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Democrats Condemn Bush’s ‘Appeaser’ Comment

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While addressing the Israeli Knesset, President Bush referred to the willingness of “some” to speak with unsavory leaders such as Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and he went on to compare them to those who sought to appease the Nazis before World War II. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton set aside their differences on diplomacy long enough to take objection to that statement.

Obama, who has favored unconditional talks with Iran, called Bush’s remark “a disgraceful political attack.” Even Sen. Clinton, who has disagreed with Obama on the issue of unconditional talks with adversary nations, said Bush’s comment was “offensive and outrageous, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy.”


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As the workday began stateside, Bush gave a speech to Israel’s Knesset in which he spoke of the president of Iran, who has called for the destruction of the U.S. ally. Then, the president said: “Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.”

“We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is—the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history,” Bush added.

With the president abroad and those seeking to succeed him campaigning at home, the transcontinental tiff signaled the early direction of the general election. Bush seemed to assume the traditional lame-duck presidential role in trying to help the Republican nominee-in-waiting, and Obama tried to maneuver for advantage—and to show strength—while on the cusp of clinching the Democratic nomination.

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By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

I wonder if the Israelis have a “back door” into diebold.

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By cyrena, May 18, 2008 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

Omop,

Thanks so much for these suggestions!

I had considered Sweden before, and I’m still studying it. The only concern I had was that I’d ‘heard’ that one needed a pretty hefty some of money to move to Sweden. I should clearly check it out more thoroughly.

I’ve visited Ireland a time or two, though it’s been many years now. It’s a beautiful place, but people of color (I am) stand out like sore thumbs. (and we don’t appear to be particularly ‘welcome’ there, outside of our tourist dollars).

All of the other suggestions are within consideration though, and there is a Native American reservation in my own community that would probably suit my needs as well. But, I have to tell you that sadly, more and more people are being ditched from the roles of the Native tribes here. It’s been a really troubling thing, and an issue close to my heart, even though I’ve never resided within any of the Native American communities that are affiliated with a side of my own ancestry.

Sardinia sounds doable as well. And yes, I will drop a line once I’ve decided. Timing is everything of course, and that includes the timing of everything in the world, and how it all comes together at any given point in…TIME.

Such is life, eh?


I wouldn’t rule out Sardinia though either.

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By omop, May 18, 2008 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

Cyrena.

One or two places come to mind, not that I am an expert on topical or tropical places.. And of course it all depends on how close to the homeland one wants to be.

Ireland/for language and ease of adaptation.

Sweden or Norway if single.

Or one can stay put and move into a native-american reservation and use Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” for comfort and guidance.

If one is into “la dolce vita” lifestyles Sardinia sounds exciting.

Am heartened by you learning of a fellow souk and extend you best wishes in your quest. If you do decide drop a line.

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By cyrena, May 18, 2008 at 1:04 am Link to this comment

Humm…you’re getting close there PatrickHenry, with the naked pictures with farm animals. They probably have even worse.

But then, the ‘even worse’ would implicate them in the same. So..just partners in the worst crimes of world history is probably more like it.

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By cyrena, May 18, 2008 at 1:02 am Link to this comment

Yep, he probably IS right. We’ve known THAT for how long now?

It’s utterly sickening.

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By ApprxAm, May 17, 2008 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

If I were an optimist, I’d say that this man was wonderfully stupid.

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By troublesum, May 17, 2008 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

He had to go to Isreal to “campaign” because republican members of congress have made it clear they don’t want him to come to their districts.

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By PatrickHenry, May 17, 2008 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Its deeper than that.

http://navywxman.journalspace.com/?cmd=forward&entryid=1387

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By cyrena, May 17, 2008 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

Actually CY, it might NOT be such a dangerous area for Democrats to tread, considering that it long past time to put all this secret shit on the table, and out in the open.

Some of us, (and probably more than just me) actually MEAN it when we say or think that part about no more ‘politics as usual’, at least to the extent that things can be turned around.

All of these old political associations and dynasties need to be acknowledged for exactly what they were and continue to be…political dynasties that have become more and more corrupted over time.

So, is there a whole bunch of dirt still hanging about in all of those skeletons in all of those closets, be they Democrat or Republican closests?

Yeah, I bet there is. So, lets just expose ALL of the shit, so we can get on with the 21st Century for Christs sake!!

How about some TRUTH, and how about we don’t keep all of this stuff covered up, to keep being controlled by all of these ciminal connections, and the backroom deals of old.

Seriously…I think we need to let is ALL hang out, because that’s what the hell is wrong anyway. The Democrats of 50 or 60 years ago are NOT the Democrats of today. There is not a single thing wrong with PROGRESS, and the political party system in this country is going through a serious ‘crabs in the barrel syndrome’. Some people are trying to move forward, (because it’s the most logical, reasonable, and pragmatic approach to existence) and damn if there aren’t a whole lot of oldsters doing their level best to keep it from happening.

Now I understand PERFECTLY why the so-called ‘conservatives’ want to keep anything from changing, because they stand to lose a whole bunch of this decades old power they’ve been amassing, not to mention the trillions of dollars they’ve managed to swipe over the decades, (or centuries).

