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 Mutiny at the Democratic National Convention?Posted on Jul 12, 2008
A defiant new group of Democrats calling itself the Denver Group has started a campaign to make sure the Democratic presidential nomination remains open until August’s convention in Denver, leaving the game open to certain contenders (read: HRC) instead of following the “presumptive nominee Barack Obama” plan.
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By jersey girl, July 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm #
cyrena: I could very easily handle reading all of my posts. However, if you really want to punish me, make me read all of your posts. If I believed in hell, that would surely be it for me.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 5:38 pm #
I had stopped reading your posts because they are long diatribes filled with half truths and misstatments and you belittle anyone who doesnt agree with you. I will continue to do so.
And, HOW LONG have you been promising to ignore my posts, even after I gave you step by step directions on how to scroll right through them?
Sorry g-string, but you can’t possibly do yet ANOTHER sting of insults…you don’t make a single solitary post here, without accusing me of your ‘disagreement’ thing, and then proceed to call ‘truce’.
You can’t help yourself. Like I said, your posts are a broken record of the same shit over and over again. Maybe if you were forced to read all of them yourself, you might actually ‘get it’. Then again, I doubt that.
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 14, 2008 at 4:30 pm #
Cyrena: “You two have been here less than a month, and have managed to offend and/or otherwise insult with personal attacks, over a dozen regular contributors to this site”
You really need to get a grip. Dozens have been offended? I haven’t even seen “dozens” on this site since I’ve been here. You are just so freaked out that someone would disagree with you, have insults hurled at them by you, and still stick around and give back as good as you throw out. Miss queen of truthdig you just can’t handle it can you?
I had stopped reading your posts because they are long diatribes filled with half truths and misstatments and you belittle anyone who doesn’t agree with you. I will continue to do so.
However you seem to be obsessed with me because in reading others posts that seems to be all you can talk about. This is high school bs.
Shall we call a truce? Leave me alone and I will leave you alone. Deal?
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 12:37 pm #
Re: #16902 & 169055
Well go ahead Cyrena. Get me and anyone else who disagrees with you banned. Thats what the new america is all about, right?
No Jersey Girl. This is NOT what the new America is all about. And its not about anybody disagreeing with me, NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN. And, its not about Barack Obama. Its not about McCain. Its not about the elections. Its not even about national politics. Its about YOU SHOWING YOUR BEHIND, and your drawers are dirty - with holes - and busted out elastic. In other words, your act is RAGGEDY! THATS what this is about! And youve managed it in less than 30 days. JBlack, 33. You two have set a new record at TD.
Let me say this one last time, for BOTH of your benefits. Its not gonna fly.
Here’s the deal, that you just don’t get. This site has been in operation for about 4 years now. I’ve been posting on the site about the same length of time that many of the other regular posters have; well over a year. People come and go, including the occasional wacko. For the most part, reasonable adults have been able to indulge in measured and reasonable discussions. None of us always totally agrees on everything here, and for sane adults, that is not a problem. Every once in a while, tempers flare, and then people cool off. Rarely are people overwhelmingly disrespectful as the two of you have been. When they are, they dont last long, because NOBODY has to put up with that. Nobody should.
Now you two came barging in here like it was the wild wild west, and you have your six shooters, ready to just blast anybody you want. For the most part, your abuse has been directed AT ME. Im easy- going enough, but theres no way that you or anybody else, is gonna bad mouth or otherwise slander me on this public forum, or anywhere else. I wont allow my family, a spouse, an employer, a co-worker, or a colleague to talk to me that way. So what kind of arrogant ignorance makes you think that YOU can do it?
Now I have never reported anybody on this forum. As a general rule, the posters on this forum can police themselves, because we are all adults. You two have been here less than a month, and have managed to offend and/or otherwise insult with personal attacks, over a dozen regular contributors to this site, occasionally with general tirades just directed at everyone, but over 95% of the time, its been directed at me. As it happens, Truthdig does not actually monitor this site as vigilantly as most of the other similar websites. We all know this. And we also know that on ANY OTHER similar site, you would have been BANNED LONG AGO!
WAY beyond the pale. WAY over the lines of what is accepted here, and spelled out in the comments policy and terms and conditions of the website. Yeah, we know you dont pay any attention to that boring stuff. Why should you, right? Youre real special. Umhumm Youre beyond all of that which applies to others in a civilized setting, and like some little kid, dont appear to believe that you need to be accountable for anything you say or do. WRONG!
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 12:36 pm #
Re: # 16902 and 16905 cont
So, Ive offered some really diplomatic suggestions to you both, to LAY OFF! You dont or wont get that. What is that about? This isnt the street or a sewer brawl where you can expect to just insult people at will, and make accusations that you have absolutely NO basis for! Strangers on a public forum arent required to put up with your issues or behavioral problems. This isnt some on-line therapy group. You need to grow the f@*# up!
You blew it, and that was after multiple chances to clean up your act.
So yes. I will. Not just you, but your partners in crime as well.
JBlack. Ive got a different plan in mind for you. Yours needs to be filed on the record. Youre lying by the way again, in reference to the comment regarding free speech. In context, that comment was about as significant as the proverbial pimple on a gnats ass. The comment was not directed to you, and it didnt mention your name, or otherwise reference that you even exited. So no, THAT wont save you. One look by any authority at the stuff youve directed to me, and youll have to explain some things. All of that needs to be bundled up and filed with TD and any other appropriate entities. Im accustomed to putting together that type of documentation, so its not a big deal for me at all.
So keep talking JBlack. Keep up with your obsession on me being a bigot. Its all about the context, and youre not even smart enough to have covered your own butt by keeping copies of your own remarks, no doubt frequently written in some sort of psychotic disarray. Youve havent outed anybody but yourself JBlack, and in just 30 days no less, being arrogant enough to think youre about anything, or have any influence at all. You dont even have any influence or power over YOUSELF! If you did, you would never have posted the stuff. You arent even smart enough to recognize the ignorance of your arrogance in assuming you can influence the opinions of people who have been reading what Ive written and engaging in dialogue with me for well over a year. And you think in 30 days youve outed somebody? Youve got some serious pathology going on, but its not unique.
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 14, 2008 at 9:57 am #
I finally read one of cryrena’s posts because it’s a short one and she’s saying she’s gonna report me to the authorities for speaking out against obama as president.
Well go ahead Cyrena. Get me and anyone else who disagrees with you banned. That’s what the new america is all about, right?
I think she is just pissed because she can’t tell us why Obama voted for the telecomsand against the 4th amendment or give me five substantive reasons I should vote for him other than he’s not McCain.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 14, 2008 at 7:10 am #
jersey girl, July 14 at 1:48 am #
Inherit: I feel sorry for your wife. She apparently is married to a wimpy apologist.
I’d feel a lot sorrier for you if you were ever stupid enough to say that to her—which you obviously are. One thing Jersey girls are is fighters…and she’s a tigress.
Heres some facts for you Mr. Head in the Sand:
The democrats had the chance to vote against the war, against further funding of that war, against the patriot act TWICE, against the military commissions act,
I have never defended their actions on those votes and have been as angry and frustrated that they caved in to Bush as anyone. So don’t, in your lying way, claim otherwise.
against Alito and Roberts,
Are you REALLY so ignorant of Constitutional law that you don’t know how appointments work? There weren’t enough votes to stop those appointments. And, has been SO well pointed out, Sen. Obama DID vote against them.
against the fisa bill, FOR impeachment etc etc etc,and what have they done? Theyve given George Bush everything hes wanted.
Already discussed this. Also, you give NO credit to all the Dems who voted against these bills.
You say you hate the republicans and bush so much yet you make excuses for nancy pelosi for taking impeachment off the table as soon as she gets in office.
Again, I would have LOVED to see Bush/Cheney impeached AND ousted. But impeachment when there is NO chance of ouster is nothing more than a show and a waste of time and money. Again, can you NOT count? The number is 67—and without a fair chance at 67 there is no way in HELL any speaker should let an impeachment move forward. That blunder cost Newt Gingrich his job. 67…Why is that SO hard to understand???? An impeachment over the last two years had NO chance of getting more than 50 votes, maybe less.
Apologist? What are you, a total fool? Don’t you get it? It was a LOSER, that’s why Pelosi killed it. 49 Republicans will never turn on a GOP president with two years or less to go.
Its one thing to be honest and say you just dont want McCain to get in but to make excuses for the spineless OR complicit dems and their snake oil salesman candidate, is showing you and cyrena for the fools you are.
