boggs: “You know what, you are like asking a DEAD man, UNARMED DEAD MAN to prove that he should not have been murdered by three gun toting cops..... Judge Cooperman should have just called for “Open Season on blacks.”

And, to paraphrase Robert Giacobbe, “You fucking legalists make Anne Coulter look positively centrist and balanced with the shit you come up with....”

By boggs, April 28: “Re:Cooperman, whats a life worth...?”

He just did, boggs, as long as you are in uniform, that is, uhh! And guess what, that describes our erstwhile TruthDig hypocrite, Robert Giacobbe, to a tee.......

Mr. Giacobbe is a she with a dubious character. She wrote at the end of a rant to me: “I am Sicilian female. Don’t mess with me, or I would break your head.” Literally, “don’t break my dick.” She sent me a subtle threat as being a Sicilian “Mafia.”

Since you want to be so polite to her by addressing her with “Mr.”, I thought that your politeness should be addressed in the right gender.

You know what, you are like asking a DEAD man, UNARMED DEAD MAN to prove that he should not have been murdered by three gun toting cops.

Judge Cooperman should have just called for “Open Season on blacks.”

Mr. Giacobbe, I was recommended this site for the same reasons you state, and the same reasons illustrated--continually--by ITW. Many other sites are as you say, laden with vitriol and meandering minds. TD has changed somewhat since I started reading a year ago. HOWEVER, it is still worth the reading and participating because ITW is not alone in presentation, there are many others who frequent this site, and so, worthy of staying the course.

Stick with it...even though you’re one of THEM. Just kidding.

Having said that, I will take Conservative Yankee’s advise and vacate this shit fight, post haste.

Before you run off and make this incident a racial issue I would like to inform you that not all of the officers were white. Thus, I don’t see how you can blame the outcome of the case on race. If both the defendent and the victim were black then no matter what the outcome a black person would “win.”

While there may be other factors or instances of the case to blame, race is not one of them. I think it is a travesty of justice that anytime someone of color is killed and the defendent is not found guilty it is “racially motivated.” It is this kind of thinking that keeps America from moving forward.

So the “Sicilian” whom the Arab-Muslims did not succeed to civilize, when they conquered that sad island and brought it civilization and enlightenment, is finding his only solace in and support from a notorious hating Zionist, full of hot air; and that’s how he “Inherited The Wind.”

Don’t feel sad “Sicilian,” soon when the word of your being embattled spreads around, the Zionist Mafia will come to the support of its Sicilian sister. I feel this could be a good scenario for a movie!

just another racist coward!

ITW:

I don’t think your being completely intellectually honest here.

The three officers and their lawyers “gamed” the system as so many people do, and it worked.

First, they chose not to undergo a jury trial because they knew that, even if an impartial jury could be empaneled, they stood far less of a chance against twelve than against one.

Second, the officers did not testify in their own behalfs.  And contrary to your assertion, this was because their stories did NOT jibe completely; e.g., only one of the other two officers heard Det. Isnora identify himself as a police officer before firing.

Third, let’s be honest about Judge Cooperman: he may be a “veteran,” but that wouldn’t make him any less “prejudiced” if he is.  In this regard, it is notable that he stated in his decision that he considered “the criminal backgrounds and demeanors” of Guzman and Benefield in making his decision.  This is completely contrary to the propre adjudication of law: a judge ALWAYS instructs a jury that these things are NOT to be considered in their deliberations (I have been on juries and have heard this from each judge) - particularly when the officers themselves were not aware of the criminal backgrounds of Guzman and Benefield when the incident occurred.

And that is just one error among other errors and inconsistencies in the actual decision.

Peace.

I find the presumption that NYC police officers will always get off disgusting. 

Justin Volpe is serving a 30 year sentence for sodomizing suspect Abner Louima with a broomstick so badly that Louima needed internal surgery.

Thomas Weise, Thomas Bruder amd Charles Schwarz were all convicted of a criminal coverup.

Read the verdict!  And then go read the Constitution.  The judge said very precisely that there was insufficient evidence to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

That’s the gold standard (or supposed to be) of criminal justice.  The defence doesn’t have to do anything--the prosecution must demonstration beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendent is guilty.  Otherwise, by our law and our standards, he must be found Not Guilty.

