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Posted on May 7, 2008
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We’re not in Europe anymore: In a controversial move, newly elected Mayor Boris Johnson has banned alcohol on all London public transport.

In the first policy announcement of his mayoral term, London’s newly elected Boris Johnson has banned the consumption of alcohol on all public transport—including buses and trains—in the capital city beginning June 1. The ordinance is criticized by many transport unions, which foresee serious problems in its enforcement.

The Guardian:

Boris Johnson, the new London mayor, made his first policy announcement today - banning the consumption of alcohol on all public transport in the capital from June 1.

However, the move immediately drew criticism from transport unions claiming the policy could endanger transport staff.

From next month anyone found drinking or carrying open alcohol containers on any of London’s buses, tube trains, trams or the Docklands Light Railway is liable to be ejected. If the offender resists, the British Transport police can be called to help remove them.

But transport unions say they were not consulted on the ban or its enforcement and it is their members who will be put in the firing line.

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By Aegrus, May 7, 2008 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

What you are doing is focusing on the substance and not the problem. Isn’t helpful, DC.

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By Douglas Chalmers, May 7, 2008 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

You are are a fool, Aegrus. Anglos (and even Celtics) do have a serious problem with their attitudes towards alcohol and binge drinking.

It was no wonder that they had restrictive laws relating to public alcohol consumption in the past. Now they have to go back to that and even more.

Britons are the uncivilized rabble of Europe. Most Europeans have far less concern about alcohol available in public day or night because they don’t need to or want to behave like animals.

And its almost as bad in most other Anglo countries. If its not alcohol, its hard drugs AND alcohol. of course, these are also the main partners in the rapacious “coalition of the willing”.

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By Aegrus, May 7, 2008 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

Well, I think insurance should be regulated by the government because one nation, united should always look after its people.

Additionally, if economic opportunity were provided equally and fully to people, more would invest in education. However, a functioning society has all sorts of jobs, and I think people should be free to live a fair life if they choose to not go to school. Additionally, if the costs of good education and the competition involved to get into good schools was leveled to give opportunity to everyone, our government wouldn’t have to waste money on grants. Not even to mention the corporate influence on the universities in America to fuel research towards their own aim instead of having equal research and development inspired by curiosity and passion.

Also, the energy crisis is partially fueled by factors outside of the free-market. We have a protectionist and subsidized oil market that is partially having prices influenced by the same greedy speculators that caused the housing bubble.

I agree that people shouldn’t be given a bailout for making bad decisions during that bubble, but I also feel the government was out of line to help out the big guy and not the little one. It’s a two way street, and savvy business people should know better than to sign up people with no legitimate capital to invest.

Keep these other things in mind because I’m sure our opinions overlap to a degree. I’m not an adherent to an ideology other than pragmatism.

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By voice of truth, May 7, 2008 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

“How about seeing people actually take personal responsibility for their behavior and arrest people who are causing public disturbance.”

Couldn’t agree more!!!  I never thought I would read those words on this website.  Now, if only we can get the same logic to extend to:

People who get into bad mortgages because they are too ignorant to care to understand the details.

People who decide not to get an education, then complain that they do not have a good job.

People who have no understanding of economics, then complain that gasoline costs “too much”

People who do not want to pay for insurance, then complain when a hurricane removes their home from existence.

ETC.

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By Aegrus, May 7, 2008 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

If you can’t effectively enforce a law regarding substances, it becomes an arbitrary punishment on people and moral self-righteousness. How about seeing people actually take personal responsibility for their behavior and arrest people who are causing public disturbance.

Just because you live somewhere doesn’t provide any validity to an argument. This country is full of neo-conservative ideologues whose opinion I discount as ineffective and bigoted. Britain has a whole host of problems, and maybe if they bumped their education system to somewhere over America’s education system (as it is currently rated among the worst of the top 20 industrialized nations) people wouldn’t have such substance abuse problems.

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By voice of truth, May 7, 2008 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

the Tube is disgusting enough without drunks.

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By voice of truth, May 7, 2008 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

As someone who spent 5 years living in the UK, mostly around London, public drunkeness is a huge problem there.  There really is no reason to have open alchohol on any public transportation, and it can only lead to bad consequences.  My favorite tv show there is called Booze Britain, where they follow a group around all night while they get ridiculously trashed.  One can’t even count the amount of violence, fights, rapes, and people simply passed out in the street that regularly occur because of the inability for large sections of the population to handle their alcohol.

My favorite part of the story is that the unions are pissed they weren’t consulted first.  What a joke.  Should the burglars union be consulted when theivery was outlawed?

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By Aegrus, May 7, 2008 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

That’s a ridiculous proposal. I am continually irked by movements to punish people for being people. Especially when you cannot effectively enforce a law, it becomes a symbolic act of moral self-righteousness. If a law cannot be enforced, it ceases to be valid.

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