Just because you want to elect a totally inept clown who spouts a good line but never once showed any shred of competence and has been no more than comic relief and a magnet for 4% of the electorate isn’t a justification to roll over and piss on ourselves like a submissive dog, letting the Bush disaster go on for another 4 or 8 years.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 6:49 am #
Dear fellow blogging adults. (sane ones). Looks like the time has come to bring this to the attention of the Truthdig Webmaster.
It’ll be a first for me, in all the time I’ve been posting here. But, they don’t pay attention otherwise. There’s always that line, and they’ve all crossed it. JBlack, Jersey Girl, and troublesum. Same for maani the forerunner troll.
Report thisTime to go.
By jersey girl, July 14, 2008 at 5:52 am #
Louise’s top 5 reasons to vote for Obama:
By Louise, July 13 at 7:35 pm #
jersey girl:
Five reasons to vote for Obama:
1) Hes Black.
2) Hes young.
3) He has a good sense of humor.
4) Hes got guts.
5) Hes healthy.
Report thisLOL .. in that case, I’ll write in a vote for my UPS man he has the exact same qualifications. BTW.. your first reason is very telling. And I’m now convinced that you and cyrena and outraged are the same person.
By jersey girl, July 14, 2008 at 5:48 am #
Inherit: I feel sorry for your wife. She apparently is married to a wimpy apologist.
Here’s some facts for you Mr. Head in the Sand:
The democrats had the chance to vote against the war, against further funding of that war, against the patriot act TWICE, against the military commissions act, against Alito and Roberts, against the fisa bill, FOR impeachment etc etc etc,and what have they done? They’ve given George Bush everything he’s wanted.
You say you hate the republicans and bush so much yet you make excuses for nancy pelosi for taking impeachment off the table as soon as she gets in office.
It’s one thing to be honest and say you just don’t want McCain to get in but to make excuses for the spineless OR complicit dems and their snake oil salesman candidate, is showing you and cyrena for the fools you are.
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 14, 2008 at 5:33 am #
Tony: I get where you are coming from. It seems that you are where I was until just recently. Always giving the democrats another chance to show some guts against the republicans. Kerry’s swift concession in 04 made me heartsick. Then I thought, ok, the dems won big in 06, NOW they will show some courage and at least stand up to the fascists on the other side. But no, they were both more complicit and conciliatory than ever. It shouldn’t matter how many votes they needed to defeat the republicans they should have still voted the way we the people encouraged them to vote and the way a true opponent SHOULD have voted. Time after time, whether it be the war,the patriot act, the military commissions act, their letting alito and roberts onto the court, impeachment, telecoms…they just don’t listen to us. It tells me, instead of serving us, they have joined them. Except for a few shining exceptions, they never acted like the opposition party did they? Our bill of rights has been shredded with their ok.
Obama is showing who he really is. He never was progressive. He sounds as republican as John McCain. I’m disgsted to the point of being ill that my party has forced me to leave. And there are many others who are leaving or who have left as well for the very same reason. I’m very sorry, but I cannot continue to support a group that has ignored the people they are there to represent for the past 8 years. Obama has shown us that he intends to continue that trend.
I can’t do it anymore. I can’t give blind support to a candidate who I feel is not looking out for the things that mean the most to me. The right to privacy is at the top of the list and he so cavalierly took that away from all of us.. Why? Why did he do that? Because of the “terrorists”? That seems to be his answer.
I respect what you have to say and I know where you are coming from. Just keep in mind, they work for us, not the other way around. By continuing to vote for them when they have totally disregarded our wishes, especially regarding impeachment, is being played the fool. As long as they can take our votes for granted, things will never change in our favor.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 3:51 am #
Reply to Louise, July 13 at 7:35 pm #
Part 1 of 2
jersey girl:
Five reasons to vote for Obama:
Louise, Ive made a horrible error, that I must confess to immediately. When I first glanced at this list, I thought that Jersey Girl had decided to answer her own demand for 5 reasons to vote for Obama, so I didnt even look at it carefully enough, because I though SHE wrote it. So, thats why I responded with just one line that was basically unflattering.
Yes, its true I should have simply said uncle a long time ago. Im tired, trying to do chores, keep from burning up from the fires, and in the midst of it all, theres been the non-stop terror from Jersey Girl. Reminds me of that energizer bunny cartoon with Hillary. The not-so-energized bunny is jus sitting there in the chair, and noting that Hillary just kept on going, and going, and going, and going. I wonder if SHE would have squashed those repuglican cockroaches.
Anyway, I blew that, and I admit it, so that means its time for me to take a break.
But, before I go, I wanted to acknowledge the information provided by the Hillary Team trying to sabotage the party, the convention, and our chances at escaping the repigleadership.
Somebody (unregistered of course) by the name of kat in your hat, made these statements about this denver group, and apparently this PUMA stands for something that I dont even care to know. The very first description on kats list is the dead giveaway to what they are..another swiftboating effort.
By kat in your hat, July 13 at 2:47 am #
(Unregistered commenter)
The Denver Group:
FEC recognized 527 group.
Their goals are:
* An open convention.
* Not just Senator Clintons name on the ballot, but to have her up for official nomination.
* Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on behalf of her candidacy.
* A roll call vote.
* No coronation
*They want to make ads to be shown in the mass media.
*They want to make sure the Democratic party stays democratic
~~~~
A RECOGNIZED 527 GROUP.
A 527 group is the same as a political campaign death squad, as we learned from John Kerrys fated election.
And, Id like to make something else crystal clear
THIS IS WHY OBAMA DECIDED AGAINST PUBLIC FINANCING!!!!!
And, he said as much, when he explained it, but of course the dummies werent listening. All of Hill the Hypos fans were screaming about how he made a flip flop. No, he made a decision based on the fact that he KNEW..(and yes, he DID say it), that these 527 PACs were going to operate illegally, REGARDLESS of whether or not the public financing was accepted. HE would have been held to it, and yes, the Hillary-McCain party would brazenly break all of the rules, because thats what repiglicans do.
These are again, as I said, DEATH SQUADS. There ARE campaign finance laws that apply to them, but theyve built in their own set of convoluted loopholes that allow them to get money from under the table tons of it, while Obama tries to help the snake pay off her failed campaign debts, and thats how they sunk Kerry, and have the same plans to sink Obama. This post as well as another by someone claiming to be a loyalhillaryfannowsupportingmccain have both appeared on this website almost immediately after this piece was posted.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 3:50 am #
Part 2 of 2
Ive not had the time or energy to check the other blogs, but Id bet dollars to donuts, (well, never mind, THAT old cliché doesnt work anymore) that they are trolling this shit all over the place. They are determined to shove Hillary Clinton (another repiglican) down our throats, (maani was the forerunner) and thats that.
But, their stupid little sign is backwards of course. Will Howard Dean turn the convention into a Boston Tea Party? Well NO! Thats what THEY intend to do. But, this aint gonna work like that one did. The original Boston Tea Party was the first official ACT OF TERRORISM (besides the killing of all the Indians) conducted by the people who stole this country from its original people. Yes, the Boston Tea Party folks were TERRORISTS, and with perfidy abounding, the clown DRESSED UP LIKE A NATIVE AMERICAN, to initiate the terror.
This time, it will have a blowback effect that will make 9/11 look like a burning trash can that the homeless use to keep warm in the winter.
So THESE clowns better be ready for massive failure.
Do the rest of you pretend revolutionaries understand whats going on here? This is a concerted effort that will only continue to grow, as they claim that they want their democratic party back. Jersey Girl, is this registering at ALL with you? Why are these people SO AFRAID of a Barack Obama democrat, if he was just like the others? Why would they be claiming to want their party back if they werent feeling the serious pinch of having had that OLD DLC taken right out from under them, (YES THOSE DEMS that YOU keep claiming are the ENTIRE party) from an increasingly progressive movement?
DO YOU CONNECT THESE DOTS? THEY WANT THAT OLD COWARDLY GROUP BACK, THAT HAS DONE NOTHING (as you say) to DEFEAT THE REPUGS!! Can you take an on-line course in politics or something? QUICKLY?
And DO YOU UNDERSTAND that THIS is why Louise told you that anybody voting for anyone other than Barack Obama must WANT the repigs to win, because thats exactly what would happen?
Hillary Clinton and John McCain, ARE THE SAME.—- REPUBLICAN!
~~~~~
Inherit the Wind, thanks for pointing out the very obvious differences between the coulter pit bull and me. Seems like anybody would have figured out that they were continuing to make a total ass of themselves with such a bitchy comment. But not troublesum. Its all she knows. Ann probably blew her off for some other girl-dude.
