RE:samosamo

Sorry, that last link in my previous post got mangled in the transmission.

Here is another:

In late January 2008, a secret paramilitary group (formerly?) allied with America was busted in Turkey. Thirteen members of a shadowy right-wing group in Turkey were charged with “forming an armed terrorist group in order to provoke members of the public into armed revolt against the government.”

In Europe, the American government actively sought to eliminate political opposition to its fascist world plans through the use of open violent repression and covert terroristic “false flag” attacks upon popular patriotic resistance movements and their leaders.......

Full Story:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va& aid=8001

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

RE:samosamo

A great many Europeans don’t believe the ‘official’ smoke-screen version of 9/11.

The best inet publication I could locate at the moment is from - The Annotico Report:
http://www.annoticoreport.com/2007/12/francesco-cossig a-ex-italian-president.html

Another source:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.ph p/2007/12/21/p21997

Here is a recent GLADIO operation caught red handed-

In late January 2008, a secret paramilitary group (formerly?) allied with America was busted in Turkey. Thirteen members of a shadowy right-wing group in Turkey were charged with “forming an armed terrorist group in order to provoke members of the public into armed revolt against the government.”

Link:
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/gladio- –-death-plan-for-democracy-by-peter-chamberlin/

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

By zeitgeist, July 15 at 8:52 pm #

Ya think this would be in any english news around the world?

These people just don’t give a sh*t!

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Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.

In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:

“All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”
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There are indications that Enron and the White House were working closely with the Taliban—including Osama bin Laden—up to weeks before the Sept. 11 attack. Why was the bin Laden family, swiftly whisked out of the country, immediately following the events of 9/11?

And yes Saudi & Eqyptian names were used as patsies, to blackmail the prince for his oil, saying, this is what we can do to you also...shock-N-awe!

9/11 was a ‘rouge’ GLADIO-CIA styled false-flag operation utilized to ignite the necessary psychodrama that has swept and permeated the public mind into accepting the all consuming global war on terror, a bloody cover for imperial madness…money and power! Think Oliver North type covert ops run from VP Bush, in sleepy Ray-gun’s basement, but this time, Cheney’s basement along with all the neocon planners. Bush II has simply been the epitome of Marx’s ‘useful idiot’ for this neocon agenda.

I say, reopen the investigations into Enron/Cheney, because this might be the very thread to pull that will unravel the cloak of 9/11.

Dear Barack, WAKE UP and Stand Tall! If not, these very same shadows will ride you to ‘THEIR’ finish line and the rest of us into the abyss!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

By Fadel Abdallah, July 12 at 9:27 pm

Deception relative to who, the enemy or the people of the country that is going to war?

Any country that goes to war would or should follow the chinese’s Sun Tzu’s instructions from ‘The Art of War’ where most if not all parts of war uses deception to overcome its enemies.
In the case of the US the deception is used against us the citizens to make us believe we need to be at war.

samo: I know what you’re feeling. I agree totally that you can only compare whats happening here to nazi germany, including the mindset of the people. Lest we forget, we couldn’t get here without the support of the so called “opposition party” and ignorance of the general populace as well.

I hope you do watch that video. There is hope knowing there are many of us fighting the good fight and spreading the word.  Our numbers are growing but must grow larger and more of us must become involved because the clock is ready to strike midnight.

A quiz!

Which entity in the world has the following as its motto?

“BY WAY OF DECEPTION WE WILL WAGE WARS!”

By Howard, July 12 at 6:15 am #

Inside job?  You mean inside Saudi Arabia, of course. The majority of the hijacker/terrorists were from there.

What kind of nonsense are you spouting ?  Telling us the people on the planes were giving out false info on the hijackers before they lost their lives?

And who are you, the expert, with such unknown knowledge. Your credentials, mr. expert.
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9/11 can be both an inside or outside job, depending on how you look at it! If you consider Israel the fifty-first most privileged state of the USA, then it is 100 % an inside job. However, if you consider Israel a foreign country, then it would be an outside job. I guess this way of looking at it will satisfy the two contending theories about 9/11!

