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Petraeus: ‘There Are Risks Beyond Iraq’

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Posted on Apr 10, 2008
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Gen. David Petraeus tells NBC’s Brian Williams that if ordered by the president to get out of Iraq, he could: “Absolutely. ... I firmly believe whoever it is that is elected in the fall will sit down and look at the various interests, try to figure out the competing risks, because there are risks beyond Iraq.”

The general also made it clear that he has absolutely no designs on public office.

(h/t: Mark Halperin)

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Williams also asked, “In your job, you give orders, you also take them from your Commander in Chief. And if your commander in chief said ‘get out,’ could you carry that out?

Petraeus: “Absolutely. Again, we raise our right hand; we swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. One of the principles enshrined in the way we do business in the United States is civilian control of the military. There is also responsibility on the part of a commander, of course, to discuss what risks are associated with various courses of action. And I firmly believe whoever it is that is elected in the fall, will sit down and look at the various interests, try to figure out the competing risks, because there are risks beyond Iraq.”

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By 1twenty1, April 11 at 10:48 am #
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For Voice of Truth

I guess you would have to be a woman raped, shamed for reporting it and seeing the perpetrator slapped on the wrist as punishment to understand “hate and contempt for the military” wouldn’t you VOT?

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By voice of truth, April 11 at 4:37 pm #
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Re: For Voice of Truth

better to be sycophantic than psychopathic.

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By voice of truth, April 11 at 3:27 pm #
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Re: For Voice of Truth

This post is so ignorant, I can’t even believe it originated in a sentient being.

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By 1twenty1, April 11 at 4:24 pm #
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Re: Re: For Voice of Truth

At least I don’t have a sycophantic screen name.

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By Paolo, April 11 at 1:44 pm #
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Re: For Voice of Truth

My critique of General Grievous (oops--I mean “Petraeus") would not be that he is stupid. I am sure that, were he to take an IQ test, he would come out above average.

I also would not criticize his motives, as I have no way of knowing them. There are rumors that he has political aspirations, but I don’t think they are more than rumors.

My criticism begins with his being, in the words of Admiral Fallon, an “ass-kissing little chickenshit.” That is, he has gotten his numerous promotions not only through his abilities to carry out difficult assignments, but also his ability to toady up to his superiors.

A toady can act very intelligently, within the box his superiors give him. Thus, Grievous has done as good a job as is possible with the “splurge.” As a toady, he does not question the overall wisdom of waging an unprovoked, aggressive war against a destitute, third-world country. He just follows orders, just like his toady predecessors in the Third Reich. They, too--within the limits laid out to them by their superiors--were brilliant; actually, they were much more brilliant than General Grievous. But they refused to look at the larger picture. Thus we had the obscene spectacle of Rommel (for example), possibly one of the most brilliant tactical field generals ever, serving Hitler.

In the end, Rommel redeemed his soul by taking part in the plot to kill Hitler. A truly brilliant man has a hard time serving a monster for very long. The question is, will Grievous ever raise his head and speak out loudly against our insane and immoral war and occupation of Iraq?

One can hope....

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By Aegrus, April 11 at 11:10 am #
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Re: For Voice of Truth

Hey now, are you going to make a sweeping generalization of all our servicemen and women? Would you like to throw Jews, Republicans, Hispanics, Muslims and School Teachers under your bus as well?

Progressive Views are Inclusive Views. Are you going to lead by example, or fall into the trap of Corporate Class Warfare?

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By voice of truth, April 11 at 7:38 am #
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Hatred and contempt of the Military

I love how you fools who have so much contempt for the military have no idea what it even is.

“The only thing Petrael is interested in is his next promotion” - - - Um, as a 4 star general there really is no further promotion for him.  He can have other jobs, but promotion to a 5th star, which hasn’t happened since WWII, is not gonna happen.

