of his vote? (That’ll fix him and those stupid democrats, eh?)

Please beerdoc, tell us what political influence has been neutralized? (that wasn’t already, by the mere fact that he is not running for office)You can’t. You’re incapable of reason or logic, so all you can ever do is accuse others of being ‘intolerant’ or claiming that anyone who notes your lack of reason and logic is badmouthing you because you don’t agree with them. The irony is almost laughable. I say almost, because in reality, it is a sad, sad testimony to the collective self-destruction of a nation that would actually allow the likes of Dick Bush to ruin us all. I’m convinced that you voted for him both times, and encouraged others to do the same. A great guy to have a beer with, eh?

As for your self-described “Obamkins” not being tolerant, I can speak only for one of his supporters, who is not an ‘Obamakin’ and that would be myself. I have a name, and I’m mostly independent of any group affiliations, aside from the human race. (that can be more subdivided if I had time to get into all of the sociological stuff, but that would be wasted on you) But it* is* correct to say that my ‘tolerance’ level is determined by utilitarian substance, so I have varying degrees of it.

I have extremely low tolerance for bullshit, because it serves a very limited purpose in my existence. It’s helpful for the garden, in growing food and other things that can be incorporated into the human survival efforts. It may also prove helpful in providing other sources of renewable energy, to power other things that are useful to the efforts of 21st Century human existence. I would therefore be highly tolerant of that usage as well.

I have zero tolerance for hyperbole, propaganda, and ignorance, specifically because it destabilizes the whole, upon which we all depend. On the other side of the scale, I bust the top in my tolerance of knowledge…all kinds.

Hyperbole and propaganda serve no useful purposes, and can in fact create much devastation because they distort reality. That’s what propaganda is used for. To DISTORT reality, and create chaos, which then terrorizes and destabilizes entire societies.  Either stupid people, or people with devious agendas, will create hyperbole and false associations (as you have here) and attempt to convince the ‘whole’ that this one person represents the entire mentality by which we much all survive. It ALSO serves to DISTRACT from the reality of issues that really DO mean the difference of life and death.

In other words, your claim is that John Edwards having an extra-marital affair directly affects the outcome of the 2008 presidential election, because he is a democrat. So, according to your non-logic, the fact that some old ladies are troubled by this infidelity of one person, (who happens to have had a political presence in the past) will kill the chances for Barack Obama to win the election.

This is totally stupid, and I have zero tolerance for it. In fact, I believe it to be morally criminal.
So, I’ll close with my favorite bit of wisdom from Emma Goldman,

~”Ignorance is the most violent element of society.”

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 9, 2008 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Maani, that’s the great thing about the lord.  In the true Christian tradition, every man got wired, regardless of religious persuasion, even if they had no preference and the lord didn’t say, “now only those who accept me, go out and be fruitful.”  No, he said, only, “be fruitful and multiply” and he also said, “suffer the little children to come unto me…”  He didn’t list eligibility requirements. 

What’s important here is not belief, but propagation.  Propagation transcends belief and, for that matter, in the case of the well-wired man, even politics.  We do know that a lot of men dash against the stone.  This is in direct defiance of the edict to be fruitful and the lord, I am told, doesn’t like that.  John, as any sensitive person can see, was, how do they say it, between a rock and a hard place.  His wife is sick, he was wired by the lord, he didn’t believe in dashing, and there was this girl.  So, what is he to do? 

Sometimes, there are some ways of thinking about this horrendous situation that even I can’t completely figure out.  We didn’t even get into coitus interruptus, the greatest dread of the well-wired man. 

When I get lost, I like to return to basics, and that’s where the lord comes in.   

Now, I didn’t mean to move this thread in an undesireable direction, but I don’t think we can be fair to all parties concerned unless there is this understanding of the basics.

BTW, where have you been?  This site is made even better by your input.  No kidding.  We can’t have people dropping in and out during these crucial times in the Bush administration.  We’ve got a new war coming up and an election.  You should stick around.  You’ve got a great brain and, even though you and Cyrena don’t always agree,  no one’s thinking can be considered complete without the nuances the two of you and so many others bring to this website.  There are a lot of quite smart people who contribute here.

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By Maani, August 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena:

Why do you have to insult me for no reason?  I most certainly did “get it,” but was just playing around with DKIA.  And I would bet he understood that.

But you…

You seem to have a deep-seeded need to insult and denigrate me at any opportunity, even when it is completely unnecessary.

You never change, do you?

Peace.

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By jackpine savage, August 9, 2008 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

I was going to comment on your return, Maani. (at least it seemed like a return as i’ve not been very diligent in following comment threads) Good to see you back.

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By cyrena, August 9, 2008 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 9 at 10:40 am #
Reply to Maani,

“It’s a difficult one, you see, but I’m going to try to help you through your dilemma: “

(And the final solution..)

” This is an awful thing to have to carry around with you 24/7, but were it any other way, the lord’s command to “be fruitful” would be negated.

