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Posted on Jun 23, 2008
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According to a Pew poll, about 10 percent of Americans think Barack Obama is Muslim. The candidate has tried repeatedly to counter that “smear,” (the word used on Obama’s Web site) but a growing number of Muslim Americans are frustrated with the implication that there’s something wrong with them.

The first Muslim elected to Congress, Keith Ellison, perhaps said it best: “A lot of us are waiting for him to say that there’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim, by the way.”


New York Times:

While the senator has visited churches and synagogues, he has yet to appear at a single mosque. Muslim and Arab-American organizations have tried repeatedly to arrange meetings with Mr. Obama, but officials with those groups say their invitations—unlike those of their Jewish and Christian counterparts—have been ignored. Last week, two Muslim women wearing head scarves were barred by campaign volunteers from appearing behind Mr. Obama at a rally in Detroit.

In interviews, Muslim political and civic leaders said they understood that their support for Mr. Obama could be a problem for him at a time when some Americans are deeply suspicious of Muslims. Yet those leaders nonetheless expressed disappointment and even anger at the distance that Mr. Obama has kept from them.

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By mrmb, June 26, 2008 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
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Arabian Thoroughbred,

I think my fellow country men’s ignorance is embarrasing to say the least. It actually becomes dangerous when our elected representatives are ignorant like some people on this site.

Having said that I do want to elaborate a bit.

We here in the west use women as sexual objects. We own the porn industry. And guess who is so prominant in the porn industry? WOMEN and who makes the money? MEN, actually white men who are also .......

We use sexy and beautiful women in bikinis and other forms of revealing clothes to sell cars to candys.
Now we use these women to sell news on major cable news netwroks and etc and attract the likes of Philip so he can actually observe and learn some world class reproting..


The list goes on. Now if any of the above is respectfull treatment of women in the west and thats what we proclaim to be then I do have to say that we are in a very sorry state of affairs.

The problem is thats exactly what we also export as cultrual good to other countries instead of our true values, good works of art and music, great theater, fantastic poetry and writings and scientific tools and findings and etc….

The amazing thing is that under all these massive negative propaganda and psychological war against Islam and muslis, Islam is the fastest growing religon in the US (and the world), and the most prominant convertors are young white eduacted females right here in the USA.

Now thats a trend and a phenomena that zionist Islamophobes have to ponder and understand.

I wouldnt bet on that anytime soon.

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By Arabian Thoroughbred, June 25, 2008 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment
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By Philip, June 24 at 9:37 am #
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“They are not violently oppressing women all over the planet as well.”
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Your filthy propaganda aside, if you really knew the respect and value that true Muslims accord women, as mothers, sisters, daughters and lawful wives, as opposed to sex objects as is the case in most Western countries, then I am sure you would wish to have be born as a Muslim woman!

Go and get a real education from the authentic original sources! For that we liberate you from the dark hole of ignorance you live in!

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By mrmb, June 25, 2008 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment
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Cyrena, Zappow,

Thanks and be my guest!!!

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By Ching-Ching, June 25, 2008 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

How annoying is to realize that the potential leader of the free worlds biggest concern needs to be that he is not a white, Islamic and a man? The U.S. is the most most narrow minded country in the world and they have us all by the balls. As a none American, I can only sit, wait and hope. The reality is that the entire world sinks or swims on the mere 260 000 000 people who happen to be American. Please grow up fast.

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By cyrena, June 25, 2008 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

mrmb..BRAVO to your post #165304!!

“I find most Americans are ignorant about Islam and Muslims. This ignorance is more mind boggling when we have the largest presence in the ME going back to 50 years.”

I find the same. HOWEVER…your superb post should at least BEGIN to enlighten those who choose to be enlightened.

There’s no hope for the JBlacks of the world.

Anyway, your post is a keeper for me, and I hope you won’t mind my sharing with others in the academic community.

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By ZapPow, June 25, 2008 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment
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@ mrmb

Perfectly, thank you. With your permission, I’m going to keep a copy of that message for the education of the ignorant masses.

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By mrmb, June 25, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment
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zappow,

you can be a jew, christian, muslim, hindu, communist, conservative, liberal, atheist and ...... and be a zionist and you can be all of the above and be anti zionist.

