Ah geeze…

Can we move on now? Everybody wants to know why his wife stays with him. I don’t know. After this, maybe she won’t. But some of the reasons that wives stay with their husbands is because they couldn’t otherwise survive. How many of them can work and support kids?

If it was me, yeah...I’d split and take a dishwashing job if need be. But, who knows about others? We don’t.

It was extraordinarily cowardly to have his wife with him in the press conference, when he should have had the guts to stand up there by himself. But then, it’s really all relative isn’t it? George W. Bush couldn’t face the 9/11 inquiry without Cheney there to hold his hand.

Meantime, everybody is all distracted by this, and it’s pretty amazing that the Cabal in charge of the world can commit every crime in the book over the past 7 years, and there they still sit, impunity as their stock in trade.

I don’t care about the divorce rate, I care about the death rate, which is HIGHER than the divorce rate.

Can we move on? There’s still the war, and all of the other crimes in progress…

You’re right the divorce rate is high because no one takes marriage vows very seriously. BUT most of those divorces occur within the first two years of marriage. I think that’s a little different than being married for more than 15 years and finding out that your husband had been seeing prostitutes for the last six.
To just stand by his side in public and not say anything when you have three teenage daughters at home is just sad.

FLASH!

Spitzer Sting: Political Payback?

There are some aspects of the ongoing revelations about Spitzer’s connection to a prostitution ring that have become troublesome to many people, and may lead to “political payback” at the highest levels of government - FEDERAL government.

The investigation began some months ago when a bank reported to the IRS that someone was moving certain sums of money in a suspicious manner.  The sums were somewhat less than $5,000.  However, banks are not required to report suspicious transactions of less than $10,000.  In addition, even in THIS case it is usually INCOMING sums, NOT outgoing ones that are investigated.  As well, given the minimal amounts, why did the bank not simply inform Spitzer, who was, after all, not simply the governor but a major long-time client of the bank?  Why, as one person put it, did the bank and IRS “go to DEFCON 4” over sums of less than $5,000?

As well, for some reason, “Client 9” has FAR more mentions in the formal IRS “Complaint” than any of the others: over 50, compared with less than 20 for most of the other “clients.” Yet the number of transfers of money made during the period of the investigation shows that Spitzer probably engaged in the illegal activities perhaps half a dozen to maybe a dozen times.  Why the outsized number of mentions in the Complaint?

Finally, there are some serious “connections” here.  The agent in charge of the IRS operation, Mike Garcia, is a long-time friend and former colleague of Michael Chertoff.  Even more interesting is the following.

As we know, one of Spitzer’s “claims to fame” was his “take-down” of certain Wall Street firms, costing them enormous amounts of money in fines, plus jail for some of their employees.  One of the hardest hit was Goldman Sachs.

Guess who was chairman of GS during this time?  None other than Henry Paulson, who is now...Secretary of the Treasury, under which the IRS falls.

Could this investigation be “political payback” - and reach all the way up to the Secretary of the Treasury?  Would ANYTHING about this administration surprise us?

Stay tuned.  And watch the Net: stories of this type are appearing rapidly.

Peace.

I must admit to being absolutely floored by the number of people, both women and men, who question why women whose husbands have been found to have committed adultery (whether with mistresses, prostitutes or other) remain with their husbands.

Let me ask you this:

What part of “for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health” didn’t you understand when you took your marriage vows?  Or are those just “pretty words” to say?

Call me old-fashioned, but I always thought it showed TRUE commitment to a marriage that a woman (or man) would choose to stay in the marriage and try to work through the problems that occur, and NOT just give up on the spouse and leave.

No wonder the U.S. divorce rate is so high: no one takes marriage vows very seriously.  How sad.

Peace.

I saw Spitzer’s H.S. yearbook and it had a quote “The worst thing about political jokes is that some of them get elected.”. hilarious huh?
I also agree with an opinion i read about Silda Spitzer. Why does she stay with him? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-ephron/im-keeping-th e-house_b_90805.html

**Blackspeare <Wait a minute----it’s not Spitzer’s fault.  NYC’s water has been reported to contain small amounts of proprietary and ethical drugs.>

I agree! But, then again, this entire drama demonstrates exactly the diminished gutter mentality of the U.S. government, who prioritize the depravity of a blowjob into an impeachable offense, while the criminal atrocities of a mass murdering emperor and his psychotic cabal remain untouchable. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

At least Eliot Spitzer is braver than GWB and Cheney because these two haven’t never been accepted their failures during their tenure as Emperor and Vice-Emperor. Politicians and prostitutes are in the same boat !

Wait a minute----it’s not Spitzer’s fault.  NYC’s water has been reported to contain small amounts of proprietary and ethical drugs.  It’s likely that by drinking the tap water Spitzer got an over dose of “Love Potion No.9!”

