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Ear to the Ground

Island Catches Clinton Fever

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Posted on Jun 1, 2008
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Hillary Clinton scored a huge win in Puerto Rico on Sunday, though she still needs an argument for the superdelegates. The candidate was hoping for major gains in the popular vote, but a local politico tells CNN that Puerto Ricans, who can’t vote in the general election, were less enthusiastic than mainland primary goers: “Most people in Puerto Rico, I would venture to guess, they are not even aware that there’s a primary going on.”

Update: In her victory speech, Clinton claimed to lead in the popular vote. This is true only if one counts voters in Michigan, where Barack Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballot, but not caucus states, which Obama mostly won. That’s more than just a stretch—it doesn’t even make sense. Why on Earth discount caucus goers?


CNN:

Clinton’s campaign has been arguing that a landslide victory would push her ahead in the popular vote and help her convince superdelegates to pick her instead of Obama.

To cross that threshold, she would need to win 65 percent of the vote with a turnout of at least 2 million people.

But Luis Hector, an elections official, said only 1.5 million ballots were printed.

CNN estimates turnout will be between 325,000 and 425,000.

“Most people in Puerto Rico, I would venture to guess, they are not even aware that there’s a primary going on,” said Luis Pabón-Roca, a local political analyst.

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By Trigger finger, June 2, 2008 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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Its high time Hillary gets her big butt back to doing the job she was elected and getting paid to do or face impeachment.

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By Grandma Geese, June 2, 2008 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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Expressing boundless gratitude, Hillary thanks Puerto Rico for giving her another reason to keep the anger alive.

“And I would like to thank my campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe for making sure when he was the chairman of the DNC that Michigan would not be successful in upsetting the placement and rotation of states which would go first in the primary’s, insuring Michigan would not in any way be able to influence the early votes.

And I would like to thank the republican party for their sterling support in making sure Florida was forced to an early primary. Their thoughtful actions insured my success in the early states, by forcing the elimination of so many other candidates. And I would like to thank them for sending “Protest Is Us” to make such a ruckus at the Rules Committee hearing Saturday. That Hill-Billy attire was a stroke of genius!”

“And though I have so far been unsuccessful in forcing Obama out, I have proved to all of you, I am a fighter and I wont quite fighting until I do!”

“And I would especially like to thank all those angry women who have screamed so tirelessly for me. Our day will come. We will have justice and every man who hurt every one of you will pay!

And while some may say this great victory means nothing in the popular vote, because you good people cant vote in the general election. I feel confident your support here will convince all the uncommitted angry women among the Superdelegates that I am the one they should select!

Make no mistake, there are many angry women among that group of Super Successful women who are as sick and tired as we are of the way they suffer!”

“And finally, I would like to say to my husband who has been so supportive through this battle ... you’ll get yours too!”

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By DR, June 2, 2008 at 6:34 am Link to this comment
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It’s not Bushspeak… it’s the truth. You might not like it, but simply put, the only way Clinton can claim the popular vote is by excluding every single caucus state. That is simply undemocratic in the extreme.

By your argument, we should also discount all those states where a Democratic win is a given. States like California and New York, for example…


Oh, and by the way, she lost Texas.

This is getting stupider by the minute. Clinton lost because Obama simply had a better ground game. That ground game is precisely what is desperately needed in the general against McCain: turnout is absolutely crucial. GOTV operations are what win and lose elections. The fact that Clinton wasn’t able, with every possible advantage, both financial and mechanical, to beat Obama’s GOTV operation is a pretty solid indication of who should be the nominee.

Plus, he won. Period.

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By cyrena, June 2, 2008 at 5:21 am Link to this comment

pmeasely,

Thanks for doing their homework for them. As usual. I swear I get tired of it. Besides, you gave Harry C more credit that I would, because I doubt he’s even bothered to check Obama’s web site. As soon as I read the incredibly ignorant statement about Obama’s presidency being a ‘set back’ for other Black Politicians, I automatically assigned him to the category where he belongs, and I’m going to hold my retort on that. Most folks can figure that out easily enough..even without an education that involves the study of societies’ demographics.

That said, my only question for Harry C is, have you ‘heard’ how Hillary plans to do any of this? Or, to go further, has Hillary even said that she WOULD address the economy, or any of the rest of it? Last I heard, she was blathering on about tax free gas for the summer, even though there was no possible way that she could have shoved it through the bureaucracy in time to make it happen, and it wouldn’t have done a damn bit of good anyway.

What else is she gonna do, and how is she gonna do it? I haven’t heard or read. I’m concerned about the troops that she authorized to send into an illegal war of aggression. I’m wondering why she didn’t know how illegal it was, (since she’s an attorney), to authorize such an act, in violation of ALL the LAWS, of ALL the LANDS –the globe that is- and why as a member of the Armed Services Committee, she hasn’t done a damn thing for our troops in the 6 years since.