So, everyone just has to do the best they can.
It has nothing to do with “power,” except maybe to understand and control the “power” of the lord’s command and pre-wire job.  As for keeping it in their pants, I might suggest flyless pants or some sort of electrified zipper handle that delivers a debilitating jolt when the man goes for his twinkie. 
Hope I’ve been able to help.
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Dr. Know it all, I LOVE it. Maani doesn’t get it, but I LOVE it!!

Explains everything… smile

Debilitated twinkies???? Too good.

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By tyler, August 9, 2008 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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wow hemi, quite the cold comment.  bitter coz you’ve never been loved?  a little unfair to her to say those things, and quite tasteless really.

that said, i agree with those who talk about this outward ‘prudishness’ in america.  its hilarious that the bulk of society can take in and watch all the trash thats on TV and other media outlets, then turn around and bring down swift judgement on people who step outside the ridiculous puritan standards we tend to hold public figures to. 

everybody is human, everybody errs, and 99% of the people who make it their business to call others out on their ‘mistakes’ only do it to displace their own guilt, ie. ted haggard, the catholic church, bill o’reilly, the list could be endless.

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By Maani, August 9, 2008 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

DKIA:

Thank you for your exegesis.  LOL.  However, I am curious about something.  You keep mentioning “the Lord” and His commandment to “be fruitful and multiply.”  But what about powerful men (or any men) who are atheists?  Or Muslim?  Or Zoroastrian?  That is, men who don’t believe in the Judeo-Christian concept of “Lord?”  LOL.

Jackpine:

Nice to see you again.  (‘Course, it’s probably me whose been missing recently…LOL)

Peace.

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By jackpine savage, August 9, 2008 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, this all just seems like the pointless hype of the 24 hour news cycle.  The man holds no public office, nor is he a candidate for public office.  None of us need to trust him or look up to him.

Here’s a clue: “They” love to watch us flail around in outrage.  Most of the time it is a matter of us watching the left hand and ignoring the right (no politics intended).

And i agree with whoever brought up the prudishness of Amerika.  It would be funny if it wasn’t so distressing and frightening.

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By Hemi*, August 9, 2008 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

MackTN,

as far as “Elizabeth standing up for him?” I don’t think it has anything to do with her “legacy”. She is a minor but surely tradgic character in today’s news. When and if she succumbs to her illness, she will simply be a sad footnote. We all wind up as sad footnotes at some time or other and then in due time forgotten. So I doubt she has delusions of grandeur and is thinking “legacy” outside of the minds of her own family.

I think standing by him at this time has everything to do with her prospects for dying without her spouse by her side. There’s little prospect for her starting over at this point. How do you cram a lifetime of shared experiences into a few months? You don’t, so you dance with who brung ya. Does he deserve to stand at that place? Only she can decide. Will he be a shit heel to her now? Likely not, everybody’s watching. That’s just a guess but I also guestimate that she is not thinking “legacy” in the political/historical sense.

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By mackTN, August 9, 2008 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

Don’t kiss this story off too soon.  The sex doesn’t bother me.  In fact, given his age and his traumas—the death of a kid, the illness of his wife—I find his need for carefree life understandable.  When you lose that joy you once had in life, well we all lean toward the sun.

What does bother me is what ultimately may bring him down and that’s the use of campaign funds to finance good times.  This woman and her apparent lover? were put on the payroll, elevated to high positions despite a lack of any political experience.  Having worked as a volunteer myself, I know how hard it is to transition into a paying position. 

Then these 2 people who really don’t seem to have a relationship with each other draw the compassion of Edwards’ close friend who decides to give them a lot of money—every month—and install them in multimillion dollar homes—separately.  This close friend never tells John that he’s feeling that sorry for these people. 

I watched that nightline interview and John looked like he was lying and evasive.  He looked more like he was able to say I don’t know anything because it had been set up so he could say that. 
Sure, I’ll take a paternity test but I don’t know if the mother will agree to that!  (Well why should she?  She’s already being paid more than she could get from a court!)

Elizabeth standing up for him?  I’m not surprised.  Her legacy is much intertwined with his, as Hillary’s with Bill’s.  If Hillary had divorced Bill, she wouldn’t have become senator, certainly not presidential candidate.  Too much to lose.

John would totally fess up were it not for criminal charges for the misuse of campaign funds, a certainty if he does confess too much.  By denying paternity and distancing himself from payments, he removes the motive for that charge. 

This was “the people’s campaign,” poverty was the focus.  All those hard earned dimes and nickels poor people sent his way, much to find their way into the pockets of the good time girl?

That’s the dissapointing part of the story—not the sex but the disregard and disrepect for the poor people who funded their cause through him.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 9, 2008 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Reply to Maani, 

It’s a difficult one, you see, but I’m going to try to help you through your dilemma:

Many years ago the lord pre-wired men and said “be fruitful and multiply.” Men take this literally.  They want to comply.  In fact, they believe it’s their moral duty to comply with the lord’s wishes.  I think any god-fearing person could understand that.  Were it left to women, there’d be no fruitful. 

