Yes Leefeller,

I sort of miss the comments on the comments section myself. It took a bit of adjusting to it, and now we’ll have to adjust back I guess.

Seems hard to find a perfect system for this. On the one hand, the comments to the comments saved a lot of the back and forth and made it easier to follow one ‘branch’ of the discussion. BUT, it was easy to miss stuff that way as well. This puts everything at the top, but can lead to confusion if one is referencing another comment. So, no perfect solution I guess.

Meantime, I do have a ‘solution’ for the Hillary problem, since her supporters are so bitter. Maybe we could just create a Monarchy, and let Bill and Hill be the King and Queen.

I’ve noticed that so many of her supporters seem to have already given her that persona, and so has the media. I mean, how many post mortem articles and other media mini-series have we had on her now? One poster links to a ‘heartwarming’ look back on her campaign, and we’ve got this one on what ‘she’s due’ and there are a million others. One would think we were burying a beloved princess or something. When’s the last time, (if EVER) there’s been this ‘look back’ at the LOSER in any election campaign? I mean, seriously…this is rabbit hole stuff. Nothing’s been the same ever since we elected one guy in 2000, and those other ones moved in to the White House anyway.

So, I don’t know. It seems like American’s have always been enamored with “royalty’ anyway; kings, and queens, and knights and ladies, and princes and princesses. I don’t know WHY, since I thought that’s what they were trying to get away from when they left Britain in the first place, and came over here and slaughtered all of the real Americans, to set up a new system – a so-called democracy. Now they wanna go back to Royal Monarchies. Her supporters call her “Our Hillary”. Geeze!

So, I figure..what the hell. The current monarchy has already totally changed the structure of the government as we once knew it…reorganizing the ostensible structure, with the standard agencies and all, and creating the shadow government at the same time, which of course calls all of the shots anyway. So, why not add a Monarchy, just to complete the confusion. They can combine that with the Shadow government, and there will be less to keep track of. Hillary’s fans can think of her like Queen Elizabeth or something, and Obama can go ahead and direct the real work that the rest of us count on, if we expect to survive another decade or so. Besides, that would keep them out of the way, and not underfoot. 

I remember when we had to do that back in my days in the corporate field. We’d have a really complex operation going on, and a supervisor would show up to ‘help’ and supervise. This one woman (supervisor) was like a walking promise that the whole thing would go right down the tubes if she was around. So, we devised a plan. Anytime she’d show up at the gate for a complex departure operation, somebody would have her paged to another gate. (or even another terminal if we could work it out). That would generally keep her out of our hair for long enough to actually get the work done.

So, do you think that would work with Billary?

cyrena,

Thanks for the link, much more comprehensive then my post, but in the same jest.

Well TD is seems to be working smoother now, sort of miss the comment on the comments though.

Truth, posted information I did not know about Obama, so thanks Truth.

Leefeller,

I have to agree of course. But then, I’ve been seeing the same thing. It’s never been about anybody but Hillary, and at the same time, Billary. (hard to explain concept). Still, just that whole thing of how it’s been ‘their dream’ that evolved from her dream, and was simply supposed to be some sort of an inevitability, which is how it’s been framed for the US population’s consumption. And that’s why it’s STILL causing polarization and divisiveness. For whatever the reason, too many American’s have elevated Hillary to Monarchy role, which would be OK if our system was structured to include both. (Like England’s). But, it is not!

Anyway, what you’ve suggested here is the same thing that Dr. Wilmer Leon suggests, and what I guess we’ve just been seeing from the beginning. It’s why I guess I was put off from the beginning. I wasn’t IMMEDIATELY convinced that Obama was the best choice, (though he’s certainly proved it since) but I DID know immediately that Hillary was the LAST best choice, of every democratic candidate that began in this contest. And, this is the reason! Because, it was always about HER, and never about US!

Sadly, the divisiveness continues, and I honestly don’t know how it will resolve. Anyway, here’s the piece by Dr. Leon. He’s always really insightful, though this probably won’t be anything that we don’t already know.

Is It Really About “You” the American People or Just About Hillary?
Thursday 05 June 2008

by: Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

http://www.truthout.org/article/is-it-just-about-hillary

Looking at it anyway you want, Hillary did not provide a feeling of inclusiveness, and she never really addressed issues.  Her whole campaign was divisive with nothing that I could see to tone down bigotry, and pettiness. 

Hell, I would not be surprised to find out Obama wrote her last speech.

Obama said it is not about him, it is about us.  It remains to be seen, but as far as the Clintons go, we know it was always about them.