I also wanted to mention that I already know Jersey Girl is NOT an example of women in New Jersey. (for all we know, JG isnt even from there herself). I know many people from New Jersey, including two of my favorite professors. One is Princeton Emeritus, (a Jewish fellow) and I very much admire both he and his wife, who is also a professor of law here at my campus. (actually, they both do global studies, incorporating international and human rights law). Hes pretty much to the left, or at least the repugs/neocons have him on their list of the 100 most dangerous professors. I really dont know why. Hes seems mild-mannered enough to me. But you know the deal.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 14, 2008 at 12:39 am #
Tony Wicher, July 13 at 8:14 pm #
jg,
The Democrats had a formal majority in the Senate only if you count Lieberman. It takes 60-40 to break a filibuster. Bush is President. They did not have the votes to override a presidential veto…..
TW:
Why are you wasting time trying to explain OBVIOUS Washington politics to someone who neither understands, nor cares. Jersey Girl obviously doesn’t know how to count to 51, 60 or 67 (key numbers in the Senate) nor is she aware that the Democrats have a MINORITY in the Senate and ONLY hold control by a COALITION (There’s the word again) with two independents, one of whom is Lieberman.
Nor does she understand that in the House Pelosi has a RAZOR thin majority of only about 30 votes—and house votes are about as hard to round up as herding cats. There are many “Blue Dog” Dems who will defect if Pelosi tries to bully them—more than those 30-few votes.
But JerseyGirl is such an ignoramus that she thinks all Obama has to do to change the Senate is “Stomp on them!” Right. Junior senator with little seniority…That’s like telling the 98 lb weakling that he should just walk up to Chuck Liddell or Forest Griffin and just kick the shit out of him. It’s so stupid as to be unbelievable.
She’s rapidly giving New Jersey a bad reputation. Don’t be fooled: Lots of REAL Jersey girls are smart and perceptive. I know. I live here. I’m married to one.
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, July 14, 2008 at 12:14 am #
By jersey girl, July 13 at 5:06 pm #
Tony: the democrats HAD the power since 06. Obama has the power as the democratic nominee. Instead of doing anything progressive with that power he has proven himself to be as much of a republican as bush by his own words and actions.
Ok, Ill be fair about this, give me 5 reasons I should vote for Obama. And you cant use ..“hes not McCain as one of them.
——————————————————————————
jg,
The Democrats had a formal majority in the Senate only if you count Lieberman. It takes 60-40 to break a filibuster. Bush is President. They did not have the votes to override a presidential veto. Yes, they could have taken a much stronger stand than they have since 2006. They could have allowed impeachment hearings to go forward, and they could have refused to fund the war. For that you and cyrena and I all call them cowards. It was because of cowardice, I say, that the Democrats authorized this war in the first place. What we call cowardice they consider caution. They won’t take a political stand on anything unless they have a strong feeling that the people are behind them. So let’s work with what we’ve got. Let’s see if a big victory helps them pluck up their courage. It takes time to build a winning coalition and turn around the ship of state. We started the process in 2006. Let’s finish it by having a big Democratic landslide in 2008. Then I think the historical situation will resemble 1932, when the progressive end of the ruling class took control represented by FDR and with the people solidly behind them they made some major changes that benefitted the country as a whole.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 14, 2008 at 12:11 am #
Re: Jersey Girl..
Oh gosh ... Im sorry, I simply cant think of just five reasons to vote for Obama!
*****
That might be because…YOU CAN’T THINK!
What kind of drugs are you on? You haven’t taken a breath in damn near 24 hours! Didn’t you say you had a boy friend? Why don’t you pay some attention to him?
Never mind. This might be the only peace the poor guy’s had in who knows how long. If you weren’t harrassing the living shit out of us, you’d probably have beat the guy upside his head and broken all of his legs and arms by now.
What a terrorist! Girl, you al-Qaeda ain’t got NOTHIN’ on you. I’d be willing to bet you could wipe them out with one hand tied behind your back, and then be ready to take on the Taliban.
So, there’s the solution. Obama can withdraw all of our troops from the Middle East, and just leave YOU there. Now that’s what I call efficiency.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2008 at 11:55 pm #
Sorry Jersey Girl, but I owe you an apology.
You didn’t say “Wake the fuck up!”
You said “Wake the hell up!”
(rolls eyes….)
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2008 at 11:53 pm #
jersey girl, July 13 at 12:55 pm #
Im not the least bit surprised at that. You are obviously the three stooges for obama.
*********************************************
At least the Stooges had two characteristics you lack:
1) They were clever
2) They were funny
Actually you are funniest when you are screaming on-line stuff like: “Doncha see??” and “People, wake the fuck up!” You sound just like a religious nut saying “Doncha see—without Jesus you’re going to Hell….” Same intensity, same frustation.
Tell you what: We’ll be the 3 Stooges if you’ll be Harpo Marx. That’s that kind of Marxism you’d be good at—the silent kind.
Report thisBy Louise, July 13, 2008 at 11:35 pm #
jersey girl:
Five reasons to vote for Obama:
1) He’s Black.
2) He’s young.
3) He has a good sense of humor.
4) He’s got guts.
5) He’s healthy.
6) His wife is real.
7) His kids are cute and young.
8) He’s been in D.C for less than ten years.
9) He figured out how to get rich without sucking off someone else.
10) He has great leadership skills.
Oh geez, I lost count. Let me start over.
1) He’s a Constitutional scholar.
2) He comes from a bi-racial, and partially broken home, leading to a deep understanding of what many of us are going through.
3) He not only admits having messed around with drugs when he was a kid, but is anxious to use that experience to help confused young people, who come from dysfunctional homes.
4) He has enormous respect for those he interacts with. Even those who have tried hard to hurt him.
5) He doesn’t hold grudges.
6) He believes in himself. Not hype, but real self-respect.
7) He believes in others. Not superficial as in I need your vote, but real as in I think you can do what you need to do.
8) He’s attractive.
9) He’s well read and informed.
10) He’s well spoken and knowledgeable.
11) He’s not afraid to listen to the other guys point of view. Or change his own if he believes he’s made a mistake.
12) He’s a professor.
13) He’s not ashamed of his background.
14) He respects others, irregardless of whether or not he agrees with them.
15) He has a long and well established record of helping the underprivileged.
Oh geez! I did it again! One more time ...
1) He’s capable of admitting personal weakness.
2) He sees value in almost everyone he comes into contact with.
3) He believes it’s possible to unite the people for the good of all.
4) He’s humble when overly praised. Gets downright embarrassed. [although you cant see him blush]
5) He understands the value of a high moral standard, but doesn’t beat us over the head with his.
6) He loves life, and it isn’t because he’s rich. It’s because he values it.
7) He has the courage to admit when he made a mistake in judgment.
8) He’s pleasant to be around, like Clinton [Bill] was/is.
9) He has the gift of being able to make others feel comfortable and valuable.
10) He’s a listener.
11) He has those essential leadership qualities.
Oh gosh ... I’m sorry, I simply cant think of just five reasons to vote for Obama!
[And I haven’t even got to the political stuff!]
Report thisBy cyrena, July 13, 2008 at 10:32 pm #
Re: JG #168959
Tony: I despise the republicans in office. But what has obama done but bend over for them? Thats one of the main reasons I dont like obama. He is no leader. I mentioned this many times before. He should have squashed them like the cockroaches they are but he hasnt and he wont. Instead he has chosen to cater to them instead of his base. Turncoat(maybe not, thats probably who he really is)
Charmingly sweet-tempered eh? This is ONE of the main reasons she doesnt like him. And, shes mentioned this many times before. (no kidding). According to JG, Senator Obama, who has been in the US Senate for less than 3 years, was supposed to have simply SQUASHED those cockroaches like the superman in the cartoons. She obviously had some really high hopes for him that sane people simply didnt have. We pretty much all accepted the fact that he was human, though certainly smarter than a bunch of his other colleagues. Jersey Girl should have sewn him a cape and built him a phone booth to change into it.
Not only that, she thinks that talking to other people who have an equal amount of power in bringing about anything more than what weve got is catering to them. She thinks he should have just shot up the rest of the Congress. I mean, thatll fix em, huh?
What is wrong with you freakin people. Wake the hell up !! The democrats have become even more despicable because they did NOTHING to stop this march to tyranny!
More sweet talk here. Thats sure the way to win the hearts and minds of all the people one is hoping to influence. Just keep cussing them out and calling them names, and doing a real virtual kicking of all our asses. And when some (actually MANY) democrats like me and the hundreds or even thousands of others who have been working our butts off to do exactly this, (stop the tyranny) while we watch the SAME large majority of ignorant and mindless fellow citizens put the SAME fascist back in office, we dont take at all kindly to some irrational person making these accusations.