I’m sure Fadel doesn’t have a clue to how American justice works when it’s working correctly...Cops kill Black suspect--they MUST be guilty.

And stop with the straw man that these cops are heroes to right-wingers.  They are not.  Clearly, even under their story, they f***ed up bigtime. But is that ipso facto a crime or simply a tragedy?  There’s no guarantee these cops won’t be disciplined, or even dismissed.  And they probably deserve that.

Robert:

Here is a little history lesson for you:

Date: 10/84
Victim: Eleanor Bumpers (deceased)
Race: Black
Officer: Stephen Sullivan
Race: White
Claim: Bumpers lunged at him with a knife
Outcome: Acquitted
Official Suggestion: Better training (situation could have been handled by ESU w/o fatality)

Date: 8/97
Victim: Abner Louima (living)
Race: Black
Officers: Justin Volpe, Charles Schwartz
Race: White
Claim: Volpe tortured Louima w/a broomstick (Louima had been brought in after a scuffle at a club at which he was DEFENDING the woman being attacked)
Outcome: Volpe, 30 years; Schwartz, 5 years
Official Suggestion: Better training and oversight

Date: 6/98
Victim: Antoine Reid (deceased)
Race: Black
Officer: Michael Meyer
Race: White
Claim: None (Reid was simply washing his windshield)
Outcome: Cleared of criminal charges; fired for using excessive force
Official Suggestion: Better training

Date: 2/99
Victim: Amadou Diallo (deceased)
Race: Black
Officers: Sean Carroll, Richard Murphy, Edward McMellon, Kenneth Boss
Race: White
Claim: Diallo was reaching for a gun (he was actually reaching for his wallet)
Outcome: All officers acquitted
Official Suggestion: Better training and oversight

Date: 3/00
Victim: Patrick Dorismond (deceased)
Race: Black
Officer: Anthony Vasquez
Race: Hispanic
Claim: Scuffle leading to accidental shooting
Outcome: No charges filed
Official Suggestion: Better training

Date: 5/03
Victim: Ousmane Zongo (deceased)
Race: Black
Officer: Bryan Conroy
Race: White
Claim: Error (turns out Zongo worked at the location and was not robbing it)
Outcome: Tried twice, sentenced to probation
Official Suggestion: Better training

Date: 1/04
Victim: Timothy Stansbury (deceased)
Race: Black
Officer: Richard Neri
Race:
Claim: Error (Stansbury was taking a shortcut over a roof to a party in an adjoining building)
Outcome: No indictment; suspended w/o pay, stripped of gun.
Official Suggestion: Better training

Date: 11/06
Victim: Sean Bell (deceased)
Race: Black
Officers: Michael Oliver, Gescard Isnora, Marc Cooper
Race: White, Black
Claim: Gun, plus use of vehicle as weapon
Outcome: Acquitted
Official Suggestion: Better training and oversight

Even if one or two of these could be excused, or even justified, there is clearly a pattern here.  How many times must “better training and oversight” be suggested before they actually occur?  Or is it that the NYPD simply doesn’t care?

Peace.

Well said!
Thank you.

Awe ... but interesting enough for you to read twice.
Looks like I hit that nail right on the head, right?

Playing dumb does not wipe your hateful prejudice from your posts. You are what you are ... and we all see it clearly. That “mark” I mean. And dumbness or even a lot of scrubing wont wash that away.

You type, you identify yourself.

I suspect one can pretty much expect the same thing when you open your mouth. Thank goodness for small blessings. At least we don’t have to hear you!

To the villain Robert Giacobbe!

Yet this Wikipedia that your rotten mind is trying to belittle, is the target of a takeover by the Zionist bunch, so they can control another of the very few free forums out there in these sad United States of America, of which you keep dishonoring with your bigotry and racism.

In Defense of Truthdig!

Vomits Robert Giacobble:

“I repeat: Truthdig should be renamed “AgendaSpin” or “SmearDig” because I rarely ever see anyone actually presenting the truth.”
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I write this piece mainly in defense of the enlightened forum Truthdig against the rabid attacks of this villain who started this when he came in defense of his other beget comrade Frank; both of which are, at best, petty-minded individuals who write incoherent rants in defense of injustice and savagery killings. And I dare to say that both of them are the worst bigots-racists who exemplify all what is wrong with these sad United States of America.

