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Clinton Chair Blames Obama Camp for RFK Flap

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Posted on May 25, 2008
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Clinton campaign chair Terry MacAuliffe told “Fox News Sunday” that the Obama campaign was responsible for stirring controversy over Hillary Clinton’s assassination remark. MacAuliffe also challenged the basis for uproar: “If Robert F. Kennedy Jr. doesn’t find offense to it, why is it that everybody else should?”

Come on, Terry. People aren’t upset because they think the Kennedy family has been offended.

Barack Obama seemed to dismiss the controversy, telling reporters “when you’re on the campaign trail for 15 months, you’re going to make some mistakes. I don’t think Sen. Clinton intended anything by it, and I think we should put it behind us.” However, his campaign has, as MacAuliffe suggested, distributed commentaries criticizing Clinton’s remark.

Watch MacAuliffe on “Fox News Sunday” here.


Washington Post:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign accused Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign of fanning a controversy over her describing the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy late in the 1968 Democratic primary as one reason she is continuing to run for the presidency.

“The Obama campaign ... tried to take these words out of context,” Clinton campaign chairman Terence R. McAuliffe said on “Fox News Sunday.” “She was making a point merely about the time line.”

The issue is particularly sensitive given longstanding concerns about Obama’s safety as a presidential candidate. (He first received Secret Service protection last May.) The Obama campaign called Clinton’s words unfortunate and circulated a TV commentary criticizing them, although Obama himself said Saturday that he took Clinton at her word that she meant no harm.

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By Nell, June 4, 2008 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment
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I can live with McCain being president for four years. It will definitely be a single term.

Because how long will we have to live with a party that will continue to use hate with women and sexist tactics if they win. We show them their behavior was a winning strategy by voting for him.

As I’ve written before, if I went to a church where the church goers jeered women and hated on people who supported a woman, you could say that their behavior doesn’t represent their preacher or the god they worship. But it does when it is so pervasive.

If I walked into a business where the people behind the counter hated on women and jeered them, you could say it doesn’t represent the CEO, but it does. Particularly when it fueled what he wanted and he didn’t step out in leadership to stop it.

The tone of a candidate’s campaign is the responsibility of the candidate.

I don’t support a campaign fueled on pulling out the hatred on women. I can’t vote for it or send my money to it or give my time to it.

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By Glenn Buesnel-May, May 27, 2008 at 3:48 am Link to this comment
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I like your choice of words, Greg. As an Australian, I didn’t hold a preference on US political pursuasion, and only really became interested when I realised that you have a woman and black running for the WH. This makes this the most seminal election in the history of the modern world. You see, whether it’s Clinton or Obama that goes to election, the socio-psychological effect of their positions, regardless of who becomes President, will echo resoundingly, and globally.

Let’s, for a moment, discount McCain from this discussion. He’s at the line waiting for a competitor. Now, Obama is a black American. The very essence of his race invokes such complex, socio-historic complication. Such tragedy, such, trauma, such triumph and such promise. Imagine…a black man as President of the United States? The Clinton. A woman. A similar mix of significance as I’ve stated for Obama. Same marginalisation. Same tragedy. Same triumph…same promise. But what separates the two? It’s how they’ve related to each other. And it is in this dimension… the dimension of their experiences and derived values that most likely will dictate their Presidential flavour and legacy. It is the conduct of Clinton that places the most doubt in the mind of the external observer. She has shown an emotional nous of dubious intent and motivation. A clever, dare I say, deliberate belligerance that she mixes with intelligent, hungry personal desire. And that’s what has torn her credibility and humanity apart. With this latest clever, sublimely, almost subliminal, third-party threat, she places in the American mind enough fear, enough doubt…and for herself…enough pausible deniability.

America, and the world, doesn’t need another cynical, self-serving sociopath with an unquenchable thirst for power. This world needs maturity, thoughtfulness, balance, aspiration,... innovation in imagination. And the target of Clinton’s political dereliction, a black American, may just bring that to a world that ultimately needs and deserves it.

