Maani

You or anyone who believes that a person can climb over the dead bodies of friends and family to atain the presidency of the USA and still remain anything but a politician must still put teeth under their pillow in hope of a quater.

Your argument sounds like the sore-loser crowd I would expect to back the corporate whore \\\

Maani

“For me, this indicates that he “stole” the primary election by laying about his positions and policies, and pretending to be something he is not.

I may just write in Hillary’s name on my November ballot”

You are good for a laugh.. I’m having trouble typing this through my spasims of mirth… You are going to “write in Hill-the-business-shill” because Obama lies? 

Hope she can duck-and-cover her way into the White House through all that hostile fire…

I approve, by all means write her in....

I have a huge problem with tax-funded corporate welfare checks being doled out to any corporation, particularly faith-based incorporations, since America allegedly claims a strict separation of church and state. That money comes from the unevenly assessed taxes jacked from the paychecks of the few of us left whose jobs haven’t been outsourced. I already belong to a local church which I already support GENEROUSLY! Meanwhile, the schools in my school district are suffering, thanks to the UNDER-FUNDED RUSE Washington calls NO CHILD LEFT A DIME/MIND/SNOWBALL’S CHANCE IN HELL! PLEASE!!!

Outsourcing America’s public assistance and aid services to religious institutions in exchange for religious voters’ support is NOT the answer. To date, this fruitless church welfare dole has served no worthwhile purpose beyond keeping financially afloat a lot of religious sponge organizations whose need is far greater than the target communities they’re too often abysmally failing, all just to put some undeserving crook into an office of guaranteed public disservice. It’s a faith-based version of giving a wino a bottle ten seconds before telling him which levers to pull in the voting booth. Furthermore, too many local religious groups who qualify for this dole are routinely turned down because they refuse to compromise their message of faith just to be afflictively restrained by the government mandated stipulations tacked to that funding. The institutions who have primarily benefitted from this ruse have been mega-ministries which are already wealthy beyond the Lord’s intent for His Bride. Too often, for the added bonus of some pastor’s inclusion in trivial conference calls with Dumya, just for guaranteeing overwhelming congregational support for Godless Oblivious Pigs seeking lucretive political careers, pro-political right-wing religious incorporations are rewarded government funding in exchange for swallowing whole many faith-defying irrelevant wedge issues and ridiculous GOP talking points. This conniving religio-fascism has not only severely compromised real faith and true religious beliefs, but has undermined our Constitutional foundation. America is now globally notorious for being some new monsterously fanatical cult for a blood stained flag-draped Gospel of an American Theocratic Cross.

For that reason alone, this faith-based grant program needs to be axed to fund other programs more beneficial to our commonwealth! Obama was once a community organizer, able to find water in barren wildernesses. Thus, I would expect him to come with a plan that discouraged resorting to the political bastardy of Karl Rove’s bucks-4-votes scheme, a product of Turdblossom election-tampering treachery on behalf of unfit Dumya, for which Rove still deserves criminal prosecution. Unlike Dumya, however, Obama is fit for Office. What’s more, Obama’s already assured support from reformed and progressive Evangelical Christians who are just as negatively impacted by Bush’s eight years of scorched earth stupidity as anyone else registered to vote. Most institutions of faith recently polled aren’t supporting McCain. Grampers’ ploys and promises haven’t resonated that gingerly with that many members of any faith group or belief system where this level Obama panic is remotely justifiable at this point. So, Obama’s promising evangelicals that he will continue to waste tax dollars greatly needed elsewhere in a budget with a multi-TRILLION dollar National DEFICIT is not only unnecessary as a campaign strategy, but ridiculously fiscally impractical as well. This promise, after the 20th of January 2009, is one Obama is just not going to be able to keep!

Maani

“It is not self-aggrandizing to say that I (and some others here) feel like Cassandra.”

hardly apt… What you Clinton Trolls were spewing is the garbage that somehow Hill-the-business-shill was superior to any of the other trash…

Instead of patting yourself on the back you should try to determine how this second-rate con-man beat the shit outta your girl.

Who you gonna vote for in the fall?

One gets the feeling that the group posting comments here consists of the few remaining relics from a pre-faith based era..
Obama defines himself as the ultimate Hybrid...or as Cher used to say..."Half-Breed"....
He’s half black, half white....he’s got Christian and Muslim stuff going on....gets anti-Bush, but then goes gun toting and religious…
What’s next, he takes clues from Michael Jackson and becomes a partially white woman?

Another job opportunity for pedophile priests and ministers. Too long these pious folk have done their buggery for free, now, under the Obama/Bush doctrine they get a fair wage for all that hard work.

