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Resign-a-Thon 2008 Continues

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Posted on Mar 16, 2008
Reverend Wright
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Within the span of a week, the Obama and Clinton campaigns have both weathered the scandal-induced resignations of three key advisers. In this latest round of campaign poker, Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., stepped down Friday from the Illinois senator’s African American Religious Leadership Committee.


Bloomberg.com:

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose sermons raging against the U.S. have sparked controversy, is no longer formally tied to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign, an Obama spokesman said late yesterday.

Wright, Obama’s longtime spiritual adviser and pastor of his Chicago church, was off Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee as of last night, said campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor, who didn’t elaborate. The move follows calls for Obama to sever connections to Wright after news outlets began airing some of the pastor’s past sermons.

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By Kaleokualoha, February 12, 2011 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

Jimmy is “mistaken,” and has apparently been misinformed by propaganda. Obama never wrote “I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race” (see debunking at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords... ). It is a fabrication, like the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

You can confirm this truth yourself because a searchable copy of Obama’s book is posted online at http://issuu.com/xinyangge/docs/obama_barack_...

Don’t believe the hype!

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By Leefeller, March 21, 2008 at 6:59 am Link to this comment

Burt,

Your comments on Obama are interesting in that they attempt to take the wind out of the sails for Obama, you try very hard.

So,  you can write a better speech, more unifying in your eyes. 

All for political advantage, self serving, Obama places the competition in the dust, you can criticize all you want, you seem to miss the positive opportunities, because you try hard to do just that.

Yes the Clinton’s are the Unifiers not Obama, you sold me on that one Bert.

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By amunaor, March 20, 2008 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

Yes Obama handles stress very calmly. In your reference to ‘wind’, I thought perhaps Obama should take up the following slogan:

“I pay as much attention to the winds from the mouths of my critics as I do to the ones from their behinds” —Leonardo da Vinci

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Leefeller, March 20, 2008 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Bigots, are what they are, and they can be judged by what and how they talk about people, who they feel may be inferior. Bert and I went through a whole bigot and race disscussion on an other link. 

Definitions vary, but the results are the same. Actually it seems to me bigot and racist are slightly different, but are used similarly.

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By amunaor, March 19, 2008 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Precisely stated Leefeller!

Washington prefers maleable clones, not independant philosophers, eager to extend a hand towards diolog.

The forces of war fear peace.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, March 19, 2008 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

Not surprisingly, the center of McCain’s foreign policy is the Middle East. “He’s bought into the completely fallacious notion that we’re in a global struggle of us-versus-them. He calls it the ‘transcendental threat…of extreme Islam,” says Daalder. “But it’s a silly argument to think that this is either an ideological or a material struggle on a par with [the ones against] Nazi Germany or Soviet Communism.” For McCain, the Iraq War, the conflict with Iran, the Arab-Israeli dispute, the war in Afghanistan, the Pakistani crisis and the lack of democracy in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan are all rolled up into one “transcendent” ball of wax.

More than any other politician, McCain is identified with the Iraq War. From the mid-1990s on, he and his advisers were staunch supporters of ‘regime change’. Scheunemann helped write the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998, which funded Ahmad Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress; joined Bill Kristol’s Project for the New American Century; and helped create the neoconservative Committee for the Liberation of Iraq in 2002, with White House support. Together with Joe Lieberman, Sam Brownback and a handful of other senators, McCain emerged as a major cheerleader for the war. Like his fellow neocons, McCain touted what proved to be faked intelligence on the threat posed by Iraq. Echoing Vice President Cheney, McCain said on the eve of the war, “There’s no doubt in my mind, once Saddam is gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators.”

Barack won’t even find it necessary to fire a shot. Mad bomber Johnny will do himself in. Don’t allow the cattle-prod of fear to steer you vote.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, March 19, 2008 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

McCain the Warmonger

And you’ve heard, no doubt, about McCain’s stubbornness. “No dissent, no opinion to the contrary, however reasonable, will be entertained,” says Larry Wilkerson, a retired army colonel who was former Secretary of State Colin Powell’s top aide, “Hardheaded is another way to say it; arrogant is another way to say it; hubristic is another way to say it; too proud for his own good is another way to say it. It’s a quality about him that disturbs me.”

But what you may not have heard is an extended critique of the kind of Commander in Chief that Captain McCain might be. To combat what he likes to call the transcendent challenge of ‘radical Islamic extremism’. McCain is drawing up plans for a new set of global institutions, from a potent covert operations unit to a ‘League of Democracies’ that can bypass the balky United Nations, from an expanded NATO that will bump up against Russian interests in Central Asia and the Caucasus to a revived US unilateralism that will engage in ‘rogue state rollback’ against his version of the ‘axis of evil.’ In all, it’s a new apparatus designed to carry the ‘war on terror’ deep into the twenty-first century.

“We created a number of institutions in the wake of World War II to deal with the situation,” says Randy Scheunemann, McCain’s top adviser on foreign policy. “And what Senator McCain wants to begin a dialogue about is, Do we need new structures and new institutions, both internally, in the US government, and externally, to recognize that the situation we face now is very, very different than the one we faced during the cold war?” Joining Scheunemann, a veteran neoconservative strategist and one of the chief architects of the Iraq War, are a panoply of like-minded neocons who’ve gathered to advise McCain, including Bill Kristol, James Woolsey, Robert Kagan, Max Boot, Gary Schmitt and Maj. Ralph Peters. “There are some who’ve moved into his camp who scare me,” Wilkerson says. “Scare me.”

If McCain, dressed in military camouflage, sitting in his oval office war-room, intends to be a shoot first, ask questions later President, consider a couple of the new institutions he’s outlined, which seem designed to facilitate an unencumbered, interventionist foreign policy.

First is an unnamed “new agency patterned after the…Office of Strategic Services,” the rambunctious, often out-of-control World War II-era covert-ops team. “A modern day OSS could draw together specialists in unconventional warfare; covert action operators; and experts in anthropology, advertising, and other relevant disciplines,” wrote McCain in Foreign Affairs, “Like the original OSS, this would be a small, nimble, can-do organization” that would “fight terrorist subversion and take risks.” It’s clear that McCain wants to set up an agency to conduct paramilitary operations, covert action and psy-ops.

“He’s the true neocon,” says the Brookings Institution’s Ivo Daalder, a liberal interventionist who conceived the idea of a League of Democracies with Robert Kagan. “He does believe, in a way that George W. Bush never really did, in the use of power, military power above all, to change the world in America’s image. If you thought George Bush was bad when it comes to the use of military force, wait till you see John McCain…. He believes this. His advisers believe this. He’s surrounded himself with people who believe it. And I’ll take him at his word.” McCain is Bush on steroids!