But hey…it’s time to join the 21st Century. I used to have a manager that I truly despised, (and I was not alone, though I can’t say that I honestly despise many people…very few actually) but there was one truthful thing that this guy once said, even though it was very hypocritical and opportunistic coming from him…

He said that the ONLY thing that was actually ‘constant’ was change. So CHANGE is gonna happen, whether we want it to or not. Now once we accept that, THEN maybe we can have some hands-on input into the direction that change takes. One way or the other, it IS gonna happen. I’d rather help decide the direction of it, than to sit back and let somebody else decide it for us.

So yeah, let the Democrats admit to all of this stuff, and then lets get ON with it.

On a slightly different note, I’ve just read that Ted Kennedy has been medivaced to the hospital, with possible indications of a stroke, and that makes me sad. I’ve always liked him, despite the human flaws.

I still do. I think he’s been a very positive force in the Democratic Party.

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By PatrickHenry, May 17, 2008 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

This guy will just not shut up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/bush-hails-israelis-as-lsquochosen-peoplersquo-but-ignores-palestinians-on-lsquocatastrophersquo-day-829319.html

The Israelis must have naked pictures with farm animals or something.

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By Margaret Currey, May 17, 2008 at 7:42 am Link to this comment
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This president is such an embarassment to this country, in fact what words can be used!.

The word to be used is Impeachment, or better yet have him step dowm immediately.

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By conservative Yankee, May 17, 2008 at 6:52 am Link to this comment
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Prescott Bush was joined at the Hip with his co-conspirator W. Averell Harriman Secretary of Commerce under President Harry S. Truman,  Governor of New York and with several positions in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. He was a candidate for the Democratic Presidential Nomination in 1952, and again in 1956 when he was endorsed by President Truman.

He was Husband of Pamela Harriman (formerly married to Winston Churchill’s son Randolph) long time fund-raiser for the Democratic party.

He and Bush were board members at Union Bank. Union Bank approved loans to Germany before and during WW II.

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By cyrena, May 17, 2008 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

Excellent points. The hilarity of such hypocrisy seems to be lost on many, and that would include the millions of victims. For them, it’s not so hilarious, and for those of us who’ve actually pondered it, it’s enough to drive one insane.

We’ll just bomb everybody into democracy, American-Israeli style.

Which leads me to my very serious question…Does ANYBODY know of ANY place on the globe that has so far been unnoticed by the democracy bombers, where one might escape?

I need some options here, and I need ‘em fast. I’m flexible. It would be helful if it was some place with some basic communications services. That’s all that matters.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment

This is a good one Louise. A very nice case of the giggles. (It’s always good to have a reason for these giggle attacks, since they otherwise convince those around me that I’ve simply lost it…which might not be all that far from the truth, at least on occassion):)

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By Louise, May 16, 2008 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

http://mediabloodhound.typepad.com/weblog/2008/05/gop-slogan-the.html

[If you haven’t allready, you’ve just gotta read this one! Hee-hee smile ]

“One day after President Bush likened presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama to those who appeased Adolph Hitler, the ghost of the president’s grandfather, Prescott Bush - in an SS uniform, muttering German and gesticulating angrily - has been hovering high above the White House since dawn.”

“An anonymous Bush administration staffer said the White House initially believed MoveOn.org, which many administration officials have compared to Hamas, had orchestrated the specter of Bush’s grandfather. (Prescott Bush, a true American hero, helped fund Hitler’s war machine and, as the BBC revealed last year, co-conspired to overthrow President Roosevelt to create a Nazi-style government in America.) But MoveOn.org spokesman Adam Green denied his organization’s involvement, saying, “Dude, if we could do that, we would’ve done it a long, long time ago. We would’ve saved a lot of money.”

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“During an impromptu White House press conference, press secretary Dana Perino told reporters, “First, let me start by saying that though some candidates think the afterworld revolves around them, the appearance of Prescott’s ghost over the White House has nothing to do with President Bush’s speech in the Knesset yesterday.”

“Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas replied, “Sure. Pay no attention to the man behind the cloud.”

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By purplewolf, May 16, 2008 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Gee, didn’t Georgie know that his granddaddy, PRESTON, funded HILTERS NAZI fiasco? It would come as no surprise if he didn’t. About all he learned in college was to be a cheerleader. Maybe PRESTON had a chance to talk to the great dictator while passing out American money to support that madness. The rotten fruit doesn’t fall far from the BUSH does it?

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By purplewolf, May 16, 2008 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, but it is too a relationship. A parasitic one that is hazardous to the host(USA).

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By PatrickHenry, May 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

It will be bloody when they close in on them, Secret Service and all.  I think this was the reason Bush supplanted his lacky AG’s thoughout the states during his administration.

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By Leefeller, May 16, 2008 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

Appeasing, can be a negative word meaning to pacifiy someone to meet their special demands, well Bush has appeased the wealthy, and special interests, at the expense of the people, the environment and our future.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

I haven’t heard any comments from Obama for amnesty rather than justice, so I’d call your comment here lying propaganda.