So John, a very religious person, could not help himself.  His twinkie said, “be fruitful” and, though his brain may have said or thought, “Careful, John,” the twinkie won out. 

What women fail to understand is that men, pre-wired, get mixed messages which might be attributed to wiring flaws and which many are ill-equipped to handle.  Basically the messages go like this, “Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, oh shit, well, alright, damnit. 

This is an awful thing to have to carry around with you 24/7, but were it any other way, the lord’s command to “be fruitful” would be negated.

So, everyone just has to do the best they can.

It has nothing to do with “power,” except maybe to understand and control the “power” of the lord’s command and pre-wire job.  As for keeping it in their pants, I might suggest flyless pants or some sort of electrified zipper handle that delivers a debilitating jolt when the man goes for his twinkie. 

Hope I’ve been able to help.

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By David, August 9, 2008 at 11:17 am Link to this comment
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The corporate news is just spin, a more and more futile effort to influence public opinion by greedy elites.

A blip in the “news,” that’s all this latest revelation about Edwards amounts to. Come on people now, the sooner we abandon the old structures, the better. “Leaders” are not going to save us; that job is up to us as individuals. 

It’s encouraging to see things like the latest M.I.T. researcher’s discovery of an alternative energy source that could help people more fully become independent of large corporate structures, like power companies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/31/energyefficiency.energy


Edwards would not have saved us, and Obama won’t either, even if he gets elected, which I doubt. Let the old structures collapse.

Don’t be afraid of old structures toppling. We will solve our problems as individuals, and as communities.

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By cann4ing, August 9, 2008 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

By heavyrunner, August 9 at 7:56 am #

“Why are we talking about this when last week it was openly stated by the U.S. Government that the anthrax attacks came from a U.S. Government agency?  They were postmarked 9/11/2001!”

Why, indeed!

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By Hemi*, August 9, 2008 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Here’s a choice quote from the Edwards campaign site:

“What parts of American life do you think would most outrage Jesus?

Our selfishness. Our resort to war when it’s not necessary. I think that Jesus would be disappointed in our ignoring the plight of those around us who are suffering and our focus on our own selfish short-term needs. I think he would be appalled, actually.”

Alas poor fair-haired John, “Hoist by your own petard!” “Our ignoring the plight of those around us who are suffering and our focus on our own selfish short-term needs.” What is a more selfish and short-term need than sexual gratification? Elizabeth is experiencing a little “plight”, wouldn’t you say? There is nothing more sacred than loyalty to your spouse. Move over Newt Gingrich, Bill Clinton and JFK, we’ve got a new champion!

No, “Ann Coulter can’t claim he’s a “fag” any more.” That skank can claim he’s a spineless horn dog. That’s a f*cking shame for the rest of us. Was it worth the moments of pleasure John?

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By Maani, August 9, 2008 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

While I agree with all and sundry that, compared to the Russian/Georgian war (2,000 killed in airstrikes already!), Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and the continued rape of the American people by its coronated president (among many other things), this news ranks pretty low on the “who cares” scale, it does bring to mind a question that I have never heard asked:

Why is it that powerful men (or men in power) cannot seem to keep it in their pants, while powerful women (or women in power) don’t seem to have a problem keeping their pants on?  (Or are we just not hearing about the latter’s affairs?)

Ultimately, while I find Edwards’ behavior repugnant, and he has definitely gone down a peg in my book, he was an comparatively effective politician and advocate for the “little guy,” and he can, and undoubtedly will, still do good and important things vis-a-vis poverty and social activism.

Peace.

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By heavyrunner, August 9, 2008 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

This is Edward’s PRIVATE life.  It is none of your business.

Also, why are we talking about this when last week it was openly stated by the U.S. Government that the anthrax attacks came from a U.S. Government agency?  They were postmarked 9/11/2001! 

Is that not a smoking gun that 9/11 had to be a coordinated inside job?  I mean, whoever sent the anthrax on 9/11 had to have done his preparation in advance, I don’t think you could just see the planes hit the buildings, jump in your car, drive to New Jersey and start mailing anthrax in time to get the 9/11 postmark without advance planning.

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By Louise, August 9, 2008 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Just re-read! Golly whiz! You guys are all comedians!
And pretty darn good ones too! smile

Ed Harges, 

“Look on the bright side: at least Ann Coulter can’t claim he’s a “fag” any more.”

Blackspeare, 

“At the very least we know that Edwards is for on-shore drilling!”

Lefty,
 
“So, it looks like John Edwards and one of his campaign aids were nailing the movie maker at the same time? Kinky!!!”

jeremiah,

“I don’t care who the politicians shtoop in private, I’m mad because they’re shtooping me in PUBLIC!!!”

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By Louise, August 9, 2008 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

“Thank you for pointing this out CJ. I actually hear from people who are still trying to convince me that this ‘suffering’ is some sort of a noble and blessed experience. I’m always tempted to beat the shit out of them so they can have an opportunity to re-evaluate that notion.”