Speaking of 9----who are the first 8 clients????

And since Spitzer gave Kristen extra money on the account for the next rendezvous, will he now get a refund????

DK:

“I don’t trust the morality of poeple who cheat in their marriages, no matter how they justify or rationalize it, and, therefore, I don’t trust them in office.”

What you mean is “I don’t trust the morality of people who cheat in their marriages” THAT I KNOW ABOUT.

That is, how many politicans who we accept were “good” (i.e., did good things for the people etc.) may have cheated on their wives - but we simply did not know about it?  We may venerate politicians, yet not know that they had cheated on their wives - or worse.  Heck, Obama has been compared to JFK, of all people - not exactly a paragon of fidelity.

So that are you really saying?  Can you REALLY make a connection between someone’s personal foibles and their competence at their job?  If this were the case, a good 1/2 of the U.S. workforce would have to be fired - both genders, all races, all religions, at every level.

Peace.

Get real, Davy. Republicans have the same problem . Newt Gingrich anyone?

Lenny - Whay’s your point here? That getting caught with a woman having sex is somethong only Dems engage in? Or os it that men getting caught soliciiting sex with another man is uniquely Republican?

Both of those statements are wrong headed.

People are complicated and sex plays a major role in our lives. In Europe this would be no major issues. It is time Americans grow up in this regard and shed our Puritan mindset.

First, I think Spitzers admission in front of the press was coward.  Listen to it again and think not about what he said, but what he didn’t say.  What do you think his wife was thinking standing there?  I know what I would have been thinking.  He’s a master of words and equivocating.

Second, where do you think unprincipled, immorally behaving people draw the line for themselves?  Is it o.k. to cheat on your wife and family but you’d never ever, not in a million years or for a million dollars do that on your job or to your citizens? 

I don’t trust the morality of poeple who cheat in their marriages, no matter how they justify or rationalize it, and, therefore, I don’t trust them in office. 

Half a century ago Rhett Butler said “damn” on screen.  Now you hear just about every four letter word imaginable and it’s accepted.  If you and people who agree with you think you can separate, as Spitzer did in his somber, cougareous admission, the politition and the individual (that SOB), then you go right ahead.  Pretty soon, there’ll be sex acts on the front steps of the white house and state capitols, and in your minds, by moral, principled people.  Bull Shit!

When Spitzer was caught with the prostitute with his pants down, he was asked, What are you upto?................His answer.....I am testing Einstein, “Big Bang Theory.”

This line from one of the articles in the NYT jumped out at me:

“‘News that Eliot Spitzer was likely involved with a prostitution ring and his refusal to deny it leads to one inescapable conclusion,’ said the Republican leader in the Assembly, James N. Tedisco. ‘He has disgraced his office and the entire state of New York.’”

Is he suggesting that Spitzer SHOULD have denied it, even though it is true?  And by extension, is he suggesting that he (or indeed any Republican) WOULD have denied it, even though it is true?  This says an awful lot about how Republicans (or at least this one) handle these situations - LIE - while Spitzer at least had the honesty and decency to admit his error immediately, and in the most unflinching terms.

At very least, since we KNOW that politicians often lie - particularly when caught in these kinds of situations - he deserves credit for not doing so.

As well, I do not see how this should lead inexorably to his resignation.  I do not think that BC’s extramarital sex had one iota to do with his competence or abilities as president (though, of course, his lying about it and the subsequent impeachment hearings led to a lame-duck second term - though due almost solely to the incessant hounding of the right wing), and I don’t think that Spitzer’s extramarital sex has one iota to do with his competence or abilities as governor.  Yes, he is a hypocrite for having prosecuted prostitution rings while he was availing himself of high-class call girls, and he owes an additional apology to anyone he helped jail in that regard.  But since when has hypocrisy ever been a stumbling block to elected office, or a reason for resiging from one?

Peace.

I’m with Dr. Knowit…

First, there is no such thing as a victimless crime, because if there was, it wouldn’t be a crime.

It’s also totally irrational to compare it to smoking marijuana as a ‘victimless’ crime. It’s also deceptive to slander with innuendo by suggesting this:

“.. Barack Obama, we gather, will have no problem, as President, prosecuting young college kids for smoking marijuana--something he admits he did at that age.”

NO Paolo, we DON’T ‘gather’ that Obama would do any such thing, so why would you even say that?

Presidents don’t ‘prosecute’ anybody any damn way. The justice department decides who to prosecute, and despite the fact that marijuana has long ago been legalized in the state of California, the feds swoop down on crops and farmers everyday, destroying their crops and arresting farmers who are often Native Americans growing HEMP for it’s multiple purposes, and because it’s the only way for them to earn a survival. And, 14 tons of hemp doesn’t have enough THC in it to get an infant high.