In reality, I’ve heard Obama suggest that he would consider real justice in the form of bringing these criminals up on charges. Even if we can’t manage it here, (like they escape before we can put it in the works) there’s always the ICC and the Hague.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Louise…

I found this on truthout as well, with the transcript.

I swear I love this guy Olbermann! smile

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051508A.shtml

Patrick Henry…

I’m counting on the criminal charges for the whole regime. Or, as many of them as can be captured. And, their escape places are becoming fewer and further apart. Rumsfeld already has a bunch of international warrants out on his ass, and if there’s anyway it can be managed, we really need to get the rest of them as well.

It’s important for the well being of the global society as well as our own.

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By Louise, May 16, 2008 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

“This Advice Mr Bush: Shut The Hell Up”

Includes Transcript:

“President Bush has resorted anew to the sleaziest fear-mongering and mass manipulation of an administration and public life dedicated to realizing the lowest of our expectations. And he has now applied these poisons to the 2008 presidential election, on behalf of the party at whose center he and John McCain lurk.:

“Mr. Bush has predicted that the election of a Democratic president could “eventually lead to another attack on the United States.” This ludicrous, infuriating, holier-than-thou and most importantly bone-headedly wrong statement came during a May 13 interview with Politico.com ...”

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“Terrorism inside Iraq is your creation, Mr. Bush!”

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“The war in Iraq, your war, Mr. Bush, is about how you accomplished the derangement of two nations, and how you helped funnel billions of taxpayer dollars to lascivious and perennially thirsty corporations like Halliburton and Blackwater, and how you sent 4,000 Americans to their deaths for nothing.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19936.htm

A simply must watch/read Olbermann gem!

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By PatrickHenry, May 16, 2008 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

It appears that Bush’s world class pander backfired and will galvanize support against him here in the U.S. and less support for Israel.

Crimminal charges may still be in his future.

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By PatrickHenry, May 16, 2008 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

He’s running for the president of Israel.

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By Louise, May 16, 2008 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Great comments! smile

Am I the only one whacky enough to watch the yad-a-ya-da-bla-bla-pthst rebroadcast on c-span?

Probably, and I have to admit, I didn’t watch it all. Actually I watched very little. It was so boring!

But it was interesting to note, when Bush was praised for some reason or other, as the camera scanned the audience, one after another, those in attendance looked on the Bush. Now here’s where it gets interesting. Scorn. Mockery. Disdain. And a general restraint from giving the raspberry appeared to be painted on face after face. Well except for Laura who looked on in abject, adoring blankness.

And Bush ... poor Bush ... he seemed to be suffering from a bad case of gas. And I’m sure he required first aid following the ordeal, he chewed so feverishly on his lips and cheeks to keep himself awake. At one point in time his head rolled to the side and I do believe for one brief moment he did doze off. Only to abruptly pull his head back and acknowledge some word or other.

I felt a twinge of empathy, having been to very boring meetings with very boring speeches given by very boring speakers, following a splendid meal. Pure agony.

But I hasten to point out my empathy only extended to the future president, Barack Obama, and I marveled what this man is willing to put himself through for us! Then the thought crossed my mind, why would anyone want to be president? Then I answered my own question with the certain knowledge Bush wanted to be president because he wanted to be a king.

Done a damn poor job for sure. But then what else can we expect from someone who doesn’t understand being president is not the same thing as being king. Although history is full of foolish Kings who by accident of birth happened to find themselves on the thrown. Passing gas and sucking and chewing trying to stay awake.

And having said that, I have to ask, did any thinking person out there actually expect him to say something which would prove to be of value to us folks back here?

I didn’t think so.

And I echo the sentiment that Obama and Hillary firing back at his insensitivity was great! Maybe the little faux king has not yet completely destroyed our nation. Although that’s certainly not for lack of trying.

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By dihey, May 16, 2008 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Chamberlain’s policy vis a vis Hitler Germany was totally consistent with the will of the overwhelming majority of the English people at the time of “Munich”. True, acting in concert with the will of the population may sometimes be against the fundamental interest of the country. Unfortunately whether that had been or had not been the case is always hindsight. In the case of Chamberlain, the accusation that he was an appeaser is hindsight too.
No commentator has yet pointed out that the very labile political situation of Europe which Chamberlain found when he became prime minister was largely due to the disastrous political and diplomatic blunders of President Wilson and the Frenchman Clemenceau.
No commentator has pointed out yet that Chamberlain was a member of a group of politicians who championed India’s independence during the late 1920’s. Guess who torpedoed their efforts? You got it, that was your ubiquitous Winston Churchill, the most befuddled and possibly worst politician of England before 1933.
It has often been incorrectly stated that Hitler-Germany prepared for war while peace loving England, France, Belgium, and Holland did not. Wrong. These countries prepared for military intervention but not in Europe. They prepared to smash forever the threatening popular uprisings in their colonies. They prepared for war with Japan. England alone spent more money on the defense of Singapore than Hitler did until 1939 on the rearming of Germany.

