The story of pistols. The history of small arms. http://www.cneat.ru/bullet-3-en.html

The maleficent American shooting school has a strong negative effect on the training and the morale of the armed forces (the customers) – “the enemy needs not only to be killed, but to be torn apart”. A pistol is a standard weapon borne by the personnel of the force structures and the man-hating propaganda gradually becomes the philosophy of the whole society…

Actually the foundations of rapproachmant started during the Carter administartion. Harold Brown also met Iraqi officials. Not to mention the old zionist murderer, Henry Kissinger.

With white house encouragment several high level businessmen attended a Baghdad business conference where new business and commercial ties were established.

The Reagan admin just picked up where Cater had left.

According to Kissinger the best possible outcome was the continuation of the war, the exhaustion of the two countries human and material respources and etc….

However, since they did not foresee a major and effective Iranian opposition to the war their initial plan that was sold to various powers and individuals was the following:

1- A fast Iraqi occupation of key Iranian territory including Khuzistan and a strip of land from Abadan all the way to the staright of homuz.

2- Various Iranian military forces that were supposed to head to the front to confront Iraqi troops would turn around and head back to Tehran to stage a bloody coup and overthrow the revolution.

3- Former premier Bakhtiar was supposed to return and be installed in power.

4- Former military and intelligence officers from the shah’s regime were supposed to return and take over key military posts.

The rest you can figure out on your own. No need to delve deeper.

What turned the tide was the reaction of Iranian massess and the revolutionaries and how they managed to neutralize all the above mentioned conspiracies.

We provided full support to Saddam during his entire war with Iran.

The Iranians were facing economic sanctions and military sanctions by us. All their previously American supplied weaponary was useless when they could not get spare parts. Hence they turned to reverse engineering and using existing hardware as spare parts.

The Iran-Contra event is a prime example of Iran and US getting in a dangerous game of brinkmanship trying to outfox each other for specific objectives and at the end the Reagan administartion was worst off for it.

Refer to William Colby’s book “The secret CIA wars, 1980-1987” he outlines our role very clearly and I dont need to rehash it here.

The use of chemical weapons by Iraq against Iran was fully sanctioned at the highest levels of our government and the last time the Iraqis used chemical weapons against Iranian troops was in the Fao island.

Later, Saddam sent a message to Iran that unless they accept the UN resolution to end the war Saddam was going to use chemical weapons against major Iranian cities with full backing of US, Europe and others.

Since the Iranians had already seen the support provided to Saddam by the civilized international community with no noteworthy condemnation from the human rights groups as he used chemical weapons against the Kurds and the Iranians with no consequence, that was the key reason why Iran finally accepted the truce.

Rus, you still owe me what you been smoking.

Rus7355, here is some info you might find enlightening!

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html

Following an investigation and a report by Admiral William Fogarty , considered by some as flawed and a cover-up, Commander William C. Rogers III and his crew were exonerated and SUBSEQUENTLY DECORATED.

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/USS:Vincennes:CG:49.htm

JerseyGirl, your old coot Manchurian McCainiac is the joke in this conversation. Him and you, 0f course, Jerseygirl. The intelligent and peace-loving among us are all laughing right in your face. After all, you must be joking to think that old fool, who flew right into harm’s way to make AntiAmerikan videos for 5 years in VC captivity and bondage flix, has the necessary resume to qulify him to develop and deliver efficacious answers to issues surrounding the restoration of Middle Eastern stability. C’mon! Obama can’t be that unlikably black. His mom was a white woman. Seriously! Nuking a sovereign nation that poses no threat to you on a hegemonic humbug is not good diplomacy. It’s the equivalent of the big dumb bully beating to death the pesty little rock-throwing kindergartner he could have just as easily disarmed and taken to the brat’s parents, you xenophobic ignoramous. Eventually, everyone on the playground gangs up to beat down the bully!