“I mean, he’s dumb, but not that dumb.” - - - Really??  You really think that?  First off, he is a very intelligent man.  Secondly, dumb means that one can’t speak.  I believe that most of you are frothing because he is, in fact, speaking.  Those of you who are against the war and hate the military, you lost total credibility when you make these ridiculous personal attacks.

“The purpose of the military is to defend the US” - - - And US interests.  That’s a fact.  Of course, we could play ostrich in the sand, like we did between the World Wars, and watch more people get exterminated, even our own citizens.  That would be a heckuva a lot of fun, wouldn’t it?!

If I am not mistaken, and I have read the testimony, nothing that the General stated was crazy at all.  I found him completely truthful, open and honest.  I believe he gave frank answers, many of which do not help to support the White House’s take.

That said, and as Aegrus hinted at, anyone who is not disgusted with the politics of the senators and representatives for their lame, ridiculous, pollyannaish and just plain silly questions really needs their head examined.

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By TDoff, April 11 at 9:47 am #
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Re: Hatred and contempt of the Military

‘Intelligence’ is a relative quality.

For example, were George Bush to temporarily vacate his alternate universe, and succumb to reality, and recognize his true qualities by abandoning his megalomania, he would be forced to consider you as more ‘intelligent’, relative to himself. That would put you in a vast majority of 100%.

The rest of us, of course, would still regard you as you are. So you are right, by your standard, by your reality, from your level of ‘intelligence’, Petraeus is more ‘intelligent’.

But he has not achieved ‘thinking’ status, he is a beribboned toady.

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By voice of truth, April 11 at 10:11 am #
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Re: Re: Hatred and contempt of the Military

Clearly, by “the rest of us”, you again assume, without any fact, that you have a firm grip on the intelligence level of any individual, simply because of your beliefs.

You’ve posted three times now and, sadly, you still allow your belief system to allow you to pass judgement on people.  Consider the parables to that.  It’s a little scary, don’t you think?

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By Aegrus, April 11 at 9:17 am #
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Re: Hatred and contempt of the Military

A lot of the “Left” and Progressive circles need to kick out these idiots who view all of the military as either cheap fodder for their cause or baby-killers. These kinds of false-progressive rabble-rousers feign concern for “our troops” when it benefits their platform and demonize them when its convenient to their sympathizers.

We are a sovereign nation, and every country on Earth has some form of military defense (unless there is something I’m not aware of). Our military branches do serve a purpose beyond just killing people and maintaining peace abroad. It’s a structure system for all citizens, who should enlist when corporate wars have been eliminated from the picture, which helps many indigent and troubled youths gain focus and become productively integrated to our society.

Sure, we can all wish more Winter Soldiers banged on the doors of Congress. The argument can be made about Patraeus, or any other serviceman, has the ability to discredit Bush… but do we need anyone else to discredit this liar? NO! Anyone who isn’t part of the Bush-NeoCon doctrine knows the illegitimacy of the OCCUPATION of Iraq, and it’s true form as a way for War Profiteers to line their pocketbooks.

Leave our military institutions out of the political argument. It’s ineffective, inappropriate and indignant. Doesn’t matter what side you’re fighting for.

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By michael, April 11 at 8:47 am #
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Re: Hatred and contempt of the Military

Yea no where to go but to the white house.  just because we dont believe him does not mean we hate the army.  We just dont like that the picked an chose a commander to get what they wanted.  How may generals have retired during they last 5 years ?

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By TDoff, April 11 at 8:02 am #
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Re: Hatred and contempt of the Military

You challenge my use of the word ‘dumb’, though it’s colloquial meaning is quite clear. Your use of the word ‘intelligent’, on the other hand, is stupid. ‘Intelligent’ connotes ‘thinking’, and what thinking person would support a dolt like Bush, and his inane, megalomaniacal, depredations upon Iraq? Petraeus was chosen for his position not for intelligence, but for docility, slavish saluting of an appointed oaf of a ‘president’. No ‘intelligent’ man would assist in the massive perversions of truth that resulted in our invasion and occupation of a country that never threatened us, and could not have harmed us if it had.