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By troublesum, May 16, 2008 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

Until Bush gave his speech in Isreal the big story in the news was that this election was shaping up as the worst for republicans since Watergate.  Republicans in congress don’t want him showing up in their districts before the election.  He wanted to push that story off the front pages and he succeeded.

Obama’s response is rediculous.  There isn’t any way that 350 million people are all going to share the same political views and why should they?  Politics is divisive.

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By G.Anderson, May 16, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

It’s hard to know with you, which comes first, it’s a little like the chicken and the egg.

Are you incompetant because your ignorant, or are you ignorant because your incompetant?

That being said, history is likely to label you as America’s biggest looser.

It only took 7 years for you to wreck the country due to your incompetance, and ignorance.

You spent Billions on a war that you lost because you ignored competent generals, replacing them with those that would bow to you.

You’ve wrecked the economy, foreclosures, and bankrupcies are through the roof. Destroyed the dollar, gas is on it’s way to $5, food prices have risen 20% in 1 year.

The Republican led Congess had the least number of days in session of any congress in US history. There has been political scandal after political Scandal, from Enron to Abramoff.

You also Gutted federal agencies that were supposed to protect Americans, polticizing them, from Dept. of Justice to the FDA.

You created more debt in this country than all the previous presidents combined.

And to top it off your approaching Benedict Arnold terriotory in the polls.

I’m sure you can find a Republican some where that thinks Benedict Arnold is just fine, maybe someone with the perverted logic of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.

Of course you have to go to Israel to crow about your accomplishments, every where else you’d be shouted off the stage.

Unless of course it’s one of those little western roundups you act as game show host to, of manakins, who’ve been corraled to act as your audience.

Who have to sit and listen with blank expressions on their faces, to all your foolish rambelings.

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By tyler, May 16, 2008 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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funny that bush would say this seeing how his grandpa prescott was involved with funneling finances to the nazi party.  he even got caught.  funny how this NEVER comes up.

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By P. T., May 16, 2008 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Mere talking with adversaries is not appeasement.  Anyway, the U.S. is already talking to Iran.

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By Leefeller, May 16, 2008 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

Apathy or ignorance and a sponsored program via the Mass Media, is what carried the vote for the war, allowed them to take impeachment off the table, and appeased Bush for his inaneness, just hoping Bush will go away in 2008 is not much of a plan if you ask me. 

Both parties are equal parts of the destruction of the Constitution. We should look at who’s in office and make our decisions on their votes.

Why do we not just vote all the bums out.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

I respectfully disagree on this one. I’m passionately convinced that he should take Cheney with him.

(just a dream of course…neither will ever happen).

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By Thomas Mc, May 16, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment
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Honestly, I don’t see the problem. The Democrats been appeasing Nazi Bush for years! Obama’s promise of amnesty (“reconciliation”) rather than justice for all the administration’s many crimes just proves Bush’s point.

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By dicl, May 16, 2008 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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The power elite are pleased with Bush and Israel. The elite want war, and they are the rulers of the country. Meanwhile, the masses are controlled by the media, who are intensely loyal to Israel.

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By Expat, May 16, 2008 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

^ There is no depth too deep.  They will slip under the lowest of the low to meet the lowest common denominator.  How low will we go is the only question?  What do you think?

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By Purple Girl, May 16, 2008 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

These religious Zealots (extremeist) Bush, Mac & lieberman surround them selves with not only consider the Catholic Church Whores- they intend to Use the Jewish community as such. A mere Means to an End - literally.why did Hagee feel so free to use such rhetoric against Catholics, becasue they are not an intrical part of the ‘Armegeddon’Stratedgy.
HIS plan for ‘end of Days’ requires that the jews regain their lands, which provokes the Muslim nation, Which retailitates, which lead to US dropping bombs on iran ( Or we could just skip to the Chase and Just Per-emptively Strike this non Nuke Iran w/ nukes ) which will warrant a reaction from Russsia & China (their oil source) and the ‘Battle between Good an dEvil ’ will begin thus leding to the ‘Rapture’ of the Chosen Christians…Again CHOSEN CHRISTIANS!If anyone one else wants to join them in this ‘Rescue’ from the hell they have started they MUST CONVERT- and yes that means Jew Too! Hagee/parsley and their follower apparently are the ‘almighty’ it is their ‘Divine’ Design as to how the end of Times will occur, because THEY ahve Anioted theselves the Chosen generation.See according to them- gods a little lazy and not insightful enought to KNOW they are th eCHOEN Ones- so they need to give him a shove - assist him in HIS GREAT design and timeline.Apparently he is Not “mighty ’ enough to know this or do it for himself….Gee sounds to me more like a lesser then onmipotent entity should REQUIRE such guidance and Help from mere mortals…Such Arrogance reminds me of One th twas CAST OUT…Hmmmm “Could It be SATAN?“who needS them to be His ‘Warriors’ . Who encourages suchEvaluation &  Judgement upon all Creations.Certianly a ‘Maker’ would not allow his Creations to be treated as such, even by other creations, Nor would he need such Guidance to fulfill His ‘All Powerful and All Knowing’Design.
Hagee /Parsley et al are not only national security risks and Traitors to mankind, THEY ARE HERETICS! Mere Mortals who desire , demand they be followed and Placed High above all others- as Idols.Thus the Phrase to beware of fasle Messiahs and Idols.The devil (apocalypse to mankind ) comes draped in a flag and shaking a ‘Holy’ book as he damns all that Is.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, May 16, 2008 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Much as I’m sick of the campaign, I have to admit I’m curious to see to what depths the Repyouklians will go in their lying, mud slinging, distorting, spinning and muck raking to undo the damage their own George F. Bush, Dickie F. Cheney, Donald F. Rummy and Condasleezy F. Rice did to their party and their self-proclaimed image as the spokesparty of the Imhirrikin People.