Unless they throw us an ‘October Surprise’, this mad man will self imolate upon the stage of his own vile rhetoric.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, March 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

I suppose, sorry to say, some folks will just never get it. Unto the end, not realizing, or willing to accept, from the highest to the lowest, that we are all chips off the same block.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, March 18, 2008 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

You have pride in what this country has launched itself and the rest of us into?

What sort of Zombie are you anyway?

Good luck and sweet dreams!

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By bert, March 18, 2008 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

Re the March 16 at 2:47 pm post.  Great Post, as usual. Lots of great points. But I am going to comment only on this portion.

You write:  “Should we not be allowed to ask even a single question about race in this historic election without being immediately labeled a racist by the Obama campaign? When Bill Clinton called Obama’s record on the Iraq war a ‘fairy tale’ he was immediately called a bigot and the media never questioned it. Why exactly? Did anyone bother ask what he meant by that? Did anyone bother give the former President of the United States and long time supporter of the black community the benefit of the doubt?”

I have heard two people, Bill and Hillary Clinton, who for all of their faults, who have done a lot for the African American community over the years be raked over the coals and called racist for innocuous statements.

I have heard her campaign staff and supporters called racist for the slights remark.I feel like I have to walk on pins and needles if I question Obama on anything. I mean he is running for President. He is asking for my vote. I should be able to vet him and ask questions.

Now I don’t for a minutes think that Obama is a racist. But he, his campaign advisors, his surrogates, and his devoted followers sure do know how to play the ‘race card.’

In any of the situations (“fairy tale”, Ferraro, the LBJ comment, to mention a few) that have come up where a comment may or may not have been or could be interppreted as racist or divisive, a real uniter would have worked to diffuse them for the good of race relations and for the good of the country.

The Obama camapign did the opposite. His campaign stoked these situations and used them for political advantage.

A uniter would have said “I know President Clinton or I know Hillary and I know all of the good he/she has done for the Black community. He’s certainly no racist. And I know this statement is being taken out of context and being blown up by the media.”

If Obama would have said something like that in all these situations, if Obama had used his magnificent oratorical skills to diffuse these type situations, one, they would have gone away without inflaming passions, and two, he not only would look like a statesman HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A STATESMAN.

If something like this had occured, I very well could be a staunch supporter of Obama. He would have proved with his actions what his words say. There would not be this disconnect I see and feel between his words and actions. He would have been Presidential. And he would have gone a long way to diffuse the experience and ‘is he ready’ issue.

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By bert, March 17, 2008 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

Douglas - thank you for replying. Means I won’t. Actually, I see more of the blind fool in her words. Kind of like the story of the three blind men and the elephant.

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By Dave in Big Pine, March 17, 2008 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

is there anything the pastor said untrue?

can anyone argue against his points?

NO?

so what’s the problem?

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By bert, March 17, 2008 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Cyrena says     “However, in my reply to zeitgeist, (and I’m certain he knew what I was talking about, even though you wouldn’t because you’re stupid) I was referring to THIS COMMITTEE:”

Then you should have clearly said that. That is what good writers do. Good writers leave no wiggle room for misundersstanding in what they write. Or they try. You just spew. You write in generalities so that you can claim later that you were misunderstood. No wonder you support Obama. He does the same thing with his words. AND REMEMBER, CYRENA, “WORDS MATTER.”

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By bert, March 17, 2008 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

GREAT reply, Manni. Just great. She is far better possitioned on that issue than Obama.

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By Joe from Maine, March 17, 2008 at 8:17 am Link to this comment
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These comments are divisive and clearly anchored in hate. This laundry list of Obama talking points are a clear example of the politics of personal destruction. 

Oh wait. I can’t use that arguement can I? I believe it’s copywrited material - Obama ‘08, all rights reserved.

Frauds and hypocrits for Obama!

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By Maani, March 17, 2008 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

MMC:

“Hillary voted for a war to get elected to the Presidency. How is that working out for her?”

Apparently very well, considering that (i) Obama is self-destructing at an increasingly rapid pace, and (ii) McCain wouldn’t exactly be able to use her vote against her during a presidential campaign since he is the biggest cheerleader for the war.

Thanks for asking…

Peace. (pre-emptively)

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By Joe from Maine, March 17, 2008 at 8:11 am Link to this comment
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So none of that is topical. THE REAL QUESTION IS: When is Obama going to release his tax returns from his years as a state senator? The voters have a right to know who Michelle donated money to… Oh wait. That’s an Obama diversionary tactic. Sorry, my bad.

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By Maani, March 17, 2008 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Cyrena:

“Do you remember TravelGate?  I specifically reminded Maani of it not long ago, when he attacked some other poster, demanding to know what ‘proof’ there was that Hillary had ever caused anyone to lose their jobs.  So, I posted THAT bit of nastiness for him, only because he’d asked. And of course in our modern day and age, I was even able to direct him to the source. No response of course, but I wasn’t expecting one.”

Once again, a blatant lie.  I most certainly DID respond.  And what I said was that I was specificaly referring to Hillary causing people to lose their jobs during the campaign period, NOT prior thereto.

As an aside, re Travelgate, Lewinsky, Starr, the health care matter and other things that Zeitgeist, Leefeller and you have brought up as possible fodder for the right-wing cannons, you all make one HUGE error: ALL of these are “old news”; they were beaten to death by the media years ago.  Conversely, the fodder against Obama - Rezko, Exelon, Wright, Canada/NAFTA, etc. - is fresh and NEW, and would have “legs” if Obama wins the nomination.

Ironically, the issue that angers more people here than any other - Hillary’s vote for the Iraq war resolution - CANNOT be used by McCain, since he is the country’s biggest supporter of the war (after Bush, maybe).  Indeed, as I have said before, Hillary provides FAR less fodder for the right wing since all of the skeletons in her closet have long since been flogged to death.  There is nothing that the right wing can use to the same effect as the fodder it has against Obama.

That is why Obama can no longer win, even if he might have been able to before.

Peace.

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By Leefeller, March 17, 2008 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

Some of us have a positive feeling about cultures all cultures, not just the one I happen to belong to.

Bigots do not respect themselves or others, they show that in the way they carry themselves and respond to situations.

Wrights, comments reflect the naked truth, a truth that is so ignored, by the Mass Media and our Washington establishment. 