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By moineau, May 27, 2008 at 12:00 am Link to this comment
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we’re all in a long learning curve, cyrena, for sure! but there seems to be a lot of smart people reading “truthout”, you, par example! take care. and may this all end before it ends badly. xoxoxox ~laura

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By cyrena, May 26, 2008 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Yep Barb,

Gmonst is right. It is a NON-issue. You guys already tried this with Jeremiah Wrigt and THAT didn’t work. And nobody got all hot and bothered with Bills smoking (but allegedly not inhaling) marijuana.

And Billie the Kid’s (GWB)LONG TERM cocaine use and big time boozing it up hasn’t seemed to bother anybody. So, think of something else.

This won’t fly.

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By cyrena, May 26, 2008 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

Excellent points here moineau. Now I don’t know if they actually do it for ‘fun’, but they definitely do it for power and control, which I guess is their kind of ‘fun’. The end result is the same however. They are still killers.

The particulary excellent point is how the neo-liberals aren’t really all that far off from the neo-cons, which is exactly why the Hillary types are so indistinguishable from the repugs.

Took me a while to figure that out, what with all of these new political categories of the 21st Century.

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By Frank Cajon, May 26, 2008 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

Hey, Terry, at least Robert Kennedy Jr. is alive, right? You sure? Had a fact checker working after that Russert thing?

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By Louise, May 26, 2008 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

You are correct Barb, we DO want a democrat to win the presidency in November.

Which is why it’s absolutely imperative Hillary Rodham Clinton do something gracefully for the first time in a long time ... and withdraw her candidacy from the nomination process.

              ~~~~~

“Because a senator - a politician - a person - who can let hang in mid-air the prospect that she might just be sticking around in part, just in case the other guy gets shot - has no business being, and no capacity to be, the President of the United States.”

              ~~~~~

I am continually amazed how people like you cant see that!

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By moineau, May 26, 2008 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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to me, that’s the really sad fact in this whole fiasco of the democrat’s primary: hillary clinton knows exactly what she is doing but her fans don’t appear to see past her number manipulations and frightening (rovelike) view of politics. obama has stayed quite gracious, it is such a dichotomy. like i said, it’s sad and scary. and as far as her policies, she is a neo-liberal which is not very far from a neo-con. and i think that explains it: they are killers, and they do it for fun (i.e., to win campaigns).

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By Gmonst, May 26, 2008 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

Nice red herring Barb, but it won’t work.  Obama’s cocaine use over 20 years ago is a non-issue. Hillary’s behavior during this campaign is much more of a concern to me than some drug experimentation in high school.  What continually amazes me is the shamelessness with which Clinton supporters try to slither Hillary into the nomination on invalid criteria.  Face the facts that she lost a fair contest and will not be the nominee.  It might have been close, but it wasn’t close enough.  Give it up already.

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By HRCmakesmewanttovomit, May 26, 2008 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
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Oh, give me a break!  Wake up and smell the coffee!!

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By Barb, May 26, 2008 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
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I am continually amazed how the media pounds HILLARY CLINTON over out-of-context comments (sensitive yet true) when an Obama ‘ELEPHANT” remains in the room.  I am referring to our “presumptive” candidate’s history of cocaine use.  Just because he admits to it in his 1995 memoir, Dreams of My Father, doesn’t make such risky, knuckleheaded behavior OK in my book.  (No doubt this is part of why countless others claim they would never vote for him.)  Since the media and other bullies think this is a non-issue that everyone is alright with and shouldn’t talk about, you may want to do your own research.  Google:  OBAMA AND COCAINE.  You decide.  Do we need to take this risk with our next Commander-in-Chief when we have a superior alternative?  Who would defend such behavior and why?  I hope that the voters of Montana, South Dakota, Puerto Rico, the Super Delegates, and the DNC are doing their own careful research.  WE WANT A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER!

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By HRCmakesmewanttovomit, May 26, 2008 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment
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In total agreement.  HRC knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she repeatedly used the ‘assination’ message several times during the last few weeks/months.

At this point, she really just makes me want to vomit!

Billary, go back to Arkansas!