Dear The Truth!!
You are a GIFT to US Humanity! Oh Yes you are!
Thank you ever so much for doing this research, because I know it takes time. So, I’ll do my part to just spread this all over the place.

Meantime, I thought I’d just add this to your already excellent list and posts, since this is a way for anyone who chooses, to verify all you’ve provided, AND MORE!

OBAMA DEMANDS VA INVESTIGATE ALLEGATIONS OF PTSD MISDIAGNOSES TO REDUCE COSTS

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senator Barack Obama today sent the following letter to Secretary of Veterans Affairs James Peake, calling on him to investigate reports that a psychologist at a Texas Veterans Affairs (VA) facility told staff members to refrain from diagnosing veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in order to reduce costs. According to today’s Washington Post, the psychologist, Ms. Norma Perez, apparently emailed Teague Center staff members suggesting the alternative diagnosis to limit the number of tests required to diagnose PTSD. Since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan began, thousands of service members have returned home suffering from combat-related psychological injuries like PTSD, which require much-needed treatment. - Read more:

• Obama Joins Bond and Boxer to Introduce Bill to Improve Care for Wounded Service Members

• Statement of Senator Barack Obama on the Veterans’ Benefits Enhancement Act

• Obama, Bond Applaud Senate Passage of Amendment to Expedite the Review of Personality Disorder Discharge Cases

http://obama.senate.gov/

Ok…get the kids ready for school, and thanks again.

YES WE CAN!

I was blown away as I started going through his record.  I’ve already mentioned his bills on health care and energy. In addition he had introduced bills on Iran, voting, veterans, global warming, campaign finance and lobbyists, Blackwater, global poverty, nuclear proliferation, and education.
On Iran: S.J.RES.23 : A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.

On votingPassed out of Committee and now on the Senate Calendar for Feb. 22, 2008
S.453 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections Please check this out! This is a great bill. We need this. I can’t believe that this time voter intimidation is not already illegal.

On veterans and military personnel: S.1084 : A bill to provide housing assistance for very low-income veterans;

On global warmingS.1324 : A bill to amend the Clean Air Act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation fuel sold in the United States;S.1389 : A bill to authorize the National Science Foundation to establish a Climate Change Education Program; S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy. (This last one passed both the House and the Senate as part of the budget bill.)

On campaign finance and lobbyists S.2030 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists; and S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

On Blackwater S.2044 : A bill to provide procedures for the proper classification of employees and independent contractors, and for other purposes, and S.2147 : A bill to require accountability for contractors and contract personnel under Federal contracts, and for other purposes.

I counted nine education bills, but it’s getting late and I’ve got to get my kids ready for bed. 

As I mentioned earlier, Clinton is a frequent co-sponsor on many of Obama’s bills. So is Ted Kennedy. So are a number of Republicans.

Finally, Obama appears to have a better record last year in the Senate on getting his bills and amendments passed than does Clinton. I’ve listed everything that passed the Senate for each them at the end in boxes. But check out Thomas.loc.gov for yourself. I may have missed something.

In my eyes Obama is the superior choice in every way. He cares about more of the issues that matter to me. Kids and health care are important but so is the issue of global warming, on which Clinton introduced not a single bill last year.

Obama is a leader. With bigger majorities in Congress, much of his agenda should sail through. He can inspire this country to change course on so many things, from health care to global warming, where attitudes have to be changed first. I remember Bill Clinton’s endless laundry lists of small, focus group approved initiatives. For those who say Hillary will not govern like Bill did, I respond that the people who were doing the market testing of his proposed policies were Dick Morris, of course, and Mark Penn, who is now running Hillary’s campaign.

It’s Obama for me! I just sent him $100. My first donation this election.

Yes, We Can!

LETS GET A FEW THINGS STRAIGHT..
1ST,ALL THIS TALK ON WHAT HAPPENED TO HILLARY AND HOW SHE LOST IS SIMPLE..
SHE GOT BEAT!!

SHE GOT BEAT BY SOMEONE WHO PREPARED BETTER,FOUGHT HARDER,AND WAS SMART ENOUGH NOT TO ATTACK HER LIKE SHE DID HIM AND COME OFF AS A BULLY BEATING ON A GIRL..

