Hoover gave MacArthur a direct order NOT to cross the Anacostia Bridge which MacArthur willfully disobeyed. Truman knew exactly what he was doing when he fired MacArthur in Korea. Had he been insubordinate again, WWIII might have started then and there. Patton gleefully led a cavalry charge accross the bridge into the encampment and Eisenhower advised against the attack.

cyrena

Thanks for the subject matter. I think you could easily have added the ‘bonus army’ event where I think hoover got gen. doug macauthur to attack a bunch of depression worn soldiers from ww1 who wanted their bonus pay in combat earlier than the 1940s pay off time to ease the effects of the depression. They marched on washington, the elected official did not like it so macauthur got 2 of his majors or colonels, patton and eisenhower to run them out of town. Several vets were killed along with some wives and children of the vets and their whole shanty town was burned down. How’s that for thanks for fighting for one’s country.
You indicate that you do some writing and journalistic work. Is their some way you could direct me to that?

Samosamo,

Thanks for the links. I haven’t watched yet, but I do plan to as soon as I finish up some errands. The radio station I’d mentioned earlier was actually in Rwanda, which is where that genocide was taking place. But, this has been a standard tactic anywhere there is civil unrest. History has multiple examples.

For us here in the US, the times of the routine lynch mobs are a good example. If you have time, check out the Tulsa riots, and the destruction of the Greenwood Community back in the 20’s. This has been a largely ignored, (kept secret) thing over the decades since it occurred, but it’s an excellent example of what we’re seeing here and now, with updated technology.

OK…gotta run. I’ll check for some links on that when I return, since I believe it to be an excellent US example of our own 20th Century genocide. (ONE of them).

By lawlessone, July 3 at 11:41 am

Unfortunately, this is why corporations decided that they are covered by the 1st amendment’s free speech and why corporations had the good luck or plain criminal luck to have the republican controlled congress to send a law that little w signed that almost keeps corporations from being sued for anything.
The free speech part which is in the bill of rights is strictly for citizens, it allows people to say what they want to a certain extent where they or we can be sued especially if someone gives false information that causes harm to someone. But this intergration of corporations rights is nothing more or less than giving them the ability to lie about anything and especially the msm which also hides behind the reality that if it goes to court, and this really protects fux news, they will claim that they were giving ‘opinions’. Murderoch’s a criminal whore for this.
There should be holy hell raised about this concept as the bill of rights are for the citizens and NOT corporate entities. The FCC’s Kathleen Abernathy tried to explain this at hearings in congress and NO one objected and NOTHING was done to set corporations straight about it. This also allows corporate marketing strategies to push the envelope in their truth in advertising and now corporate marketers can go that extra mile of giving you information that might not be wholly accurate just to get your money out of your pocket and put into those corporate pockets.
In other words, the citizens basic rights in the bill of rights now belong to corporations also, or probably more so since it is harder to sue a corporation for anything, I think.

Any person who gets their news from Fox news is an imbecile anyway… so… go figure.

cyrena,

There are things I am aware of that I would like better answers to but I just don’t know how to think about them as they are more like a concept, but your mention of a radio station(was it american?)spewing out radical rhetoric to incite people to run amouk starts to focus the reality of what these american msm and I would imagine other right wing msms are doing. Stirring people to do the dirty work of militaries and other that don’t want the publicity.
As a matter of fact, from the way that a large chunk of people in this country cannot accept what is real and what is propaganda or even mind control because they are so addicted to what and HOW events are presented on the airwaves that they will never accept that there is a real version of what is being fed to them. So much to the point that there are some interworkings to keep people from becoming informed and united in this country with the possiblility of violence erupting to ‘protect’ the ‘leaders’ from the dissenting part of the population.
If for no other reason this should be classified as a major threat to our country or any other country where it would create something a uprising up to a genocide. People inciting this kind of violence surely need to be held under laws that probably are on the books, depending on which country is comes from.
As for 9-11, it only should take the fact that the fires were not hot enough and the physical hit of the plane did not damage the structure enough to drop the buildings and if that is not enough, the footage(closeup) of the south tower coming down, what could anyone who has seen a demolition on tv or elsewhere not immediately recognize a controlled demolition, see and hearing the successive explosions on floor after floor could mean nothing else. And if that is not enough, just watching the wtc7 drop like a rock and seeing the explosions should be undeniable.
Then, if any of the things I have seen and heard about what was in wtc 7 or the insurance scam the new owner of the wtc made out like a bandit with his claims can only make one have to at least want very thorough investigations into this event.
You may have seen this one documentary on the mysteries of the 9-11 event but I will look it up and try to give you the link in case you have not seen it.
http://100777.com/911/coincidences
and here another, again you may aready have seen these
http://www.911weknow.com/911-mysteries-movie.html

Doesn’t Murdoch own the Sun in London? Maybe his christian conservative buddies ought to take a look at Rupe’s family values as expressed on page 3 of that tabloid. If you think the NY Post is crap, you should take an online look at this rag.