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By voice of truth, April 11 at 8:29 am #
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Re: Re: Hatred and contempt of the Military

Again, your points on the intelligence of the man are not based on any facts at all.  You assume, incorrectly, that because you have such a hatred of George Bush and any “thinking” person should “think” just like you.  Wouldn’t that be a great world to live in, if everyone had the exact same thoughts as everyone else, and you got to rule over it??

Somehow, George Bush and his team have managed to win two national elections, the second time with the greatest number of votes that anyone else in history, and with 10% more of the electorate than Bill Clinton ever managed.  I’m thinking that someone is smarter than you.

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By Aegrus, April 11 at 5:47 am #
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As ridiculous as all the dog-and-pony-show testimony and inquiry with Patraeus is, I’m glad we are discussing the Iraq OCCUPATION again. This is a real issue, and is a much welcomed (if reoccurring) relief from the stupidity of the primary coverage.

Additionally, I remain steadfast in my support against using military officials to be used as political tools for or against the OCCUPATION of Iraq. They are doing a job. It’s not effective to ask the reasons behind construction workers why they are building a skyscraper in the Atlantic Ocean when the person who ordered the construction is held unaccountable. Backwards Thinking.

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By Paolo, April 11 at 4:49 am #
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Of course there are risks beyond Iraq. So long as you send armies to every corner of the globe, invading sovereign nations, backing up puppet regimes, and killing thousands, you are going to make enemies.

We need to adopt the Ron Paul foreign policy of non-interventionism. The purpose of the military is to defend the US, not meddle in every conceivable international rivalry. This means staying out of, not only the Middle East, but also Darfur, Pakistan, Central America--you name it.

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By bozhidar bob balkas, April 11 at 5:39 am #
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Re: paolo's comment

rebuilding UN might make us more effective in controling drug manufacture, trade, and growth of drugs. recognizing world court and supporting it in arresting and prosecuting war criminals, might also be helpful. demanding that we do not punish millions for crimes of individuals, would be a giant step towards our betterment.
demonizing or punishing individuals, be it bush, milosevic, saddam, for crimes commited by milions is unproductive. 
it’s obvious to me that at least 5 milion americans are responsible for crimes against afghanistan, iraq, and palestine.
this is the reason why the US ruling class does not and may never recognize any law nor world courts.

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By ender, April 11 at 4:34 am #
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Love him, Pat Buchanan has a touch of the prophetic.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61277

I didn’t hear anyone ask Betrayus if the Shia militias that Iran is supposedly supporting and arming are the same ones we are supporting and arming.  Our puppet gov’t were exiled Iraqi Shias who spent much of their time in Iran.

DickBush is manipulating this war for really nefarious purposes.  I can’t even figure if Iran is the end game.  I’m beginning to suspect that Darth Cheney’s life goal is WWIII and the idiot in the white house is just the man to give it to him.

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By TDoff, April 11 at 1:45 am #
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Of course he’s ‘absolutely not interested’ in political office.

If your particular fetish was being in the military, and you were appointed commander of a great army, as Emperor of a foreign nation whose history precedes Christ by thousands of years, esconced in a palace complex unrivaled in history, with the ability to send out troops to play ‘cowboys and indians’ at your whim, untold riches at your disposal to plunder....would you trade that for a politico’s office?

I mean, he’s dumb, but not that dumb.

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By DennisD, April 10 at 6:50 pm #
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Civilian control ??

“because there are risks beyond Iraq.”

Like a worldwide depression, bird flu, global warming, terrorist attacks and on and on and on.

I’m tired of these fear mongers endlessly crying wolf as an excuse to enrich themselves. The only thing Petrael is interested in is his next promotion.

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By Marshall, April 11 at 11:14 am #
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Re: Civilian control ??

I’m confused - you believe these other things are legitimate issues or not?

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