Our politicians are selected for us by the Plutocracy, they are supposed to be in the bag sort of speak.  Well Obama, may be a bit of a loose cannon and the established Plutocracy may be havening second thoughts.  He is not weened like Hillary and McCain, who are corporate clones, so my hope is Obama does become president, he just does not have that Washington insider mentality, this is my hope1

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By Leefeller, March 17, 2008 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

Have to make this short, find many great progressive comments below.  The muckraking by Hillary and cronies may fail them, because as Obama can rebound and even get more wind behind him.

cyrena, thanks I did get to read you comments to my post.

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By RdV, March 17, 2008 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

Man, this is one church service that would get me out of bed on Sunday morning!
  Like the Dean scream, I have no idea what we are supposed to be instructed to reel in horror from and point accusing fingers of outrage against—other than an honest expression of outrage or harsh truths revealed that are taboo in the Zionist-Wasp worldview.

  Meanwhile, they will keep telling us prosperity is right around the corner while the bottom falls out.
That is what we get for believing their lies.

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By Jimmy, March 16, 2008 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment
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From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. Barack Hussein Obama

From �Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.” Barack Hussein Obama

From Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE � some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” Barack Hussein Obama

From �Dreams Of My Father’, “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names” Barack Hussein Obama

“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.”

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By amunaor, March 16, 2008 at 11:26 pm Link to this comment

AMEN!!!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By kevin99999, March 16, 2008 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment
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I agree but I continue to be amazed at the hypocrisy of Obama supporters who are yelling like lunatics against Hillary because of the ugly comments made by Ferraro, going to the extent of calling her David Duke ignoring the fact Clinton was called the first black President. Yet the same people are very forgiving of the ugly sentiments by people in his corner. Idiotic blogs, like the HuffPost are screaming on top of their lungs and yet continues to censor readers’ comment who disagree disapprove their posts. And these are the hypocrites who used to speak about bias in the main stream media. I am no fan of mainstream media but compared to these liberal blogs they are much preferable and they do not engage, at least to the same extent, censoring readers’ comments .

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By heavyrunner, March 16, 2008 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

I found Pastor Wright’s sermon somewhat boring, like I do most sermons.

Most of what he said was old news.

“The country is run by rich white men.”  You didn’t know that?

“Jesus was a man of color.” Of course he was.

“Romans were white.”  What else is new?

The theatrical delivery is part of the black church.  So what?

Grow up.  Barak Obama didn’t say those things.  Pastor Wright did.

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By cyrena, March 16, 2008 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller,

You know what’s so sad about these folks, is that they don’t have a clue to what the hell they’re talking about, but because NONE of them know, they can just keep feeding each other the same way I’ve watched all of this petty stuff in other settings.

Samantha Powers is a brilliant author and journalist, and she really knows her stuff. And, I wouldn’t know that myself, if she didn’t happen to be an author that writes in my own field.

Just like I didn’t know that much about Wright, because religious organizations aren’t really my thing. My own familiarity with them is only at the intersection of where they meet in my own field, which is Law and Society, and more specifically Int’l Law and Human Rights.

However, over the past decade or so, that field has grown, if only because the incidents of human rights violations has grown, and just because of a sort of transition in the whole global legal order. It’s become obvious (especially since the Dick Bush regime) that there need to be more effective ways of holding these people responsible for these ‘crimes of crimes’ that they’ve perpetrated throughout the globe. I mean, the torture stuff alone is enough to bring the entire international legal community out of the woodwork.

Anyway, THAT is the only reason I am even familiar with Samantha Powers, and she’s been an excellent choice for Obama in the particular advisory capacity that she held.

And, what these narrow-minded and superficial people don’t get, is that chances are, Samantha Powers wasn’t collecting any huge some of money, (if any at all) in that work. She already HAS an established career!! Same with ZBig. They dogged him out as well, for being part of Obamas advisory team, and he’s top notch in his professional judgment. (Hillary tried her best to get him, but some people will NOT sacrifice their integrity for money or presumed power or influence). And, that’s the case with most professionals who are actually professionals and committed to their work. Yeah, people have to eat, but for them, it’s not about money and power.

Still, for the folks on this blog, you can easily see that because THEY are so focused on their own bitterness, or what THEY want (money, power, attention, etc) they just assume or suspect that the same selfish priorities belong to everyone else.  IOW, they ‘judge’ everyone else with the same SUSPICION of malicious intents that they harbor themselves.

I admit that it took me well into my adult life to figure this out. One day I was talking to my dad, and said basically the same thing, articulating it for the first time, (at least to him). I said, you know ‘he/she/it’ just ASSUMES that I’m thinking this way, or that way, or planning this thing, or the other thing, because…THAT’S WHAT THEY WOULD DO!!

My dad said, “Girl…are you just now figuring that out?” I had to laugh, because I guess I WAS just figuring it out.  I guess I SHOULD have recognized that before, but it’s just not my nature to ‘suspect’ people of malicious intentions, right off the bat. But then, maybe because I DON’T have them! So, it’s human nature I guess, and works on all ends.

Still, I have ALWAYS hated gossip, and I didn’t have to wait until I was an adult to develop that. And, I WILL speak up when I know somebody is just bad-mouthing something or someone, that they know absolutely nothing about.

Lies can be SO deadly, and when they are, they can be just as fatal to the ones spreading them, as are their intended targets.

Anyway, I don’t suspect that Rev. Wright or Samantha powers is going to go hungry. I DO believe that they represent a temporary loss to their respective efforts in the advisory capacities, but Obama has, at least to the extent that I know them, an excellent collection of some of the best minds.

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By cyrena, March 16, 2008 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

yrena states:  “I don’t believe that Obama will be hampered by the fact that one person on his committee has been forced to resign.”

One?????? At least 2. Have you forgoten Samatha Powers already?

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No bert, I hadn’t forgotten Samantha at all. Matter of fact, I’ve just finished reading two very excellent pieces of her work on Genocide, which I needed for a project of my own.

However, in my reply to zeitgeist, (and I’m certain he knew what I was talking about, even though you wouldn’t because you’re stupid) I was referring to THIS COMMITTEE:

“Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., stepped down Friday from the Illinois senator’s African American Religious Leadership Committee.”

Let me repeat this for you bert, (what DRUGS do you take?) I was referring to this committee..

THE AFRICAN AMERICAN RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE.

This is an important committee for people…humans. It addresses so many of the issues that are at the heart of the misery of the disenfranchised communities in this country, and if you had anything close to any sort of compassion or empathy, or even a general understanding of the elements of society, then you would understand how it is helpful not just to that particular Church or community, but to so many others throughout the country.