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By Frank Cajon, May 26, 2008 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

Just like the gunfire in Kosovo, Billary is trying to tap her red slippers and make her wish the truth-only this time that if she plants the seed by playing the ‘kill the black guy’ card, some hate-filled bastard will make it come to fruition for her and Bubba. Not content to tear down the party by staying in because of a promised sellout of Obama in August by the party insiders, she wants him dead and out of the way. It wouldn’t be the first body the Clintons have washed up, and it would bring the party to her door as its’ true Hubert Humphrey, which was the plan all along. What a bitch, to go on the record as staying in the race in the hope that the other guy gets killed. Billary, you were supposed to keep it quiet.

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By cyrena, May 26, 2008 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

How do you figure Nell?

Obama doesn’t make statements like this.

Besides nobody is ‘doing’ ANYTHING to Hillary. SHE is ‘doing’ everything to HERSELF!

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By felicity, May 26, 2008 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

Hillary, Bill and their advisors fall apart in a crisis.  This time it was the crisis of losing Iowa big time.  They’ve been unglued ever since.  What will they do when the red phone rings at 3:00 am. (They’ll wait for the next day’s polls, you fool.)

Way back when, Hilly forbid Billy from dealing with the Kosovo crisis when it arose because it would put her health-care reform crusade on page 26.  In the interim between when he could have and when he did 250,000 people died.

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By PulSamsara, May 26, 2008 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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Clinton is a moral coward and an advocate for piss-poor state-craft in voting to invade Iraq.

She made her bed - and now she will sleep in it.

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By JimM, May 26, 2008 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

On this witch and maybe she will melt too.

She has already stated that McCain is more qualified to be president, stated Iran would be “obliterated’” and now this RFK remark.

If this were baseball, her sorry, vindictive ass would be outta’ there!

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By Nell, May 26, 2008 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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Everything you are doing to Hillary will be done to Obama by the GOP.
Only worse.

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By wagonjak, May 26, 2008 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
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What a friggin’ a**wipe MacAuliff has turned out to be…

He always appears like he’s hyped up on some kind of speed when he’s on news shows…eyes popping, hands and body moving around, and comments coming in rapid fire sequence…

And to top it all off, in his appearance on Fox News Sunday he repeated the lying mantra that Fox was “fair and balanced”...

The sight of Hillary, MacAuliff or Wolfson on my TV now causes the same kind of stomach churning and anger that appearances of Bush, Cheney or Lieberman used to cause in me…

PLEASE JUST GO AWAY, ALL OF YOU!!!!!!

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By Louise, May 26, 2008 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

“You can swift-boat all you want, but you can’t have my vote”

[Emmy, May 26 at 2:53 am]

“I know a scam when I see one.”

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Of course you do. And like all scam artists you’re counting heavily on that fact to once again steal the White House right out from under the folks who care.

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“The hateful talk is the same.  The manipulation of the facts is the same.  And the targets, the Clintons, are the same.”

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I couldn’t agree more. The Clintons, at least Hillary are the same. Same ol’ blatant, manipulative fear by association. Same ol’ counting on the morons to buy the crap. Same ol’ sense of entitlement. Same ol’ Politics for power and power for me!

Your choice of the word, “same” points out the very best reason to vote for Obama. Because McCain is the “same” and so is Hillary. The need for no more same-ol-same-ol is finally clicking in the minds of the body politic. Twisting that to make it look as though Obama is the same and Hillary is not requires a level of sophisticated double speak you lack.

Go back and practice some more.

Hillary will not be the democrat candidate, so you wont be able to guarantee McCain’s victory that way. You may actually have to acquaint yourself with a few facts to pull that one off, and even then, the truth will work against you. Because defeating Obama will require you pull out all the stops and demonstrate how really disgusting, repubs can be! Racism will be the only weapon left and the repubs know ... that odious, nasty fact will finally expose them for the power hungry liars that they are!

So in the end, they’ll have to fall back on their previously successful method, CHEATING!

That old tried and proven method Stalin was so fond of. It’s not who votes, but who COUNTS the votes.

Hopefully by now, America is sick and tired of being governed by CHEATERS and will be well prepared to stop them in their tracks! Who knows? Maybe even mainstreammedia will have an epiphany and actually REPORT the cheating ahead of the final count!

Wow! How refreshing would that be?

