How arrogant -How self centered - how delusional!!!
Seh is intenetianally Trying to ruin our Chances in Nov.
Shut Up Sit Down and get he F*ck out of the Way!
I so dreamed Obama would be introducing his VP Choice last Night. there is NO reason He or We should have to cater to her Whims ANY MORE.That BS prove deven futher her total disreagrd for OUR Party - She might as well Join LIEberman on the Treason list working for Mac! In fact let thos eTwo Corp Whores Run together. their ‘Divide and Conquer’ tactic didn’t work.
Come on Obama do NOT allow her to Yank Yours Or OUR Chains any Longer.She hasn’t EVER been a REAL Dem, just a covert operative who slipped her way in On Bill’s coat tail. Along with the Other DLC’er who have been nothing more than minions for the Corps. It’s time to run those asshole out of OUR Party, before they Destroy OUrs like they did the Real Old School Republicans Party. In Fact I would be Thrilled to see you Nmae Sen Chuck Hagel as Your VP= that would make Mac Shit his pants! Old Repubs & indenpendents would be alos Pleased by your choice of another Patriot regardless of color on the ticket!

Obama/Hagel ‘08!!!

Am I getting that Hillary is saying to Obama you owe me?  You owe me the vice-presidency; you owe me the money to pay off my campaign debt; you owe me the promise that you will carry out my policies; and the big one, you owe me your win.

Isn’t that kinda like admitting that running against her was no contest?  I doubt that’s what Hillary’s thinking, but that’s what comes across.

Close race? True dat. If you do number rounding the percentage is....(drum rolls inserted here): 50/50.

However (and I probably said this somewhere else maybe on this thread), in real horse races, they put cameras at the finish line and it doesn’t matter at all where the horses were on the track before the shutter clicks—even if the losing horse surges in the final quarter lap. The nose in front gets the wreath.

A mighty close race by any measure, eh?

But the rules da rules: Obama wins.

Forgetting for a moment (I know it’s hard, but if you squeeze your eyes shut and concentrate...) that Clinton is a vile, opportunistic, murderess MacBeth-like political viper who thinks only of herself and would eat her own young if it would give her power, would you consider selecting her as your running mate if you were Obama, based strictly on the numbers? Given that her demographic appears to have little overlap with your own, would that make sense?

You’re not concentrating!

I hope y’all know that we blog-reading types are a small fringe group of voters. No one of consequence in politics - be it Obama, Clinton, or the DNC takes our views into consideration when making political decisions.

You hang around long enough in these cyber spaces, talking about the issues and sharing your “wisdom” in these perpetual letters-to-the-editor machines, and you start to think you are somehow smarter and matter more than all those people who go about their lives the old fashioned way: doing things.

I hate to disabuse you of your bubble (Bush ain’t the only one with a comfy bubble), but not eeryone projectile vomits at the mere mention of Clinton’s name. Barack may astonish us all in different ways, but one thing we can be sure of, he will choose his running mate based on what he thinks will get him elected, and we make very little difference in that regard. You’ve been singing his praises based on his judgment (Iraq, campaign strategy, etc.); let’s see how that opinion holds up…

First, since Clinton’s continuing forward is completely based on her assertion of receiving the most popular votes, I had this scary, hair-brained idea: Okay, accept her assertion, but do the math myself.

I admit to relying on the raw data supplied by RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/presiden t/democratic_vote_count.html).

Of course, the Clinton math only works out if you accept a whole lot of “yeah, but” ideas, like

Yeah, but don’t count the IA, NV, ME, WA elections because they didn’t report actual popular vote tallies (you know, based on that heretical basis that this is an election in which the delegate numbers are what determines who is nominee).

Yeah, but you can only count the Michigan numbers for me BECAUSE OBAMA DIDN’T RECEIVE ANY VOTES (you know, his name was not on the ballot; of course, let’s not look at the 33,000 write-ins that were not tallied due to THE MI RULES… hate them darned rules...).

Yeah, but you have to count all of Florida (you know, forget that Ms. Clinton said “the vote won’t count” about both FL and MI in a NH interview before those “contests” played out, or that her main RBC proponent, Harold Ickes, cast a 2007 vote in the RBC to flat-line MI and FL jump-up primaries).

So, since she can do “yeah, but” math, I figured I could do a little on my own:

Accepting ANYTHING from my home state, MI, is meaningless, since the numbers are so fouled up there is no meaningfully statistical way to evaluate Obama’s support and, by extension of that fact, Clinton’s real percentage of “win” here. Gone.