Now, I can’t wait.

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By P. T., May 16, 2008 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

Reagan and Bush’s father supplied weapons to Iran.

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By weather, May 16, 2008 at 7:25 am Link to this comment
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Please free us from the bondage of Israel

It’s not a relationship at all, its pernicious extortion - very carefully packaged and all at our immense expense.

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By Trigger finger, May 16, 2008 at 7:25 am Link to this comment
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I hope Mr Bush uses this trip to the middle east to house hunt in Bagdad and hopefully he will find one.  I feel sorry for his new neighbors but maybe they will give him his due!

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By Leefeller, May 16, 2008 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

Nice selection of posts, on the same wave lengths and in stride, I still believe impeachment would be a nice feeling and a Mussolini ending for the cronies in the Whitehouse. 

Role reversal is so common, it must stick like flies on dung to bigots and imbeciles, like the ones interviewed in West Virginia.  Ignorance must be bliss!

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By Thomas Billis, May 16, 2008 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

Bush is claiming it was all a mix up.Somone told Bush that Obama was an appeaser and he gave the speech at the Israeli Knesset.It turns out the aide had told him because of the wiretap they keep on Obama all the time that he was ordering a pizza.Pres Bush told one reporter"oops my bad”.

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By omop, May 16, 2008 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but does not have an air force. In the case of Bush Jr. we may have the exception.

Goes to show what happens to the arrogant and stupid in the 21st. Century. The one and only super power proclaims that main threats to its existance:- are a million or so Palestenians in a compound [Gaza] tightly controlled by Israel; thousands in a still being built compound called Sadr City section of Baghdad and controlled by the pseudo surge Ceasar Peatreus and thousands roaming the mountains of Aghanistan and last but by no means least an organization named Hezballah in Lebanon and some AlQueda members in Somalia

The reasoning, 300 million American are incessantly told the justification for our bombings and military actions against those forces are our commitment to bringing democracy to the four corners of the globe. Any criticism of such acts are considered almost treasonous.

We and the only other democratic state [Israel] in the world are jointly committed to make every sob on this planet like us or die in the process.

If this wasn’t hilarious enough it would be a Caligula-like “wonderful life”.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

President Bush Committed Political Treason Today
  By Will Bunch
  The Philadelphia Daily News
  Thursday 15 May 2008

  “I’ve seen a lot of sad things in American politics in my lifetime - the resignation of a president who became a national disgrace after he oversaw a campaign of break-ins and cover-ups, another who circumvented the Constitution to trade arms for hostages, and yet is now hailed as national hero. And those paled to what we have seen in the last seven years - flagrant disregard for the Constitution, the launching of a “pre-emptive” war on false pretenses, and discussions about torture and other shocking abuses inside the White House inner sanctum.

  But now it’s come to this: A new low that I never imagined was even possible.

  President Bush went on foreign soil today, and committed what I consider an act of political treason: Comparing the candidate of the U.S. opposition party to appeasers of Nazi Germany - in the very nation that was carved out from the horrific calamity of the Holocaust. Bush’s bizarre and beyond-appropriate detour into American presidential politics took place in the middle of what should have been an occasion for joy: A speech to Israeli’s Knesset to honor that nation’s 60th birthday.

  But here’s what he said: (this is already in the article)

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  “As a believer in free speech, I think Bush has a right to say what he wants, but as a President of the United States who swore to uphold the Constitution, his freedom also carries an awesome and solemn responsibility, and what this president said today is a serious breach of that high moral standard.”

“But what Bush did in Israel this morning goes well beyond the accepted confines of American political debate, When the president speaks to a foreign parliament on behalf of our country, his message needs to be clear and unambiguous. Our democracy may look messy to outsiders, and we may have our disagreements with some sharp elbows thrown around, but at the end of the day we are not Republicans or Democrats or liberals or conservatives.”

  “We are Americans.”

