By cyrena, August 4 at 2:52 am

I stand corrected again, partly due to the wee wee hours this morning when I posted those comments, but yeah, I do remember now that is was an observational thing about the blacks in tuskegee and just about no doubt as to see how syphilis could be used as a biological weapon. That raises a whole heap of conjecture especially for the people in this country where it can make one wonder if this disease is not being attented to by the cdc as should be which I believe I posted the fact that in the town I am from not too long ago a bunch of billboards began to have ‘Syphilis Outbreak Warning’ which most likely was a legitimate warning for people to be aware and get checked out.
That this government and the military have come up with so many nefarious schemes, it is hard to sort them out but most necessary to look into for a truth. I for one for so long trusted our government as to give them a pass that now I am more apt to put the ‘onus’ on them to prove innocence.

Samosamo, I was going to respond to this part of an earlier post from you, but didn’t have time, at that particular moment. And, since then, you’ve had a chance to review all of the stuff from Kellina, so it’s actually better now, since it was a point connected to her response to you. On this:

•  “..But I still don’t put it past our current government to have an underhanded scheme ongoing just by the news(if it is true)of a 40% descrepency in the number of cases. Don’t forget the Tuskegee, Alabama syphilis infection tests done to the black people during the early 1900s.”

I *do* understand your reasonable paranoia, and as Kellina mentioned, it isn’t that this government isn’t truly nefarious. But in respect to a ‘conspiracy’ and the comparison to the Tuskegee Experiment, there is an important distinction, which is relates to what Kellina meant in saying that there was no such thing as an “AIDS virus” for the government to intentionally release.

In reality, the government didn’t “intentionally infect” those men in the Tuskegee Experiment either, though it certainly didn’t make what they *did* do, any less a despicable conspiracy of sorts. RATHER, the men contacted the age-old, centuries-old syphilis disease, (I guess you call it a disease) and of course instead of TREATING them for it, (which was easily accomplished at the time) they failed to tell them what was wrong with them, and instead used them to follow by way of experimentation, so they could watch and observe the progress of the untreated infection, and more IMPORTANTLY, wait until they were dead, to examine the internal effects of the disease. It was the most horrifically callous thing imaginable, for which there are no words to describe, and of course we know that they were used as guinea pigs in this fashion, because they were black. 

Be that as it may, this STILL was not a case of the government deliberately concocting a specific strain of something deadly, and then intentionally infecting a specific racial or other group of people with it.

Now I remember back in the original sort of information being put out back in the 80’s, when AIDS first became so ‘known’ to so much of the American population. At the time, high risk groups were designated as gays, intravenous drug users, hemophiliacs, and for some strange reason, it seems like I remember them including Albinos in the mix as well. (I have no idea why Albinos). But all of the others share some common characteristics based on an exchange of bodily fluids, specifically blood. Hemophiliacs would have a compromised immune system in terms of their blood, and while I’m not a medical person by any stretch, I do carry the sickle cell anemia TRAIT, which leaves me prone to anemia from blood loss quicker than it would someone without it. I learned that in a couple of scary experiences.

In the decades since then, we’ve come to know more, and realize now that ANYONE with a compromised immune system, is far more likely to develop AIDS from the HIV virus, than those who might have the virus, but otherwise have more overall health. 

So, stay away from the hard drugs, avoid needles that have been used by anyone else, (that should be easy enough, even flu shots are disposal one-time operations) eat right, and keep your immune system in good order. As long as you don’t have any vampire tendencies, you should be fine. (advice from a NON-MD )

kellina,

Another of my faults, not going through all replies or comments to change my position, which is the reason the economist John Maynard Keynes gave to someone who asked him why he had changed is mind on a certain position, Keynes: When I get new information I change my position, what sir do you do?’
I looked through your links and found a whole world of info that is quite contrary to the ‘popular’ notion of the aids issue as I understood it. Looks more to be a health and nutrition issue with a mix of common but deadly diseases. And I think from my first post that you replied to I will still have to stand by the conspiracy line even though the whole aids/hiv thing isn’t what the government makes it to be and that I think you are correct in it is not the consiracy I orginally thought, as a matter of fact the correction makes it more irreprehensible of the government.

By kellina, August 3 at 6:52 am #

I just scrolled down to your link to the cartoons and yeah, each one is worth at least a 1000 words that would probably never give it justice.

By Kellina, August 3 at 5:16 pm #

Thanks, as much as I want to comment with emotion and usually do too much, it is good to realize the ‘why’ of all the changes I have to make to some of my comments before I deem it ready to ‘submit’ and even then find out I should have just kept quiet. But that is not a real option at all.

Samosamo writes:

“.. I have to admit to an ignorance of HIV & AIDS and as others on this site know I appreciate upgrading my ignorance so I can either discuss in an intelligent manner or keep my mouth shut…”

And…THIS is why we love you! (or at least I do).

But then, that’s ‘cause I’m of the same mindset. When I don’t know stuff, I like to ask questions and/or research it to find out..IF it’s a particular topic of interest to me, or one of many components in the whole that we have to deal with.

There is of course an INFINITE amount of knowledge out there, and not even the most brilliant among us can ever be expected to know more than the tiniest fraction. Still, there are always going to be, (I hope) people who are indeed more knowledgeable than others on certain issues and experts in all of the fields. What we can gain from their concentrated knowledge AND experience, is invaluable.

Now that doesn’t mean that we can expect to ‘upgrade’ to that *expert* level on every single topic in the world, (or I can’t, and don’t want to) but moderate upgrades by way of shared information are much appreciated, eh?