If electability in the fall is the bottom line issue here, as Clinton has emphasized over and over and over since the beginning of this primary race, I say “Okee dokee. Let’s run with that, and do so with the numbers.” Virgin Islands, Guam, and Puerto Rico, whose numbers are meaningless concerning fall electability because none of them can vote in the general elections? Gone.

Florida? Fine. All names were on the ballot, record numbers came out to vote, and nobody really campaign there. Yes, it is true that without that on-the-ground campaigning, the people who are lesser known at the time this election occurred—meaning everybody BUT Clinton—would necessarily be disadvantaged. It would be a popularity contest, where she was the only popular person in the room. But, who cares? I left those popular vote numbers in there, just as they were cast.

Hey, I even left out IA, NV, ME, WA guesstimates, because they WOULD be guesstimates. Point Clinton.

What are the results of that math?

The total of that popular vote is 34,443,376.

Clinton won 17,166,651 of the total.

Obama won 17,276,725 of the total.

Tossing out the fuzzy MI, IA, NV, ME, and WA numbers and only counting those who CAN vote for POTUS in the fall leaves Obama ahead 110,074 in the popular vote.

I encourage anyone to go do their own interpretations of that data (or accept RCP’s own ultimate decision that Obama won the popular votes).

Hillary and Bill can now possibly better identify with so, so, many working class Americans who work their asses off and get nowhere.  Except, workers do it for a lifetime, Hillary for just a year or so.

So sorry, Hillary.  Bad things happen to good people. Pull yourself up.  Get a grip.  Stay positive.  Keep your chin up.  Look on the bright side.  Don’t worry, be happy.  It’s not over til the fat person sings.  Count your blessings. You’ll be O.K.  It’s not that important.  Win a few, lose a few.  Try not to think about it.  Into each life a little rain must fall. 

Itsy, bitsy spider climbed up the water spout. 
Down came the rain and washed the spider out.
Out came the sun and dried up all the rain
and the itsy, bitsy spider said, “Maybe I should take some time off and reassess my relationship with that f*****g water spout.”

Yup. The Hillary we know and love. The Hillary who worked up this byzantine health care reform package back in 1993, didn’t listen to any input from members of Congress IN HER OWN PARTY and would not compromise on one written line in that package at a time when both sides of the congressional aisle were willing to compromise and put a package in place.

Gotta love her spunk, Right? As a result of her unflagging stubbornness, the Democrats lost the majority in Congress, and we find ourselves still chatting about health care reform 15 years later.

Personally, I hope Obama offers her the VP slot and she accepts it to spite him. First, she would have to halt her POTUS campaign, so no floor fight in Denver. And, she might as well go on a four year vacation after they win, because I doubt she would attend a single cabinet meeting. In fact, I’d be very surprised indeed if she and Bill would ever get invited across the street to the WH for anything but photo ops or freeing of turkeys at Thanksgiving.

It could be a long, cold stay in Number One Observatory Circle, the VP mansion.

Of course, in that scenario, Obama would almost have to create a new cabinet level position with the sole duty of watching his back, because he surely could not trust her or Bill anywhere near him, and he would likely spend half of his time undoing continual acts of Clinton sabotage of his plans and actions.

But then that’s going to be true no matter what happens to the VP selection or whether she is in or out.

Obed,

On SuperDels, about the most objective source I’ve found is here (http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/).

About anything being hidden? Well… I dare say almost anything anyone *wants* to find is reachable through Google or other search tools—but, as with any research, and especially true when doing research on the Internet, you have to be pretty careful believing one source over any other. Most of this stuff here is propaganda, one way or another, and the only way to decide if (as I suggested above) that one source is more or less objective than another is to compare all sources of info against others and see which ones seem to stack up.

I’m here because I am a liberal-leaning independent, and this site has a more liberal bias. In this case I choose to meet at a watering hole for those who (primarily) share my predilections.

About how the SuperDels influenced this election process or if they did? Of course they did effect the election, but not so much as the primaries and caucuses. What is more important is to pay attention to other things being tossed out by candidates as reasons for winning or losing.

The Democratic primary process that ended its most important first phase is one of who gets the most delegates. That person wins the nomination. Obama got the most; he won.

As with real horse races, wins are wins, losses are losses and, if that were not true, they wouldn’t put a camera at the finish line. The horse whose nose is in front wins, and it does not matter one whit where the horses were on the track before that finish line. Even if the horse who loses by a nose surged in the final quarter of the track, if the lead horse wins by the distance of the length of its nose, that horse gets the wreath. No conspiracy theories required.