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Obama Throws Florida, Michigan a BonePosted on Aug 3, 2008
Now that he is assured of his party’s nomination, Barack Obama has asked the Democratic credentials committee to award full votes to delegates from Florida and Michigan. Those states held primaries in violation of party rules, and their disputed delegations became a major source of division between supporters of Hillary Clinton and of Obama.
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By Issywise, August 5 at 10:04 am #
There was nothing so certain as Obama, who worked for millions of voters’ disenfranchisement when they would have counted against his chances, would work to have the votes counted WHEN THEY NO LONGER MATTERED.
The voters of Florida and Michigan moved their primaries to matter for a change: In Florida, no primary vote has mattered since George Corley Wallace was last on the ballot. Those state’s citizens were told by the party committees that other states had to matter more (Iowa and New Hampshire), and bucked at the instructions, as well Americans should.
The DNC then said, “OK, if you insist on mattering, then you won’t count.” Now, all these months later, Obama says, “Now that you won’t matter again, you can count.” It closes the circle.
Who supports a candidate like that? Who’d belong to a party like that?
Report thisBy farenheit451, August 4 at 12:02 pm #
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Cyrenna… It seems you logic may be fairly in tact. Your reply is what will eventually happen in both Michigan and Florida and Michigan. I lived in Michigan almost all my life and typicaly it is a racist red state. Will that bone that is thrown be sucked up by those who for no other reason wil not vote for Mr. Obama? Those who wanted Mrs. Clinton? Or those who are so disgruntled they will now vote for McCain? Was Mr. Obama better off letting the sleeping dog lie, or again making a valiant effort to unite the party, reignite that process of inclusion. Once you get above Flint, they may not be too many who will support Mr. Obama, it gets pretty red up there. They left from down here as an act of escapism. As stated, will will know in November. I hope we’re both right. But it simply adds more friction to an already electrofied situation.
Report thisBy thebeerdoctor, August 4 at 9:53 am #
re: Sang Ze
I hope you are right about the people seeing through this. Although I am no supporter of Barack Obama, I take no comfort in the thought of Senator McCain obtaining office by means of character assassination.
Report thisBy Maani, August 4 at 9:08 am #
This is the kind of snarky thing that continues to make me angry re Obama.
He was deadset against this when he thought it might help Hillary. Yet now that it is “safe” to do so, he “throws the bone” (a good choice of words under the circumstances).
Yes, Cyrena, I plan to vote for him, but I will be holding my nose.
Peace.
Report thisBy cyrena, August 4 at 6:59 am #
By Double U, August 3 at 10:40 pm #
With a knick knack paddy whack?
What a stupid phuckin title for an article.
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Still, if the title is supposed to indicate anything at all about the article itself, it’s very stupid, and maybe intentionally so. (puts a condescending tone to it, when in fact the intent from Obama is the exact opposite). But then, that’s the way it’s been for 8 long years now. If anything drives me crazy, it’s the way they’ve f%&@ed-up the language, to make everything appear to mean the opposite of what it actually is.
Report thisBy Sang Ze, August 4 at 5:16 am #
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Any gesture Obama makes, any compromise, any reasoned shift or modification of position, will be treated as fodder for McCain’s negative campaign. No surprise about that. McCain, having nothing to offer the American people, will continue to swift-boat Obama at the slightest opportunity. He and his party have already demeaned the electoral process, and they aren’t going to stop. Fortunately, the people know what their outrageous tactics produce, and this time they aren’t going to buy into it.
Report thisBy thebeerdoctor, August 4 at 4:54 am #
Of Obama:
“his celebrity is matched only by his hypocrisy.”
Tucker Bounds, McCain spokesman.
This smart move will be used by the McCain campaign as part of impugning Senator Obama’s character.
Report thisBy Jaded Prole, August 4 at 3:31 am #
Awarding full votes to delegates from Florida and Michigan without those states having to make certifiable changes that assure a legitimate corruption free electoral system is foolish. Unless Obama has inside knowledge that he has been chosen the winner in advance, he is setting himself up for “defeat” Repug style.
Report thisBy Double U, August 3 at 10:40 pm #
With a “knick knack paddy whack”?
Report thisWhat a stupid phuckin’ title for an article.
By cyrena, August 3 at 8:12 pm #
By farenheit451, August 3 at 3:53
It would seem that you would realize in throwing Michigan and Florida a bone, he also threw that same bone to John McCain.
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Faarenheit451, I’m trying really, really, hard, but I don’t get the logic in this, AT ALL. I mean, I’ve turned it upside down and backwards, and there IS NO logic to it. How in the hell is John McCain going to benefit from the DEMOCRATIC delegates from these two states having their voted fully counted, (instead of half counted) at the DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION?
What am I missing here? Are you suggesting that these delegates will at some point support John McCain?
The only risk this has for Obama is that some of these delegates may continue to support Hillary Clinton. Now in that respect, it would be the same as a bone to McCain by default..at least in November. But then, those disgruntled supporters of Hillary have already indicated that they will vote for McCain instead of Obama, which shouldnt surprise anyone, since there has never been any substantial difference between Rodham and McCain anyway..virtually NONE in terms of foreign policy or domestic economic policy. Then there are the so-called democrats who are committed racists, who wont vote for him either. Those are the ONLY reasons that the current polls show the race to be as close as it is.
BUT, that has nothing to do with restoring full voting rights to all delegates. At the end of the day, the delegates still have to be counted based on the popular vote in those states. While I agree the electoral system is truly jacked-up, and we should long ago have switched to a system of direct vote, we havent. So, this isnt going to give McCain any greater edge than he would already have, based on the ultimate voting decisions of the committed racists, regardless of which party they claim to be in.
Report thisSo in reality, this was a damn good move on Obama’s part...AGAIN!!
By farenheit451, August 3 at 3:53 pm #
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It would seem that you would realize in “throwing Michigan and Florida a bone”, he also threw that same bone to John McCain. It would be just great if he lost teeth in attempting chew on it.
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