Implying Obama seems to delight in hate-talk politics is something that simply doesn’t hold up. The record is clear, as even this article points out. Obama is as different from the same-ol-same-ol as so-called conservatives are from REAL conservatives. The message of hate and fear and divisiveness is the message of the “so-called” conservatives.

The message of hope for change belongs to EVERYONE who is sick and tired of getting the shaft from the politicians who pretend to be in their service. If Hillary’s words and actions make her appear to belong in THAT camp, she has no-one but herself, and “so-called” supporters like you to blame.

While some of Obama’s supporters may be somewhat over-zealous in their attacks on Clinton, the fact is ... they pale in comparison to the vitriolic hatred directed at Obama from Hillary’s supporters!

Attacks on Obama are usually based on carefully collected excrement. Designed, molded and delivered in the firm belief their pile of shit will make him look like the person they wish he was, but clearly isn’t. And of course in the process Obama attackers get their hands dirty and pick up a certain undeniable odor. Playing around with bull-crap will do that, and once done, is awfully hard to get rid of.

On the other hand, attacks on Hillary [as in this case] are based on something that she and she alone decided to blurt out.

Cheez lady, you think no-one can tell the difference?

We can’t have your vote?
Imagine my surprise ... wink

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By americanabroad, May 26, 2008 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

You are spot on, Suzy Q.  You have shown her true colors with some excellent points.

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By Gmonst, May 26, 2008 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

So which is it Hillary fans?  Is Hillary really so stupid that she can’t understand the deeper implications of her words which she uttered more than once?  Or is she so manipulative that she makes statements like this knowing the deeper implications but knowing she said it in a way that she can spin to have a different meaning when called on it?  Its got to be one or the other and either shows that she wouldn’t be a good president. 

If she is so stupid to not understand the deeper implications of framing the race using examples of assassination, then she does not have the savvy to speak for our country.  Such a mistake in international politics could be devastating.

The alternative scenario (and more likely) is that she knows the deeper implications of her words and is smart enough to know how to say such things with an exit in case of trouble.  If thats the case then she is dishonest, manipulative, and untrustworthy.  This also disqualifies her for the job.

There have been a lot of verbal “missteps” that Hillary has made in this campaign, no matter what the reason, it demonstrates that she just doesn’t have what it takes to be a good president.

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By JimmiBoi, May 26, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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Hillary hired the wrong people and left them in place too long. She spent more than she collected every month. She tried to fire a journalist for commenting on Chelsea. She will say anything to win and blames conspiracies for her troubles. The best predictor of what people will do, is what they have done.

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By heavyrunner, May 26, 2008 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Using the word assassination in general proves Hillary is tone deaf.

Referring to the assassination of one of Ted Kennedy’s brothers the same week Senator Kennedy has been diagnosed with terminal cancer makes one wonder if she is not a couple bricks shy of a full load.

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By jatihoon, May 26, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

She was only paying homage to R.F.K memory and not trying to assassinate Obama’s character.

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By SUZY Q, May 26, 2008 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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Hillary did better blaming it on the devil,which would have been true. to think something like that constitute the work of the devil.matthew 15:11 what come from the mouth comes from the heart,this defileth a man. since the question also included the threat of the party’s unity,talking about the famous democratic convention of 1968 to chose a nominee, which brought about riots and chaos which is what looks like she is trying to achieve. But to mention that would have shade a negative light on her.Especially since the democrats loss that year to Richard Nixon. But instead she chose to use the analogy of the assassination of a democratic opponent that year to prove her point,saying this really would make it final. No matter how you slice it is stll was a very SICK THING TO SAY HILLARY

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By Greg Jones, May 26, 2008 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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Black Americans, and many of all races are EXTREMELY disturbed by Hillary’s insinuation of a possible assassination of Barack Obama. To imply that her reason for staying in the race is because anything can happen, then nonchalantly say that even Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, meaning therefore she should stay in, is not only pitifully diobolical but incredibly dangerous.

As I read some of the comments, I sense that some do not understand the true impact of her deadly insinuation. Keep in mind, when it was first announced that Obama was running for President, the initial concern in Black America was his safety. “Would some nut sniper him”? Obama had to hire secret service security right out of the gate…..why? Because of the true possibilty of some nut doing harm to him or his family.

