knute says..

“..It boggles the mind how after the splendid performance of the republican party has given us all since stealing the 2000 election, how it would even still be a horse race at all.”

And, I agree. It is a MOST mind-boggling phenomena.

Who are the people who would vote for McCain?  For one, the well off who clearly benefit from Bush’s subsidies for the rich, who benefit from no-bid contracts in the mideast, who have adequate health care and unshakable mortgages.  Status quo benefits them.

Then there are the ideologues who are willing to sacrifice their own life path because they truly believe that the war in Iraq will help us in the long run and to think otherwise is unpatriotic, who fear losing privileges to others such as homosexuals and minorities, who believe that the capitalist free market system won’t let them down ultimately even if they don’t have a health insurance policy and a job that pays their kids over $6 an hour.  Those who are absolutely certain that Obama is a Muslim and black and has no place in the white house.

We are a long way to November and Repubicans realize their weaknesses and the way they are perceived.  McCain trying to dig up female running mates--or dark skinned ones--only makes him look more desperate.

I’m no fan of this democratic congress--they have been flaming wimps.  But this close to Bush’s outster, go ahead, let him secure his legacy.  I’m sure they are cleaning and purging files in case their man loses, but I for one am awaiting the day when Bush has to turn over the keys and we get to look at every single document, check, receipt, phone log, etc. 

Bush has Enron’ed this country, letting his beloeved corporations scam citizens from coast to coast.  I wonder what he can hope to put in his library?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25311529/ What good will slogans do?

cyrena,

As they continue to crawl out from under their rocks, deciding fact from fiction will be much harder than during the Hillary throwing the kitchen sink days. 

Obama has pandered to the masses and young, lets hope it was not pandering.  So far my vote is for Obama, but guess we can find out he is like Pelosi and everything will be off the table after he gets in office.  On the other hand he may true to his word. 

Happen to agree Jersey Girl, Obama’s medical plan sucks.  Like I said before we will only know when.

The Shepherd and The stumble?

Only as you call it, guess I am suppose do dig around and find out if you comment is fact or fiction?  Site a source please. 

If they are all liars and thieves, we should all not vote, that will show them.

“He’s our only hope.” The road to hell is paved with such thoughts.

No Leefeller, I don’t think you’re being overly optimistic. And, I’m honestly not so sure that it’s about the pandering. (though I admit he indulged in that at that AIPAC appearance...that was bad).

But, putting that aside, this really isn’t any deviation to what he’s already said. This is the conversation that I was involved in with Jersey Girl on one of the other threads. She’s trying to use Obama’s comments on FISA PRIOR to now, to somehow make the claim that his position has changed, based on the remarks that he’s made about this recent House compromise bill.

In reality, his position THEN (based on his remarks then) is no different than his position NOW, based on his remarks NOW. But Jersey Girl has spun a different interpretation, based on the anti-Obama trolling agenda. Whatever the ‘frame’ of whatever it is, (Obama’s necktie maybe) it has to demonize Obama and make him ‘accountable’ for stuff.

What stuff?

Well, anything that Jersey Girl and troublesum and Max and others, say that he should be accountable for.

War in Iraq? Yep, that’s his fault.

Near total destruction of the rule of law? Check. His fault as well.

9/11 and the so-called ‘war on terror’? Yep, that was Obama’s fault too. Nobody knew who he was at the time, but what the hell...might as well blame that on him as well.

And then there’s the worst of his crimes...he’s an ‘Elitist’ Nerd of Color. And..an AUDACIOUS one at that!

Anyway, I said all of that to say that actually, I think he really is being consistent in what his position on this has always been. He doesn’t believe that the telecoms should have retroactive immunity for breaking the law. He said that a year or so ago when they were going through this same shit with the shurb trying to protect them, and he’s saying the same thing now.

Common sense would suggest to nearly everyone that Obama had no control over the House version of this bill, and no control over Nancy Pelosi for sure.

However, they came up with what they came up with, and Obama’s reaction has been to say that he doesn’t want/like/whatever the provision of it that provides retroactive immunity to any of them, and that he will work to eliminate that provision from the Senate version.

At this point, I have no reason NOT to take the guy at his word. If nothing else, Obama has been consistent in his message, and at the same time still flexible enough to adjust to changing facts.

Facts DO change. When a leader is unable to change his or her mind as facts and conditions change, we get disaster. Like what we’re living now under the totalitarian regime of Dick Bush.

Meantime, that’s why his big lead. He’s our only hope.

Well, just found out Obama said he will fight the wire tapping bill for law suits against big telephone companies, when it is on the Senate floor.  Maybe some of the pandering is coming back to haunt him or am I being overly optimistic?

Well, no surprises here. In fact, I would expect this lead to grow from this point on. American’s are desperate for a chance to get our government back from the thugs/terrorists that high-jacked us.

Needless to say, that desperation, (and hope) will continue to be reflected in any polls that are conducted.