Israel is not threatened by Iran. Next to us and Russia, Israel has the most nukes in the Middle East. If Israel really needed to defend herself against Iran, they wouldn’t even need nukes, just a good carpetbombing. An Israeli nuclear strike on Iran, JerseyGirl, is idiocy that would make Israel the enemy of the whole world. Iran has nothing more than enough weaponry to pick a fight diplomacy and equitable negotiations can and should be allowed to assuage. It beats all this ridiculous postring and provocation of another unnecessary conflict in an already lethally destabilized area.

JerseyGirl, whether you like this reality or not, Obama continues to demonstrate more understanding of foreign policy and diplomacy in that region than that murderous old coot Grampers McCainiac, stupid YOU, and that shrill faux feminist opportunist Shillary Klantoon. What’s more, Obama knows the game the Bushes have been running on behalf of their Saudi and already wealthy Global Corproate Oil cronies, a game that has profitted idiots like you nothing, though you continue to support their corporate politicians against your own best interests.

Wake the hell up, JerseyGirl! We have no reasonable justification for invading and occupying Iran. If you think Iraq is going ‘swimmingly,’ just wait until we’re hit by crazed Iranian nationals for 50 to 100 troops, airmen, and sailors a week just for trying to drain millions of barrels of oil off the Caspian Sea basin. With our delapidated Armed Forces already stretched lethally thin, WE CAN’T WIN!!! Furthermore, no matter how many millions of barrels we can pirate in our War on Terror, greedy ReThugniCon corporatists are going to literally die and go to hell before the price of a gallon of fossil fuel drummed in the Middle East ever goes back to what it was during the Clinton years.

No, we need, no, DEMAND, regulatory negotiations and sanctions that are not only going to protect Isreal from so-called Islamic hostility and aggression, but will also protect every regional impoverished, disadvantaged sovereign nation inhabiting lands rich with valuable natural resources against avaricious, hegemonic, imperialist WARMONGERS feigning sanctimonious righteous indignation at some figurehead’s bravado. Everyone should be down with Obama’s bringing the Diplomacy! The only whiners with anything to lose from fervant diplomacy are fortunates getting over from oil profiteering! I bet an idiot like yourself, JerseyGirl, isn’t even a beneficiary of that particular capital gain. You just hate Obama because he’s a black man who beat a white woman and is about to beat an old white man. You need to dig yourself. Your sheet is showing big time!

Rus,

Give me some of the stuff you been smoking…

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9451

http://www.payvand.com/news/08/jul/1099.html

Iran has been conducting war games - code-named “Noble Prophet” - in Persian Gulf’s Strait of Hormuz. As part of these exercises, Iran test-fired some 9 medium and long range missiles on Wednesday. Not surprisingly this generated huge amount of noise and “concern” by U.S. government officials.

jersey girl,

Lets go easy on Cyrena. There is no need to bash her like this.

She is pretty accurate on most important issues and there will always be differences between us and thats normal and natural. Good communication, healthy conversations and flow of data will help promote better understanding as we go through this process.

Peresonally I sorta liked it when obama first appeared on the horizon. I was cautiously hopeful and really wanted to see a strong, no nonsense leader with convictions that would speak truth to corrupt power centers.

Over the last year obama proved that he is not that man. His performance in front of AIPAC was very disappointing indeed and was the determining factor for me to decide that I will not vote for him this coming election year.
He had a golden opportunity to put AIPAC in its place and contribute to the changing landscape of american politics and yet he did what a stooge would do and followed the script.

Some may argue otherwise and they are fully entitled to do that. The problem is when he gets into office I worry that he will prove himself to be a better servant of the zionists than all other presidents combined. Thats a very dangerous outcome.

I think Cyrena and a lot of other people are hoping for the best and actually think that obama will prove to be the leader that in their imaginations they hope for or dream of. I just hope that Cyrena is right and I am wrong. Nothing better than that.

So, how “presidential” of McCain is to joke about killing Iranian civilians with an increased export of our cigarettes during Bush? Is it the Iranian government or every Iran citizen that are our enemies? Just disgusting, and working even more on the US’ unpopularity in the world.

jersey girl,

Fully in agreement with you. What “rage” dont seem to get is the following:

1- He also has an imperial mind set, but of of the neo-liberal type (cousin of the neo cons) that reserves the right to tell everyone what to have and not to have and what to do and not to do.