NO NO NO Why do you think things will change with a man who has shown you who he is??? A man who prefers to walk down the middle of the road listing to the right. Dont forget who let Roberts and Alito on the supreme court which you people conveniently tend to forget.
Since impeachment action needs to start in the House, there is no doubt that weve been thoroughly disgusted with Nancy impeachment-off-the-table Pelosi from day one. There is no excuse for this, and Nancys days in Congress are numbered. Now if JG had chosen to take her unstable ass and a full load of AK-47s to give Nancy Pelosi and her gang this same diatribe shes inflicted on all of us, Im guessing nobody would have stopped her. But things like life imprisonment and/or the death penalty have a way of making the rest of us think twice.
And..she switches again, from democrats in general ALL of them, back to Obama, who immediately becomes SOLELY responsible for letting Roberts and Alito on the SC. Odd since Obama voted NAY as in NO on both of these confirmations! JG says its STILL his fault. He should have held a gun to everybody elses head until they voted no as well. Fix them cockroaches. Whos conveniently forgetting what? She just claimed that Dodd was a really good guy, but HE voted YES..at least on Roberts.
But, even Dodd voted nay on Alito, as did ALL BUT FOUR dems. Byrd/Conrad/Johnson/Nelson. 1 repug, (Chaffee) voted nay. The vote was 58- 42. Wanna tell us who let Alito on the SC? Thats a difference of 16 votes.
Claims she has a boy friend. He must be a deaf/mute and spend a lot of time at the ER. Sounds like he needs a restraining order. Claims she has a job too. Co-workers? Probably not.
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 9:06 pm #
Tony: the democrats HAD the power since 06. Obama has the power as the democratic nominee. Instead of doing anything progressive with that power he has proven himself to be as much of a republican as bush by his own words and actions.
Ok, I’ll be fair about this, give me 5 reasons I should vote for Obama. And you can’t use ..“he’s not McCain” as one of them.
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, July 13, 2008 at 8:54 pm #
Re jersey girl, July 13 at 12:49 pm #
Tony: I despise the republicans in office. But what has obama done but bend over for them? Thats one of the main reasons I dont like obama. He is no leader. I mentioned this many times before. He should have squashed them like the cockroaches they are but he hasnt and he wont. Instead he has chosen to cater to them instead of his base.
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jg,
Evidently, Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party have not felt politically strong enough to think they could “squash them like cockroaches”. Perhaps it’s really up to the people to “squash them like cockroaches” in November by giving Obama a landslide victory and a filibuster-proof majority in Congress. Obama can only build a broad coalition by reaching beyond his base. The bigger the win, the more progressive changes we can expect.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 13, 2008 at 8:44 pm #
Re: Inherit the Wind..
Its kind of funny that on this, Tony, Cyrena and I are shoulder to shoulder when we usually are at each others throats.
Now Inherit, this part about us usually being at each others throats isnt entirely true. I mean, we actually HAVE agreed on other things. Maybe Im just not as left-wing as you thought.
And if ya think about it, weve had some pretty decent dialogue once we get beyond errors in misunderstand of linguistics that I occasionally screw up. The other thing is that even when we HAVE been at each others throats, its been respectful. Nothing at all like this visceral and oh so childish stuff that Jersey Girl and JBlack have indulged in.
Anyway, the reason we are shoulder to shoulder on this, is the same reason that all of the other sane people on this blog are shoulder to shoulder on it. Its because it is so DAMNED URGENT! In the most basic of terms, this is beyond the level of any emergency that I can think of in my own lifetime, unless we consider how close we came to oblivion in the Cuban Missile Crises, But the disaster that has taken place in the past 8 years has certainly created the effects of a nuclear missile crisis from millions of others around the globe.
So, sane people who can think on more than one subject at the same time, and see the interconnectedness understand all too well the seriousness of the situation that we are in, and what another republican administration would do to us. It would simply FINISH US OFF. Not just a few of us, but MOST of us. Tao Walker might survive, and by some luck of the draw, those of us who know the seriousness and have tried to prepare for the worst, may manage. But it would be like one of those Stephen King novels, (I cant remember which one) where there are few left..very few. And, Im not even exaggerating here. I only wish I was.
Thats the reason. When sane people realize the urgency of such a matter, they put aside the BS that might otherwise entertain them in partially irrelevant argument, because we dont have the luxury of it. Its like the old clinche when the going gets tuff, the tuff get going. No time for BS when its about saving our asses, and this is one of those times when the salvation of ALL of us is dependent on the same outcome.
Just a word on this:
..A word to DuncanIdaho—Its clear you didnt understand a word I said…defective ghola this time around.
Didnt take long to figure out the deal with DuncanIdaho. I noted in one of his first posts on the thread, that he talked about us in THIS country, clearly as if he were speaking/writing from another, as a citizen of another. That, and the nature of his comments makes him a write-off, at least on this topic. Hes chastising US for recognizing the danger that WE are in, when he happens to be located somewhere outside the sphere of what WE have to deal with. Needless-to-say, he will not be affected, unless hes located in one of the many attack zones specifically the ME. Disregard him. Another luxury we cant afford.
Jersey Girl has gone rabid. Close to the edge shouldnt be long now.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 13, 2008 at 7:56 pm #
Re: Jblack #168902 part 1 of 2
Cyrena, you can stop with the childish and empty threats. They are as meaningless as your posts.
They werent threats JBlack, because I dont make threats. It was a recommendation that you stop before you dug yourself deeper.
You registered at TD on 6/11/2008. Thats just over a month ago. Since then, youve made about 75 posts to this site, and a large number of them, have been personally directed at me, and ALL have involved lectures and name calling, on a most personal level. NONE have anything at all to do with the message or the text of the article on any given thread.
Ive also save copies of your similar attacks on Louise, as well as Outraged, because you obviously arent smart enough to have figured out that we are not the same persons. Youre psychologically/ideologically impaired, and everything you write proves it.
You claim that I am a bigot in each and every one of your posts. In fact, a rough estimate of the percentage of your posts puts ME in 93% of them. That is very revealing JBlack. It is just as revealing as the fact that you share an ideology with the likes of Clarence Thomas. Youve posted enough bullshit here for folks to figure that out.
The similarities are multifold. First, as you say, you are black. That is somewhat secondary to the issue, but still very relevant. What is more relevant is that you have revealed yourself to be a southerner and you have FREQUENTLY expressed your total distain for the black people within your community, who have expressed support for Obama. In fact, it is YOU who are intolerant of other views. It is YOU who show the utmost disrespect for those within your own socio-economic structure, (and your race) who dont share your love of the status quo that is represented by the current Dick Bush regime.
It is YOU who lost your mind and went off the deep end when I made the obvious point, that the invasion and occupation of Iraq by this administration is totally illegal, as a matter of international law. I provided an additional opinion from someone who would most certainly know: Kofi Annan, the previous Secretary-General of the UN. You shit your pants and swore that I was lying and demanded proof that he had offered that opinion. I provided it, and of course you never responded.
I could go on JBlack, and you may eventually force me to do exactly that, until we see all what there is or is NOT to see about you..which I happened to recognize immediately. As I said, you are not unique. But for the moment, well just cut to the chase. The bottom line is that like all other people who are afflicted in the manner in which you are, you accuse others of having YOUR afflictions, such as intolerance and bigotry. You assume that anyone who doesnt agree with YOU, is a bigot, and you appear to be pissed off at the world because youre black.
Now ever since I described you to yourself, youve been freaked out and determined to get back at me. You obviously have ZERO going on in your life, so without a literal punching bag to beat up on (as cowardly men do which means you cant possibly have a spouse or other domestic partner) youve discovered the internet, and that allows you to target independent thinking people like me. Ive also noticed that you only target women. Your bigoted assumption is that women are somehow inferior, and shouldnt be able to think for themselves, and their opinions are worthless, (more of the Clarence Thomas stuff) and so THEY are fair game, because youre the big (black) man. That assumption makes you more hesitant to throw the same abuse to any poster who might be male, because you dont invite confrontations with anyone who you think might not put up with your abuse.