jersey girl, July 12 at 10:47 am

I couldn’t watch this whole thing. When I see those fat boy cops grinning and trying to exert fear over these people wanting the truth and the people in each others face just gets me to bent out of shape. There could be no other comparison than the brown shirts on Kristol nach night(or whatever) in nazi germany when hitler decided to go after the jews and the others he wanted rounded up. I cannot help be relate that to what has been going on in this country since at least the think tank years that were created starting in the nixon administration where the neocons and far right wingers started their ploting, planning and scheming for power and the carrying out the ‘contract with america’ bullshit they set up as a way to ‘save’ america.
To me this bodes very ill for this country and I doubt that just winning an election(if one held)in november will get this country back on to a democratic type of government. It will need help from the rest of the world, a world that would probably not mind seeing this country crash, even if it would be in the interest of the world to help in gainning control over these very very dangerous people. And also makes me think about the how wide will the divide get between people that either don’t know or care and the people that know and care and the other 11% that things couldn’t be better. This lends creedence to what you can expect when one is apathetic to politics and don’t get involved because the criminal element in any society will gain control and usurp it unless there is eternal vigilance.
Thanks for the link, I will get around to watching all of some time but man, am I pissed off and do I ever feel like we are really starting to slip into a very bad nightmare of reality with a prick like w as emperor.

We did the same thing in Iraq earlier in Bush’s war. Only it was a wedding party in the Kurdish North and there were more than fifty civilians killed or wounded. Sorry I cant find the link. The excuse was “intelligence” provided the target of a large gathering of “insurgents,” which turns out was a large gathering of family’s of the bride and groom. OUR mainstreammedia didn’t much care then either.

At least this time they have the excuse of a missile going off track ... not a very good excuse, but an excuse. Problem is, it’s to easy to fight war long distance. Not that easy to be as precise as you would be facing the target on the ground.

And you can bet those pilots will show up with PTSD at some point in time. Even when they don’t see the victim of the “accident” the knowledge can really muck up the head.

Samo:  Sorry I gave u the wrong link.. Here is the movie.

Try this:  http://www.google.com/s2/sharing/stuff?user=1004798174 98865960674

Samo: Thanks I have seen that excellent movie by “sophia”. I find the part about the construction heard going on BETWEEN floors very eerie and disturbing.  The facts are laid out exceptionally well.

I think I’ve seen just about every 9/11 video out there by now.  There is a new one that I just watched called 9/11 truth rising.  You can watch it here:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+truth+rising&sitesearch; =#

I highly recommend it.

jersey girl, July 12 at 6:36 am

I don’t have answers and neither does anyone else except the perpetrators but here is what I consider a very unique look into the ‘mysteries’ of 9/11 and it could all be use as investigative points in a real and total investigation into 9/11. A lot of your Question are addressed in this.

http://100777.com/911/coincidences
or
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308 136871&q=911+mysteries&total=996&start=0&nu m=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Patrick: “here is a bigger hand in this, not the Israeli hand that I see.”

I agree. Much bigger....

re: jersey girl, July 12 at 6:36 am #

the U.S. government is in forced denial about the events of 9/11.  If Israeli complicity were proven with Cheney and his neocons, heads would roll in this country. Legal and and military actions would taken against Israel and its supporters by the U.S.

I would be interesting to see how IDF soldiers that are use to bullying Palestinian goat herders and rock throwing kids fare against a first rate army.  Since before the book of Ruth, the tribes of Israel have relied on propaganda, deceit, lies and treachery to start and end their battles.  They never win them.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are doomed to failure as both are fruits of the poisonous tree, they are based on propaganda, deceit, lies and treachery, We cannot win them no matter how valorous our soldiers are. 

There is a bigger hand in this, not the Israeli hand that I see.

Howard:  Just a few questions I’ve had since the morning of 9/11.. Perhaps you can answer them for me since the government hasnt:

1. Why didn’t jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?  Where was NORAD?  How was the pentagon, the most protected bldg in the world hit over an hour after the towers?

2.  Why didn’t the Secret Service hustle bush out of the classroom?

3.  Speaking of the pentagon, where is the video with the plane hitting it?  And where IS the plane wreckage.  The lawn was pristine.

4. Where is the wreckage from flight 93 on site? No plane, no bodies, no luggage...yet debris from the plane is scattered miles away

5.  How did they come up with the “terrorists” so quickly? Especially considering they were so caught “off guard” on 9/11?(ha!)

6. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?

7. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed?

8. How did a hijackers passport miraculously appear near the WTC, intact and perfectly readable amongst all the burnt and powderded debris? Who found it and what time?

9. Why did Atta leave his drivers license in a rental car?  You really think terrorists supposedly smart enough to overcome the defense systems of the u.s. would be THAT stupid???