So here’s a link to Obama’s Senate Office website, that will at least give you a clue to what he’s doing in his CURRENT job, since Hillary seems to be MIA from her own.

http://obama.senate.gov/

Meantime Harry, the 90’s were an illusion. Yep, things sure seemed ‘better’ in the old days, didn’t they? But now, NAFTA and the Corporate Oligarchy that became so well developed during the Billary reign has come to destroy us, and especially in the hands of the radical thugs that highjacked us in 2000. The Clinton’s were part of the same Monarchy that set us up for this fall. There’s no difference between them and the repugs, because there are only a few shades of color between the neo-cons and the neo-libs.

And contrary to what so many of you choose to still hold dear, Slick Willey Clinton was NOT the first black president. He’s a really smart white guy, and he fooled a lot of folks, including me. And, I still appreciate that he is a really smart guy. There’s little else to appreciate, and the old days are gone. And, that’s a damn good thing,because unless we begin to embrace the reality of today, we don’t stand a chance.

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By Maezeppa, June 2, 2008 at 5:04 am Link to this comment
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Clinton’s “fuzzy math”?  Very, very nice to see Bushspeak showing up on Truthdig.  Just shoot me now.

Here’s a little math for you - unvarnished.  Subtract all those states where Obama romped and stomped in that are going to go to McCain regardless.  Then do the freaking math!  Do a realistic assessment of the blue and purple states and Hillary nails it.  Let’s not forget there’s a probable Rezco conviction out there on the horizon scheduled to hit at a time Obama won’t be able to defend against it if he can.  I think he’s toast and nobody wants to believe it because it’s only the most left and activist sector of the Dem. party engaged right now and we always forget what America is really like.

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By TheRealFish, June 2, 2008 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

This post concludes: “That’s more than just a stretch—it doesn’t even make sense. Why on Earth discount caucus goers?”

Answer: Because she doesn’t care about the party so much as she cares about pumping up her position. It can’t even be about “winning” anymore, because that is mathematically over.

I agree with Rachel Maddow’s prediction that it is now about causing humiliation to Obama and damaging him, keeping her supporters riled up by giving them an argument to cling to, and ensuring things remain unsettled instead of helping the party coalesce in time to start its needed fight against McCain for the fall.

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By Greg Bacon, June 2, 2008 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

With the Clintons, it’s always about them and how the once and future monarchs of America can recapture past glories by winning the 2008 presidential election, by hook or crook.

Hillary is a vicious, almost foaming at the mouth, rabid dog, willing and able to tear into anything and anybody in her bloodied quest for the presidency.

Back in January when she had a commanding lead in the Dem primaries, she was OK with not counting Florida and Michigan primary votes.

Now that the tide has changed, Hillary’s changed her tune and wants to count those votes, even going so far as to have busloads of sycophants trucked in to the DNC meeting to “protest” and raise hell, just like GW Bush had his yuppie protesters bused into to Florida during the vote recount and raise hell, in what was dubbed the “Brooks Brothers” riot

Hillary reminds me of General Sherman’s take no prisoners campaign during his march to Atlanta during the Civil War.

Sherman’s troops slashed and burned their way to Atlanta, laying waste to vast portions of the southern countryside, taking actions that today would be classified as war crimes.

Hillary is the 21st Century’s version of Sherman, only her troops are marching to Denver and like Sherman, will lay waste to any and all that get in their way.

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By cyrena, June 2, 2008 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

There’s nothing TO the ‘Rezco thing’ except for those of you who keep wishing it up, just as you did with the Jeremiah Wright ‘thing’. The “Rezco thing’ is one many trials going on in the country right now…(if it’s not already over…seems I read it was) So…what does that have to do with the price of rice at Costco, or the thousands of toops returned from Iraq to kill themselves or be improperly diagnosed by the thugs in DC to keep them from receiving treatment?

Hillary doesn’t seem to care, (although she’s been on the Senate Armed Services Committee since 2003). Oh yeah…just in time to send all of them over there to have them return and be ignored.

Nope, guess she didn’t get enough votes. At least not from the vets who still can, and not from the rest of us either. Just crazy old white women who count on her to break their ‘glass ceilings’ that they haven’t been willing to break on their own. As if she even would if she could.

Meantime, it would appear that you don’t have ANYTHING figured out. Hillary won. Nobody is debating that anymore than they’ve debated the few other states that she’s won. So what?

You’re right that it isn’t ENOUGH to win the nomination though, because nobody wants to ‘throw out’ all the states that Obama won, anymore than you want to discount the votes that she has won.

So…she WON PR. (at least of those Puerto Ricans who bothered to vote). So, what’s your beef? What is it that you think you’ve ‘figured out’?

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By psmealey, June 2, 2008 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

Another Clinton supporter demanding that Obama’s supporters do their homework for them.  Typical.

This “Obama is vague” thing is a message developed by those who oppose him, and just untrue. I’m looking at Obama’s website right now, the Issues section, and thinking that you’re probably just reading the introductory summary blurbs if anything at alll. I’m wondering if you’ve downloaded the Blueprint for Change. What are your thoughts on his plan to address the mortgage loan crisis? What about the details of his energy policy? What do you think about the employment eligibility program he’s developing with Sen. Grassley to require employers to document their applicants’ INS status? Where are things too vague for you?