2ND, FROM THE DAY SHE ENTERED THE RACE,SHE HAD NAME RECOGNITION,8 YEARS AS 1ST LADY,POLITICAL POWERHOUSES AS FRIENDS,AND MOST OF ALL.. MONEY!!!!
SHE DID NOT PREPARE OR RUN HER CAMPAIGN FOR THE LONG HALL LIKE HE DID..
HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE INTERNET,HIS ORGANIzATIONAL SKILLS,AND HIS ABILITY INSPIRE PEOPLE AND MOVE THEM WITH HIS SPEECHES..

3RD,SHE RAN ON THE SAYING,"I HAVE OVER 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE”..WHAT EXPERIENCE????
THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CLINTONS CABINET AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE SAID THAT SHE DIDN’T HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS,OR EVEN SITTING IN MEETINGS CONCERNING THE ECONOMY,OR EVEN VOTING ON ANYTHING..

BUT AS U PUT IT,SHE HAS EXPERIENCE..LMAO,GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE..

OBAMA,RAN ON JUDGEMENT..
REMINDING ALL,THAT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CLAIM EXPERIENCE,LIKE SHE AND JOHN MC CAIN,AND ALL THEIR EXPERIENCE,GOT US IN THE WAR AND PREDICTAMENT THAT WE ALL ARE IN NOW!!

3RD,BE HONEST..THE REASON I SEE ON THE INTERNET,HEAR ON TALK SHOWS ON THE RADIO,AND SEE ON TV ABOUT HOW U CAN’T VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE U ARE AFRAID,IS WEAK..AFRAID OF WHAT???

U GOT A BLACK MAN WHO HAS FACED PREJUDICE,LIKE HILLARY,AND OVERCAME IT..

HE GREW UP POOR AND ON FOOD STaMPS,UNLIKE
HILLARY AND MC CAIN,aND OVERCAME THAT TOO!!

HE GREW UP WITHOUT KNOWING HIS FATHER WITH HIS SINGLE MOTHER AND GRANDPARENTS RAISING HIM LIKE MOST YOUNG KIDS DO NOW,AND U SINGLE MOTHERS OUT THERE THINK THAT HILLARY KNOWS BETTER OR BEST FOR U???

SHE HAD PARENTS AND MONEY…
SO DID JM AKA JOHN MC CAIN…

OBAMA KNOWS WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE POOR..
BUT DID HE RAISE THIS AS AN ISSUE OR COMPLAIN ABOUT IT???

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE STAYED HEAD STRONG,WAS SELF MOTIVATED,AND WHAT DO U KNOW,ENDED UP AT HARVARD!!!

MS.CLINTON,WOULD SAY OR DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR VOTE..
4TH..THE LIES aBOUT GETTING OFF A PLANE UNDER GUNFIRE,THAT SHE REPEATED ON MORE THAN 2 OCCASIONS..AND HER SUPPORTERS CLAIMING THAT THE MEDIA WAS ATTACKING HER BECaUSE OF THE STATEMENT..WELL,SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE LIED,AND TRIED TO COMPETE WITH JM TO SAY SHE TOO HAD COMBAT EXPERIENCE,LOL...WELL....

5TH..HAVE U CLINTON BACKERS EVEN LIFTED A FINGER ON YOUR KEYBOARD TO SEE JUST WHAT SHE’S DONE IN THE SENATE????

SHE HAD ONE MEANINGFUL BILL SHE SPONSORED,AND IT WAS ABOUT HEALTHCARE...THAT WAS IT!!!
THE OTHER 19 HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING..LIKE,NAMING POST OFFICES AFTER SOMEONE..WHAT THE HECK???

OBAMA HAD MORE EXPERIENCE ON HIS 1ST DAY IN THE SENATE THAN CLINTON DID..
AND HAD WRITTEN,SPONSORED,AND PASSED MORE BILLS THAN SHE DID..
DON’T BELIEVE ME??

LOOK IT UP!!

Giving Hillary Her Due? And What due is that? She ran for her partys nomination and lost. There was nothing altruistic about her candidacy. She displayed a complete lack of integrity. I found it hard to watch her because she tried to use her gender as reason for deserving the nomination. There are so many women who could have been better nominees than she was. I have been an Obama supporter since Edwards dropped out of the race but if he had used his race to declare himself as more deserving of nomination I would not have supported him. I have no doubt that we will have a woman president in the future but I would hope that she will be a woman of intelligence and integrity (just as any man should be). Sexism and racism are alive and well in our country but to claim these as reasons to throw away the basic standards for anyone wanting to hold the Office of President is beyond insane.

The media revolution has begun. For the people, by the people.... “America Happens”

http://www.americahappens.com

“God controls who wins elections. Always has, always will.” Redphilly

It completely baffles me how those whose dysfunctional brainwaves issue such vomitus even have enough skill to type it into words.