Oh thank you cyrena!

“Whew! Glad we finally found the real problem with the political system today. Man oh Man is this ever as bad as it gets no wonder our country is headed to bankruptcy hell. Well, I hope w still has enough time to fix this major major problem, as a matter of fact this should be the type incident where we need w & dick to play the dictator card and null the November elections and remain in power. I have never in my life seen such horrible actions unless it was bill clinton getting that blow job. Only the republicans will be able to keep this from bringing down our country and retain the high moral standards we live by, bless them.”

And thank you samosamo!

Laugh out loud bits of insight! smile What a wonderful way to start the day!

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By Ed Harges, August 9, 2008 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

Look on the bright side: at least Ann Coulter can’t claim he’s a “fag” any more.

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By cann4ing, August 9, 2008 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Lefty correctly point to the disproportionate coverage as between Edwards dalliance and the actions of their media darling, John McCain, whose first trophy wife, a one time beauty queen who had became damaged goods when she was horribly disfigured in an auto accident while McCain was acquiring his “hero” status by his stay in the Hanoi Hilton (Vietnam’s Gitmo) only to dump her upon his return so that he could take up with Cindy, the blond heiress to a beer fortune, whom he now offers up for a biker-babe beauty contest.

(McCain’s real attitude toward women is reflected in the zero rating he received from NARAL.  He has not only consistently opposed a woman’s right to choose, but actually voted against a measure that would require health care insurers to pay for prescription birth control.  When asked on the double-think express by a reporter why he would favor requiring insurers to pay for prescription Viagra but not birth control, he started stumbling over his own tongue, mumbling that he would have to go back and review his vote). 

spencer racing points to the same media duplicity when you compare current coverage of Edwards vs. the near universal corporate media condemnation directed at the NY Times when it revealed concerns expressed by several of McCain’s campaign staffers about his possible affair with Vicki Iseman.

But the critical thrust of the NY Times article wasn’t about sex but the hypocrisy in McCain’s claiming to be the scourge of the special interests while he was accepting things like free air travel from media moguls, including Lowell Paxson, a client of Iseman’s lobbying firm and then inappropriately communicating ex parte with FCC commissioners on Paxson’s behalf—a frank repetition of the very thing that McCain which led to a Senate Ethics Committee rebuke of McCain during the Keating Five scandal.

Outside of Keith Olbermann, there are but a scant few in the corporate media reporting on the corrupt level of the presumptive Republican nominee’s corporate ties, such as the massive oil industry funds that flowed into the McCain campaign at the same time as he was exercising his ability to rapidly flip-flop on off shore oil drilling.

I, for one, don’t give a bleep about a politician’s personal affairs.  I do care about the corrupting influence of influence peddling in Washington and the corrosive effect this is having on our democracy.

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By Blackspeare, August 9, 2008 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

All joking aside, there’s another underlying story here and that’s the failure of birth control.  Was Rielle taking the pill or did the men use condoms or did she conspire to get pregnant.  And I won’t even mention a menage-a-trois——-oops!

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By Blackspeare, August 9, 2008 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

At the very least we know that Edwards is for on-shore drilling!

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By Jim Yell, August 9, 2008 at 6:35 am Link to this comment
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What a bunch of fools and I don’t mean Edwards. And, as some one else has already said what about McCain’s affair and McCain is a candidate. More phony posturing from general public and the Republicans.

If we really valued marital fidelity as a group Truman and Carter would be the most beloved Presidents on both sides of the divide, but in fact the hatefulness from the Right against these two Presidents remains vitrolic.

Edwards is not the candidate. His wife knew of the affair. It isn’t anyones business and it surely pales in view of a Republican President that is a serial killer, a liar of epic proportions and has violated the laws he swore to uphold. And, McCain it turns out his not so brilliant career was the product of a wealthy and promoninent family, sort of like Bush. Two men who have no idea of what it is like to earn a living, just take take take.

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By thebeerdoctor, August 9, 2008 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

“I think every single candidate for president, Republican and Democratic have lives, personal lives, that indicate something about what kind of human being they are. And I think it is a fair evaluation for America to engage in, to look at, what kind of human beings each of us are, and what kind of president we’d make.”
JOHN EDWARDS, March 27, 2007

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 9, 2008 at 5:59 am Link to this comment
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@ By Louise, August 8 at 6:49 pm #

Oh yawn ...

Louise, you smooth talking daughter of a gun; keep it coming!

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 9, 2008 at 5:48 am Link to this comment
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Cyrena,
Your raking Beerdoctor over the coals is right on.  You have never been so right on!  Good on ya!