This is the type of committee or organization that millions of Americans rely on, because they get zero recognition from the government. Had you listened to anything more than what you wanted to hear from Wright’s comments, you might have been able to put that together.

Drug plagued communities, regardless of where they happen to be, are not a help to our society, and at the end, what happens in the decline of those parts of our society, affects us all. You wouldn’t get that either, because you’re just a bitter and self-centered individual. That much reads loudly and clearly enough, even if you are too intoxicated or outright psychotic to be able to spell correctly.

So, when I suggested that there were others who could effectively carry on this work, despite the resignation of Rev. Wright, common sense would suggest to a smarter person, that I was talking about this particular committee, which Samantha Powers was NOT involved in.

Her work in international law and the US participation in the combined efforts of the International Community in implementing the various treaties and conventions of international law have nothing to do with the committee to which Rev Wright was tasked.

Here’s a thought bert…a suggestion if you will. Take a break from your personal attacks on me, or what I post here. Just step back for a moment..take a rest, and occupy yourself in some other vein. In other words, get off my case bert.

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By cyrena, March 16, 2008 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

Zeitgeist,

I REMEMBER THIS!! I was just thinking about it the other day…

•  “She avoided it mostly because she repeated, ‘I do not recall,’ ‘I have no recollection,’ and ‘I don’t know’ 56 times under oath.”

Do you remember TravelGate?

I specifically reminded Maani of it not long ago, when he attacked some other poster, demanding to know what ‘proof’ there was that Hillary had ever caused anyone to lose their jobs.

So, I posted THAT bit of nastiness for him, only because he’d asked. And of course in our modern day and age, I was even able to direct him to the source. No response of course, but I wasn’t expecting one.

Anyway, thanks for this info. I remember most of this stuff. Thing is, it would never have come to light, (at least I don’t think most of this stuff would be coming to the ‘froth’ at this point), if Hillary had not chosen to indulge in such a super sleazy effort to demonize her opponent, and in such a low level gutterish way. I mean, I thought that ANYBODY could and would be an improvement over what we’ve been subjected to for the past 7 years, but with each passing day, she gets closer to the Dick Bush gutter.

So, you’re on the money again on this one:

•  “Together they paint a picture of a disturbing pattern of manipulation, deceit, and bad judgment that her conduct of this campaign confirms, yet grossly understates.”

It is her conduct on this campaign, that has really put the lid on it for her. And yes, it remains grossly unaddressed by the public at large, which is what’s so ironic about the complaints on Barack. It took Olbermann to finally get even the most tepid of responses from her, and I don’t think that’s really put a check on her at all. Rather, I just expect the attacks to become even more underhanded.

But, at the risk of repeating myself…desperate people do desperate things. Hillary never expected anything other than that she would be the candidate. It’s a built-in character (arrogance) of these people that never allows them to consider that others may have independent thoughts, and be able to make their own opinions.

It’s like, because this has always been HER PLAN, it was a ‘given’ that this would just be the way things worked out. I actually know a number of people like this. THEN, when something goes off plan, they have absolutely NO way to deal with it, because they’ve just ASSUMED all along, that they could CONTROL everything!!

That’s when they get desperate, and do desperate things.

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By joey, March 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment
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The election is spiraling down into hate .
Which side has the edge when it comes to hate?
Well the RNC did put in a G.W. Bush, a war criminal,  into office..
Yes but the DNC elected the first woman speaker.
The RNC has hate radio on their side with Limbaugh
Hannity and Savage who speak for millions of ditto heads.
The dems must find a way to win without a race to the bottom.

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By troublesum, March 16, 2008 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Zeitgeist for “Hillary"s Glass House.”  The Clintons’ Greek Corus here seems to be unaware of their record.  They like the Clintons because Rush Limbaugh doesn’t.  You forgot to mention that the reason the Clintons think of Reno as their worst mistake is because she gave Ken Starr the go ahead to investigate Clinton’s sex life.

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By JudyAnn Weddle, March 16, 2008 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment
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I have a question for Zeitgeist.  How long have you been a member of Rev. Wright church and how many of his sermons have you written.

Your feelings for our counrty are quite plain and you have very little pride or love for it.  You should be ashamed.

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By amunaor, March 16, 2008 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

What xenophobic, psycho-babble!

The people that ‘Fear’ their own shadows are the ones more suceptable to being duped.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Purple Girl, March 16, 2008 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

I find this ‘controversy ’ ridiculous. Esp in light of some of the crap Mac’s religious backers have spewed from the pulpit.
Frankly I think he was telling his congregation that the crimes committed around the world have been done by Inc’s wearing our Flag- thus we take the beating. Reminding them that We are a nation Of the People and By the people- keep an eye on your employees in ‘Public Service’ they are aiding those who are are Using our nmae and Symbols for their own gains- regardless of the Consequences. Being a citizen in a True Democracy requires you pay attention at all times- esp during times of Conflict. These Inc’s have caused far more problems for US ( Domestically & internationally) then they have benefited US, or any other country (except maybe the UAE- their financiers).And Yes they did cause the events of 9/11 by theri unethical business practices and World wide marketing Stratedgies. Indentured Slavery for the 21st century. Look what they’ve done to US over the last 7 yrs,hell the last 35 yrs.As Bill Cosby has said “e brought you into the World and we can take you Out"they have camoflagued themselves in our Fla and we are the ones who ultimately pay the price (money, reputation and blood)

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By amunaor, March 16, 2008 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

This similar rule should apply, just as vehemently, to Pat Robertson and his ilk. Bush has taken the opportunity to fill many positions, surrounding himself with these crusading troopers, coming out of Robertson’s, ‘neo-Christian Madrassas’.