This is also revealing
You LOVE to point out how everyone unlike yourself is stupid. You LOVE to lump people into hateful categories. You LOVE to make all who think unlike yourself feel very unwelcome.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 13, 2008 at 7:55 pm #
Re jblack #168902 part 2 of 2
INCORRECT JBlack, because while you are apparently unfamiliar with these types of forums, the reality is that many, many, opinions are represented here, and none of us know each other enough to claim to be like each other. Not all of us think the same at all, and differences in the ideologies or opinions do not make a person stupid. Im not even suggesting that YOU are stupid since thats a term that is more rhetoric than anything else. I DO believe to you be ignorant and closed to any thinking other than your own. I believe you are incapable of dealing with anyone who challenges your OWN view, which is entirely different from my own mentality, since Im open for intelligent or constructive discourse that is productive. Just having someone agree with my view, or agree with everything I say, would be very boring. But you wouldnt even understand what that actually means. REASONABLE PEOPLE disagree all of the time. But they disagree on logic and reason, not these very visceral feelings that you display here with your consistent tossing around of LOVE and HATE. Yours is 199% emotion-based JBlack, and you cant see anything without huge doses of it. REASONABLE people can share views as well as information, and discuss their own opinions about such information, and LEARN from it. You cant, because you have only emotion, based on what seems to be a fundamental bitterness and basic disrespect for anyone, including yourself.
So no. *I* do not make you feel unwelcome because we dont think alike. You make *YOURSELF* unwelcome by attacking everyone who doesnt think the way you do, or who might challenge your opinion. More correctly; those who respond to you when you brow beat them. You have certain targets, and when you attack them, they respond. You dont like it, because of course bullies never expect to be challenged. When you are, then of course it becomes the other persons fault.
This is the same type mentality that you share with people like George Bush. He attacks Iraq. The people there retaliate just like anybody else would under attack. He didnt expect that because he assumed he was attacking a vulnerable nation, (dont see him threatening China do you?) When they DO fight back, then hes all indignant and claiming to be treated badly by terrorists because after all, the very arrogant assumption was that wed be treated as liberators.
So, you bash onto or into an environment that you know nothing about, with the same crude/ignorant arrogance that your heroes use. When it doesnt go over you whine.
Anyway, my suggestion to you was to simply stop addressing or otherwise referring to me in your posts. Common sense dictates that you should simply ignore me, as Ive managed to do with you, until you go on your war path again. But, you dont want to do that. I suggested leaving it alone, since theres tons of other stuff that you could post on here, or other comments that you could respond to. You cant, because this is all about YOU needing to be engaged in an altercation. Its obvious to most that you dont even bother reading the articles, because you never reference the content of any of them. You just look through the comments to find attack targets.
As my mother would say, some folks just cant stand prosperity. So, thats fine. When Im finished with my laundry and a few other things around here, I will start to repost everything youve posted on this site in the past 30 days since you registered and began posting. That will allow for all to see your pattern and then folks can decide for themselves, whether or not they wanna put up with you.
Stay tuned JBlack. Youre about to see the past 33 or so days of your life flash before you. So will everyone else.
Report thisBy val a hillary loyalist, July 13, 2008 at 6:33 pm #
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I am asking every superdelegate to reconsider their desire to push Obama as the nominee. He flip flops around and has not lead the Party he has divided the party. We PUMAS would not exist if the DNC had correctly taken care of Florida and Michigan. If Dean by the way where is he hiding? Pelosi, Kerry,and other big names had not shoved a fork down everyones throat we would be seeing honest votes cast in the convention. We deserve to have a fair election and Obama Camp strong armed people in cacuses. We need to take back our Party and the PUMAS are determined to make you hear us….
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By Tony Wicher, July 13, 2008 at 5:48 pm #
Re Inherit The Wind, July 13 at 12:11 pm #
Its kind of funny that on this, Tony, Cyrena and I are shoulder to shoulder when we usually are at each others throats.
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ITW,
I’m not at your throat, man. I always liked you. I know we have differed on Israel/Palestine, but when push comes to shove I suspect we’re on the same side. As to cyrena, I always liked her too. We seem to agree 98% of the time.
By jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 4:55 pm #
Inherit: “Its kind of funny that on this, Tony, Cyrena and I are shoulder to shoulder when we usually are at each others throats.”
I’m not the least bit surprised at that. You are obviously the “three stooges for obama.”
Report thistrouble: cyrena does do a good impression of ann coulter. Wonder if she’s got the huge adam’s apple as well…
By jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 4:49 pm #
Tony: I despise the republicans in office. But what has obama done but bend over for them? That’s one of the main reasons I don’t like obama. He is no leader. I mentioned this many times before. He should have squashed them like the cockroaches they are but he hasn’t and he won’t. Instead he has chosen to cater to them instead of his base. Turncoat(maybe not, that’s probably who he really is).
What is wrong with you freakin people. Wake the hell up !! The democrats have become even more despicable because they did NOTHING to stop this march to tyranny. Jesus Christ, I’m so sick of you accusing those of us who see right thru mr Osame of being republican right wingers. Are you that stupid that you can’t understand why someone thinks the democrats are in cahoots with the so called other side?
Where is impeachment?? How many letters, emails, phone calls and faxes have you sent to congress about this to no avail? Who signed on with Kucinich ? Did every democrat? NO NO NO Why do you think things will change with a man who has shown you who he is??? A man who prefers to walk down the middle of the road listing to the right. Don’t forget who let Roberts and Alito on the supreme court which you people conveniently tend to forget.
Go on you fools. Continue to vote for the democrats. They know they have you suckered in hook line and sinker. Your vote is once again in the bag for them and they can continue to accept their little payoffs from aipac, the telecoms, big pharma, the defense and banking industry without a care in the world that their little empire will ever be upset because they have YOU to keep them fat and lazy.
Thanks to your ilk we will all be living lives as slaves because you still believe obama will bring the magic. He AND mccain have nothing to bring you but more tyranny.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2008 at 4:11 pm #
Tony Wicher, July 13 at 10:11 am #
I am suspicious of attacks on Obama supposedly coming from fellow Democrats, and I suspect them of having been instigated by Republican provacateurs. I equally suspect those who say there is no difference, or no significant difference, between Obama and McCain. As far as I am concerned you are all either Republican agents or dupes. You and Carl Rove are singing in the same choir. Anybody who cant see the difference between Obama and McCain is either blind, an idiot, or an agent of disinformation.
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It’s kind of funny that on this, Tony, Cyrena and I are shoulder to shoulder when we usually are at each others’ throats.
One of the disgusting tendencies Truthdig posters use to attack someone they disagree with is accuse that poster and anyone who defends them as being the same person posting under two handles. As if…
It’s gross, childish, and meaningless.
A word to DuncanIdaho—It’s clear you didn’t understand a word I said…defective ghola this time around.
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troublesum, July 13 at 9:44 am #
cyrena reminds me of Ann Coulter.
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A middle-aged Black lady who is VERY left-wing reminds you of an anorexic White radical fascist???
Tell me, does fresh bread remind you of dead deer by the roadside? Does fresh produce make you think of miners buried alive? Do you always make random connections? Does one thing ALWAYS remind you of something totally non-sequitor to it?
Cyrena is a whole woman. That much is obvious.
Report thisThe Coultergeist is no more than 1/3 of a whole woman.
By Louise, July 13, 2008 at 2:27 pm #
I repeat;
“If someone truly wanted to see the madness in DC end, the last thing in the world theyd do is ANYTHING that might put another republican in the White House for four more years.
That would be simple insanity!
When a group, any group, sets out to turn the Democrat Party Campaign into a free-for-all that threatens to divide the party even more, their motives have to be pretty clear.
They WANT a REPUBLICAN in the WHITE HOUSE for FOUR MORE YEARS!”
Likewise, when excuse after excuse for damning the chosen candidate is followed only by more excuses and NO REAL ALTERNATE SOLUTION, it’s pretty obvious, these folks ONLY want to see a republican in the White House for four more years.
By their actions (and words) they define themselves!
Report thisBy rage, July 13, 2008 at 2:14 pm #
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These idiots are wasting their time and their cash. The party has united behind a nominee, whether the handful of pinheads still pissy over Hillary’s loss like him or not. Howard Dean is not about to permit this fiasco to get too much more attention than it has already received, let alone befoul the Denver Convention.
If the DNC had really wanted Hillary, she’d be the nominee now. But, they didn’t, and, obviously, neither did the majority of Democratic voters. So, no matter how artistically these idiots deploy the Hillogical math, Hillary still did not win the most popular votes, the most caucus votes, or the most delegates, coming nowhere close to winning enough of anything to qualify her more than Obama for the nomination. Furthermore, the Dems, too many of whom felt Hillary should have suspended her campaign long before she did, are not likely to tolerate graciously the impudence and divisiveness of this pool of bitter, onery, faux feminist hags whose only interest is enjoying having a first white woman President before the pleasure of a first black President.
