I have only one word to describe the pastor Boyd. IGNORANT….

This used to be a great nation.  Not any more.

But, people like you who cling to religion like junkies cling to drugs are the reason we are now a nation on the slide.  Christians in the US are the most intolerable bunch I have ever seen.  Fake Christians like George Bush are the leaders of the blundering Christian crusaders doing everything and anything in the name of God….

Lately I am embarrassed to be from the US. The educated enlightened people of the world are laughing at us.  All we have is the biggest military and dorkiest leader. 

We will go the way of Rome and “God” will do nothing to stop it.  Just wait and see. 

Liberals, conservative, libertarians…. who give a shit what label you use.  I personally now liberal Christians and conservative atheists.  I personally know republicans who believe in abortion and democrats that are against abortion!  How does that figure in to you’re your religion induced vision of liberals and conservatives?  Figure that one out you braniac.

Sincerely,

Proud to be an American, but lately very embarrassed to be an American.

Dude, get an education.

Re: Robert

This IS how to connect with them.  Your assertion that they can’t listen to reason or something in their own self interest only serves to enhance the fear mongering and pandering to extremists, which we’ve seen all too much of.  Remember, the right-wingers CHEATED to win, people didn’t VOTE them in!  They saw the writing on the wall.

My premise:  “Do moderate Christians want to be a part of this group?  And if America were to be a Christian theocracy, which Christian religion would they choose…Baptist, Mormon, Catholic, Lutheran, etc…?  These extremists need to be marginalized or stopped, not pandered to.

They can worship as they please, UNTIL OR IF, they break laws which inflict on rights of others to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Look what has happened at the Texas compound recently and in the past at Waco. Westboro Baptist Church is another hate group using the guise of religion to break the law of the land.”

>I’ve said this before, my MOTHER is a Christian, one of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet (reasonable too).  I don’t feel the need to debase the people who are Christian in general, just the extremists and their leaders.

As to your issue with my comment: “We are NOT voting as a religion, we are voting as a country”  It still stands.  This is what religious people need to be reminded of.  Do they want a DEMOCRACY or a THEOCRACY!

You sound as if you think that the people don’t understand this.  For the most part I think they do.  When the people rallied against Westboro’s tactics at the soldiers funeral, it was all types.
Gays, atheists, Christians and whoever else.  The larger majority of America does NOT like this viciousness.

I couldn’t find the longer version of this clip, which depicts more of the crowd BEFORE this incident, however it DOES show that the people DO NOT LIKE this mentality AT ALL.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=401254430899635463&q=westboro+baptist+attacked&ei=UYIPSOuMKJHmqgLzwJW3BA

I’m not sure I follow you, Robert.  The fact that these factions exist, doesn’t mean we should pander to them. That’s exactly what we should not do.

As far as “the left” (whatever that is) recognizing religion, “the left” or more accurately, AMERICA, has ALWAYS recognized religion as a part of the social/cultural make-up of America.  That is precisely why our constitution recognizes the NEED for the separation of church and state.

Do moderate Christians want to be a part of this group?  And if America were to be a Christian theocracy, which Christian religion would they choose…Baptist, Mormon, Catholic, Lutheran, etc…?  These extremists need to be marginalized or stopped, not pandered to.

They can worship as they please, UNTIL OR IF, they break laws which inflict on rights of others to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Look what has happened at the Texas compound recently and in the past at Waco. Westboro Baptist Church is another hate group using the guise of religion to break the law of the land.

Re: Robert Giacobbe

Your comment: “Your animosity to, and hatred for, religion has blinded you to this simple fact: some degree of pandering to religion, even in a positive way, is required the win the hearts and minds of this so-called christian nation.  Clinton, Obama and Edwards have made meager steps in this direction, a first for the Dems.

When the left figures out how to co-opt religion in this country as effectively as the right has done, then you’ll finally be on equal footing.”

>These are RADICAL groups.  A fact you conveniently disregard in your post.  Ironically, you attempt to make the issue one of MY HATRED and simply ignore the HATE speech on this sign concerning another religion.  These are the things that start “holy wars”.  This, my god is better than your god, trash talk.