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I don’t believe for a minute that Barack Obama believes in his heart the most extreme views of his pastor and spiritual advisor Rev. Jeremiah Wright. We should take Obama at his word when he distances himself from his pastor of 20 years until there is some proof otherwise. We should acknowledge that Obama donated over $20k to his church in 2007, but should not confuse this support with any beliefs that Obama may hold that the US government was responsible for the AIDS virus, that the government was responsible for the attacks of 9/11/01, or any of the racially divisive, hateful black-separatist language we’ve all seen from the Trinity Church of Christ on the news this week. There is no doubt that the experience of being an African-American, especially on the hard streets of Chicago’s south side, is more difficult than many of us could imagine. Therefore the Sunday sermons might be, understandably more supportive of an oppressed people. What is not difficult to believe is that Senator Obama had to have been aware of Reverend Wright’s more extreme views long before the rest of us were. Most people would expect a parent, upon hearing the angry, bigoted, hateful ranting of Rev. Wright to leap up out of his pew and head for the door while covering the ears of his baby girls. Why this didn’t happen on any given Sunday in the last twenty years remains a mystery to me. Obama insists that he never personally heard any of these harsh remarks in person, yet he must have been aware his pastor would be controversial or why else would the Obama for President Campaign first invite Rev. Wright to give the invocation at his presidential campaign launch, then reverse course and have Obama personally ask Wright to stay away? According to the New York Times Obama had to call Wright saying, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.” Clearly there was recognition over a year ago that the explosive sermons of the man who was the inspiration for Obama’s best-selling book, The Audacity of Hope might become an huge political liability. Obama spent Friday last off the campaign trail appearing on a long list of political television shows assuring the American people that he had no idea of these hateful sermons until just ‘recently’.  I have a very difficult time believing this, but am willing to reserve judgment.
This entire episode calls into question not only Obama’s judgment but his honesty as well. I for one am beginning to see a pattern of poor judgment from this self-described post-racial politician, a man who has assured us that, “Words matter. Speeches matter.”  I am wondering why it took the media so long to expose this story until Obama all but has clinched the nomination. I also would like to know why it is considered racist or bigoted to question anything about the Obama campaign. Should we not be allowed to ask even a single question about race in this historic election without being immediately labeled a racist by the Obama campaign? When Bill Clinton called Obama’s record on the Iraq war a ‘fairy tale’ he was immediately called a bigot and the media never questioned it. Why exactly? Did anyone bother ask what he meant by that? Did anyone bother give the former President of the United States and long time supporter of the black community the benefit of the doubt? I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter and yet I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I think his pastor has some extremely hateful views that Obama has assured us he doesn’t share, yet has depended on the good reverend’s support, credited Wright for bringing him to Christ, baptized the Obama children, inspired Obama’s book, supported Obama’s campaigns, campaigned for Obama from the pulpit, received thousands of dollars in donations, but never, ever, not even once did Obama sit through a racist, hateful sermon. I guess there’s no reason to believe otherwise, as far as I know.

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By amunaor, March 16, 2008 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

The entire list below represents historical facts that are not in dispute anywhere. So let’s think about the logic of those who would consider, even for a moment, bringing anyone associated with the Clintons back into the White House——-especially Hillary. Here is a PARTIAL list of her accomplishments, activities, and behavior during the past 15 years since they first ran for President in 1992:
•  As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would ‘demonize’ anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn’t even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)
•  Hillary also assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. The same Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as ‘my worst mistake.’
•  Hillary was also the person who recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier’s radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn….need more?
•  Hillary recommended three of her former law partners for Administration jobs: Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury Dept., respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster allegedly committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
•  Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene later confirmed in a 1996 Senate Judiciary Committee hearing both the drug use and Hillary’ s involvement in hiring Livingstone. As a result, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, which had previously served seven presidents for over thirty years without any such incident.)
•  In order to open ‘slots’ in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for gross mismanagement’ and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

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•  Another of Hillary’s assumed duties was directing the “bimbo eruption squad” and scandal defense. How competently did she perform? Just follow these dots: She is the one who urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. She also stubbornly refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill’s lying about and later admitting the affair. Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury. And Bill was impeached by the House. And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. She avoided it mostly because she repeated, ‘I do not recall,’ ‘I have no recollection,’ and ‘I don’t know’ 56 times under oath.
•  Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady’s role of decorator of the White House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, the First Lady’s Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists’ depictions of the theme, ‘The Twelve Days of Christmas.’
•  Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state where she had never lived. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother’s clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.
•  Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.
•  In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the “gender card” by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on a poor woman.
•  Hillary’s husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary’s correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)
•  As a Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.
•  Hillary’s one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since inexcusably, disavowed.

Together they paint a picture of a disturbing pattern of manipulation, deceit, and bad judgment that her conduct of this campaign confirms, yet grossly understates. Neither candidate is perfect. In fact very few human beings would stand up to such scrutiny without there being something unfavorable discovered. But for the Clinton’s, ‘vested interests’ ‘experience as usual’ cabal, to exploit and inflame the minds of the public with xenophobic terror in order to claim ‘entitlement’ to the throne, does nothing more than shed the light, revealing what cockroaches her cabal really are.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By KYJurisDoctor, March 16, 2008 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
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Anyone who is in favor of 100% of EVERYTHING your Pastor says or does, feel FREE to step up and throw that Biblical “first stone” at Obama!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/03/on-palm-sunday-jeremiahing-of-obama-is.html#links

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By bert, March 16, 2008 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Right, and yes I do. smile

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By Leefeller, March 16, 2008 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

That monster comment was over the top and you forgot, how can anyone forgets Samatha Powers. 

What ever happened to Frerrao with her heartwarming comments about Obama and Jessie Jackson? 

The correctness of the Olberman post, we must ignore that also, because he has an agenda that does not agree with everyone.

Now that the Republicans have taken over this post, I feel the need to detract from all this special bonding.

Let’s not talk about the war, that is not important, so focus on the NAFTA gate, real substance, we cannot ignore that one.

Wright the pastor, with his hate mongering sermons, wow, that is over the top. 

Obama is on a roll, and keep Washington as it has always been, support corporate interests.

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By bluej, March 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
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I SAY THAT BECAUSE REV. WRIGHT RESENTS ANGRY AMERICA
THEY ARE VOTERS   THE PRESIDENT MUST HEAR THEIR VOICES ALSO HE MUST HEAR ALL OUR VOICES! I KNOW MANY ANGRY AMERICANS BLACK AND WHITE.  THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I DONT HAVE FAITH IN CHURCHES.  MY FAITH LYES WITH GOD (OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN) AND MY SPIRITAL TEACHINGS LYE WITH JESUS. IT IS A SAD THING WHEN WE ASK OUR BRETHEN TO RENOUNCE OR DENOUNCE OR REJECT FRIENDS AND OTHERS. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT SHARE MY POINT OF VIEW BUT THEY ARE STILL MY FRIENDS. I DONT LIKE THEIR HATEFUL TALK BUT I WILL LISTEN AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.  SO WHEN I TALK KNOWING WHAT HATEFUL WORDS SOUND LIKE I DONT USE THEM. BUT YOU ARE STILL MY FRIEND (THAT IS WHAT IT IS TO BE A CHIRSTIAN FAITHFUL UNTO THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS).  WHAT PROFIT A MAN TO GAIN THE WORLD AND LOSE HIS SOUL. JUDGE NOT LEASE YE BE JUDGED IN THE SAME MEIRIT AS YOU HAVE JUDGED ANOTHER. TO ME THOSE ARE SCARY BUT TRUE WORDS.  NO I DO NOT THINK THAT THE DIRT FROM ANOTHERS MOUTH SHOULD PASS JUDGEMENT ON ME. BUT LET THE WORDS FROM MY MOUTH AND MY ACTIONS AND MY DEEDS PASS JUDGEMENT FOR ME.