However at the top of the pyramid they are jewish. Whether they are religous or not thats a whole different issue.

I dont consider zionism an extension of judaism rather its a deviant political ideology that is based on racism, militarism, and it promotes violance and savagry.

Hope that clarifies things.

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By Arabian Thoroughbred, June 25, 2008 at 6:43 am Link to this comment
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By mrmb, June 24 at 3:52 pm #
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Great post mrmb! I concur with your educated analysis.

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By ZapPow, June 25, 2008 at 4:00 am Link to this comment
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@ mrmb

I suppose that by “zionist”, you don’t mean “Jew” ?

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By mrmb, June 24, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment
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I find most Americans are ignorant about Islam and Muslims. This ignorance is more mind boggling when we have the largest presence in the ME going back to 50 years.

Here is a simple brief just to clarify a few things.

Its the Muslim countries that have been colonized by westerners and not the other way around. Officially this dates back to the collapse and defeat of the Ottoman empire after the first war. It also goes back a bit further in time, as large Muslim countries that were the cradle of civilization faced internal stagnation, political corruption at the top, and penetration of their society by European colonizers.

The subsequent events has led to a complete breakdown of Muslim independence, social cohesion and evolution in the last century.

Hence the attempt by various Muslim countries at breaking the yoke of colonization and their subsequent flirtation with communism, socialism, nationalism and other western ideologies that were imported in order to win the struggle for independence.

All the above proved a failure and hence the return to their roots: Islam, and the search for identity, clarity of purpose, and an ideology to mobilize the massess to fight colonial and imperial domination and achieve independence.

Here we have the crux of the matter. The attempt by various Muslims (different countries, cultures, and schools of thought) to devise and arrive at an interpretation of Islam to achieve such goals.

The Shiites have been more successful than the Sunnis by far. There are key reasons for this and I dont have time to get into details, but suffice to say that Shiite leadership and jurisprudence is the key to their success and lack thereof amongst Sunni Muslims has created a dangerous vaccumm where the likes of osama bin laden and his ilk can easily step into and proclaim leadership of the Muslim community when they neither have the basic fundamental educational requirement nor the personal characteristics to claim such position.

As the events of the last 30 years have clearly demonstrated, the greatest challange to the western domination of Muslim countries is coming from Shiite leadership and not from the Sunnis.
Iran, Lebanon and now Iraq are key examples.

Key Sunni countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia are completely penetrated by Israel and US. They are actually zionist surrogates in the ME.

However from a religous / Islamic point of view the occupation of Saudi Arabia by zionists and imperialist is the key to their long term domination of ME.

The House of Saud and its rise to power and its fabricated ideology offers a clear case of a nation state created by imperialists to facilitate domination of the ME and its resources.

The house of saud provides religous cover and support when and where necessary to zionist / imperialist plans (Iran-Iraq war, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Lebanese conflict, to name a few) by backing the zionist / imperialist plan and objectives at every turn by providing “religous legitimacy” to those actors backed by zionists.

Having said all the above, zionist control of our media in this struggle has also done a great job at distorting the issues, mi-informing the public, inflaming the hatred against the Muslims in order to justify subsequent imperial presence and domination of Muslim countries.

The internal political dynamics in the US when it comes to the ME is stage managed by the zionists and since both political parties are completely penetarted by them and follow the script, neither of the political candidates dare to say or do anything that would result in a zionist media backlash.

The Islomophobia in the US that is promoted by zionists should be viewed in this context and its critical that we let our elected representatives know that as citizens we are fed up with zionist control of our polity and should work towards removing elected office holders that serve zionism to the detriment of US national interests.

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By purplewolf, June 24, 2008 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

JBlack. By your comments, I take it you are a Christian. The bigotry and hatred ooze from you, one of the first true telltale signs of Christianity. Ask yourself, didn’t your God, according to the teachings of most Christian religions, make all the living creatures on this earth? This includes all those “left wing nut job people” you refer to who may think differently than you. From what I hear from all these “correct thinking people claiming to be Christians”, your God loves everyone of us, regardless, so how come it’s okay for you to hate so much when the one you claim to follow thinks differently on this than you do? How will you answer at the end of your days as to why you were so hate filled toward God’s other creations?