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By thebeerdoctor, August 9, 2008 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

John Edwards has been neutralized politically speaking. Until only a few months ago he was a presidential candidate was he not? Emotional screaming about people who find his behavior repellent does not change the fact that they are voters. Calling names of voters who do not think like you, dismissing them is a sure fire way to dismiss this election.
It is amazing how intolerant the Obamakins can be. If they lose this election, it will be due to their own stupidity.
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/94334/

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By spencer racing, August 9, 2008 at 5:11 am Link to this comment

What about McCain’s with Vicki Iseman, the lobbyist? Why are we not talking about that? They have a very good article on Alternet about the hypocrisy of going after Edwards like this, who is not the nominee, in case no one noticed - you know, like McCain IS the Republican nominee? Is Truthdig part of Rove’s network now? Why are they doing his ax-work like this? McCain’s behavior, people, that is what is missing in the press - comments on his affairs and his lying about them. Did this blog get taken over by dittohead fifth columnists or something?

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 9, 2008 at 5:09 am Link to this comment
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I see Victorian hypocrisy still rules the U.S.  The civilized in Europe just laugh at our twisted values.  When, oh when, will we grow up?

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By cyrena, August 9, 2008 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

Of Spitzer and Edwards, thebeerdoctor writes:

•  “…both men were capable of working to fight injustice, now neutralized by their own indiscretions.”

More drama. How do you figure John Edwards is ‘neutralized’ beerdoc? He isn’t running for any political office, and he’s made it clear that he isn’t interested in the VP position. He’s a successful attorney who has represented many people against the exploitive abuses of the corptocracy. Why do you think this will somehow prevent him from continuing to do exactly that?

No, the real problem lies here, in this dysfunctional mentality that is killing us all…

•  “…many women who have said that they are deeply offended that such infidelity occurred while his spouse is battling cancer. An emotional outrage yes, but a genuine outrage nevertheless”….” Offending women, especially older married women, is the last thing the democrats need. These voters are essential in the November election…”

First of all beerdoc, there is only ONE woman in the country here,  of ANY age or marital status, who has a right to be ‘offended’ or otherwise ‘outraged’ by ‘such infidelity’ and that would be Elizabeth Edwards, whether she is battling cancer or not. And, we don’t even know if SHE’S ‘offended’. In other words, it’s NOBODY ELSE’S FUCKING BUSINESS!!! Got that?

If many women, especially older married women, are deeply offended by this, then they have bigger problems than Elizabeth Edwards does. (it means they are neurotic old biddies) Why should THEY be ‘offended’ by what SOMEBODY ELSE’S husband does? Maybe they should just pay attention to their OWN, and they wouldn’t have to be offended. Then again, that might be the problem, eh?

So, let me just remind you of what John Edwards said at the very first debates, back so very long ago..(or at least it sure seems like it)..

In response to all of the psychologically impaired people who might not be inclined to vote for Hillary, because she is a woman, or for Barack, because he is black, Edwards said this…(though I paraphrase)

“Anyone supporting me because they won’t vote for Hillary because she’s a woman, or won’t vote for Obama because he’s black, I DON’T WANT your vote!”

So, I’m gonna take that a little bit farther, and hopefully even you will get a clue to how ridiculous you sound.

Anybody who decides that they won’t vote for BARACK OBAMA, because JOHN EDWARDS had an extra-marital affair, is NOT the mentality of support that he needs. Votes like that are more trouble than their worth. Maybe Obama would do well enough to just promise all of them chastity belts for their husbands, or at least a tax rebate on them.

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By Bryant, August 9, 2008 at 4:49 am Link to this comment
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Edwards is out of the race, in case no one here has noticed. This story is the height of hypocrisy on the part of the press, because they should be looking into McCain’s affair with that lobbyist instead of fishing around for reasons to worry about this thing.

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By thebeerdoctor, August 9, 2008 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

The John Edwards matter reminds me of the Eliot Spitzer incident; both men were capable of working to fight injustice, now neutralized by their own indiscretions.
Some people have said that this tabloid news item does not matter. This is not the case for the many women who have said that they are deeply offended that such infidelity occurred while his spouse is battling cancer. An emotional outrage yes, but a genuine outrage nevertheless.
This matter does nothing to further a unified Democratic party. Some might say this is a form of PUMA’s Revenge. Offending women, especially older married women, is the last thing the democrats need. These voters are essential in the November election.

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By samosamo, August 8 at 3:28 pm #

cyrena,
I love you to death. I did not think anyone had an idea about what in the world was being done to us, and you seem to always come through. My brother came to see me tonight and as strong as a bonding that can be held is the time we spend looking up at the milky way stars(the best night for viewing of late) hoping for the persied metor shower to expose its grandur and talking. You can not ever get closer to each other than this.
It is too bad that others take extreme offense to peole having a measure of enjoyment with others.
Keep the pressure on.

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By Told Ya So, August 8, 2008 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment
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This is absolutely fantastic news… love every minute of it.

I posted on TD for 1 year+ and quit many months ago because I became disgusted at the idiocy, hypocrisy and general ‘I hate America’ theme which is so prevalent around here.

I got into a tussle with Louise when I brought up multiple examples of Edwards duplicity and lies during the demo primary, upon which she scolded me and termed me a thug conservative and other nasty names, all my facts be damned.