AND THOSE HOWARD ARE JUST A FEW DISCREPANCIES !  How about how two steel frame buildings collapsed at near free fall speed after many explosions were reported by news people and first responders? AND WTC 7 falling the same way, with only small fires inside and not even being hit by an airplane!  The owner of that building said on tv that he ordered to “pull it”.

WAKE UP HOWARD.  Don’t count yourself amongst the sheeple. Do your own research.

INVESTIGATE 9/11 It is the basis for war and the loss of our civil liberties.  The bush crime family and it’s allies (israel for one) must be exposed.

Inside job?  You mean inside Saudi Arabia, of course. The majority of the hijacker/terrorists were from there.

What kind of nonsense are you spouting ?  Telling us the people on the planes were giving out false info on the hijackers before they lost their lives?

And who are you, the expert, with such unknown knowledge. Your credentials, mr. expert.

bill: 9/11 was an inside job. Open your eyes.  Wake up. Go do some flippin research.  Your government lied to you.  The 9/11 commission was a white wash!  Look up Project for the New American Century and read anything on the subject by David Ray Griffin. 

How in the name of hell can people be so gullible?

Glennoe, July 11 at 5:55 pm

“..that combatants are interspersing themselves amongst civilians? Have you figured out what the outcome of that will be? There ‘accidents’ will cease when civilians do not allow militants to hide amongst them. Now, what part of this do you not understand? “
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More like what part of the Geneva Conventions do YOU *NOT* understand asshole? What part of ‘rules of occupation’ and ‘war law’ don’t you understand? Have we figured out what the ‘outcome’ will be if we just get the hell out of where we DO NOT BELONG?
“Combatants’ my ass. If they are in THEIR country, the US does NOT have a right to designate ANYBODY as a ‘combatant’. There was NO SUCH THING as an ‘illegal enemy combatant’ until Dick Bush Rumsfeld made it up. How about if we weren’t THERE? Then these so-called ‘combatants’ wouldn’t be allegedly ‘interspersing’ themselves amongst civilians, now WOULD they? They ARE civilians, and Afghanistan, just like ALL OF THE OTHER nation states where the US military routinely targets so-called ‘terrorists’ and only kills women and children, are sovereign nation states.
We should put a real emphasis as well, on the ‘questioningly’ in Patrick Henry’s post here:

“..Actually it was a bunch of Saudi’s and a Yemeni who questionably did 9/11.”

The reality is, we don’t even have any legitimate PROOF that it was Saudi’s and a Yemeni. That’s only what the Dick Bush team is telling us, from information supposedly gained from Khalid Sheik Mohammed. And he’s been TORTURED out of his mind, to the extent that he’s confessed to everything under the sky and the ocean. So let’s be just really clear on that. There was never a connection to the terrorists of 9/11 and Afghanistan any more than there was to the Saddam Hussein in Iraq. (and we KNOW there was no al-Qaeda in Iraq) There is NO proof that the tiny group of people calling themselves al-Qaeda, (less than 300) was responsible for 9/11. That’s what the ‘real’ terrorists are telling us, even including a supposed notice that was ignored. “bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside US.” Well, he might have ‘planned’ it at one time, but for all we know, Dick Rumsfeld could very well have beat him to it. So, we don’t even know that al-Qaeda had anything to do with the disappearance of 4 commercial jet liners, or the destruction of the WTC.

So, exactly how does that justify any US military presence AT ALL, in any sovereign state in the Middle East or anywhere else? It doesn’t.

As an aside to the sane ones here, I just received a message from a friend and fellow blogger who tells me that she read that the Red Cross was planning to bring charges against this administration for war crimes. I haven’t had a chance to look it up yet, but I’m going to now. This should have been done by the UN long, long, ago. But of course that couldn’t happen as long as this same thug regime was controlling it as well, stripping it of any legitimacy by highjacking it too.

So, we’ll see what I can find. That might give me a little hope for some accountability, not to mention getting the US military out of the murder business.
Glennoe here as much as says that the targeting of all these women and children was intentional, with the implied THREAT that these ‘accidents’ would continue to happen as long as ‘combatants’ were interspersing themselves in the civilian population. Glennoe sounds like just another war criminal himself.