NO, I don’t believe ANY party should pander for the religious vote.  Separation of church and state, remember….  If we continue down this road, we will end up a theocratic plutocracy, much like Iran.  Radicals in ANY religion are dangerous people.  What was the Spanish Inquisition about but RADICAL CHRISTIANS. 

We are NOT voting as a religion, we are voting as a country.  And so called “Christians” ought to be reminded of that fact.  Ask yourself; why is this church involved in politics (isn’t their salvation coming from somewhere else), why would being a Muslim (even if it were true) be something to vote against and why does this church not follow their own scripture of Caesar’s things to Caesar and God’s things to God. (or however that goes)

I am NOT the hateful one.  This church and it’s adherents who voted for this sign are.  I have voted for Christian candidates and I would vote for a Muslim candidate.  I would vote for an atheist.  RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE A DECIDING FACTOR FOR CHOOSING A CANDIDATE TO RUN THIS COUNTRY.

Doesn’t the bible say “moderation in all things” or something to that effect?  Groups such as this are HATE GROUPS and they do not follow that which they claim to follow.  They attempt to convince themselves and everyone one else, that if they slap the label Christian upon themselves, they can proceed in whatever way they please.  After all, they have “God’s Blessing” and their viciousness (many times crimes) should be “forgiven”....

Bullshit on that noise.  Have we learned NOTHING!  Look at the NUTTY, RADICAL, CHRISTIAN we have in charge NOW!  These are nutty people masquerading as “Christians”.

And if the money isn’t so good, the opportunities for sex are terrific.

So is this pastor a christian?  I don’t know, he certainly doesn’t act like one!

“It’s simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ,” he said.

You know what I think would happen? Progress.

People who do not think like the sign in front of the church are supposed to be happy to know people call themselves Christian and actually vote with brains the size of peas. Yes so what.

Tax the churches.
Tax all the churches.

We fought a civil war to keep these morons a part of the union.Of course it is not political.It is too stupid to be political so it must have religious connotations.I guess then he has no trouble with the Rev Wright’s statements since he is not sure Obama is a christian.I am sure that the seat next Jerry Falwell in hell will be held by one of these religious morons.

Become a hypocrite and start your own church, they say the money is good.

Ignorance make for a hard fight to the finish.  We have seen the racism here on TD, and I suspect it is very strong in Texas. Hang in there mike, you may feel alone but others agree with you.

What about John McCain? Cain? Wasn’t he a murderer?
Didnt he kill his own brother? Doesnt Mc mean “son of”  Shouldnt we investigate any connection that similar names mean similar nature.Sorry but Roger Boyd is talking just as stupidly
As RAE put it “This “pastor” is a JERK who clearly knows NOTHING about what it means to actually BE a Christian. Can you imagine Christ Himself EVER coming up with such sleazy garbage? ”

Another bizarre religious group, the fact that this DOESN’T surprise me, scares me. When is America going to wake up and see how dangerous these people are.  Sounds like this congregation is well into preparing for their oxymoron “holy war”.

I think we should take one of those atolls in the South Pacific we used during WWII and throw ALL the radical elements of EVERY religion on it, and let them battle it out WITHOUT weapons.  Maybe if they physically beat the livin’ daylights out of each other they’ll figure out they’re not all that different.  Seriously…hasn’t the world tried just about everything else with these people?

Can’t be sure about McCain or Clinton, they’ve changed positions so many times.

Someone should tell Chris Hedges about this guy.  Maybe this dude has the sort of “soul” and “way” he’s seeking.

Business must be slow.

Not a whole lota sinners out there that can afford to go to Church anymore, eh?

Not only is pastor Boyd an idiot, he is completely dishonest if he expects anyone to believe that the message is not political.

State governments should be allowed to tax all churches, mosques and temples. 

Why should religious bigotry and viewpoints contrary to mine be allowed to continue tax free when I have to pay those taxes?

Humm

The narrow-minded, ego-centric mentality that dreams up this kind of odious character assassination nearly makes me puke.

This “pastor” is a JERK who clearly knows NOTHING about what it means to actually BE a Christian. Can you imagine Christ Himself EVER coming up with such sleazy garbage?

I’d take an HONEST follower of Mohammed in the White House anyday over this kind of EVIL-MINDED, DISHONEST CHRISTIAN.