Also, during the last 50 years, the people who have been assassinated have ALL been leaders who were working toward equality for ALL. John F., Robert and of course Dr. King. So just the WORD assassination brings to us not only an extreme fear but is a reminder of the incredibly sad loss to America, particularly Blacks, at the hands of the sick and wicked. For Hillary Clinton, a so-called leader, to insinuate, for WHATEVER reason assassination….is beyond disgusting. It subliminally sparks the hatred, bigotry and destruction that most Americans have worked so hard to overcome.

Greg Jones
http://www.Blacks4Barack.org
A Multi-Racial Org…Dedicated To Truth !

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By dick, May 26, 2008 at 8:05 am Link to this comment
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Hillary fans! Thanks for keeping this thing going. Please keep talking it up as much as possible. Use the old appology ploy to repeat the story. We do believe it is having the desired effect. Probably the best innuendo she has yet come up with. Thanks again, Staff.

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By americanabroad, May 26, 2008 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

Billiary Clinton have weakened the democratic party. They are divisive, negative people, with a very grey area in truth and integrity. It is time for the super delegates to put a stop to this or the Republicans will win this election. Sometimes I think Hilliary has stayed in this election just to weaken Obama’s position and then turn around and say, ‘You should have voted for me.’  That would be a typical move, just like,’ Let’s move the goal posts and count all of Michigan and Florida, even if Obama wasn’t on the ballot and we agreed to not campaign there and count them in.  I am down now so I want them counted.” duh-3rd grade bargaining.

I am deeply upset with the super delegates who are sitting on the fence. Officially I am an independent who only got involved in this because I feel so strongly about Obama and change. What an eye opener politicians are!!!!!  Commmit now and stop this devastation.

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By AJ, May 26, 2008 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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Now she wants to blame senator Obama for making this a big deal. Well, even if the Obama campaign helped spread this story, good for them. Remember when she took the words of Obama about bitter people totally out of context, even though there was plenty of video and audio evidence available about what he meant and ran it as a campaign theme? You know what they say about payback. LOL

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By Jim Yell, May 26, 2008 at 6:49 am Link to this comment
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This from the Clinton side is like the “pot calling the kettle black”. This strategy, if it is that, would be no different than what Hillary keeps doing.

Fact is there is every reason not to support Hillary. She has sold herself to corporate America, her health plan will enrich the health and pharmacy industry which now funds her and we will still have a mess of a health care system.

I was ready to vote for Hillary when I thought she was a progressive, but her every word shows any claim to being progressive that she ever had, has been betrayed by her own words and deeds.

Grow up.

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By Nicole W, May 26, 2008 at 6:41 am Link to this comment
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Hillary Clinton’s remarks were offensive to say the least, then her lack of an apology to Senator Obama and his family, were equally offensive, now she has her staff saying she didn’t say anything wrong, and are blaming Obama, again offensive and downright horrible. She just should of immediately apologized to Obama for the remark, a simple I am sorry would have at least showed her personal decency. However, she chose the other way. This week she was also blaming the press of sexism. I find this offensive again. It appears that her personal integrity dictates that when she is wrong and losing to blame other people and not take responsibility for herself. She has used race, gender, and has been disingenuous throughout her whole campaign. I especially took offensive how she was disingenuous with uneducated white woman, and her husband was equally disingenuous. As a woman myself, I am appalled at her behavior, great woman who want to lead act on principle and integrity and their strong convictions to issues. They take responsibility for their actions because Great Women have personal integrity. Sorry to say Hillary does not have these qualities. Her family and friends need to tell her it’s over, the longer she goes on the longer the public is viewing these very bad qualities and her future in politics is diminishing, if anyone would want her after this. Her hopes of now even a VP slot is over. How could any President have a VP that he wouldn’t be able to trust what she was going to say? Additionally, she does not fit in with Obama’s message, that is clear. The delegates have to shut this campaign down now.

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By SB, May 26, 2008 at 6:15 am Link to this comment
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I have lost all respect for Hillary Clinton.  To actually bring up RFK assassination in the same breath you say why you are staying in the race is disgusting.  And then the fact you blaming the Obama camp is sick.