  “ And you, Mr. Bush, are the leader of us all. To use a diplomatic setting on foreign soil to score a cheap political point at home is way beneath your office, way beneath your country, and way beneath the people you serve. You have been handed an office once uplifted to great heights by fellow countrymen from Washington to Lincoln to Roosevelt to Eisenhower, and have plunged it so deeply into the Karl-Rove-and-Rush-Limbaugh-fueled world of political destruction and survival of all costs that have lost all perspective - and all sense of decency. To travel to Israel and to associate a sitting American senator and your possible successor in the Oval Office with those who at one time gave comfort to an enemy of the United States is, in and of itself, an act of political treason.

  “In another irony, this comes from an administration that has already committed such grave abuses that its former officials are becoming fearful of traveling overseas, lest they be arrested for war crimes. Despite the alleged crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush administration, the Democrats who control the House have until now been restrained in their use of the impeachment process, hoping that the final eight months of our American nightmare can pass by quickly. Indeed, one has to wonder how much of Bush’s outrageous statement this morning arose from fear - fear that a President Obama will go after his wrongdoing in 2009. “

And this is a fear he should have, since Obama has already signaled such a possibiblilty.

The entire piece at the link.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051508R.shtml

PS..Obama is PISSED. He’s planning to address this later today.

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By Greg Bacon, May 16, 2008 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

Israel, if you want the sick and depraved GW to be your PM, you can have him.

Let’s see if he can do for Israel what he has done for America:

Run up a huge debt;

Take away your civil liberties;

Trash out what was left of American prestige;

Tell thousands of lies in support of a secret agenda;

Start immoral and illegal wars;

Give huge tax breaks to his corporate buddies;

Ignore the internal needs of the U.S. to support a 3rd rate piss-ass country;

Wreck your military;

Appoint incompetent and corrupt judges to the nation’s judiciary;

Hand out billions of dollars in shady, no-bid contracts to war profiteers;

Ignore the Constitution and trash the Bill of Rights;

Bring the country to the edge of financial ruin and while our nation was getting attacked, he sat reading a children’s story to some grade schoolers.

So, please, take him now. With GW as your PM, within a couple of years, Israel will be reeling and on the brink of extinction.

Yes, Israel, you can have the twisted and depraved George “Caligula” Bush and as a bonus, we’ll toss in the “Dick”, Cheney, for free.

Report: Jerusalem sources believe U.S. could hit Iran this year

By Barak Ravid and Shahar Ilan, Haaretz Correspondents and Haaretz Service

Sources in Jerusalem believe that the U.S. administration could carry out an operation against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s regime over the next year, Army Radio reported on Friday.

Officials in the Prime Minister’s Office said the possibility was discussed in closed talks between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and U.S. President George Bush, during the latter’s visit to Israel this week.

The officials said that Bush wants to deal with Iran on a root level, to weed out the negative influence aiding militant groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, the radio said.

Meanwhile, senior officials in Jerusalem said Thursday that Israel is fully satisfied with the results of Bush’s visit, including policy on Iran’s nuclear program…...

Hendel issued a statement calling on Olmert “to learn from the president of the United States what Zionism is.”

MK Aryeh Eldad (National Union) called out during Olmert’s speech, “in your dreams.”

He later proposed that Bush should replace Olmert.

Source: Haaretz

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 3:35 am Link to this comment

Expat,

Me too, on the thanks for the links. I was just about to do that, when I got side tracked by the piece from Chalmers Johnson, which ended up really making my day. It’s an excellent article, and the timing (for me at least) was almost like a mini lottery winning.

It lit the fire I needed to finish up some long over due work, which might even encourage me to tackle even MORE long over due work.

Meantime, I’ve added the main link for Asia Times to my reader, because I used to read it all of the time, and then, for whatever the reason, I didn’t anymore. (I guess I rely on these prompts..funny how we adjust to things without even realizing it).

So yes, thanks again for the reminder. There’s always good stuff there.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

Ya know JimBob, you are overwhelmingly correct on the only response to them needing to be swift and powerful. I’ve learned that the very hard way, maybe because I just never had the energy or the discipline to stay in that mode. (IMMEDIATE counter-attack)

Still, it’s the ONLY thing that will work, and Barack Obama DOES have the energy and the discipline. This is good.

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By reason, May 16, 2008 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

I agree with most everything the posters before me have written but a word of warning; the primary tools of the Bush Administration and its supporters are hate, distrust, fear and greed. (The very same tools used by the Nazis in Germany.) If we “the people” don’t take a stand against their lies we will be complicite in the resulting ruin.
Just because Bush can’t run for office again doesn’t mean he and his goons will retire. Unfortunately there are many more would be Bush and Cheney types. McCain is a dupe for Republican Party elites and “career politicians of both parties” who intend to maintain the strangle hold of fear we have experienced for far too long.

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By Expat, May 16, 2008 at 2:35 am Link to this comment

^ even know the definition of appeasement!  He shouldn’t be allowed to use any words with more than 4 letters unless he’s pluralizing.

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By Expat, May 16, 2008 at 12:44 am Link to this comment

^ you can see why I think so highly of A Times writers, they’re top notch.  Whatever the clowns are on is a dangerous substance.

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By cyrena, May 16, 2008 at 12:43 am Link to this comment

On this…

“..Further, the rewards are ample, how else to explain Laura Bush’s accomplished and disciplined oblivion?”..