Btw, the 90s seemed really great at the time, but the fix we’re in, particularly with regard to almost completely unregulated financial markets, is every bit as much Bill Clinton’s fault as it is George W. Bush’s.

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By psmealey, June 2, 2008 at 3:10 am Link to this comment

The word you’re looking for is “hearkens”.  And you have a lot of nerve making the 3/5s analogy when her principal opponent is an African-American.

I’m so sorry that Hillary has been underprivileged and downtrodden her whole career (Wellesley, Yale, Partner - Rose Law Firm, First Lady, US Senate), but I’m sure that she’ll survive somehow if she doesn’t get the nomination.

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By Maezeppa, June 1, 2008 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment
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I think I’ve got it figured out.  When Hillary wins, it’s never by enough. It’s always “If she doesn’t win by 20 points, it’s really a loss”.  And now, when Hillary romps and stomps, the news reports say oh, the voters don’t represent the “real” opinion of the people?  Since when?  Give me a freakin’ break. 

Subtract out all the Obama wins in states that are going to go to McCain and he’s got a real problem.  And the Rezco thing is going to go nuclear by November.  Hope he’s ready if he’s the nominee.

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By mandinka, June 1, 2008 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment
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This hark-ins back to the 3/5 counting of colored in the Constitution. Democrats in MI and FL are worth less than former slaves

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By Harry C, June 1, 2008 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment
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I have yet to hear how Obama intends to solve any of the current problems he is going to face… Let’s see if I can get this right Obama will bring the troops home, solve problems with the economy, re-establish foreign policies with terrorist nations just to name a few… I have yet to hear how he intends to accomplish these feats ( maybe he has a magic wand ) I know one thing for sure Bill Clinton borought this country back from the economic disaster created by George Sr… It’s a shame that it was turned back over to George Jr who followed perfectly in Daddy’s footsteps… You couldn’t ask for Two better qualified, seasoned and comitted politicians than Hillary & Bill… Sadly I can’t even say I voted for Bill Clinton but the man inherited a mess and our economy and quality of life
was re established… Sadly I think with a little experience and with the Clinton’s setting the ground work I think Obama would make a great Vice President
with his sights set on the Presidency in Eight Years…He would still be young enough and then be a seasoned candidate… The sad part is if he does get elected and cannot get all he promises accomplished he will have set this country back another 4 - 20 years… He will destroy any credibility for future Black politicians and possibly turn the Presidency back over to the Republicans… So the future can look mighty bleak… God Help Us !!!

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By i,Q, June 1, 2008 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

What is pam even talking about? i don’t mean that i think her logic is flawed, i mean i literally cannot decipher what the strings of words are supposed to mean when grouped together in that order.

We really need to throw some money at education in this country. If we continue to emphasize the importance of communication in our society but fail to grasp the simple operational precept that a sentence represents a complete thought, we’ll be left with the information age equivalent of the Tower of Babel.

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By i,Q, June 1, 2008 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

It is rare to see a Hillary supporter willing to be critical of the behavior which has alienated so many of us who used to see her as an acceptable second choice. For that i salute you.

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By James, June 1, 2008 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder what color the sky is in Hilary’s crazy little world?

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By Ned, June 1, 2008 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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Um…huh?

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By pam, June 1, 2008 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
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I think we have been looking at this all wrong, its’ NOT WHAT HILLARY WANTS ITS WHAT SHE ALREADY HAS…VP!

LOOK..
Obama never campagines where she already strong at just a little, but where McCain is stronger at
Here Ickki…Get mad, so the woman will still feel Hillary’s fight
Here Hillary take PR, that will lock up the rest of
The Hispanic votes you and Bill have

He’s always in the corner, like when the bell rings he didn’t hear it

AND BAM! Which is “best able to lead the nation” as president in the face of challenges domestically and abroad.
Clinton got in a familiar dig at Obama, saying voters need to “cut through the speeches and the sound bites for real solutions.”
THIS WAS NO DIG, THIS WAS A PRAISE…STOP WATCHING ALL THE REV WRONGS, STOP LISTENING TO MCCAIN…LISTEN TO US
Obama…Go get’m Girl!
The perfect general election strategy!
A 50 STATE SWEEP! WITH NO WHERE TO GO NOT EVEN PR

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By Ned, June 1, 2008 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment
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I’m enjoying this circus!

YES WE McCAN!

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By David, June 1, 2008 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment
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As a huge Hillary fan, I’m deeply disappointed that her behavior (lack of planning beyond Super Tuesday, lies about Bosnia, changing strategies, overly negative campaign, not managing Bill’s commentary, etc.) has eliminated her as the nominee. I believed in you Hillary as did so many of us… this is simply too little too late and now I see you as an embarrassment—please stop!!!!!

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