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By kath cantarella, June 24, 2008 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment
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He’s damned if he does, and damned if he don’t.

Chin up, Mr O.

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By psmealey, June 24, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

THANK GOD you are all left wing nut jobs on the fringe of society. Thank God you’re the insignificant minority in the world. It’s parasites like you that cause the ill will in the world with your astounding ignorance and “conspiracies” you never actually prove.

It’s funny that members of such an “insignificant minority” on the “fringe of society” can have such power as to cause the ill will in the world.

How convenient it must be to have a bugaboo that’s at once marginalized and all powerful.

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By Philip, June 24, 2008 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
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Bush is an idiot. A dangerous warmongering frat boy who has destroyed this country and millions of innocent lives in Iraq. He should be prosecuted for war crimes. However, to pretend that muslims (whatever color their skin may be) have not themselves been responsible for so much damage, murder and destruction is a dishonest evaluation of reality. The muslim religion does ask for violent answers as solutions to what they believe goes against the word of Allah. We make fun of Hare Krishnas sometimes but we are not afraid of them because they are not blowing themselves up along with thousands of other innocents all over the planet. They are not violently oppressing women all over the planet as well. Americans are afraid of muslims not just because of W and his prejudices but because Islam has proven to be an insane cult of death. Sorry but it is the worlds blind acceptance of lunacy in the form of religious beliefs that is causing so much prejudice and violence. If animal rights people were blowing themselves up all over the world and killing innocent people everywhere would you only blame the right-wing Christians and Bush?
I think not! Get a grip on reality people….

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By jatihoon, June 24, 2008 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Show me the color of the money, I will be their.After all Bush is always in Saudi Arabia holding King Abdullah’s Hand and guy behind Bush holding the sword.Implication is clear, our way or loose your head or oil subsidies to Bush family.Oh! BA! Ma! will learn soon, after all he lack’s experience.{MaCain}

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By Jolly Sapper, June 24, 2008 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
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Maybe I’m missing something but from the comments I believe that the point of the post/linked article was missed.

I occassionally listen to Air America, its a total coincidence that its almost always the Lionel (sp?) show.  A caller was put on the air, the topic had something to do with Fox News “accidently” calling Obama a muslim.. repeatedly.  The caller kept saying that calling Obama a muslim was slander and damaging to Obama’s credibility.  Lionel interrupted the caller and politely asked what was wrong with Obama being a muslim.  The caller missed Lionel’s point and carried on with the anti Fox News rant.  Lionel didn’t take the time to explain what he meant with the “what was wrong with Obama being muslim” comment that would considered slanderous. 

I’m pretty sure that Lionel was trying to point out that by saying Obama’s religious faith was muslim instead of christian or jew, was not in itself slanderous.  There is nothing wrong or evil with a person because they are muslim.  Being a muslim isn’t the same thing as being a rapist or murderer or torturer or child pornographer.  So by saying that Obama should sue for slander or libel by being labeled as a “muslim” is like saying being a muslim is a horrible thing worthy of being hated or shunned, something to be afraid of.

I’ve no doubt that there are those out in the world who label all muslims as terrorists (for whatever reason) and who would hate and fear anybody who found themselves tagged with the label. Few muslims engage in terrorism and the way Obama responds to those who call him a muslim can either be seen as a simple correction of a mistake or a slap in the face to those who actually are muslim.

It seems that more and more muslims are starting to feel slapped in the face.

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By dick, June 24, 2008 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
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Religion is in large measure responsible for the violence and suffering in the middle east and in fact much of the world. “Men never do evil so cheerfully and completely as when they do it from religious conviction”. Evil passions are cloaked by religion. For example, watch several of Dr. John Hagees’ sermons on youtube.

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By ZapPow, June 24, 2008 at 8:34 am Link to this comment
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Funny that JBlack accuses “the left wing nut jobs on the fringe of society” of causing ill will in the world with thei astounding ignorance and conspiracies. As a French, the last years left me under the impression that the astounding ignorance was more a prerogative of the Right.