Hillary swears she’s now for Obama. We know it’s a ruse to get her bills paid off. Still, she needs to reign in her obnoxious lobotomites, and remind them that her campaign was suspended back in JUNE!! All this recalcitrant petulence does is fuel McCainiac’s Straightjacket Regression all the way to the White House. Face it, if these idiots continue to push this envelope, all Hillary’s going to wind up with is that huge campaign debt fewer and fewer folks are going to be willing to help her pay off, and the eternal hatred of the DNC when the Dems lose the White House one more time. Alas, the Clintons are not bigger than the Party they will still need to keep Hillary in the Senate past 2010.
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, July 13, 2008 at 2:11 pm #
I am suspicious of attacks on Obama supposedly coming from fellow Democrats, and I suspect them of having been instigated by Republican provacateurs. I equally suspect those who say there is no difference, or no significant difference, between Obama and McCain. As far as I am concerned you are all either Republican agents or dupes. You and Carl Rove are singing in the same choir. Anybody who can’t see the difference between Obama and McCain is either blind, an idiot, or an agent of disinformation.
Report thisBy troublesum, July 13, 2008 at 1:44 pm #
cyrena reminds me of Ann Coulter.
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, July 13, 2008 at 1:40 pm #
Re JBlack, July 13 at 3:51 am #
Why castigate Cyrena? I coined “Repiglican”; she was just chiming in. Allow me to defend it. It is deliberately abusive. To me what “Republican” has come to symbolize is the worship of wealth. I do despise the worshipers of the golden calf. This is an election season. They are the political enemy. I want them politically dead. I want their blood. If I could I would like to see Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld at the end of a rope. The only place I want to hear Republican voices after November is coming from the bowels of hell.
Although
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 12:59 pm #
Louise: Rest assured, maani and I are not one and the same.
And for the millionth time. I am not voting for Obama because the two political parties are one and the same. They are both ruled by the globalists. As I’ve said before, I think they will be pleased to have either candidate in the cat bird seat. Particularly obama because he can draw larger crowds for them. So your guy will probably be the winner.. yaaaaay for him, sad for us. Because nothing will change. I repeat, nothing. It matters not who is president. He/she is just a puppet for the shadow government.
Remember the “wizard of oz”? At the end when little toto pulled back the curtain and revealed the “wizard”? ANd the little man who was indeed no not what he appeared to be said, “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”. Well, it’s time everyone pay attention to the man behind the curtain. It’s not who you think it is.
Plus, I don’t even feel secure that they will even “stage” an election this year because martial law is coming to a town near you and me very soon. Check out the links I posted under the “senate passes fisa bill”.
Truly frightening.
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 12:44 pm #
jtblack: “I also want to stress this one point again. After someone here dared to disagree with her she stated that that person was proof that freedom of speech should not be allowed to everyone.”
She really said THAT??? Who was the poster she was replying to?
Report thisBy Louise, July 13, 2008 at 12:11 pm #
Maybe, Maani and Jersey Girl are different titles on the same people, or maybe not. I don’t know. Actually I don’t care. Believe it or not, there have been comments by both of them I have found to be informative and valuable.
I agree gatlinggun6, “It just goes to show you, given an overwhelming chance to win some Democrats would rather shoot each other and let the other side win.”
If someone truly wanted to see the madness in DC end, the last thing in the world they’d do is ANYTHING that might put another republican in the White House for four more years. That would be simple insanity!
When a group, any group, sets out to turn the Democrat Party Campaign into a free-for-all that threatens to divide the party even more, their motives have to be pretty clear. They WANT a REPUBLICAN in the WHITE HOUSE for FOUR MORE YEARS!
By their actions they define themselves!
The popular thing to do, if someone happens to be a dissembler, is to raise endless justification for dissembling. Like “I was a Kucinich supporter.” [So was I, but he aint running anymore, in case nobody noticed] Or Ralph Nader should be president. Or we need a strong independent party. Or, or, or ... no matter. There’s certainly no shortage of excuses for not voting, or destroying a candidates chances of winning.
Ask Karl! He’ll help anyone who wants to, find a few more!
The important thing to remember is, if we are sincere about wanting to see the war in Iraq end, we cant allow another republican in the White House. If we are sincere about wanting to see the economy recover, we cant allow another republican in the White House.
The stakes are too high.
And if we don’t understand, that infighting in the Democrat Party from now until the election will increase the chances we WILL have another republican in the White House, then we must not be sincere.
And of course, insincerity makes people angry.
Meanwhile, as has been pointed out many times for many, many years, if anyone is sincere about wanting a viable third party ... they should ORGANIZE one! Every election cycle it’s the same thing! A lot of bitching and a lot of self-righteousness, and a lot of INACTION!
A viable third party with a viable and electable candidate will NEVER happen, because organizing one is expensive, and hard work. Much easier to play the bitch and moan game.
In any case, the determination to create a dysfunctional democrat party is the goal of those who LIKE the rot in this country! And want it to continue! So please ... don’t pretend to not understand the damage being done, and who is really behind it!
To the sincere, suck it up and get behind the obvious winner of the Democrat Primaries. Or start being honest about who you really support.
Obama may not be the perfect candidate, but then neither is anyone else! No such animal. But Obama is the ONLY candidate who has managed to pull support from every faction of this fractured nation, and that’s a beginning. And beginning is far better than regurgitating the same old shit!
I believe it was Karl Rove who said, “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic.”
Even the so-called historian, Rove couldn’t remember how bad people ALWAYS, eventually “do” under Republican leadership.
By the way, thanks cyrena and Outraged for the dots and the connections. Another bit of light shining on the corruption that defines so-called “conservatism.”
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 11:56 am #
Duncan: spot on ...it IS doublethink.
Gatling: Obama is NO man of peace. He said all options for Iran are on the table including precision strikes. And all in the name of defending Israel not the U.S. He said the same about Pakistan and has said regarding Iraq that it “was the wrong war at the wrong time” Meaning there are “right” wars. And then he proceeded to vote for every spending bill for it thereafter. HYPOCRITE. So I wouldn’t trust him with that button either. He and McCain are the Osame. In fact, the globalists probaby prefer Obama because he can draw in naive sheeple unlike the doddering old man. Don’t worry. If there even ARE elections this year. Your guy will most likely win because of what I just stated above.
JBlack: I’m glad you can also see Cyrena’s dual identity on here. I mean, come on !
She truly is a vicious person. I wonder how many she has chased away from this site? Many, I’m guessing, since just like a rabid right winger, she has no tolerance for dissenting opinions or ideas.
Sounds like she’s been the reigning queen of terror on here for a long time. I guess that distinction has gone to her very bloated,big head.
Report thisBy Sheltiemom, July 13, 2008 at 11:42 am #
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Some of you are showing your age by the childish, insulting, ridiculing comments with you’re sliming this blog. I’m not interested in a Selectee as the Democratic Party nominee for president. I’m interested in somebody with a normal-sized ego - not some shady narcissist, somebody with demonstrated leadership capability, who’s sharp out of the chute on foreign policy, understands and empathizes with every segment of the American population and what the middle/lower income groups have to deal with every day, an somebody who won the biggest and bluest states during the primaries, the popular vote - oh yeah, and the Electoral College map as it stood on June 3rd against the Republican nominee and her Democratic Selectee opponent. Country before Party. When PUMAs growl, we mean it.
Report thisBy cyrena, July 13, 2008 at 10:00 am #
And who the hell is bert?? Ive heard that name mentioned by cyrena before and I had no idea she was referring to me.
I *wasnt* referring to you pit bull. Kind of arrogant for you to make such an assumption. I was simply including you with the rest of your types together. For all intents and purposes, (or at least from what is presented on these forums) youre all the same.
..Cyrena, sure has an underhanded way of suppporting her own opinions and patting herself on the back. I like cyrena LOL Too flippin funny !! ha!
You didnt have to explain that you were new here jersey. Just your comments like the ones above make that really clear to anyone whos been around. Funny how you claim to be able to compare writing styles. But then, maybe thats because all you do is attempt to imitate the styles of others.
And no JG, there’s nothing the LEAST BIT ‘underhanded’ about my approach to anything. I’m about as open and UP FRONT as it gets. Maybe too much sometimes, but there is rarely any question about what I’m saying. Of course you wouldn’t know that, because you don’t read anything beyond ‘talking points’ and pre-recorded BS.
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My first time use of the word repiglicans JBlack. I picked it up from another blogger. My standard term for them has always been re-PUG-licans, because I couldnt find anything convenient enough to combine with repulsive or despicable. Im not a linguist, so Ill set that up as an assignment for those who are more adept at that.
