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‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Don’t Work

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Posted on Jul 24, 2008
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Congress is investigating the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for the first time in the rule’s 15-year life. Critics of the famously troubled compromise would like to take advantage of a troop-starved military to scrap the policy, but the opposition argues that openly gay soldiers would frighten away new recruits.

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Democratic lawmakers called the subcommittee hearing a long-overdue session to begin the process of dismantling the policy. Legislation to do so was initially introduced in 2005, but the Republican control of Congress at the time ensured it would fail. The bill was reintroduced last year.

“We have figured out how to deal with racial integration and gender discrimination,” said Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher (D-Alamo), the bill’s sponsor. “This is the last frontier.”

[...] During Wednesday’s hearing, Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, which opposes repeal of the policy, said that allowing gays to serve openly would drive away more individuals who don’t want to serve with gays than the number of service members discharged under “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

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By rowdy, July 28 at 10:10 am #

how does one sum up a lifetime in a few short sentences? in my lifetime i have had sex with,precisely, 15 women. i can’t give a precise figure on the men. it would be well over 300,i quit counting long ago. as an aside,i quit keeping track of my acid trips when i reached 500. the number of men i had sex with might sound absurdly high, but you have to keep in mind,a man going to a gay bathhouse can easily have sex with a half dozen others in a few hours. you can have group sex with a dozen people. i have had friends who claimed to have sex with many hundreds of men,much more than i. several of the women were part of a 3 way,with another man. the first love of my life was big on 3 ways. my partner of the past 32 years likes 3 ways as well. i haven’t had sex with a stranger in 10 years,nor has my partner. when billy and i first met it was in a bathhouse. he is younger than i and we didn’t have an exclusive relationship. we have never demanded monogamy from each other, we simply got older and no longer seek outside sex. when we first met he had a girlfriend. why is so surprising to straight people,that gay men can and do have sex with women? not a day goes by that i don’t see some young woman,who inspires lust in my loins. this is true for men as well. i am just old and tired and i am smart enough to know my chances with anyone younger than myself, male or female is remote at best. young gay men are the worst of all when it comes to not even seeing you, if you are old. i don’t hold it against them,once that was my attitude as well. some of the bars i used to go to still exist 30 odd years later, they are disco’s and everyone is young,no fun for anyone who is older. when we do go to a bar, we go the ones where the patrons are our age. since we are not looking for a trick, we go out to see our friends and have a few drinks and then go home to pursue our gay agenda, go to bed, wake up, go to work, come home have dinner, watch a movie, go to bed and start over next day. probably your life is much the same.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, July 27 at 3:38 pm #

Reply to Rowdy:

Hey, Rowdy, first I choose to believe you’re not putting us on.  Then, if you don’t mind helping me out here (BTW, I’m a straight 66 year-old male).  You’re obviously a thinker.  What was going on in your mind all those years of sex with guys, then 10 years with “the love of your life” who was a woman and now, a guy you’ve partnered with for 30 years? 

How does a person do that?  I understand about Bi-, but, were you monogamous all this time?  If a person has a Bi- make-up, then how do you commit to one gender all that time?  Isn’t there conflict?
Are you happy?  Does one win out in the end.  Does your orientation/preference change periodically? Does a Bi- enter into an open relationship with another Bi- acknowledging polygomy?  I’m just trying to get to the truth and understand.

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By dasm, July 27 at 2:19 pm #
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These jerks who continue to support DADT must be closeted gays-- they think if they were near gay men they’d be ever so tempted.  What losers.  People confident in their sexuality (gays included) really don’t care what fears the others have.  If you are a confident straight man or woman, you can work with/fight with gays & lesbians because you all have a common cause.  You aren’t afraid of them, or of anyone who is criticizing gays`lesbians as being second-class troops/citizens/humans. You know these people to be homophobes & cowards.

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By rowdy, July 27 at 1:17 pm #

forty odd years ago, when johnson was drafting cannon fodder i was forced to endure a physical and an IQ test. there was also a personal questionnaire, which was read aloud by a pipsqueak repressed fag. we [400 of us] were told that if we answered yes to being gay, we would not be accepted. we were told that if we weren’t gay and said yes to avoid being drafted we would go to prison. if we were really gay and said we weren’t we would go to prison,because us fags weren’t allowed in the service. at that time my best friend and i were having sex together all the time. we both also had girl friends. i really did not know how to answer this question. you were damned either way. i chose hetero, rather than have some government document branding me a fag for the rest of my life. my IQ test put me in the top 10 of 400. my physical? they didn’t even get as far as sticking their fingers up my ass before they rejected me for being overweight,high blood pressure and an extraordinary blood alcohol count. i got totally wasted the night before and not even legally. the doctor who failed me said i should go to my own doctor for blood pressure treatment and a diet and i should stop drinking. he said the army really needed men with high IQ’s and i would be recalled in six months. i said i was smart enough to make sure that if they recalled me i sure as hell would not do anything that would allow me to pass their physical. i gained 60 more pounds and when i was recalled again,i was rejected for the second and last time. 2 days later i bought genuine pharmaceutical dexadrine from someone on campus and lost 80 pounds in a month. shortly after, i met the love of my life,she and i lived together for 10 years. she got a little funny in the head and we broke up. then i met my next great love. He and i have been together for 32 years. so i guess i finally answered the question. hell yes i’m queer.

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By peedeecee, July 27 at 9:45 am #

Funny: they are afraid that gay guys might go after straight guys. Two arguments immediately come to mind: 1) gay guys are far more at risk from homophobic straights than vice versa; 2) women in the military are at constant risk from straight men, yet nobody seems to care about that.

Hypocrisy abounds.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, July 25 at 12:09 pm #

Is some straight guy afraid some gay is going to lust after the straight guy’s thing?  I don’t get it.  Really.  It’s obviously tolerated by the military to enable the potential for heteros to prey on one another and that often happens, but, heaven forbid a gay guy might hit on a straight guy. 

Which scares you the most, being water-boarded or in the sights of an automatic weapon or being a guy having to say “no” to another guy who digs your ass?

Will the world ever understand that gays are no more or less into sex than straights?  This is clearly sterotyping and bigotry and shouldn’t even be open for discussion in a free society.

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By Blackspeare, July 25 at 11:47 am #

I don’t understand why “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” wont work!  When I went into the service nobody asked me if I was straight or gay and I never offered such information.  When the guys in the unit went into town for some fun there was always a few individuals who declined for one reason or another and nobody cared.

I’m sure some of the guys in the unit were gay, and there was some gossip, but never vicious----and like we say back home----live and let live!

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