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By Thomas Mc, June 24, 2008 at 7:45 am Link to this comment
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America has always been fueled by bigotry. Without it, we would have no identity. It’s who we are.

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By Quasar, June 24, 2008 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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Obama would not need to fight the “smear” if no one believed it in the first place. He’s just doing his best to disabuse the hoi polloi of the notion that Fox and MSM are fair and balanced.  Moreover, the “smear” is not that being a Muslim is such a bad thing, but that those who suggest that he is a Muslim, think that many of us give a damn.  To the extent that we do, we give credence to the smear. And on it goes.  If i were a Muslim, I would holler back at the smearer not the smearee.

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By Commen Sense Veteran, June 24, 2008 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
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For those who claim that Islam is a religion of peace, examine its history. The first major spread of the belief system was accomplished with a sword.  All subseqent “exansion” movements were accomplished by the point of the sword.

Today, there are some muslims, who by virtue of the entrenchement islam has in their culture who live a life of peace and use their religion to help them do so. However, to overlook the one common theme through islam’s history, that of the spread of the belief system by force, in favor of the example of a few of its adherents, is at best pandering, at worst, deliberate camoflauge of its (islam’s) true intentions.

Having lived side by side with muslims’ in their country for a year, I will offer this advice - You can’t judge a book by its cover, or by one page. But, if the title says, “Kill all the non-readers,” you can reasonably assume the book speaks to killing people who don’t read the book.

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By Jim Yell, June 24, 2008 at 6:01 am Link to this comment
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I am sorry, but I have a problem not with a persons right to believe, but with their wish to dominate. That is why I dislike all fundamentalist religions. Some how a person who wishes to make me follow their obscene cults and use my government to do so is not some one who get much sympathy from me.

This includes all of these warehouse churches who worship money and power and like Huckabee think they are intitled to establish their religion over all others and criminalize those who don’t believe at all.

The basic tenants of Islam are dangerous to democracy in the extreme. A religion that gives any half baked cleric the right to promote murder is not a moderate religion, nor a law abiding religion and is in fact a dangerous additon to an already fractured democracy.

As to Obama avoiding them, well I don’t blame him there are enough angry voters that would use any number of less infamatory actions to dismiss his candidacty. So do us all a favor and shut your mouth.

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By chris, June 24, 2008 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
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Sen. Obama is treating Muslims the way the Democratic party has long treated Blacks.  He knows that if he openly addresses issues important to you, he alienates a large segment of voters he needs to win.  But he is counting on the fact that voting for a overt enemy like grandpa McCain is so distasteful and counter to your self interests that he will win your vote by default.  Unfortunately I think his calculation is correct and I cannot blame him from a political standpoint, but my respect for him as a man would increase if he said if this country is to truly live the ideals it says then religious freedom applies to all, not just Christians and jews.

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By Ron R, June 24, 2008 at 1:41 am Link to this comment
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The joke is in Muslim circles that they should endorse the candidate who they don’t want to win. Yeah! Sad, isn’t it? We should be ashamed for letting it go this far. Notice the terminology in the above article. Calling Obama a Muslim is a ‘smear’. Not a mistake. To Cyrena above, the Muslims have asked John McCain to appear at their mosques also. They were ignored. But you don’t hear about it because he is not running a campaign of ‘hope’ and ‘change’. I gotta tell you, it’s a bad time to be a Muslim. And soon with all the war-mongering and torture going on by our country, it’ll be a bad day to be an American too. Obama, don’t be afraid to reach out to Muslims! Many are counting on you too. If people don’t like it then you don’t really need or want their votes. It’s time to unite!

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By expat in germany, June 23, 2008 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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Here’s the real problem: Yesterday, a news item said that 90% of Americans believe in “God” or a “higher power.” As long as primitive beliefs such as this, rather than reason, continue to shape politics, don’t expect much change, folks. I’m still waiting for the politician who doesn’t “thank God” for anything in any speech…

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By Arabian Thoroughbred, June 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment
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To the 10 percent of fellow Americans who think Barack Obama is Muslim, let me tell you that this sounds like a tasteless joke. So don’t insult your own intelligence and ability to reason!