The repugs of this regime are generally who I reference anyway. I dont necessarily lump ALL repugs in with them, because some are simply ignorant, and make their associations to the criminal thugs just because theyve always been repugs, and their daddys were repugs, and their daddys before them. They become brainwashed with repug stuff, and so they call themselves repugs, and they vote for people like Dick Bush, just because they happen to be associated with the repug party, or because they are supposedly conservative. In reality, that has long ceased to be. There may in fact be some republicans that still consider themselves to be conservative, but the Dick Bush regime isnt conservative. Theyre as RADICAL as any administration weve had in over a century. Because, radical is radical, whether it be to the left or the right. And when it gets THIS radical, its hard to really determine if its right or left. Its insanity, and insanity goes either way.
It’s unfortunate that you’re so stuck on the word ‘bigot’ but maybe not a surprise. It doesnt describe me however, not even by a long-shot. Thats why its laughable for anyone who knows me. You dont. Let me say that again JBlack. YOU DONT. That’s why it’s even MORE unfortunate that you’ve chosen to harass me and stalk me in such an obsessive way, as evidenced by your latest lecture.
Save your lectures and your bullshit JBlack. I think I suggested that to you before. So, let’s avoid me having to expose you again. It would not be a pretty thing. This has happened before, to another poster displaying this same criminally psychotic behavior. It would appear that youre back, but that won’t be for long, if you don’t heed these warnings.
Let me say this again JBlack. Keep your very personal bullshit lectures to yourself. Weve been through this before. DO NOT ADDRESS ME JBlack. Do not refer to me or otherwise project any of this psychotic behavior on this blog -to me- because you will find that you wont have that choice that you have now, to just keep slapping the lithium away. Youll find yourself confined to a facility that will make sure you take it.
Youre treading on very dangerous ground in your post #168868. Last warning. Leave it alone.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2008 at 9:14 am #
GatlingGun6:
Great post! It’s been true this ENTIRE electoral season that the ONLY way Democrats can be beaten in November is to commit suicide. And, as usual there are minions of Democrats ready, willing and able to commit suicide for a “higher principle”—Exhibit A: Jersey Girl.
DuncanIdaho—go back to sleep for another 1000 years till they can grow a ghola with a brain.
I don’t particularly like Cyrena, nor she me. I won’t say “I like Cyrena” and she won’t say “I like ITW”. That’s OK. That’s life.
But I agree with her 100% on Obama. Political power and influence are achieved by creating COALITIONS!
“COALITION” seems to be a dirty word to all the extremists here. “COALITION” means you don’t agree on lots of things, but you find common cause to agree on for the most important or critical thing. You put aside your differences.
Here’s an example of a coalition on a little thing. Jesse Helms and his arch-enemy, Gov. Jim Hunt, worked together to save the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse. Why? Because BOTH saw it as an important North Carolina landmark that was in serious danger. So they put aside their EXTREME differences and even personal dislike to achieve something they both thought was important.
That’s what a coalition is.
Now, we face the election of a man who promises to poison the well of the Supreme Court jurisprudence for the next generation, which will destroy our nation, our Constitution and our last vestige of rights. Yet we who oppose him can’t all walk in the same direction to get Obama elected instead.
I’d LIKE a good, strong capable President. But, as an American, the MOST important effect the President has is the judges he leaves behind in the Federal courts and on the Supreme Court. The legacy of George Bush here is devastating, but STILL not beyond hope. There’s still room and time to fix it.
But not if John McCain is making the appointments.
If you don’t see that, you are damned fools.
(BTW—TW had a great one-liner—ROFLMAO!)
Report thisBy jackpine savage, July 13, 2008 at 8:34 am #
Does anyone remember, way back…many news cycles ago…when the thought was that Obama would come close but Clinton would eke it out (perhaps at the convention)? There was a great deal of hand wringing about whether the AA community would be up in arms and defect, en masse, from the Democratic Party.
Boy, that was a long time ago. Now the worry is that a bunch of foot stomping, breath holding, narcissistically self-entitled boomers will be the rioters. 1968 was a long time ago, i don’t think that they’ve still got it. (I don’t think that they had ‘it’ then either, but that’s besides the point.)
Besides, Americans don’t know how to protest or riot. The Koreans, now they know how to protest. The French and the Russians are pretty good rioters when it’s time to roll. It will all be anticlimactic in the end; that good ole boomer “we’re not gonna take it” radicalism will fail a second time before shuffling off to check its portfolio from the safety of suburbia.
Report thisBy jersey girl, July 13, 2008 at 8:30 am #
jblack: Since I no longer read Cyrena’s boring posts filled with hateful words towards those who disagree I have no idea what you are referring to specifically. Apparently she has been badmouthing me again as evidenced by Outraged and Louise’s posts who I do read and will no longer for a reason I state below.
To both Louise & especially Outraged: I am no Hillary supporter. I was for Kucnich all the way. In fact, his bumper sticker is still in my rear car window because I refuse to take it out. And no, I’m not a wimpy democrat. I could go head to head with any right winger and not back down, so yea, pit bull does apply. That’s exactly what Kucinich does and Nader does and McKinney does and that is why I support them. I could never support a republican appeaser like your St. Osame. The man makes me ill the way he kowtows to the wingnuts.
And who the hell is “bert”?? I’ve heard that name mentioned by cyrena before and I had no idea she was referring to me. I am new to this board. The name jersey girl is the only one i have ever used here.
As for names and whos who. Outraged, if you aren’t cyrena you sure sound like her clone. Your style of writing is similar to the point of sounding copy catish. So my guess is that it is indeed cyrena. Louise too.
Cyrena, sure has an underhanded way of suppporting her own opinions and patting herself on the back. ” I like cyrena” LOL Too flippin funny !! ha!
PS: Good for the Denver group. Democracy in action…open it for ALL the candidates not just Hillary. Super delegates indeed. sheesh.
Report thisBy kat in your hat, July 13, 2008 at 6:47 am #
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The Denver Group:
FEC recognized 527 group.
Their goals are:
* An open convention.
* Not just Senator Clintons name on the ballot, but to have her up for official nomination.
* Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on behalf of her candidacy.
* A roll call vote.
* No coronation
*They want to make ads to be shown in the mass media.
*They want to make sure the Democratic party stays democratic
Report thisPUMA!
PUMA!!
PUMA!!!!!!!!
By Outraged, July 13, 2008 at 5:37 am #
Re: Cyrena
Funny you should make this comment: “the jersey pit bull, the old bert, (dont know if she may or may not be one of the others in a different pantsuit),”
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Call it fate if you will, whatever… but jersey girl’s verbiage has that STRIKING resemblance to “bert”. And as I was alluding to on another post, Maani could easily pass for Tucker Carlson, its as if he wrote “the script” ... Hmmmm.. Not to be crude…oh, well sometimes it’s okay…isn’t it..? But I think Tucker Carlson is just a major fuckwad who has his head so FAR up Murdoch’s ass that it could rightly be considered…well…FRIGHTENING.
As an aside, I “decided” to Google Tucker Carlson… for kicks and grins….you know. Check this out:
Wikipedia: “Tucker Carlson is one of the sons of Richard Warner Carlson, a former banker, Los Angeles local news anchor, U.S. ambassador to the Seychelles, director of the U.S. Information Agency, and president of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting”
and,
“Carlson began his journalism career as a member of the editorial staff of Policy Review, a national conservative journal now published by the Hoover Institution. He later worked as a reporter at the regionally influential Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper in Little Rock, Arkansas.”
>Was that LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS..? Is anyone having deja vu here..? Why..truth be told..there’s all kinds of “celestial events” which happen to have their birthplace in, as Engdahl put it, “little ol’ Little Rock. Remember…
“The largest shareholder in D&PL;is the Stephens Group of Little Rock, Arkansas. Here is where things become interesting indeed.
The man who is Chairman of the Board of DP&L;is Jon E.M. Jacoby, who came to DP&L;as representative of the Stephens Group. Jacoby is a Director and Vice Chairman of The Stephens Group LLC, the Arkansas-based private equity firm owned by the Stephens family.
The Stephens Group prides itself on being the nation’s largest investment bank outside Wall Street, based, of all places, in little ol’ Little Rock, in hillbilly land, Arkansas, one of the poorest states in the United States. Stephens Inc. is also one of the biggest institutional shareholders in 30 large multinationals including the Arkansas based firms Tyson Food, the worlds largest chicken industrial factory operation and the infamous Arkansas giant, Wal-Mart.
Jackson Stephens, who founded the group with his brother, Witt, were more than just lucky Arkansas bankers and billionaires. Stephens evidently built his career and fortune by being connected to the right people. He was a US Naval Academy classmate of Jimmy Carter and during the Georgia bank scandals of President Carters Office of Management & Budget chief, Bert Lance, it was Jack Stephens who stepped in to bail Lance out of an extremely embarrassing financial debacle with Lances old bank, National Bank of Georgia.