They started by defending the brutality and savagery of the NY police. And to add insult to injury, they moved to attacking and belittling the victims of this savagery and brutality, and by extension attacking Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, Douglas Chalmers, myself and finally Truthdig, and by extension attacking everyone who expresses any view not to their liking. 

I can bet my life on it that these two individuals never before had an open forum where they got the opportunity to express their views, never mind how hateful, incoherent and irrational they are. To use the metaphor of the ungrateful animal that bites the hand feeding it, one can gain great insight into what types of dubious characters these two individuals have. Earlier, and on another thread, Frank started a vicious rabid attack against Islam, profiling my name, ethnicity and religion, and when I called him a hateful Zionist bigot, he raised a hell, to be followed by the hell raised now by Robert Giacobble, who is escalating his attacks against the only forum which allowed them a chance for their rants.

The labels racists, bigots, fascists, Zionists, KKK, might not all technically apply to both of you Frank and Robert, but at least two of these labels fit your ugly hateful thought.

I’ve been writing to newspapers, magazines, and Web Sites for over thirty years now. Though I managed to get my views published in major newspapers and some magazines, in three languages, scores of times, I never experienced the facility of expressing my views through Truthdig. If there is a forum that epitomizes the concept of free speech, then that forum is Truthdig, and the best proof of that is that they even tolerate the garbage thrown at them by deviant minds like Frank and Robert.

Isn’t it amazing how fear can trigger hatred, and hatred can trigger rage, which immediately calls on all the buried stupidity, prejudice, violence and racism.

Then after the fact and the deed is done, lacking the fundamental courage to confront said fear, hatred and rage, [let alone acknowledge their guilt] those who lost whatever control they had blame their victim. Which feeds the buried fear, that leads to the inevitable repeat of the loss of control.

I suspect this isn’t the first, nor will it be the last time these cops have lost control. 

And as usual defenders of bad behavior jump to defend the indefensible. Screaming loud and clear through the facade of really caring about justice, or much of anything else, for that matter.

Truth is some folks want justice only for those they determine are good enough to be almost as good as them.

What’s that old saying? Oh yeh, consider the source.

“A veteran NY state judge, trained in adjudicating just such complex situations ...”

Oh thanks for that insightful and INCREDIBLE observation Robert Giacobbe!

Friends don’t let friends drive drunk. And friends shouldn’t let friends walk away from responsibility. Refusing to demand accountability serves no good purpose and pretty well guaranties the wrong done will be done again.

Incredible!

“Before we pin medals on the defendants for their heroism, let’s look at what they did,” said prosecutor Charles Testagrossa. “Two full magazines poured into a motionless vehicle of unarmed passengers speaks of rage.”

Thanks for that quote DC. Pretty well sums up the condition of the offending cops, huh. That condition called, “I got the gun and you’re the wrong color.” Or maybe, “In case we got the wrong guy, lets just make sure no-ones left standing.”

Trained “… in adjudicating just such complex situations ...” eh? Well yes, I would say if the victims were black and the offenders were cops, the judge sought is just going to have to be someone whose been well-trained in tolerating racism and bad cop, white-washing. Yep. And you don’t have to be any special color or a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Just glad I don’t have to go there [New York City] anymore. Not because of my color or whether or not I may or may not encounter drug dealers or bad cops. But just because when a grave injustice is done, it tends to pollute the surrounding environs. If that’s what I want, I can always visit inside the belt-way.

Will we the people of the United States ever overcome the sewage we waddle in? Will we ever, ever be able to overcome the disgraceful heritage we celebrate?

Fear, hatred, racism, war, murder, drugs, plunder and greed. And shopping for the “right” justice should we happen to be exposed in our dirtiness.

My heart goes out to the Fiancé, and the family members of the victim[s] of this crime. And if my compassion offends anyone, all I can say is good!

Wear your “mark” with the false pride it deserves.

One of his friends, Joseph Guzman, was in a critical condition after being hit 11 times, and another, Trent Benefield, was in a stable condition with wounds to his leg and buttocks.