A man known to have been going to a certain church for so many years, was married in the church in the Christian way, and has publicly been saying he is not a Muslim and he has never been, cannot be a Muslim by any stretch of imagination, unless they believe in some big conspiracy theory like the one I and many others believe about 9 /11.

If Obama was born a Muslim due to his secular Muslim father, true Muslims would consider him an apostate, who not only shouldn’t be trusted, but one whom every true believer must distance him / herself from. Practicing Muslims will find no affinity at all between themselves and Obama at the religious level.

That some Muslim political activists or groups support Obama, is a matter totally divorced from Islamic theological considerations and is based on seeing in him the least of three evils.

In fact, most intelligent Muslims would know their limits and political expectations. For the estimated 6-7 million tiny Muslim minority to have one of them in the White House, leading a nation of majority Christians, wouldn’t only be undesirable thing, but an aberration that a true God would not allow, and also a recipe for disaster and impending persecution.

So Muslims, as a religious minority, should stay away from Oboma, and should do what I will do as an individual political activist: waste my vote rather than voting for Obama or the other warmonger evil!

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By heide, June 23, 2008 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
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islam is not responsible for 911 period
our own government is
those who put writings on buildings called 10 commandments but do not live them
so get over your freak out about islam america
& barack i am disappointed in you
i thought you were wanting to make a change in the status quo
change we can believe in???????????

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By cyrena, June 23, 2008 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Good question Dr. Know-it-all..how can one person cause so much damage?

Actually, GWB alone couldn’t have. This Islamophobia stuff was probably yet another unintended consequence after the radical right picked it up. Besides, if it wasn’t Muslims, it would be somebody else, because Americans are by and large ignorant to anything that isn’t beer, hot dogs, baseball, apple pie, Christian, and white. They probably wouldn’t know what the hell to think if they saw a white head-scarved woman on the street, even though there are white skinned Muslims all over the globe.

By the same token, if the Imam at MSP airport a couple of years ago hadn’t decided to pray in the departure lounge, (and weren’t dressed like Muslim Clerics) nobody would have ever paid any attention to them. (Instead it turned into a huge circus after they boarded the aircraft).

That said, I can in fact understand how the American Muslim community might be annoyed, that Obama hasn’t come out to say that ‘there’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim’. In fact, he has…but not in so many words. Rather, in response to being asked again for the umpteeth time if HE was, he explained that he had a great respect for the religion and the people who practice it, (I paraphrase) but they ‘he’ just didn’t happen to be a Muslim.

Now in a more sane society, that would certainly have been enough. (nobody asks him if he’s a Buddhist) As it is, I find it highly ironic that while Americans really don’t believe that they are treating Obama any differently than they would regular old white candidate, I haven’t heard any Muslims or anybody else screaming for John McCain to appear at one of their mosques. (not that I blame them).

Still, it’s the Dick Bush syndrome after using Muslims to blame 9/11 on. It doesn’t help that the Black Muslims here in the US, as represented by Louis Farrakhan, haven’t made the best of impressions either. Remember how it wasn’t enough for Obama to just say that he didn’t espouse Farrakhan’s radical ideology during that last debate that he had with Hillary?

Nope, she demanded that he formally denounce and repudiate him, and cross his heart, and hope to die, and stick a needle in his eye and all of that. Geeze. And how many people know the difference between those Black Muslims and the Arab, Asian, Persian, Turkish, and all of the other Muslims? The Black Muslims are a western organization, even if the principles in the belief system are the same.

So yeah, after all of that, I guess I can see where Obama might be a little gun shy. Hell, we’re ALL traumatized by the Bush Doctrine. (But the evil moron still couldn’t have put it over all by himself.)

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, June 23, 2008 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

I think we can thank Bush and his incessant mantra, “Islamofascist Muslim Extremeists” and other anti-Muslim propaganda for this.  I doubt he even knows what a Muslim is.  He probably thinks it’s sheet material.

It’s going to take Islam decades to repair the damage the Bush administration and the extremist Wakkos have done to it.  Most Americans now undoubtedly think most Mulsims are evil suicide bombers who are out to kill American Christians, thanks to Bush.

How can one person cause so much damage?

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