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By Jenny, March 16, 2008 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment
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“... if I had thought that that was the message being promoted… within that church, I don’t think I could be a consistent part of it,” Obama says.  Groucho said it best when he muttered, “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.” 
Mr. Obama, how long have you been a member of this church?  20 years.  Have you been a consistent member?  Yes.  For twenty years?  Yes.  Do you know this preacher?  Is he a good friend?  Yes, he’s my spiritual leader.  Leader in a sense you follow him?  Yes.  Thank you, you may step down, that will be all…
How could Obama be a life-long member of this church, have his marriage blessed by and his children baptized by this “preacher” and not know what message he was preaching.  That’s like eating peanut butter for the last 20 years and not knowing it was made from peanuts.  Oh, really, well I guess I’m lucky I’m not allergic to peanuts.  Either Obama’s a liar, or he’s an idiot who doesn’t listen very well.  It’s hard to know who your enemies are when they are disguised in the cloak of religion and a suit/tie.  As a Caucasian, in-country veteran, I didn’t go to war to let this country be handed over to those who would harm our people (all Americans) and our land.  I find this preacher and Obama’s relationship disturbing if not despicable.  Bigotry and racism has nothing to do with freedom.  If Obama wins the nomination, I will vote for McCain.  I don’t trust Obama when he hides his connection to Mr. Wright (or, in this case Mr. Wrong), and divulges scant details when pressed.  The Obama camp is in quick redirection of fire: “What is Hilary trying to hide?”  Um, don’t know but couldn’t be BIGOTRY, RACISM or ANTI-AMERICAN sentiments like Obama’s church, could it?  Obama and his “spiritual leader,” who, in my opinion, is a disgrace to the US Marines, ought to think about whose tail they are stepping on.  My fellow vets and I will not be voting for the “Jane Fonda” of the 21st century.  I believe the facade has finally been cracked, and there will be more than just this revelation to Obama’s seedy side.  Better you keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re simple than open your mouth and let people know you’re a racist, bigoted, American-hating paper tiger.  Too good to be true; too ambiguous to be “found out.”  I’m coming to believe that many will find out they have been duped by this paper tiger.  BUT, the BEST PART of this SHOW is the how the “SUPER-DOOPER DELAGATES” appear now.  The SUPER-DOOPER DELEGATES have been supremely conned by Obama.  Can’t wait ‘till the “chickens come home to roost (see Malcolm X re: Kennedy Assassination)” during the elections for their political seats smile  Crash and burn and only the good die young.  “New Hope, Change we can believe in;” load of ground cover to hide the real agenda until the election is over.  You can bet that Obama will be concentrating on helping the Rev. (“G** D*** America”) Whites, Louis (“White people are potential humans.”) Farrakhans, Jesse (“Hymietown”) Jacksons, Al (“white interloper”) Sharptons, Malcolm (“The common enemy is the white man.”)  Xs gain prominence and reparation at the expense of the rest of the US population.  Indeed, calling 9/11 as a vengeance against America.  G/D America?!?!? (Kinda sounds like Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam or Osama bin Laden.)  Why doesn’t Rev. Idiot Wright and Obama go back to Kenya?  Maybe they won’t have to worry about 9/11 or God blessing America!  Obama, I have one thing to tell you:   
*Show me who your friends are, I’ll TELL you what you ARE.*  Oh, and BTW,... GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Typical cyrena, uhh, bert. Now you see the treachery and the deceit…..

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By ntc, March 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment
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No one is suggesting that we support McCain now.  You’re right to be pissed about McCain and Hagee.  I am too.  There is another choice and that choice is Clinton.  I’m officially off the Obama bandwagon.  Sorry, but I listened to this preacher, and you know what?  He believes that our government started the AIDS epidemic.  Plus, listening to the preacher gives me the distinct impression that he wouldn’t like me.  Because I’m white.  Obama went to his church for 20(!) years, and had him perform his marriage ceremony and baptise his kid.  Clearly, at some level, Obama supports what this guy’s peddling.  I live in North Carolina and we’re having our primary soon.  I won’t be voting for Obama.

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By bert, March 16, 2008 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

I get mad at the Dems quite a bit too. I just always remember what Will Rogers once said, “I don’t belong to any organized political party. I am a Democrat.”

I just keep telling myself that I have to remember what the stakes are this year. I don’t want 4 or 8 more years of a Bush surrogate. So I try to remember that one, we have to nominate a strong candidate, and two, we have to hang together or surely we shall all hang separately.

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By wk, March 16, 2008 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment
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Amen.

I just hope the media will dig into this and not burry it.  It seems that all the news stations are just avoiding it, and playing it down.  This was his mentor, his teacher, not just his preacher.  20 years of this kind of talk, has got to influence your judgement.  I think he is the enemy in disguised.  People can mask their hatred to get back at those they hate.  I fear life in US if he becomes President. I will vote for McCain before I vote for Obama and I don’t like McCain.

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By bert, March 16, 2008 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

Well said, Maani. I have included one of my favorite MLK quotes:

“We may have all come on different ships, but we’re in the same boat now.”

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By bert, March 16, 2008 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

I just posted 3 comments here at Truth Dig over at the Olbermann Ferraro Sounds Like David Duke video story RE; all the denials made by Obama and his campaign staff about NAFTA/Canada, including a timeline of the actual denials. You might want to check it out.

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By bert, March 16, 2008 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena states:    “I don’t believe that Obama will be hampered by the fact that one person on his committee has been forced to resign.”

One?????? At least 2. Have you forgoten Samatha Powers already?

Cyrena states:    “Now you see the treachery and the deceit in the fact that these are old sermons, and they were not what we can possibly call ‘public’ addresses, unless we really have long ago lost the concept of the separation of Church and State.”

They were still for sale on the church website which is where both ABC News and FOX bought them. Doesn’t get much more ‘public’ than that.

As for the separation between church and sate, I understand that since these tapes have shown up on TV the IRS may begin an inquiry into Rev. Wright’s Church. See, Cyrena, you cannot make political statements pro (for Obama) and con (against Hillary) and still maintain your tax exempy status. You can talk about issues (racisn, hunger, poverty, etc.) you can tell and remind people how important it is to vote.