Some folk have a LOT of evolving to do.

I am one who couldn’t stand Hillary Clinton when the race started but slowly came around to Pollitt’s point of view that she should be honored for what she did.  People who post here seem to express hatred awfully easy.  Its a passion yes, but an entirely negative one.  As you think, so you become.

Puple Girl..I always enjoy the passion of your posts, (matches my own) but I had to laugh out loud at this:

“...It’s about time Hillary proves she can even Wipe her Own Ass!

She wouldn’t know Sexism and th ereal Struggles women face everyday just to keep things afloat if they came Up and ‘bitch slapped her’!! “

Oh Lordy! It’s true. She really wouldn’t have a clue..not even if they came up and ‘bitch slapped’ her.!

Oh my. I’m still giggling at that one.

On second thought I take back what I’ve said in other posts.  While HRC is out of the running even for the VP slot, she can still be a force with which to be reckoned----she could become the Senate majority leader and with BHO as president she would wield significant power for her own agenda.  As for NY, she’ll be their senator for a long time to come.

Why would I applaud someone I can’t stand.

And that’s just it really, hypocracy..

That’s why I turned away from her campaign, because she was a hypocrit. And you you expect me to be just like her?

Get a clue..

She is DUE to be Thrown out of the Democratic party (praising Mac over Obama). She is DUE to be verbally flogged for her Misuse of the Womens Movement (Demanding th eBar be Lowered).She is DUE to be Run out of Public Office for her complicty with this adminsitration (Votes, silence and failure to use her Clout to get US out of this War and BS faning of action with her ‘blink of an eye’ whisper for an Exit Plan).
Oh she is DUE alright .Work all day, come home to make Dinner, clean the house, run the errands, fed the dog (and poopy scoop), help with school projects, take care of her parents.........
It’s about time Hillary proves she can even Wipe her Own Ass!
She wouldn’t know Sexism and th ereal Struggles women face everyday just to keep things afloat if they came Up and ‘bitch slapped her’!!
She has this 45 yr old Female, working class, 6th generation Scotch irish Pissed OFF! good Bye good riddance and Hope the Door smacks you on the Ass on the way OUT!
NOTE- to all those who are going to scream....I voted for Kucinich in the Rigged MI Primary.so trying to blame Obama for my views doesn’t hold water- Don’t bother!

I would applaud her for running such a terrible campaign that she went from preemptive front runner to loser because I don’t trust her or her husband.  Their “Republican Light” policies cost the Dems the White House in 2000, so they are responsible for the carnage of the past 8 years, at least in part.

She ran a terrible campaign.  Terry McCauliff is one of the most sickening individuals in American Politics and so is Hillary.

To i,Q (and others):

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Oops, i just found some info in the “Voter Suppression” thread from the Truthdig Webmaster which clarifies in detail the position of the staff regarding user submitted comments and also a short reply to Gramma Concept who had asked about the reply function mentioned in my previous post. It was causing the long delays in loading the pages, so they have temporarily disabled that feature.

OK, so i got a little reactionary. Sorry about that, but i am still starting a diary at the Kos too.

But i meant what i said about Hillary.

What the heck is going on here at Td? First commenters (i heard it from Expat first and now alicecbrown) report that comments are being censored for content, now the “reply to this” button is disabled along with the comment title.

TruthDig, are you intentionally trying to discourage conversation? Not only is this ethically irresponsible for a site whose very name implies sharing of ideas and facts, it is stupid from an ad revenue perspective. Less conversing means less reloads means less views.

i think i’ll be finding a new place to play. DailyKos maybe? If anyone else wants to join me, read my diary over there: iQ

Oh yeah, HIllary news is getting boring. She’s gotten almost everything she has asked for, and more importantly she got what she deserves.

See y’all later. Or maybe not.

Hillary ran a tough campaign.  It took Obama like forever to nail the nomination down.  You have to give her credit for that like he did.  Its a good thing there are only 50 states because it saved him the embarrassment of losing anymore of them.  He knows he won on a wing and a prayer.  He’s a real gentleman and treated her kindly in victory.  You’d have to go back to Lincoln to find anybody in American politics with so much forebearance, kindness, and generosity of spirit as Obama seems to have.  Is it real?  I guess we’ll find out.

is a giant Razpberry. She wasn’t in this for Women or
Americans but Hillary. All she could smell was power. No matter how many times she runs I will never vote for her. She is a snob and looks down her
nose at the working man. She only plays to them because she needs their votes. BOO FOR HILLARY.