Fox political commentary amounts to the photoshop equivalent of drawing mustaches on peoples faces, making fun of peoples names, and spinning childish stories about others.

These behaviors can usually be tolerated in a six year old, and at times might even be endearing to the parents.  But for those who wear adult bodies, they are a disgrace.

“As a documentary from a couple of years ago, ‘OutFoxed’, it appears that at least billy oreillly is such a pathological liar that people he slanders have a hard time going after him because is such a pathological liar.”

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samosamo,

I remember this documentary. Matter of fact, an organization that I’d done a documentary with myself (on the pharmies) introduced that one at an event, and provided us all with copies. Since I’d never been a Fake News watcher anyway, it was actually my first real ‘experience’ into just how much of a pathological liar he is. I was more familiar with the Limbaugh version, even though I never listened to him intentionally. Only when other people had him on and I was forced to.

Then I came to the conclusion that all of these fu#%K@RS are the equivalent of the same that have incited violence and genocide and all other sorts of crimes around the world.

The media, (and a specific radio station at the time) was LARGELY responsible from the genocide in Rwanda. I never knew that until I had to study the whole event enough to write a lengthy journal piece on the Genocide Treaty, and how or why it has been largely ineffective at preventing genocide, even though it’s been slightly more successful at punishing it. (only slightly).

But, one of the things that was noted, (long after the fact of course) was that ONE of the things they could have done, (those hoping to stop it in it’s fullest frenzy) was to shut down the air waves or anything else that was putting the propaganda out there. I can’t remember the particular station that was responsible, but of course it was the propaganda machine for the political gang that created the whole thing to begin with.

In short..people become incited to horrific levels of violence. It’s no different than the psychological energy that has made up so many lynch mobs in earlier history. Propaganda is used in so many ways, but generally to brain wash huge masses of people.

And the best example of that has been 9/11. I was astounded at some of the things that I never noticed myself, and how despite my own skepticism about the way those buildings came down, most of us were still fooled into believing the basics of the story from the very beginning. It wasn’t until much later that I started to see so much more of what had been total manipulation by the mass media.

Barrie Zwicker covers every inch of it in “Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11.” So it’s always been far worse than the media simply being remiss or otherwise unprofessional about failing to ask the hard questions, or make the correct investigations, they’ve been active perpetrators in the lies. And, not just Fox, though certainly they’ve been the worst. Still, ABC and CBS, and so much of the print media that used to be the place to go for information, turned into purveyors of the lies.
All of that said, Bill O and all of the others belong in jail right alongside the DC thugs who highjacked the government.

Even now, I’m still at odds with many of my own colleagues who will go no further than to admit that there are ‘unanswered questions’ about 9/11, and cling to the ‘blow back’ theory as the cause. That means they honestly believe (presumably) that 9/11 was an al-Qaeda or other outside terrorist operation, despite the fact that there’s never been any real proof of that.

The Foxing A-holes could have “Simpsonized” them on the Booger King website!

I don’t think this is trivial. We should all remember that Murdoch is fighting hard to get Congress to allow him to own an ever greater share of our news media.

Imagine the kind of warped reality Murdoch can subject us to if he is allowed to eliminate competing news sources. He’s already got the Wall Street Journal and is flagrantly turning it into another hack propaganda outlet. Imagine a world in which he owns Fox, the NY Post and Newsday, the WSJ, Time, Newsweek, several of the major cable TV news networks, the Harris Poll, the Gallop poll, and maybe AP and the New York Times.

It’s already impossible not to notice, for example, that Fox’s job approval poll numbers for Bush are brazenly better than the polls from other organizations. It’s especially noticeable that the disapproval number is consistently much lower than in other polls. Think what Murdoch would do if he thought we had nowhere to turn for another source of information. The man will simply stop at nothing.

What would you expect from the same clowns who, in referring to the Lincoln-Douglas debate, displayed a picture of Frederick Douglass? Like they say, good thing someone is watching this BS for me.

I guess O’Reilly’s arrogance is corporate.

I don’t see why fux should be so put out that they have to act like little w when he is stood up to for being ‘caught with his hands in the cookie jar’ or ‘oops, I lied again’.
What problem I see is that there is not an investigation into fux’s use of the media for slander and character assassinations. As a documentary from a couple of years ago, ‘OutFoxed’, it appears that at least billy oreillly is such a pathological liar that people he slanders have a hard time going after him because is such a pathological liar. And I am sure that about all of the celebrity talking head pundits a fux fit in the same catagory.
Which is why I hate wasting my time reading about fux unless there is some actual action being taken against them for their continuous lying about people, so much so that the poor dumb viewers actually believe it after about the 3rd or 4th time the lie is spoken.
Shame that the 9/11 clowns did not hit the fux building but we know why and how all that happened anyway, don’t we?