Now after months of blissful absence from LieDig, I had to come back just for this story, and hopefully just to see Louise posting a pitful defense of Mr. Slick Southern Drawl… and sure enough I was not disappointed.

The man has a history of lying and hypocrisy that’s easily verifiable, but hey… what are a few facts to stand between a blind zealot and her crusade, right?  Trashing someone for poor conduct only applies if they’re a repub, right?

So Louise, here’s your populist hero at his shining best.  Cheats on his cancer-ridden wife and gets his friend to lie for him.  What a fine specimen…

So wait for the drum roll… and here it is: I told ya so.  I absolutely positively slap-me-asleep told ya so.

This guy’s not fit to run a lemonade stand let alone this great country of ours.

Now I’ll leave LieDig for another several months and return at the next implosion of one of your vaunted heroes.

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By KYJurisDoctor, August 8, 2008 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

ANOTHER LYING PIECE OF TURD POLITICIAN! OsiSpeaks.com

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By Rusty Scalf, August 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment
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Why is this news, when W Bush going AWOL in time of war isn’t?

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By cyrena, August 8, 2008 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

By Louise, August 8 at 6:49 pm

•  “Meanwhile ten Russian peacekeepers in Georgia have been killed while Georgia screams the Russians are coming, and Bush puffs up [more than usual] in indignation over China’s history of torture, illegal imprisonment and disappearing’s, and another suicided for God and country, is quietly zipped up.”
Louise, thanks (as usual) for the excellent reality check. Man oh man. But then, that seems to be the problem eh? What’s the likihood that humans will ever find a way to resolve their often perceived grievances without killing off the perceived perpetrators of them? I’m having difficulty envisioning it.


By CJ, August 8 at 6:46

•  “Same is home to absurd notion that suffering is a good thing. Suffering is an inevitable thing, not a “good” thing. As anyone who’s actually had occasion to suffer viewing someone suffering OUGHT to know. Well, assuming that worldview involves a tad more than adherence to convenient idiocy in the form of social Darwinism.”

Thank you for pointing this out CJ. I actually hear from people who are still trying to convince me that this ‘suffering’ is some sort of a noble and blessed experience. I’m always tempted to beat the shit out of them so they can have an opportunity to re-evaluate that notion.


•  That $400 haircut, on the other hand? When you’re advocating on behalf of labor sunk in poverty? THAT was something Edwards could easily have decided not to do, while giving $370 to someone in need, and while getting just as good a haircut, since not his hair and not no trimmer of hair is worth that kinda dough.”

Think of it this way CJ, (even though I agree with you) maybe that particular ‘trimmer of hair’ was in reality, part of the labor sunk in poverty? I mean, suppose the trimmer was flat broke, with a half a dozen kids to feed, and the rent was due? The $400 smackeroos might have covered a week’s worth of the rent, IF it was a studio apartment, and two weeks at a shelter.

Still, I get your point. I’ve just come from the market, and nearly fainted when I saw that the standard 2 pound bag of rice that I last paid $3.49 for is now $7.68. This is insane of course. Same thing happened throughout the rest of my journey down the aisles of the newly renovated Albertson’s. By the time I finally got out of there, I felt like I’d been subjected to multiple shock treatments.

Meantime, I’m with you here too..

•  “Sex drive is something I get, not greed and not egotistical vanity, however disguised.”

I don’t get the greed or the egotistical vanity. I did just get me a really cool haircut though. $30 bucks! I’m tickled pink about it, and congratulating myself on my prudence in having it accomplished in such a way as to avoid my needing to spend money on that particular effort for at least 3 months, and I can actually push it to 4. The trimmer was pleased as well. It took her all of 30 minutes, and that included some chit chatting during the process. What a deal. Everybody’s happy, and I look even more gorgeous than usual. smile

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By Allan Krueger, August 8, 2008 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Edwards… what next?

An over the hill, flip flopping war monger is still in the race because his opponent does not have white skin. An inept, lying, oil profiteering, war criminal clings to his lame duck presidency when he should be in front of a tribunal answering charges of treason - along with the rest of his gang…

My god, I think I will move to Detroit - they have the market cornered on stupidity, corruption and greed in their politicians! Might as well go where it is all out in the open!

Where is Richard (I am not a crook) Nixon, when we need him? Please, wake me when this is over!

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By Louise, August 8, 2008 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

Oh yawn ...

Meanwhile ten Russian peacekeepers in Georgia have been killed while Georgia screams the Russians are coming, and Bush puffs up [more than usual] in indignation over China’s history of torture, illegal imprisonment and disappearing’s, and another suicided for God and country, is quietly zipped up.

And secret US forces are moving into Iran. And Afghanistan is the new place to be if you want to get killed in action, and Iraqi’s are wondering where all that money is? [and so am I]

And one of the nuclear war-heads is still missing, and rumor has it Cheney’s not going to attend the repub convention, ‘cause he’s afraid of a terrorist attack [and that IS cause for alarm] Update, he will, wrong convention. And McCain just remembered how to use a pressure valve ... or was it a mike? He cant remember. And Clinton is playing Obama’s circuit and planing her ‘after convention’ victory party.