I read somewhere today on the web that the most talked about issue in the entire year long primary season was Obama’s minister.  No other issue came close.  This is intended to keep the rabble from interfering in the process.  With all the probems facing the country we were told we better think about Rev Wright.

Hard to believe that anyone sees Hillary as ‘super-smart.”

If she was ‘super smart’ she wouldn’t have done such incredibly stupid things to cost her not just the election, but the rest of her political career.

How is that ‘smart’?

Arrogance is never ‘smart’ when you are so arrogant that you under-estimate the competition, and fail to connect with the people you want to vote for you.

How smart is it to insult the people you’re trying to influence by calling them names like a ‘cult’?

And how can anyone really believe that she’s made things ‘better’ for women in the political sphere, when she’s spent the past 6 months displaying the worst of the behavior that is all to often associated with women who display any independence of thought? All she’s done for 6 months is show out, pout, act like a spoiled brat when she didn’t get her way, and then blame it all on being treated unfairly because she’s a woman.

How has she made things ‘better’ for women? In the case of folks who don’t like strong women in politics anyway, she’s only provided fuel for the…”I told you so’s, and the other ignorants who would love to be able to use her as an example of all female politicians.

She ‘whined’ that her supporters had ‘deserted her’ when the reality is that she RAN THEM OFF!

It’s also annoying to keep hearing folks claim that she’s done all of this ‘door opening’ for females in politics, when the reality is that we’ve had females in politics for a long time now. And I’m certain that several of them could be elected to president, IF THEY WANTED TO RUN for the office. Matter of fact, I can think of a couple right now who WOULD have won this nomination, IF THEY’D CHOSEN TO RUN!

Meantime Louise, on her debts. I don’t honestly know the exact figure of her debts, and I’m not so sure that it’s simply a case of her not being able to manage money, in respect to her campaign. Hillary ran into financial problems because she didn’t manage her campaign, rather than that she didn’t manage the money. (the arrogance again). She started out with oodles of corporate and old political dynasty money, but she only planned a campaign to last until Feb 5th. She did not plan for ANY campaign expenses after that, because she was sure she’d have the nomination by that time. (I’m not sure WHY she thought that, because she didn’t even bother to campaign in a whole bunch of ‘unimportant’ states). So..she spent all the money she had by Feb 5th, and that’s how she ran out. And aside from the big money that she started out with, she never got any more.

Obama continued to collect small amounts from supporters every month, and of course he made it a point to get to EVERYBODY, and not just the ‘important states’. (as Hillary had already decided we Americans were or were not). Only the ‘big states’ counted.

Really, really, stupid.

No. I don’t see anything ‘due’ Hillary, and I’m sure her so-far unpaid creditors don’t either. Now if her creditors tried to use the same wacky math that she tried with the delegates, she’d do better to just file bankruptcy. Imagine if they tallied-up a catering bill the same way she tried to tally up Michigan votes?

Sounds like a Halliburton or KBR operation, eh?

Galvanized?

1.  To stimulate or shock with an electric current.
2. To arouse to awareness or action; spur: “Issues that once galvanized the electorate fade into irrelevance” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).
3. To coat (iron or steel) with rust-resistant zinc.

1. Well, it was like 6 long months of being strapped into the electric chair.
2. Yes, the whole thing spurred me to contemplate gouging out my own eyes with a rusty spoon.
3. Not hardly.  It was more like electroplated gold jewelry that wears off and turns your skin green.

Maybe i’m too cynical, but this whole process only exposed the whole charade for what it is...turns out there’s just an old guy behind the curtain who looks a little too much like Rupert Murdoch.

But yeah, other than making me never want to vote again it was great.

I agree that it was the Iraq vote that gave Obama an opening.  It allowed him to look like the anti-war candidate which he isn’t.  Sexism and racism both lost in this campaign and the country will never be the same.

How deeply in debt is she?
At 17 million votes, how much did each vote cost?
Has she frisked her respective campaign leaders?

Just curious. It’s a “woman” thing.

I’m a little uncertain about the standing ovation though. A tepid applause maybe. After all, she has given fuel to the notion that woman cant manage money and that smarts. Especially given our economy demands that we now do three times as much with our dollar as we did just a few months ago.

Course I can’t blame Hillary for that. That credit goes to a republican congress a republican administration and a whole slew of dummies who put them in power.

Oh, and a few dems who voted to start this stupid and VERY expensive war.