But what you cannot do is advocate for or against any particular candidate as perhaps the good Rev. did. I will leave that determination to the IRS. If he and or his church is found guilty of this then that is a clear violation of separation of church and state

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By kevin99999, March 16, 2008 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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And what media extension of Obama like the moronic HuffPost that continue dishing out anti-Hillary rant by the minutes and refuse to print criticism of whatever garbage they print.  Are they taking a break too? For Oberman to compare Hillary to David Duke, give the kind relationship Clintons have had with the black community, just shows how stupidly absurd the liberals have become,

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By cyrena, March 16, 2008 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

zeitgeist,

Thanks for the excellent post!

As much as this so thoroughly disgusts me, I don’t believe that Obama will be hampered by the fact that one person on his committee has been forced to resign. The social justice agenda as embodied by Rev. Wright can just as easily be undertaken by any number of other intelligent and knowledgeable people, who can remain, (hopefully) out of target range.

What’s so very insidious about all of this is in part what you say about the truthfulness of the Rev. Wright’s statements, and how they’ve been used to actually perpetrate the very same deceit and treachery that he was addressing. Having been victimized in the same manner, and knowing it to happen to countless others, I can say that there really is no way of preparing against this.

In other words, he could have said “Mary Had a Little Lamb, Whose Fleece Was White As Snow”...blah, blah, blah, and they would have found something subversive or criminal in that.

Now you see the treachery and the deceit in the fact that these are old sermons, and they were not what we can possibly call ‘public’ addresses, unless we really have long ago lost the concept of the separation of Church and State.

The reality is that these comments were delivered in this Pastor’s CHURCH, to THAT Congregation! Talk about full blown fascism!! When you have some group of ANYBODY, taking sermons from a church worship service, (without permission of the members) and broadcasting them throughout the nation, (not to mention taking them totally out of context) there’s not much one can say about the criminality of that, and the fact that it reeks of the sort of thing that we would see in any other fascist regime that would attempt to pillory it’s self-determined ‘enemies’ in the public eye.

It tells us how far backwards we’ve fallen, to the times when anyone could be targeted, for any reason. Then again, those times really have never left us. It’s just that this brings them out and lets the world know, just how ugly we still are.

Ironically enough, the world already knows that. I came across this just the other day:

US Racial Discrimination Must Be Remedied, UN Says

  Monday 10 March 2008

  Post-Katrina housing rights violations also cited.

  On Friday, March 7, in Geneva, Switzerland, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination issued its Concluding Observations charging the U.S. to do more to remedy the effects of racial discrimination in housing and other areas.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031308C.shtml

This attack against Obama affects the entire community of his Church..each and every member, and those who orchestrated it couldn’t care less. If anything, it’s part of the whole package, serving more than just the intended destruction of Obama, but the terrorizing of an entire community.  I wonder if that won’t so totally backfire, as to eliminate the need for Obama to do any retaliatory swift-boating?

The small measure of idealism that I allow myself, (and the closest I guess I get to what others rely on as ‘faith’) allows me to see this as yet another event of the perpetrators cutting off their noses to spite their own faces. I have that kernel of faith in my fellow citizens, to see this for what it is.

Then again, most folks recognized that about the attacks on John Kerry, but it still cost him the election, and of course we’re all the worse for it now.

So, we’ll see. I too believe that Barack can and will spring-board off of this, and that it could in turn, bring more truth to light. If it does, than it will be yet another example of a ‘blessing in disguise.”

It is no doubt very difficult to see it that way now. But, having experienced something very similar, that DID in fact turn out to be very much a “blessing”..(again, as close as I can get to the religious thing).

So, I know that it IS possible.

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obama has to get out of the race. this is a 20 year intimate relationship with wright . to say he never heard or knew, how anti white, anti american,militant and hateful the “reverend” is, is a joke. the main stream media hid all of this and so did obama. we,ve all been duped! they should be ashamed.

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By A. Wolf, March 16, 2008 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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All this shows is that this is #2 for Senator Obama with bad judgment….......no change and probably worse than what we have now!

#1 - NAFTA/Canada
#2 - Minister Wright

We are judged by the company we keep.  No way to not have 20 years exposure to that racist talk without it rubbing off on Senator Obama.  To say not would be a lie.

He has claimed that he was not there when those sermons were done.  If pictures prove him not telling the truth I can only hope he will pull out of the race or the American people will give him a big ‘thumbs down’!

We do not need in the White House someone who has attempted to mislead the American people already with NAFTA/Canad.  That is no change from what we have right now.

We do not need someone who has lived a life making choices to be surrounded by and actively involved in a Church that professes Christianity on one hand and hatred on the other.  I am proud of our country…always have been…not of some of the leaders but of our country.  Since the Minister was unable to see the difference and insisted on USKKKA - perhaps he needs to reevaluate his statements because without the USA he would not have anyplace to speak his anger.

I hope the American people from here on out will not vote for Senator Obama.  I was a supporter of CHANGE…this guy now represents just more of the past!

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By Maani, March 16, 2008 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

Zeitgeist:

I completely agree that some (though certainly not all) of Wright’s comments “should provoke” us and that they “hurt” because “we are incapable of digesting them.”

But as I noted, there are ways to say things, and ways to say things.

Dr. King did not need to make his statements with a complete lack of tact and sensitivity for him to have an effect - indeed, FAR MORE of an effect than anything Wright has said, BECAUSE he is saying those things in a way that is an immediate turn-off, and shows a serious lack of understanding as to HOW one gets people to actually “listen” and “digest” maybe - just maybe - even ACT.

In this regard, Wright is his own worst enemy.  For someone who has such respect for Dr. King, he seems to have missed some important lessons, at least with regard to how to get broad POSITIVE reaction to social issues.  Instead, he allows his passions to govern him and overtake his reason and better judgment, apparently believing that “shock value” is an effective tool for change.  It is not - as Obama himself has shown during his campaign, which has been just about the opposite of “shock value.”

Again, moral outrage is a good thing.  But as Dr. King showed, there are better, more effective ways to express that outrage if what one is seeking is socio-political change.

Peace.

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By Grousefeather, March 16, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Next thing we know, for the sake of political expediency, black people will have to apologize for being decendents of slaves.

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By Leefeller, March 16, 2008 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Ignoring the truth is one thing, being ignorant of it is another. Seems we find plenty of both everywhere. 

zeitgeist most enlightening post.