And we have more people in prison than China [not based on percentage of population ... just MORE] and the Dalai Lama wants to know how come so many monks want to muck up the Olympics anyway.

And gas just dropped a few pennies and everyone seems to think that’s a really big deal. And the “dead for a lie” just keep on being dead. And floods and famine and pestilence abound, as do wars and rumors of war, and Gods and speakers for God and God’s.

And ... oh yeh, China’s crack “truth squad” has requested Bush train them on how to torture, illegally imprison and/or disappear someone, legally. And China, not wanting to fall out of favor with US mainstreammedia is being “branded” for corporate America.

And finally, someone just sighted the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ [a two-fer] in a fresh taco salad.

Reports are coming in that a riot has broken out as word spreads the man who ordered the salad, ate it.

We are all doomed.

Now about Edwards.
Edwards who?

Oh, that Edwards. Darn. I always suspected he was a closet conservative. [must of been that southern drawl] The man’s lucky to be married to an angel.

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By CJ, August 8, 2008 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

America is home to the most peculiar “values,” almost none of which apply in the case of actual human beings. Which is the upshot of collective self-deception.

Media, from Kitty Pilgrim (apt enough name), standing in for Dobbs, to Keith Olbermann, standing in for…Keith Olbermann—the most well-rested of all TV personalities, though Lou is giving Keith a run for his money in that regard—has got its collective panties in a hellacious wedgy over this latest breaking news.

NOW you’ve done it, senator. You’ve offended phony media, from the mouth of which peculiar “values” are espoused—near as media can make them out, which is not an easy task. Rendered even more difficult (also by so-called “ethicists”) when big media has no ethical standards of any kind. Unless gauging ratings and meeting Wall Street’s revenues expectations are regarded as measures of value? Certainly to shareholders—interest-wise.

Then shock when anyone does the nasty. Pilgrim had on the always-wise Ed Rollins to ladle out instruction in these matters. Just in case any American has forgotten that suffering really is “good for the soul.” Very quaint of Ed in the case of a society that is forever proclaiming there’s absolutely nothing wrong with making profits. The crap Rollins ladles out is a reflection of capitalist ideology at its most insidious.

I was a whole, whole lot more bent out of shape when John Edwards—self-proclaimed advocate on behalf of the poverty-stricken—thought to spend 400 smackeroos on his hair. Not to mention construction of a 22,000-square-foot home, presumably for some vast amount of money. For the wife and kids too. Suppose all six and one-half billion people resided in 22,000-square-foot homes atop acreage?

Ethics would also be about setting an example of some kind. It’s possible to live well without occupying the planet.

I suppose he shouldn’t have done the nasty, but then again…there’s a reason there are more divorces in red states than in blue states. What media can never do is bring itself to admit to facts of human life, whether that means the fact that profits really are a disguised form of theft—from labor of its labor—to something termed, “desire,” very often of the sexual-physical kind. In Edward’s case, very likely during a difficult time when his wife could not be there for him. He’s also a human being, same as the rest of us—of both genders and of all colors.

Marriage vows are in reality unsustainable, however fine-sounding. Goal is okay only so long as tolerance for failing to live up is also present. (Olbermann did not come over as judgmental, to his credit. The Pilgrim passed judgment, not least in asking guests whether or not Edwards is guilty of drawing attention away from “issues.” DUH, Kitty! On so many levels.) Vows are otherwise inhuman, born of Western religion, which asks the impossible of human beings. Same is home to absurd notion that suffering is a good thing. Suffering is an inevitable thing, not a “good” thing. As anyone who’s actually had occasion to suffer viewing someone suffering OUGHT to know. Well, assuming that worldview involves a tad more than adherence to convenient idiocy in the form of social Darwinism.

Any man and woman not so susceptible to ideology can relate to what Edwards did, I should think. Yes, he did lie about it, though it’s not as though media is in any position to carry on about what it does daily—directly and indirectly, the latter usually by omission.

That $400 haircut, on the other hand? When you’re advocating on behalf of labor sunk in poverty? THAT was something Edwards could easily have decided not to do, while giving $370 to someone in need, and while getting just as good a haircut, since not his hair and not no trimmer of hair is worth that kinda dough.

Sex drive is something I get, not greed and not egotistical vanity, however disguised.

On to Olympics, which is also not political.

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By John, August 8, 2008 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment
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If the affair happened so long ago and his wife forgave him then why was he back in that hotel with her last month?  Either he was betraying his wife again or the child really is his.

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By troublesum, August 8, 2008 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

As long as the potus keeps it in his pants, he can lay waste to the whole world without moral issues being raised.  It was ok for the Clinton admnistration to slaughter children in Iraq but then along came Monica.

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By troublesum, August 8, 2008 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

In America morality pertains only to sexual behavior.
Americans would not see the carnage perpetrated in the nation of Iraq under false pretences as a moral issue.  This is why Bush continues to get high grades for “moral values” in most polls in spite of having an approval rating somewhere in the low 20’s.