I like to read the comments sections on TruthDig and in the corporate media more for the ignorant comments of the reich-wingers than I do for the faithful fulminators in the reality-based community. People like “Bill” and “Glennoe”—they amuse (and also horrify) me, because that kind of twisted logic is hard for me to even imagine. That’s saying a lot, because I do hospital work with patients who are literally demented and insane. But I find the diagnosed mental defectives are easier to comprehend than warped people sitting at a computer spinning lies from truth.

It’s sad that the American people don’t get the truth through their lapdog media, or can’t handle the truth if by chance they do get exposed to it. Yet they still lie to themselves that they have the free-est media in the world. The truth is out there, but you have to be willing to look for it. There arer still many wankers who aren’t.

In my response post below to Bill, the word “bigot” was misspelled as “begot.” I apologize on behalf of the “check spelling” mechanism of my computer!

By jersey girl, July 11 at 3:53 pm #

Damn, what the hell does the U.S. Military have against weddings? Isn’t this the second or third wedding party that they’ve annihilated?

Accident? I think not. Any civilian is a target and I suppose killing 47 in one fell swoop puts a lot of feathers in a lot of caps.

I’m with Patrick Henry.. get out of their country. NOW
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Well, jersey girl! I have an answer to your question!

Those macho pilots are, in fact, a bunch of cowards who hide behind their superior weapons of mass destruction. So when they see a crowd, any crowd, they panic, and they react to this panic with the trigger-happy attitude they were trained to use. Every moving thing they see as an enemy, and more so when this moving thing is a crowd in a country where they are as marauders occupiers!

Though marauders occupiers go out of their way to project macho power against the powerless natives, in reality, they wet their pants when they are caught unprepared to face any unarmed member of the natives!

By Bill, July 11 at 4:33 pm #
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Did your forget, this guys killed 3000 Americans most of them civilians, despite all our support for their fight against Russians.
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Bill, you’re a stupid ignorant and hateful begot! You don’t belong to an enlightened blog like the TD.

re: Bill, July 11 at 4:33 pm #

Actually it was a bunch of Saudi’s and a Yemeni who questionably did 9/11.  The local Afghan’s were merely hospitible to them for having financially supported and fought next to them against the Soviets.

re: Glennoe, July 11 at 5:55 pm #

Rules of engagement preclude firing on civilians
regardless of the situation.

We’re overstaying our welcome, the bad guys are in Guantanamo, we need to put an end to this.

that combatants are interspersing themselves amongst civilians? Have you figured out what the outcome of that will be? There ‘accidents’ will cease when civilians do not allow militants to hide amongst them. Now, what part of this do you not understand?

Damn, what the hell does the U.S. Military have against weddings? Isn’t this the second or third wedding party that they’ve annihilated?

Accident? I think not. Any civilian is a target and I suppose killing 47 in one fell swoop puts a lot of feathers in a lot of caps.

I’m with Patrick Henry.. get out of their country. NOW

Another of these “friendly fire” instances and the local populace will turn on U.S. soldiers.

Pay the families, build a hospital or school (with funding) in their honor and get out of the country.

We don’t belong there.

You’re right again Samosamo, beginning with how this will never make it to US MSM. It never does. And that’s why American’s remain clueless to what it being done in their names, and then become indignant when we’re attacked, because to them...it’s like ‘out of the blue’.

Meantime, this just makes me see red..

“Karzai has pleaded repeatedly for western troops to take care not to harm civilians, and in December wept during a speech lamenting civilian deaths at the hands of foreign forces.”

The poor guy is virtually powerless. He’s pleaded, and it’s obvious that nobody gives a damn how long or hard he pleads. The US will continue to destroy people at will, in Afghanistan, Iraq, or anywhere else hegemonic mission puts them.

We just have not started flying sorties in this country yet.
How do you respond to such outrage when your military is responsible? Of course it will not happen in this country, we make sure it happens in other countries. And it is more horrible in that the military will brush it off as ‘collateral damage’, no one will be held responsible and no ‘heads will roll’. As a matter of fact the pilot(s) are still flying and winning one for the ‘gipper’ to keep america safe and secure behind a vail of no information or disinformation.
I have not seen this on any msm sites and probably won’t either. And this is NOT the first time this has happened and will contribute to any blowback america gets because america basically doesn’t know this happened and people will think we are being attacked for no apparent reason.
It is a great cover for our criminal actions around the world and to have our people support our attacks on others because we are led to believe by our government and military that we were just walking down the street when we were all of a sudden attacked for no reason being another imperialistic characteristic for influencing our dumbed out populace.