Now that’s “Change you can believe in”

As an early supporter of Obama, and an atheist, I was disgusted by his vocal support for faith-based initiatives (which clearly subvert our separation of church and state). When my absentee ballot arrives, I will fill it out with a heavy heart. Perhaps the Illinois senator is only playing the usual games to get elected, and once in office will remember why he ran in the first place. Perhaps.

In my opinion this is more of a vote-loser than a vote-getter for ‘Bama Man.  Third party looking better all the time.

‘I Believe in an America Where the Separation of Church and State is Absolute’
September 12, 1960, address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association
John F. Kennedy

While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that we have far more critical issues to face in the 1960 election; the spread of Communist influence, until it now festers 90 miles off the coast of Florida--the humiliating treatment of our President and Vice President by those who no longer respect our power--the hungry children I saw in West Virginia, the old people who cannot pay their doctor bills, the families forced to give up their farms--an America with too many slums, with too few schools, and too late to the moon and outer space.
These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not religious issues--for war and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barriers.

But because I am a Catholic, and no Catholic has ever been elected President, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured--perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again--not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me--but what kind of America I believe in.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all........

Oh no.

He’s not listening to his contituents. Obama you are a ‘representative’, not a king.

The American govt is conservative, not because most of its people are, but because that’s where the money is, on the conservative side. It’s the poorer people who need the steward in govt, not the rich. The rich have more than enough power already. Especially the filthy-rich churches and the power-freaks who appear to be running them.

I doubt Obama needs to be seen as conservative to get elected. Maybe he thinks otherwise. 

He’s still better than a warmonger. He’d have to start an unnecessary war to lose his ethical advantage over McCain. But this is why i don’t like politicians: a long long history of disappointment. They are generally such weak people. Allow exceptions for people like Kucinich. (Who can’t get on TV.)

Mr O, you may be smart and cute, but you’d better start representing the people who’ve had no representation since the office was stolen from Al Gore in 2000. They need you.

Someone needs to explain to the US conservatives that social democracy is not the same thing as socialism, not even close, and that rampant capitalism is not the same thing as freedom or fairness, not even close. They are obviously making too much money to care what’s right and wrong. And they will go to church now and then and feel pious.

With the Obama pronouncement that he’s a Faith Based Spin-Off of George W. Bushel, all “secular Americans” who believe in the separation of church and state, are invited to take a trip to Hell in a Hand Basket. Obama has decided he’s Jesus H. Christ.
Hey BHO, are you also offering a firing squad to atheists?

I’m starting to seriously look at the third party candidates such as the Green Party.  Yes, it is a “vote” for McCain, but it is NOT saying I want same ‘ol, same ‘ol.  It is also telling the Democrats that they have to clean up their act.  Obama obviously thinks we on the progressive side have nowhere else to go, so he can safely pander to the right.  We need to start changing the Democrats model of how to win.  How about standing up for the American people, being truly honest with where we are, and cheerleading the way forward.

Gone, possibly for ever, are the days of working and more substantial presidents and candidates. Before you all jump on me, I am thinking of presidents like FDR, JFK, Eisenhower, Trueman, Lincoln, and nearly all the early presidents before 1840 or so. What we have now and have had since Nixon is a sham, a disgrace, and the laughing stock of the world, and rightfully so.

It’s funny, I never embraced Obama, I was not voting for Clinton, and don’t even get me going about McCain and all. It was that I just had no hope left, no real feeling that this would be any different. I have lost faith in the process, in this era, and in the near future. I am afraid that KenDen is right about it taking a major disaster to change things for the better on the grand scale, but I am afraid that it will be civil war and not much less than that to make those changes, and it breaks my heart. It also scares the hell out of me as well.

Weeping quietly for what has been lost and what it will cost us to regain!

Well, we’ve been snookered again folks.
It’s just like the election in
“Moon Over Parador”.  Sims dressed in red, or
Sims dressed in blue is still Sims, the
dictator.  “I’m just a gun-toting holy-roller
from Harvard"(sic!)

You’ve seen noting yet!!
This is the United States of America, the only Imperial superpower in the world. Did ya’ actually think they were going to have a regime change, did ya...??!!

Hey it’s just a New Improved packaging, one a little more appealing to the Arabs and everybody else we’ve been pissing off for at least 8 years if not much longer but the product is still the same.. maybe even inferior. That remains to be seen!!

I am just waiting for the apologists to give us their spin!!

We have the power elite and the masses. Obama is one of the power elite, of course. He will say anything which he believes will help him get elected, as will McCain. No matter what he says, however, a vote for McCain is a positive, definitive sign by the masses to continue the present course. I’ll vote for Obama, hoping , but not expecting, a little change.