The officers on the scene fired a total of 50 bullets, but fewer than half hit the intended target, a car carrying the three men, despite being fired at close range. The rest sprayed nearby cars and buildings, as local residents leapt out of bed and huddled on the floor. One of the stray bullets shattered a window at a train station in the neighbourhood, injuring two transport police officers with flying glass...” http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/27/usa.julian borger

A. The peoples’ “people power” revolution is on its way, RG, against all your gun-totin’ Wild West redneck crazies, uniformed or otherwise.

B. if “socialist paradise” means affordable health care, schools and a living wage, why not? You could even have it in the good ol’ USA!!!

C. The OTHER scenario was that the drunken drug-taking “undercover cops stood in the wrong place at the wrong time and one got bumped by the car Bell was supposedly driving.

The came the righteous rage of the idiot who fired the 31 shots. Why did he reload and empty another full magazine into the car?  Why did half the shots miss if they were experience with firearms?

Why would any decent person take any notice of some screaming bunch of vicious freaks in plain clothes who were obviously armed and aggressive? Driving away was the only option..........

The New York PD may as well wear white sheets with badges declaring their omnipotence.
I don’t care what justice (used loosely)Cooperman has meted out in th past. Each case has its own merits, and all you have to do with this case is look at the FACTS.
Three unarmed males. No gun ever recovered.
Those facts can’t be changed, and there was no disturbance to cause the cops to panic or over-react. Where in the world does Y train its police force? I would have to guess, at the School of the Americas.
I stand with Al Sharpton and his people.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-n a-seanbell15apr15,1,6720635.story

Quote LATimes: “Before we pin medals on the defendants for their heroism, let’s look at what they did,” said prosecutor Charles Testagrossa. “Two full magazines poured into a motionless vehicle of unarmed passengers speaks of rage.”

From Wiki:-

The New York Post reported that, according to an unnamed undercover officer, Guzman had an argument inside the club with a woman and threatened to get a gun. One of Bell’s friends was heard to say “yo, get my gun” as they left the scene. Fearing a shooting was in the making, the Undercover Detective followed them to their car while alerting his Backup team that they were possibly retrieving a gun from the car, prompting the team to confront Bell and his companions before they could leave the scene.  The undercover officer followed the group and Bell was ordered by the officer to raise his hands after getting in his car. Instead, Bell accelerated the car and seconds later hit an unmarked police minivan. A toxicology report reportedly showed that he was legally drunk at the time of the shooting........

An autopsy showed Bell was struck four times in the neck and torso.  Guzman, 31, was shot 19 times and Benefield, 23, who was in the back seat, was hit three times........

That all looks kind of like the undercover guys were most probably drunk themselves and picked a fight with one or more of the victims in the club or before, then eventually followed them outside but also set up the backup team with a false alert on ‘something’ happening.

Obviously, Oliver who was the most experience and should have been the most responsible went beserk and there must have been a reason for that. He’d obviously set it up with the full intention of wiping out everyone in the car and didn’t even care about any people in the background, uhh!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell

Robert Giacobbe!

So you are a man of theories, logic, and facts?! Ha… Ha… Ha… Thank you for giving me a laugh I really needed!

The ever fanatic Zionist defending the victimizer against the victimized. I am wondering if you have any trace of humanity in your diseased heart!

So, a drunk crack dealer who’s friend was yelling for him to “get my gun” got shot while repeatedly ramming a police van with his car, and this is a travesty of justice?

Sharpton and his Cult of Black Victimhood must be hard up for legitimate martyrs these days.

We all better hope that after Bush awards Medals of Honor to the three rabid ‘Shoot ‘Em Up’ NYC cops, he doesn’t make them Secret Service agents as a promotion. 

If Obama wins the presidency, he’ll have to hire Blackwater to protect him from the Secret Service, and Hamas to protect him from Blackwater, and MOSSAD to protect him from Hamas, and Skinheads to protect him from MOSSAD, and..............

A travesty of justice is a precise description of this acquittal! If the situation was reversed, and the savagely slaughtered person was a white, then I am sure the verdict would have been different.

A civil disobedience to shut the city down is a mild way of reaction to this travesty of justice in the 21st century. While the justice system of third world countries moves forward, the justice system in these sad United States of America moves backward. Sad and outrageous indeed!