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By TheRealFish, May 26, 2008 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

To Emmy,

“I am a mirror. When you look at me, all you see is yourself…”

Yeah. Right.

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By Mike F, May 26, 2008 at 5:13 am Link to this comment
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Bravo for putting it so succinctly.

Everyone all over the world has the right to comment on this matter since the current US President has involved the whole world in a horrendous catastrophe which will probably take 10 years to calm down. Since the US president wields such power, it is the world’s business when someone as deceitful, power mad and nearly deranged like Hillary Clinton is running for president.

Speak up everyone. Her mind is a convoluted mess that twists everything into nearly hysterical paranoic comments about anti-feminists and media conspiracies which bring back unpleasant memories of her “vast right-wing conspiracy” theories of the 1990s.

This woman needs to be put out of public life NOW. I am going to invest energy and money into trying to get her defeated in NY in the next election.

Make the world a safer, saner place. Vote and support OBAMA.

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By The Buzz, May 26, 2008 at 4:20 am Link to this comment
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I’m Australian. I’ve never been interested in a US political race. Not because it doesn’t matter, but because each race is just, well, more of the same. But not this one. Why? Well, contextually, the US is at a defining moment in history, for a great many reasons, both domestically and internationally. And it will have direct consequences for the whole world (not something to boast about, but a responsibility to be truly, humbly nervous about)

However, it was how Hillary Clinton made such a clever, manipulative and psychologically dangerous comment that links Obama and the JFK aberration that defines the Presidential race. If Clinton wins, I fear where your prospective female President will lead our Earth. She is unstable, unethical, cold, self-absorbed, hungry for power for power’s sake, and above all, she has an emotionally manipulative side that defies human decency and understanding.

Obama has dignity and smarts. He has enough policy bluff to suggest that he has all the answers. But give him a couple of years, and he will prove to be an inspiring and inclusive leader. McCain….well, all I can say is that another four years of Bush policies will erode any respect the world has for US foreign policy.

We in Australia, like the world, hope you don’t take a sucker punch from Clinton. If we had a choice between inexperience and political desperation, we’d take a future….

Good luck, and God Bless America.

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By Emmy, May 26, 2008 at 3:53 am Link to this comment
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But, you see, those of us who resent being swift-boated by Obama-ites and manipulated by the press will simply walk away.  I know a scam when I see one.  I realize that most Americans do not.  Good luck on that vote in November, however.  Many of us are sick and tired of the hate-talk politics, and Obama followers seem to delight in it.  It’s impossible to tell the difference between an Ann Coulter supporter and an Obama supporter.  The hateful talk is the same.  The manipulation of the facts is the same.  And the targets, the Clintons, are the same.  Maybe it’s because the young Obama supporters grew up hearing right-wing hate-radio and think that’s the way politics should work.  Whatever, I won’t vote for another 4 years of that atmosphere, which appears to be what Obama is surrounding himself with.

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By KOxford, May 26, 2008 at 2:25 am Link to this comment
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Jon
Sadly you are very ill-informed.  If you performed even a cursory check you would find out that Rev Wright’s 9/11 comments were in fact a direct quote from the White former US ambassador to Iraq, who was giving the interview on FOX News. 

Seems to me you are easily fooled.

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By anambrose, May 25, 2008 at 11:42 pm Link to this comment
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I’m a combat veteran, I voted for Hilary in her Senatorial elections and in the NY primary. Over the course of this campaign between Mark Penn ,Bill, and now Terry McAuliff the idea that she is only as good as the people she picks to represent her as a test or template of how she would run the WH has been born out. How Terry conflates what she said into a rap on Obama after her remarks if said by let say an Ann Coulter would have been a call for every right wing gun nut to start bringing Obama posters to the gun range is just one more indication of how out of touch her stand ins are and by inference she is. I guess it was too much for her to see the brief free ride the press gave Obama while hammering her. So she along with the press decided to do the Republican’s job by giving him a hard time while fawning over McCain. Funny thing is the more they try it the more it comes back on them as Obama seems to weather these non incidents rather well. So it is more than Hilary losing my support. It is Obama winning it through cool calm collected integrity. I now do not know if she would be great on the ticket as a VP. I do think she can be a positive force in the Senate and help to reestablish the Congress as a coequal branch of our government in providing strong oversight and a check on unbridled executive power. Maybe.