How Stephens helped Jimmy Carters fellow Georgia buddy, Lance, is the interesting part. Stephens introduced Lance to a Pakistani businessman, Agha Hasan Abedi. Abedi was the founder of a curious Luxembourg-registered, London-based bank called BCCI.
In 1990, BCCI was convicted of money laundering for the Columbian Cocaine Cartels in Miami.
In October, 1992, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee released an 800-page report on the BCCI collapse. They called the BCCI scandal, the largest case of organized crime in history, spanning over some 72 nations, adding that it represented an international financial crime on a massive and global scale, and that the bank systematically bribed world leaders and political figures throughout the world.”
If you haven’t already read this it a MUST read:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3082
Some backdrop concerning BCCI:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,973481-1,00.html
There’s more with the BCCI, I’ll find it, you betcha…
Report thisBy cyrena, July 13, 2008 at 3:47 am #
Ah Tony
..Well, here come the Repiglican swift boaters, and disgruntled leftists and feminists are hopping aboard. It should be a TV show called McCains Navy
You took the words out of my mouth, and of course since your post, Outraged and Louise have fleshed it out even more. As Outraged says things are becoming clearer. Indeed they are.
Filling in even more of the blanks, let us reflect back. Hillary is a repiglican herself, so these Repiglican swift-boaters are not just coming out. Theyve been with us a long time now, as far back as Maanis first appearance, along with others who have joined up since, or simply changed their user IDs. That would include troublesum, the jersey pit bull, the old bert, (dont know if she may or may not be one of the others in a different pantsuit), and some drop-ins that they arrange for. So, this is merely a new phase of the same operation that began as Hillarys kitchen sink, including many of the same operatives. And, like Outraged, Ive seen/heard rumblings of this elsewhere.
The point here is the same as it has been since day one. Hillary=Republican=McCain. In fact, weve known from the beginning of the campaign, that Hillary and McCain are hybrid Siamese Twins. In the larger plan from the beginning, we the people were pre-programmed to have one choice. A repug, whether it be McCain or Hilliary the Hipyo-Snake, but a repuglican no matter what. The Clintons made that pretty clear, even in the campaign, as McCain continued to get a pass. Even poor old Bill messed up several times, once in a speech to some veterans’ group, in explaining how much Hillary and McCain agreed. Then he had to catch himself, and back track, and say that they disagreed on foreign policy, except of course they DO NOT. Theyre both hawks, and maintain the same goals of US hegemony via military force.
But then, that Obama fella came along, and initiated a revolution of we the people. That would be the we of the silent majority that arent having any more of this same dynasty that has ruined us, and sent us flying over the proverbial cliff, as they also destroy the rest of the globe in the same operation.
In short, there has never been any distinguishable difference between Hillary and McCain, from even before the campaign began. I might add that they both were approved by AIPAC and the Israelis long before the primaries even kicked in. (Actually, the old cross dresser Guiliani was the first choice by Israelis for the repug ticket, and Hill the Hypo was their first choice for the Dem ticket, as published by Haartz nearly a year ago, maybe longer.) Still, they settled for McCain easily enough for that part of the repug operation.
But then came the groundswell of we the people, carrying Obama. Oopps As Louise said, THAT wasnt supposed to happen. So theyve taken on a variety of Swiftboat tactics, such as the call to reject any major party candidate, when they really mean, vote for McCain, because a vote for anyone other than Obama is the same. (of course the malcontents dont get that Obama is the only diversion from the old two-party system in effect for decades, because hes working it from within, along with the rest of us who are trying to put progressives in the mix from the local levels.) The repugs of course, just love having these confused non-souls on board.
Yep. Things continue to become clear, for those with good vision and dot-connecting skills.
Now Im curious enough to investigate this operation, just for the hell of it. More dot-connecting, even though I honestly do have better things to do, or maybe I should say more immediately pressing things to do. Still, it might prove valuable to a larger project, later down the road.
Meantime for Louise and Outraged, thanks for the moral support. Looks like we have to just keep on doing this hard work, eh?
Report thisBy gatlinggun6, July 13, 2008 at 1:55 am #
It just goes to show you, given an overwhelming chance to win some Democrats would rather shoot each other and let the other side win. Please people I’m open to anyone who can explain something to me that makes even the smallest degree of sense:
1.) Why would anyone who profess to have been for any of the Democratic candidates at the beginning of the primaries now be so angry with the winner until they would consider voting for John McCain, staying at home and not voting at all, or actively working to turn the Democratic National Convention into a showcase of disunity. What is more important to you returning a Democrat, any Democrat, to the White House or continuing Replublikan imperial rule.
2.) Can we please drop the emotions and personal investments in a particular candidate and state unequivocally how John McCain would be a better President than Barack Obama? Please state the qualities McCain may have that rises above what Obama has already demonstrated. If you say McCain is strong on National Security, Military affairs, or foreign affairs please explain definitively. What exactly does it mean? Give us some examples? If you say John McCain is a man of honor and great character please explain how a man with both those qualities could have slept around on an ailing spouse, and was making plans to marry another woman before he had even filed for divorce. Would that same person would have gone on to officially lie about the facts of his affair. Let’s not forget that Cindy was not the only woman McCain was talking up while still married to his ailing wife. Btw, please tell me how a honorable woman, Cindy McCain, would be running around with a married man who has an ailing wife. She is someone some people are saying young girls can look up to, really? Not my daughter. Also tell me how a man of honor and great character could be so busy with himself until he does not notice and has no idea his spouse, Cindy, is a drug addict and stealing from her own charity.
3.) If you know anything about what really happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis answer the following: If a President Obama or McCain had been in the room instead of President Kennedy; what would have happened when General Curtis LeMay and others almost demanded a massive air attack and ground assault of Cuba. Which of those 2 men would have been more likely to agree and green light the attack, McCain or Obama? and why?
There are other things I could ask, but I’ll settle for a reply to the above. I am not calling anyone names or denigrating anyone, please just make me understand. Is any exchange of thoughts possible without histrionics?
(A lie never lasts forever) Maybe MLK said that.
Report thisBy heavyrunner, July 13, 2008 at 12:42 am #
These people are either disingenuous or stupid. Clinton lost. She would not make as good a candidate as Obama.
She did not do a good job of choosing subordinates and advisers in her campaign. This shows that she would not make a very good president.
Obama is displaying the qualities of being the best candidate the Democrats have had for a long time. We need to close ranks behind him, and I believe that that is what is going to happen.
Report thisBy Louise, July 12, 2008 at 10:41 pm #
Good point outraged.
In fact I’m a little surprised he hasn’t shown up here yet. Feminists are a strange lot. They just can’t figure out why being bone headed stubborn, and name-calling and general rage doesn’t get them the respect they think they’ve earned.
Meanwhile women all over the world quietly go about doing whatever they have to do to overcome life’s obstacles. As do so many men who suffer discrimination.
I like cyrena too.
Report thisBy Outraged, July 12, 2008 at 9:44 pm #
I was reading rumors of this here and there around the net the other day. I figured it was probably true given the sources and the fact that Maani “suddenly” graced us with his presence a shortly before that. Will wonders never cease. You’d have to be a dam fool to take H.Clinton over Obama… THIS STILL HOLDS TRUE.
Re: Maani
Oh, before I forget, I never got back to you regarding your “flummoxation”, this is why I made that “inside” comment…maybe you didn’t catch the article the first time around. (scroll to the comments)
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20080504_boston_legal_on_democrat_drama/
BTW Maani, your recent “don’t we wish we would’ve voted for Clinton” garbage wasn’t fooling anyone. This was the SECOND clue something was up. Pathetic.
Also Maani, your SO friendly nature with jersey girl and her “attack dog tactics” certainly made ME question why she would be a Nader supporter. They are rarely cut from that mold. Independant thinkers maybe, can hold their own in an argument and such, but rarely vicious. So jersey girl just doesn’t cut the mustard either besides she “showed up” at the “right” time just like you.
In addition, I like Cyrena and the two of you do not. Hmmm…. things are becoming clearer..
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, July 12, 2008 at 9:07 pm #
Well, here come the Repiglican swift boaters, and disgruntled leftists and feminists are hopping aboard. It should be a TV show called ‘McCain’s Navy”.
Report thisBy Mark, July 12, 2008 at 9:07 pm #
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A new slogan for Obama campaign “Flip-flop we can believe in”.
No wonder that even his most ardent followers are starting to feel somewhat shortchanged.
Report thisBy Louise, July 12, 2008 at 8:33 pm #
Oh!
Well there’s a surprise!
Not ...
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