That’s not to say that the same thing doesn’t happen to those who are legally growing marijuana, and it’s been happening since the Cabal high-jacked the country.

However, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to suggest or even hint that the same atrocities would be tolerated in a Barack Obama administration. He’s a civil rights attorney, not a prosecutor. If he had time to do any ‘lawyering’ as President, he would be representing those who had been harassed by the Feds, NOT the prosecution.

So, if this is what you ‘gather’, STOP gathering, because it’s a poisonous collection designed to create false impressions.  You are also ‘gathering’ that there’s even the slightest possibility that Obama would be as hypocritical as Spizer has shown himself to be, which is the real ‘crime’ here, and it’s an unwarranted attack.

It’s also not about a single act of consensual sex between him and another person for money. It’s the whole “Emperor’s Club” thing, and everything that he did to cover his prevented psychopathic tracks.
Here’s what the booker told the prostitute about Gov. Client-9

“…“Kristen” spoke with a Emperors Club booker, who said that she had been told that Client-9 “would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe...”

Now exactly what ‘unsafe’ things might those be? Still think that’s ‘victimless’?

Common thread my ass.

Meanwhile, Ms. Kern the congresswoman from Oklahoma, (no surprise here) thinks that homosexuality is the worst plague of the planet.

I think everybody has pretty much lost their damn minds!!

as long as he didn’t hound other goat f’ers into prison

I don’t insist on sin-free politicians--we’ve rarely had them anyway

Breaking News--all people make mistakes; politicians are people; politcians make mistakes

just don’t be a hypocrite about it

there’s nothing wrong with smoking pot or having sex with adults perhaps if bush took up pot, we wouldn’t be in iraq today

but there is something wrong in pretending you are god and condemning people who do as you do

Let’s hope he releases all those people from jail who committed the same crime he’s not supposed to be punished for

another paris hilton

if i’d been his wife, i’d tell him to stand before the press all by himself like a big boy

I should have added - expect more of the same, especially in this Presidential election year. This is the evil genius of Karl Rove at work. Smear the Democrats any which way you can.

This is what the U.S Attorney firings was all about. The Bush Justice Department will spare no expense and no time to expose Democratic politicians who break the law. First Don Siegleman, AL Govenor and now Spitzer, NY Governor. This is the result of politicizing the Justice Department. A sad day for America.

There will be many people who will be hurt by this, his wife, his children, the people of New York,and Mr. Spitzer most of all.

and for what?

Eventually, those others will go on and recover, and Mr. Spitzer will have only himself to live with. In time, and with penance, Mr. Spitzer can be redeemed. And more importantly he will be forgiven. After he has tasted their anger for along time. 

Hopefully, now is the time to be honest with everyone but most of all himself about what happened. 

Marriage can be a kind of celibacy, and for many it can be just as dificult and trying, as the real thing.

But I don’t think it’s time to pass judgement, just yet.

Clinton almost got impeached for getting it for free, of course that depends on what you mean by sex.  All this time I thought the Republicans were mad at Clinton because they had to pay for it.  Now it’s the Dems too, what is this world coming to?

Ahh, myopic, my friend. That son of a bitch cheated on his wife and betrayed his children.  That makes them victims.  Victimless crime is an oxymoron. 

In my book, he’s a stinking rich asshole in public office and one of the things wrong with our government is that there are way too many of that type “serving the public.” Serving the public my ass!

I hope his wife takes him to divorce court and sticks it to him real good.  He’s a WORM!

Ever heard of Kwame Kilpatrick?  Look him up.  Another asshole.

One thing they have in common is that they somehow got their wives to stand up beside them during their public confessions of being assholes.  They probably cried like the little boys they are for being caught.  Boo Hoo, will you please stay by me while I do this?  Boo Hoo.

Not a libertarian Paolo but I’ve got to agree with you on this. Where have the “wars” on these various crimes led? Nowhere. We’ve been pissing money away trying to control the uncontrollable.

The harm Spitzer did was to others he hounded throughout his hypocritical career. The hounding should not stop now; he should be chased from office.

Not a big deal !

Eliot Spitzer apparently had no moral qualms about prosecuting people for prostitution, an activity he himself engaged in.

Barack Obama, we gather, will have no problem, as President, prosecuting young college kids for smoking marijuana--something he admits he did at that age.

The common thread? Both are VICTIMLESS CRIMES.

As a libertarian, I believe no one should be prosecuted for victimless crimes. Barack Obama harmed no one when he smoked marijuana. Eliot Spitzer harmed no one when he visited prostitutes.

Please don’t bore me with protestations that Obama or Spitzer “harmed his family.” That is his personal concern; it ought not be the concern of the government. You can argue forever whether these two men made poor personal decisions. But the criminal law should only deal with issues of force or fraud, not “bad decisions.”