Maybe Prozac and Jack Daniels?

I mean, I’d need a whole hell of a lot more than that to live in the same city with George W. Bush, let alone actually be married to the SOB!! Like.. I’d have to be on a mind altering IV 24/7

I can’t even begin to envision any rewards that would be worth that.

You have a good weekend yourself. I’ve decided long ago that all of my days pretty much run together. smile

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By Expat, May 15, 2008 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

This mental midget/cretin is the scariest human walking; not to mention dangerous.

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By cyrena, May 15, 2008 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

•  “Indicating what’s to come, McCain said: “Peace through strength is the way we achieve peace in the world. That’s the point. I will debate this issue with Senator Obama throughout this campaign.”

And mr mccain, THIS IS WHY YOU WILL LOSE. We know what your idea of ‘peace through strength’ means. In short, it means that you will kill off and/or otherwise disable any person or country that does not succumb to the will of the US. “Peace’ for you, means that the entire globe become a cemetery for anyone who would dare attempt to breathe a portion of the same air that you hold claim to. THAT is your ‘definition’ of peace. Yes, peace through strength means the peace that comes from your military might that is intended to silence any and all people who will not succumb to the will of the US. Peace through strength to you is the strength of your weapons, and how much of humanity you can silence with them.

Yeah, as a general rule, cemeteries are pretty ‘peaceful’. Damn if we’re letting you turn the world into one.

Meantime, I’ve said this before and I’ll just remind of it, as Fadel has already done. There HAVE been international opinion polls posted throughout the years since the Fascists hijacked our government. Long ago, George Bush was seen as the most dangerous threat to world peace, and a terrorist.


We are of course directing our hate at GW Bush, because he deserves it, but because he is the president. BUT, we need to keep in mind that like Hitler, this man was elected to this office. Even if he stole the election, we still allowed that to happen.

Even more importantly, we have to remember that GW Bush would NEVER have been able to manage these atrocities ON HIS OWN! He is a weakling coward, that has NEVER been able to accomplish anything on his own. He has FAILED at EVERYTHING that he’s ever attempted to do, even after it’s been handed to him on a silver plate. So, while we can, place blame on him because he is ‘the president’ the fact of the matter is that MOST of us have failed to pay attention to the danger of the shadow dictatorship that has in fact destroyed this democracy. And NOBODY paid the slightest attention to Dick Cheney, (well some of us did, but we might as well have been howling at the moon).

So, just a reminder…GW Bush didn’t do this destruction by himself. He’s too stupid, too weak, and too cowardly. This destruction has been perpetrated by an evil regime that had been ‘lying in wait’ for a long time, in order to accomplish this overthrow, with Cheney at the lead. Just remember that, because it’s what we need to make sure never happens again.

Also remember that John McCain is from that very same batch. We will NOT heal or cure ourselves until the cancer is erradicated, and that means ALL TRACES! It’s that simple. You can consult with the populations of so many other nations that have been similarly victimized, beginning with Germany, and right on down through the history of Authoritarian states that have been undone by fascism. Check with the people in Chile, or Argentina, or Uruguay, or any number of others who have been victimized in similar ways, under other totalitarian regimes.

We need to know that our experience under the current fascists is not so different, and that we will continue to suffer until we ALL acknowledge what has occured, and get to the business of fixing it. Too many of us still don’t even understand WHAT has happened, let alone the hows or whys.

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By Expat, May 15, 2008 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

^ media and considers themselves informed is an idiot.  I can not think of one printed newspaper here in America that reports anything acurately except maybe the day and date in their banner.  Here are two links to two articles written by real reporters who know what their talking about.  As Pepe Escobar states; the MSM gets the translations all wrong; and guess what we get to read; their garbage repeated by our very own moron in chief!  Enjoy.  I love the Asia Times.

US plot to nail Iran backfires
By Gareth Porter

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE16Ak02.html

The US-Iran sound bite showdown
By Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE16Ak01.html

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By troublesum, May 15, 2008 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment

He can’t help it.  His mother waterboarded him when he was a kid.

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By ApprxAm, May 15, 2008 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

Here, here.  Too much logic for them.  Two White House responses; one affirming, the other denial. Speaking of swiftboating.  McBush requested that one of his advisor resign after learning—?—the he was an organizer of a 527 hellbent on mudslinging.

Maybe I’m wrong, because I do that sometimes, but didn’t McCain ask the Obama and Clinton campaigns to check non-campaign related organizations from interfering this “election” season?

Trust: it’s a wondeful thing in politics.

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By JimBob, May 15, 2008 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment

Obama is not going to sit still and take shots from Bush or the Swift-Boaters, or anyone.  I heartily approve of his immediate response to Bush’s words, which had the Bush camp stammering, “That’s not what he meant.”  The only workable response to the Right Wing Noise Machine is immediate and powerful counter-attack.

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By ApprxAm, May 15, 2008 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

...good to see NYT’s, Thomas Friedman back to rejoin the “back-peddling” jackasses on the “I supported the war, but not the number of troops sent” chorus.