So I’m like Samosamo, and I’m thanking Kellina, since I’ve so far learned more than I previously knew in reference to HIV/AIDS in just these few posts.

Again, what this report states as new news, I knew through intuitive illumination and common sense.

Let me explain a little! Governments, especially our governments of late, are in the business of misinformation and misleading propaganda, all of which helps them to control and manipulate the unscrupulous masses.

Based on this general principle, any piece of statistics that comes from the governments and/or big corporations is only half truths at best! For example, Exxon-Mobil lately reported an 11 billion quarterly profit; if you multiply this figure by 2 then you might get closer to the real figure!

I am Outraged when I hear the Praises of Ronny- when on so many issues Reagans’ admin was the beginning of the End - Of national Security, Our Unions, Our healthcare syetem, Banking and Financing ethics….And GRID/Aids/HIV. Reagan and his admin IGNORED the Epidemic while it grew in the Gay Community, continued to IGNORE it when it hit the Black Community, But finally gave it a sideward glance when Paul Michael Glasses wife (white)& 8yr old (?) Alan White( White) contracted it and the national Blood supply.
What is worse Creating Frankenstein or Releasing him on the ‘Village’???
So now with the Confirmation that the Anthrax ‘Attacks’ origniated in our Own Military Base…Why is it so far fetched to think AIDS was not also- When did that enter the Military Bases Storage Units..How long before We began to see cases, was this Stored at some Domestic facility? so was Rev Wright Wrong to consider the possiblity that AIDS was a previously possessed Biological weapon before the First Outbreak? The answer as to HOW Patient X was exposed still has not been adequately determined.
At the very least, Those who were above Ivnes are guilty of Reckless endangerment of All the Citizens of this country- Murder 2?keeping this ‘unstable ’ employee was bad enough, but to continue to give him access to deadly agents Too? Then how exactly did the chain of control (storage logs & inventory control) Fail to catch this ‘shortage’, is there not a ‘sign out ’ documentation sheet?Who knew what he was working with- what was his reason for having this in the lab? What kind of containment do they have so such ‘accidents’ don’t happen?
This Base and all those who are knowledge of the ‘lack’ of safety controls on this type of Weapon- should be held Personally responsible for the deaths and the illness (Murder & Attempted Murder) caused by their lack of ability to handle & control such Agents
I am not interested in Congress having hearings on Protocol- the scientific community already has guidleline- so no smoke and Mirrors charade. the case against those who are in the position to provide oversight or commands have proven their liablous actions and inactions, if not some Complicity indicated by their action & Inactions.
Thus if it is found that the AIDS virus was in the possession of the US gov’t/military prior to the firstknow case- would it not be possible to conclude that due to Reagans Admins/Military Actions and Inactions they too were suspect in ‘Frankenstein ’ being released- intentinal or Unintentionally??

By Kellina, August 2 at 3:55 pm #

You’re back for now!
I have to admit to an ignorance of HIV & AIDS and as others on this site know I appreciate upgrading my ignorance so I can either discuss in an intelligent manner or keep my mouth shut. I just know that AIDS, which I thought was in direct correlation to HIV, has killed a lot of people and the shameful way that the reagan admin handled it until the people demanded attention to it still allowed a lot of people to die. Another part of it was that it was supposedly being passed through sex and not just between gays but heterosexuals. That is scary to me. But I still don’t put it past our current government to have an underhanded scheme ongoing just by the news(if it is true)of a 40% descrepency in the number of cases. Don’t forget the Tuskegee, Alabama syphilis infection tests done to the black people during the early 1900s.
I mean if someone came here from Africa infected with multi-resistant TB there would be some serious attention going into that, the cdc would be all over it. So a proper question would probably be why have the infection rates drastically changed and no program of sorts to be testing in the field? Could it be that HIV or AIDS, and being a long term developing disease and people not realizing they are infected, that the rate of detection is hampered?
Here in my state,town a year or so ago, billboards were put up to alert people to a syphilis outbreak.
This does not add up for me and maybe I ought to not speak out until I learn all the why fors and why nots.
And by the way, are you working in the health field?

Kath and Kellina,

Thanks so very much for this input and information on HIV/AIDS.

Intentionally or otherwise, this is something very difficult for the average layperson to be up to speed on. (Intentional sounds really possible, as noted by Kellina in the standard procedure to rush through expensive drugs that not only don’t work, but actually worsen the condition).

Thanks again.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but, this doesn’t imply any kind of agenda to infect a major segment of our country with HIV thus aids, IT GODDAMN IS AS EXPLICIT AS IT GETS. And what a great weapon to use in a war against people that the invaders want to annilate. How long after infection before someone just feels so crappy that they go to the doctor to find they have developed full blown aids and here is your pain killers and good luck?
Any other disease would be and is tracked very close by the cdc but this just seems to have fallen through the wood work so to speak. Irreprehensible! Same as being told the wtc towers collapsed due to impact and the jet fuel melting the metal 4” thick steel core, never mind the demolition explosions coming all the way down the building in plain sight for all to see with no steel core of either building left, all cut to pieces by demolition.
Here’s a chance to start investigations and prosecutions of a lot of criminally and treasonous minded people and no doubt enough evidence to successfully prosecute.
If these wicked people are this intent on their mischief, all I can say is girls, make sure he is wearing at least 2 condoms and guys, don’t ask, wear at least 2 condoms. Thing is, unless you get checked by the doctor, you don’t know.