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By cyrena, May 25, 2008 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

laurence…That was me needing permission to kick her ass. Louise wouldn’t do that, and I was just talking trash myself, since there’s no way they’d ever let me close enough.

Actually, she WAS close enough, right before Super Tuesday. I could have done it then, but that was before she really started to clown and show her bare behind. So, I wasn’t disgusted enough then, and it definitely wasn’t worth me missing my other far more important business, just to look at her in the flesh, and listen to more BS.

STILL, thanks for the permission. Maybe start a defense fund for me or something, just in case she does something else to top this. (she might)

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By cyrena, May 25, 2008 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

Louise, I agree about him making points doing exactly what he does..believe me, I do. Matter of fact, in my old life, (when I had those types of people to ‘deal with’) I actually did the same thing. (not really much of a choice if I wanted to stay employed).

But of course we learn how to allow ‘those types’ to kick their own selves in the ass. He’s done that really well, and with a smile.

But, I’m still glad I don’t have to do that anymore. Better him than me. smile

Just between me and you, I read that he DID give her the 3-finger salute one time, when nobody was looking. Now that COULD just be a rumor ya know. wink
Still, something makes me think he might have. My ex used to do that, and they actually look a lot a like. (or at least 20 years ago the ex looked like Obama does now). That’s where the similarity ends though.

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By TheRealFish, May 25, 2008 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

Gee, that’s on point here. Keep flogging that one.

“look at my right hand over here” while your left hand picks our pocket… .

Go blog other Republicans.

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By TheRealFish, May 25, 2008 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

Okay, here is my statement, made with the same type of “context” from which Clinton’s remarks are being lifted:

Commercial aviation flies all year round. I flew to Washington DC in September of 2004. Two jets flew into the Twin Towers in New York in September in 2001.

Same exact type of context. Just like the IQ test that asks “which does not fit the pattern” or “which DOES fit the pattern,” exactly what would you infer I wanted your attention focused in my in-context statement?

In-frakking-sane. I won’t say they fool no one, just that they do not fool the ones who are not in denial.

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By americahappens1, May 25, 2008 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

To the best of us…

Check out this link….. http://www.americahappens.com

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By Rhonda Davis, May 25, 2008 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment
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As a woman, I have been thinking for some months that the way Hillary is running her campaign is shameful.
She earned this blasting!
There really has to be something psychologically wrong with someone who suffers from false memory syndrome as she did when talking about sniper fire and Bosnia. A “daffy tale” it may be called, but it was staggering to listen to it and then see what actually happened. What sort of person does something like that?

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By Rhonda Davis, May 25, 2008 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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Hillary really did it

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By Rhonda Davis, May 25, 2008 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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For the good of our party, Mrs. Clinton should step out if Mr. Obama has the delegate count by June 3, 2008 (including the supers) to secure the nomination. If she stays in after he has secured 2026 delegates, then she will make herself look really bad!!

I had such admiration for my girl, Hillary, prior to this primary season. I was her number one cheerleader, but now, like many others, I have crossed over to change!!

I pray she will save her face for the sake of all women because what she has done with her emotional outburst is justify why women are not seen as good leaders…we are too emotional…sore loosers!! Where is that strength she claims to have?? She appears to be the weak candidate in my opinion.

And, another thing, how can you run a national budget if you can’t manage your own campaigns budget??? She is in debt. Yet, Obama has money to give (her)!

Hello—who is really more electable?? It’s time for democrats to come together. He is winning fair and square according to the rules that were established at the start of this democratic presidential campaign…bottom line!!

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By laurence, May 25, 2008 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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go ahead louise, you’ve got my permission to kick her a** up one side and the other. and just in case, God forbide, there needs to around the clock surveilence on hillary and bill. you know… just in case.

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By magouche, May 25, 2008 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

which is becoming less and less something to put on your resume.

If HRC had not said anything,  there would be nothing to “fan” now, would there be?