I’ve missed the laughter.

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By ApprxAm, May 15, 2008 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

Like peanut butter, plenty of blame to spread and much more pathology to defend.

Spending you day in front of a foreign nation’s national assembly to to impeach a rational approach to foreign policy and a heck of a lot better posture currently exhibited, George Bush can’t seem to read the tea leaves of reality continues to blame and defame others hellbent on not blowing it as he has done.

Speaking of blowing it:

Robert Kagan of the PNAC is on Charlie Rose lying through his f*ckin teeth about how the RepubliCons got into this invaision of Iraq. So far, 35 minutes of the show, he’s mentioned the Bill Clinton and his administration as the springboard toward “pre-emption” and not the lying Donald Rumsfeld, Pr*ck Cheney, Collin Powell, George Tenet, you know, on and freakin on.  Funny how they’ve found nothing in those same Clinton “historical” documents to prevent 9/11.

Jeremy Greenstock, Britain’s Ambassador to the U.N, said on Charlie Rose yesterday that Tony Blair, M3 and every foreign cabinet officer above yeoman in the UK and the United States knew that there weren’t WMD’s in Iraq to justify invaision. I almost blackout from the sickening crap Amb. Greenstock claimed, much like the queasy feeling when the Kagan’s, Robert, Frederick and daddy gives when they spew their Neo/Con B*llSh*t.

RepubliCons won’t take blame for what has been and continues to be, the failed foreign policys of weak cowards, who go AwOL, defer numerous times, yet shows no problem getting young Americans killed or maimed with little to no support from government to help and heal them, all-the-while using “Support the Troops” as merely campaign speak and political cover for Cheney and friends.

For nearly 37 minutes, Kagan spent twenty-five of them blaming Clinton or telling jokes or flashing that stupid “Bill Krikstol” “smirk-n-chuckle”, you know, the one he flashes on FOXNEWS every Sunday when he’s trying to convince us he wasn’t really wrong, just the Bush administration.

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By CaptRon, May 15, 2008 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

I couldn’t believe what I heard. The President of my country, the USA, calling people of this country “appeasers” of Hitler for exercising their rights as citizens to express their ideas. Yet, this man and his administration stands in my reasoning as the most unprosecuted group of treasonists using our cloak of freedom in order to exercise their agendas and ignorance. Maybe he is the reincarnation of Hitler, just to dumb to realize it.

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By P. T., May 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

The Nazis and fascists had the same enemies as U.S. conservatives:  the Left and organized labor.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 15, 2008 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

The Last Conference of the Axis of Terrorism!

Look who is talking tough against those he doesn’t like by calling them terrorists, when, in fact, he is the most notorious terrorist modern history has produced after Hitler. I bet you if a world poll will be taken about who is the worst terrorist of our times, then I am sure this chimpanzee Bush will be at the top of the list.

In fact, not a long time ago, an international poll was taken about the entities that constitute the greatest danger to world’s peace, and guess who was at the top of the list?! The U.S. and Israel. So, under Bush the U.S. achieved this notorious place among the terrorists of the world.

Bush’s visit to terrorist Israel on the so-called 60 anniversary of its foundation is a confirmation of the meeting of the world’s axis of evil, which also includes Britain, as represented by its prime minister.

As the most notorious terrorists makes a show of attacking other imaginary terrorists and peace seekers, the average naive citizen is left with further confusion about the meanings and perceptions of things that has the potential to make this world a more peaceful place for everyone. But alas, peace will only come to this world when the power of love overcomes the love of evil power, to paraphrase a statement by Jimi Hendrix!

In the last eight years, I reached points of total depression and desperation to the point that there were times when I thought life didn’t worth of being lived. And the cause of all that was Bush with all the evil he came to represent. But one of the few things that sustained my sanity is remembering the Arabic saying, “God’s Glory, God’s Glory, for every monkey there is a Houri.”

Come 1-20-09, when the end of a deadly error will be reached and the age of the monkey will pass to be a painful memory, from which we can hopefully learn a lot. It is then that one can hope for ushering an age of the beautiful Houris.

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By Thomas Billis, May 15, 2008 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

I guess when the moron was talking about Nazi appeasers he was referring to his grandfather Prescott Bush who was integral in the Nazi’s rise to power and had assets seized becaause of his strong links to the Nazi’s.
This moron should be muzzled.He steps onto the world stage and shows the world what a moron he is.Wouldn’t it be great if we had an opposition party that could save us world embarassment by removing the chimp from office.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, May 15, 2008 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Does Yale admit he was a student there?

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, May 15, 2008 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

The idiot didn’t even use the right word.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, May 15, 2008 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

Bush’s premise is entirely wrong.  You don’t talk to those who disagree with you to “persuade them they’ve been wrong all along.”  Will someone please take this guy out to the woodshed and kick his ass for him?  How ignorant can one get and how condascending?  Can you believe this idiot has “led the free world for 8 f*****g years!?”

I’ve come all this way through life only to hate my president.  Thanks, Bush!  What a jerk!

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