2- he doesnt understand that Diplomacy means establishing lines of communications and negotiating and per its official definition:

a. the conduct by government officials of negotiations and other relations between nations. 
b. the art or science of conducting such negotiations. 
c. skill in managing negotiations, handling people, etc., so that there is little or no ill wil.

I guess I seem to miss it when diplomacy has been translated into threats, coersion, assassinations, sanctions and etc… which is a prelude to war which is what “rage” the patriot is proposing and on top of that he likes persians killing persians and etc…...

I suppose its ok if at some future time when we decline in power and influence other more powerfull imperial powers who are also very democratic and self righteous (just like us) get americans killing americans and call it diplomacy. Just remember when you set precedence for future generations you may not like what comes around.

What Obama is proposing is not diplomacy but rather arbitrarily imposing economic sanctions (on a nation that has been severly harmed by us and our allies in the last 50 years) since we are militarily weakend and unable to do what we really want to do.

These policies that are being advocated by mccane, obama, and little george are based on half truths, lies, exaggerations and dubious facts packaged by AIPAC and forced fed to morans like mccane and obama. The only difference between them is tactical not strategic.

I suppose what obama is advocating is what a progressive democratic candidtate is all about these days. Since everyone seems to be bought and paid for by AIPAC these days.

The other issue is that since we have air to air, air to land, air to sea, sea to air, sea to land, land to air, short range, medium range and ICBM’s that carry mega tons of nuclear explosive power, aircrafts that are armed with nuclear weapons, ships and submarines that are armed with nuclear weapons and we test them all the time, and threaten anyone we dont like, noone should really be concerned and afraid of us since we are so moral, and we do things the right way for the right reasons, and we have never used nuclear weapons against non nuclear powers.

I guess thats what democracy is all about. And obama must be given a medal for his original and out of the box thinking.

“Taking a move from the McCain playbook and latching onto the bogeyman that is Iran, Barack Obama responded to Tehran’s long-range weapons tests Wednesday with calls for tougher economic sanctions against the country…..”

How is Obama’s demanding America put the economic squeeze on Tehran to get Iran to stop this missle testing his taking a page out of McCain’s book? Grampers is all for bombing Iran. Obama is for implementing the level of diplomatic negotiations that will discourage Iran attacking Isreal or anyone else in the region.

Suggesting we negotiate an equitable peace with Tehran is neither weak nor latching onto Gramper’s Iranian boogeyman. Face it, Tehran needs trade from us just as badly as we need to move oil and other resources through their shipping lanes. So, while we still have significant economic leverage, why not use it as best we can to prevent more disasterous destabilization in that already volatile region?

Thanks to the fecklessness of Condi Rice, with her claims that “wargames” now justify our striking Iran, and Isreal’s recent deployment of warplanes into Iranian airspace, Tehran is already thinking ahead to how to best retalliate, should they be attacked. Amadinajad is proving that Iran has more muscle than Iraq had back in 2003, while the US military forces are now stretched dangerously thin. Isreal is officially vulnerable to an Iranian launch now. The surge in Iraq hasn’t worked to date. Now, the BFEE wants to provoke an attack on Iran too? No! We need diplomacy, not more guns and missle launches.

America can’t have her cake and eat it too. America isn’t going to be the perpetrator and the victim in Iran they way the world allowed us to be with Iraq and Afghanistan. America has milked 9/11 and the ruse of the War on Terror more than the anyone is ever going to live long enough to appreciate. We’ll be on our own after we provoke Iran. Our allies are not likely to commit to fighting Iran to protect a handful of oil giants. And, we will have incurred the wrath of Russia to boot. Nothing is worth our provoking Armaggedon just to control oil.

Obama is right. We need more effective diplomacy more than ever now.

Scottk,

Right on man. I think Obama is actually a lot more dangerous than mccane will ever be.

Obama will fool a lot of people, totally fragmant the antiwar front and technically neutralize it, confuse the left and force it into total retreat, all in the service of israel and zionism.

Must read:

http://amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_30/article3.html