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By mook, March 16, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment
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Sen Obama is going to the same church for last 20 years. He is saying that he denounced Mr. right but has not said that he denounced his preaching too. He may be believing same as mr. right and agree with GOD ??? America.

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By Gary Peterson, March 16, 2008 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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The day I turned 21, the only people who celebrated the occasion with me were a self-employed black man and his wife. They took me to Sir Rah’s House in Cleveland, Ohio. Mine was the only white face in the place. I have been forever grateful for that wonderful occasion, which was only a part of my continuing education about what it means to be black or different in America.

If there is to be a first (at least half) black president at all, the country and its voters will have to wrestle a lot this year with the issues of race. An honest reckoning will challenge blacks, whites, Hispanics, men, and women. It won’t be pretty. There will be firestorms—and the instant controversy about Obama’s pastor is merely one. Time will tell if it is the last one.

People upset with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright need to get a grip. As a gay man, I have heard and read the words of preachers, pastors, priests, bishops, and even the current pope in his prior role of cardinal. Regularly, their words damn or consign me, and others like me, to hell. Many of them want me dead. Some of them are supporting Sen. McCain. Where is your outrage and indignation about that?

What was that? You never heard such words in church or anywhere else? Incredible! But that must explain, then, why you never said or did anything about them.

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By mitt, March 16, 2008 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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If people don’t believe Barack Hussein Obama has not heard all this before 20 years of hate and racism and stayed in the church then I have a bridge or two I want to sell you.
Its not just his minister that has turned me off, but now admitting to the fact Rezko gave Obama $200,000 then has the audcity to say he never ask for favors and asks us to believe him. The Canadian deal where Obama DENIED it happened (it happened).  So what makes you think anything else that comes out of his mouth is not a lie.  In my book he needs to step down.  NOW !!
This isn’t the end there will be MORE !!!

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By amunaor, March 16, 2008 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Many of the words in the Rev. Jeremiah’s ‘out of context’, rhetoric should provoke all American flavors and skin colors into self examination. America is certainly not shameless, squeaky snow-white clean, nor without error. Yes we did incinerate the population centers of both Nagasaki and Hiroshima without blinking an eye; through treachery, bribery and deceit we swindled and slaughtered the indigenous population of the land we now occupy; currently, we find ourselves in the midst of an illicit war for plunder, etc., etc. When a Great Light is turned into darkness, it can be very dark indeed.
That’s why the words falling from Jeremiah’s frantic lips hurt so much, because, subconsciously, we all know them to be true, but we are incapable of digesting them.

Sean Hannity, along with his ‘Fixed News’ cabal associates, demonstrate and pander to that segment of the xenophobic, Pat Robertson-Falwel, population, who are obviously incapable of such introspection. Hannity exalts his, self-righteous, crusading Christian credentials and spews venomous divisive rhetoric; assumes that since his white god has the bigger stockpile of WMD, having the bigger club, makes him right. What self-righteous-hypocrits! Obama should ‘Swift-Boot’ them all!


They certainly have made this arena toxic for Obama. But, I am confidant, Barack can, and will spring-board off this flaming issue and open it for a much wider discussion, turning it into a plus.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 16, 2008 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

“Wright is toxic.  Not specifically because of some of his beliefs, but because of the way he expresses them…

The Reverend Wright is an ex-Marine, Maani, just like our very own MikeMidCity blogger on Truthdig, uhh…...

No no no
You don’t love me
and I know now

Coz you left me
Baby
And I got no place to go now

No no no
I’d do anything to stay boy

Coz if you asked me… Baby
I’ll get on my knees and pray boy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGdjzs7TTM&feature=related

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By joey, March 16, 2008 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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John McCain is shown kissing Jerry farwell , George W Bush , Huckabe, and Rev. Senior Frog , without a immune system, and no one says a thing. Obama has a old tape of his old minister surface and Fox TV goes into a screaming fit.

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By Leefeller, March 16, 2008 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

Nice news for Hillary.  Disguising truth is what many people prefer, for they will not accept the truth.  What Wright had to say is true, how he said it makes many uncomfortable and is very hard for many to digest, while watching their “American Idol”.

We are doomed to continue as we have.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 16, 2008 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Rev. Wright is more or less white anyway, JP, uhh…..

Oops, I’m not supposed to say that now, am I…...???

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By Maani, March 16, 2008 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

JS:

“I cannot help but think of all the raving lunatics that have served as “spiritual advisers” to white politicians.  In America, it is ok for someone to blame 9/11 on the fags and abortionists.  In America, it is ok for someone to call for crusades against whole religions and suggest that other religions worship Satan.  In America, it is ok for someone to call for the assassination of foreign leaders.  All of this is ok, if you’re white.”

I don’t think that is true.  While I fulla gree with you re the substance of Falwell’s comments, ost people also found them repugnant, and excoriated him for them.  And I don’t think he was ever formally associated with any campaign (i.e., Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2) or even a “spiritual advisor” to any of them.  However, even if he was, it should not surprise you that they would not repudiate him, given who THEY are.  At least it speaks well of Obama that he did (albeit later in the game than he should have).

Wright is toxic.  Not specifically because of some of his beliefs, but because of the way he expresses them: moral outrage is fine, and there are times when one SHOULD speak plainly.  But there are also times when tact and sensitivity should be used, and Wright clearly does not know the difference.

He is also toxic (as someone else pointed out) in the association that now exists between OBama and Wright; i.e., how that association will be used by the right wing to “swift-boat” Obama.  As someone pointed out, one can already imagine the ad.  Obama with his arm around Wright, with a deep, scary voice repeating some of Wright’s more outrageous comments.

This is bad news for an Obama candidacy.

Peace.

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By Expat, March 16, 2008 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Ten little aides in a row…one by one they all go down one by one.  God, what a bloody mess as they all fall on their swords like the good little vassals they are, one by one.  Does anyone else see this insanity?  If I were McCain I would be thanking almighty god and laughing my ass off!  On his side of the contest all is well.

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By jackpine savage, March 16, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

I cannot help but think of all the raving lunatics that have served as “spiritual advisers” to white politicians.  In America, it is ok for someone to blame 9/11 on the fags and abortionists.  In America, it is ok for someone to call for crusades against whole religions and suggest that other religions worship Satan.  In America, it is ok for someone to call for the assassination of foreign leaders.  All of this is ok, if you’re white.

Like Chris Rock said, “If it’s all white, it’s alright.”

(this is not to suggest that Rev. Wright is ok by me…only to point out some good ole American hypocrisy)

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