I used to really like and admire the Clintons.  But like a continuous drop of water on a stone, those feelings have eroded because of their bizarre behaviour the last year or so.

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By Jon, May 25, 2008 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment
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prompting other UCC churchgoers to point out that they were sat next to Obama during some of the Pastor’s more egregious sermons.

Common sense says he’s in trouble. It simply beggars belief that Obama who considers himself to be a “devout Christian” didn’t join the millions of other lapsed Christian Americans who thronged to churches in the immediate aftermath of 911. Yet Obama now asks America to believe that he didn’t know about his pastor’s allegations that America was to blame for 911. The young senator would be well-advised to remember the words of his fellow politician, Abe Lincoln also from the great State of Illinois, who became President in 1860:“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

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By Louise, May 25, 2008 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

“And of course Obama just always blows it off. No harm intended, seeing as how she’s tired and all, and he understands that perfectly.”

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But makes points in doing so wink ... of course she’s tired. Like the lady on BBC said last night, the candidate who wants to be ready at 3:00 AM when the phone rings ... is exhausted.

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“And that’s why he’ll make a really good president, and I wouldn’t. Because, I’d be ready to kick her ass!”

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Hee-hee! Thanks for the chuckle!

I confess I’m not much of an ass-kicker. But in a most elegant and subtle way, Obama is. Standing gracefully aside, he lets the other candidate deliver an excellent blow in the center of said candidates very own buttocks.

And I agree, that skill alone will make him a GREAT president!

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By cyrena, May 25, 2008 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

Maybe…on the ‘meant no harm’ thing. Only problem is, (at least for me) Obama has needed to say that a few other times, “I’ll take Senator Clinton at her word, that she meant now harm.”

She obviously ‘meant no harm’ when she accused him of being affiliated with Louis Farrakhan, even though we ALL heard THAT, and long after Obama had made it clear that their only ‘affliation’ was that they both lived in Chicago.

And, I’m sure she ‘meant no harm’ when HER CAMPAIGN converted Jeremiah Wright from a Pastor of a Church in Chicago into the Anti-Christ himself, and demonized Obama by association. No harm intended there, even if we DID have to hear all of that for at least 6 weeks.

No harm intended at all when she suggested that McCain would make a better president, AGAIN…on national TV.

And surely she intended ‘no harm’ when she hesitated about whether or not she thought Obama was a Muslim, even though he’s never practiced Islam in his life, because his mother was an atheist, and his Dad was close enough to the same, even though he wasn’t even around long enough to share in the doctrine of Islam, even if he HAD practiced it!

So, if HRC had anything to do with the photo of Obama in traditional garb, taken on a visit to Kenya, there was no harm intended there either.

And of course Obama just always blows it off. No harm intended, seeing as how she’s tired and all, and he understands that perfectly.

And that’s why he’ll make a really good president, and I wouldn’t. Because, I’d be ready to kick her ass!

Like the the trial and the perp that you covered Louise, Hillary just says, “Look what you made me do?” It’s YOUR fault I’m trying to destroy you!

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By TRINA, May 25, 2008 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment
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I BELIEVE THIS IDIOT CALL MACAULIFFE NEED A BRAIN CHECK,I CAN NOT IMAGINE HIM AND THE CLINTONS SAYING THE OBAMA CAMP IS INFLAMING THE STORY-THIS IS WHAT THEY HAAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME NOW.THIS GUY AND HIS MEGALOMANIACS DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE IN A CIVILISE ENVIRON,THEY SHOULD MOVE TO ANOTHER WORLD WITH THE LIKES OF HITLER,MUGABE AND SOME POWER HUNGRY PEOPLE—NOW WE KNOW,BUT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERYTHING

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By Sang Ze, May 25, 2008 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment
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Running on nothing.

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By Louise, May 25, 2008 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

Gosh this reminds me of the time I covered a trial and the perp, following his conviction confessed.

Confessed that it really wasn’t his fault!

He did it ... but it really wasn’t his fault.
OK, um-huh, whatever.

Any other good stories out there MacAuliffe?

By the way, like Obama, I’ll accept that Clinton meant no harm. Lot’sa candidates open mouth, insert foot and mean no harm. Goes with the territory I guess. wink

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