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By cann4ing, August 8, 2008 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

Does anyone think this is even newsworthy?  What Edwards did was engage in a consensual, extra-marital affair.  What Bush & Cheney have done amounts to the date rape of a nation.

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By madelyn, August 8, 2008 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment
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After reading Elizabeth’s book and account of her beloved son’s death, I have nothing but infinite sympathy for her. I had to lay the book aside at times as her sorrow went on and on for many pages.I know what John did was wrong and hurtful to her and his children. His anguish must be great. But I think we humans don’t understand ourselves yet - have ages to go perhaps - a spouse has needs. When unbearable sorrow descends upon two beings who created great love and joy in their firstborn - and that child is taken away as was theirs - how find relief or comfort? Women seem to be able to find this to some extent, but men are not allowed feelings like sadness, depression, hopelessness. They have no where to go with their pain but must remain “strong, upright, going forward, etc.” Compassion is the task we humans must strive for all our lives

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By tar n feathers, August 8, 2008 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment
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Look at the overall condition of our country.  Sum it up in a single word if you can.  We read, digest and ingest fear, corruption, lies and deceit each day.

This guy is yet another choice that we had as a leader, and could have also been in contention as a “second” in his party.  He might have been “one breath away” from the top. 

Certainly that would be no reason to be honest and forthright about his life with us, his public.

Now his family wishes “privacy.”  How about opening up to your public and letting us know what else may have been omitted when your partial and selective memory surfaced.

One lie?  Slim chance.  Next stop for John should be the local “temp agency” hoping they can find a suitable position for someone with no business skills, no reason, and no conscience.

He’d still get a job.  Welcome to America, and prepare for the next astounding truth to become public.

Tar-N-Feathers

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By samosamo, August 8 at 3:28 pm #
•  “..Whew! Glad we finally found the real problem with the political system today. Man oh Man is this ever as bad as it gets no wonder our country is headed to bankruptcy hell.”… “I have never in my life seen such horrible actions unless it was bill clinton getting that blow job. Only the republicans will be able to keep this from bringing down our country and retain the high moral standards we live by, bless them…”
Samosamo..

I laughed out loud. My sentiments…EXACTLY! smile

Is this the end of the planet or what? How come it’s such a nice and pleasant sunny day here in my corner of the world, (so that the homeless don’t have to be subjected to inclement weather – at least for the moment). Seems like news such as this should have the sky falling into the ocean. Oh wait, I think that’s the standard anyway.

Jesus H. Christ, and Mohammed too! Just what in the hell is up with the US mentality that would find this in anyway worth comment, other than to wonder why women in their mid-40’s continue to bear children here in this 21st Century of over population and rapidly declining resources to take care of any of us?

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By Maxxie, August 8, 2008 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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yet another unimportant thing for the media to use to distract voters from discussing the real issues in this election.

Let’s see, here we have Edwards cheating on his sick wife and there we have the impending Bush war with Iran.  The war doesn’t matter; where John put his twinkie does.

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By samosamo, August 8, 2008 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

Whew! Glad we finally found the real problem with the political system today. Man oh Man is this ever as bad as it gets no wonder our country is headed to bankruptcy hell. Well, I hope w still has enough time to fix this major major problem, as a matter of fact this should be the type incident where we need w & dick to play the dictator card and null the november elections and remain in power. I have never in my life seen such horrible actions unless it was bill clinton getting that blow job. Only the republicans will be able to keep this from bringing down our country and retain the high moral standards we live by, bless them.

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By jeremiah, August 8, 2008 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with rowman. Politicians all seem vulnerable to the same scandals year after year. But for me, I don’t care who the politicians shtoop in private, I’m mad because they’re shtooping me in PUBLIC!!! Good luck everyone

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By Ryan Caruth, August 8, 2008 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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I think it is time for Mr Edwards to well. **** off

it is people like you that give american politicians bad names, we should not accept this type of behavior, you cannot be in the public eye and lie right to our faces.

You should be ashamed sir

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By rowman, August 8, 2008 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Ha! What a dirt bag. As is his wife being in remission somehow makes it “ok”.

Let’s see who will be the first to defend him for lying.

Just goes to show that there is no difference between the democrats and the republicans. Same scandals, same corruption, same everything. Some of you condemn one but fail to realize they are of the same unit. Throw both out of office!

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By mrmb, August 8, 2008 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment
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he can do a lot better than that!! Maybe a 22 year old hot porn star. If you gonna do it then do it right.

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By Maezeppa, August 8, 2008 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment
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I still think John Edwards was a fine candidate.  I am so sorry the media goes after this type of story especially here because I think so highly of Elizabeth Edwards.

It looks like John Edwards seems to be hiding the fact that he is the father and hiding the fact that she was knowingly paid off through his surrogates.

Many spouses of seriously ill people do this.  Nobody ever talks about it, nobody ever will, but the isolation and stress and lonliness are overwhelming.

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