CY:

“BAA HAA HA HA HAhaha…Sorry Maani that was funny… no prejudice in favor of Hill the business shill… Ha ha.”

I did not say I did not have a preference (call it prejudice, if you must) in favor of Hillary POLITICALLY.  What I said was that my personal understanding of their respective faith - based on what I have both read and heard from them - is that Hillary’s is more “genuine” (a word I used loosely) and comfortable, and that my feeling was arrived at prior to my supporting Hillary.  However, I did not make my decision to suport Hillary based on her faith.

Peace.

Posts after me heart.

Good question!  My answer is, you can’t. 

To take it to the hilt, how can one who thinks as you do even live in this country.  Isn’t it conflicting? 

I think quite a bit about getting out of here.  I can’t abide the highpockracey. (Still don’t know how to spell Heighpockricey.)  If Christians would just shut up and stay out of my government, I might reconsider. Better yet, take their belief into the underground, i.e., pray in their closets like Jesus said they should.  He is reputed to not have liked showey, arrogant practioners of his beliefs.

Yes, this is wise, DC. The highest spiritual truth I know is this: forgive others. That, I think, is what Jesus means by “love your enemies,” which is the essence of Christianity. You forgive your enemies—and thus, yourself—because it’s impossible to free your spirit and open your heart to all without taking that step. As the psychologist Abraham Maslow observed, the fully realized man no longer identifies with the local group. And that opening of the heart is what’s known in various religions as the Virgin birth; the birth of a fully human consciousness out of what was before a mere manimal. That IS the “born again” experience.

No need to be so harsh on Hillary, jatihoon…...

Q: In terms of forgiveness for you, is there, for lack of a better word, a simplicity to forgiveness…

Senator Clinton: Oh, no. Oh my gosh. Are you kidding? It’s the hardest thing in the world.

... I’ve had a lot of time to think about it over the years. It is both hard to forgive and to ask for forgiveness. There’s a reason that it is talked about in the Bible. It is really hard. It is hard for people to let go of legitimate hurts and slights and disappointments. It is human nature to look for people to put that onto, to blame. You look around the world today and you think, the whole idea of the new covenant was really a new relationship with God, a sense that we could be forgiven, that we could seek both personally and through our relationships with others that gift of forgiveness. It’s instrumental. It’s instrumental in life, it’s instrumental in how you think about yourself. I used to teach a Sunday school lesson about how you had to forgive yourself. We all have things that often times we’re upset about, or ashamed of, or feel guilty over, and so many people carry these enormous burdens around. And, I think that one of the great gifts of faith is to let it go. It doesn’t mean that you forget, you don’t have to make amends, but you begin to forgive yourself and you then can begin to forgive others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/us/politics/07clinton-text.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Hilary Clinton belive in Father, Son and holy shit and she has felt the presence of holy shit on many occasions in her years in white house, before she saw and met the devil, and said"HOLY SHIT,WHO IS THIS GUY OBAMA.” AMEN

^ American theocracy.  Get used to it; it is the thing that will define us.  Over my dead fucking body!!!!

^ chuckle of the evening.  Yes, we have in fact fallen far.  Just make sure this on going shit doesn’t drag us down with it.  There is life beyond this garbage.

Well, all I’ve got to say is, just watch for the stacks of waffles and piles of fudge they start serving up after inaugeration day. Hope you have a sweet tooth. Oh, and all for the sake of a vicious imperialist crusade for oil that dare not speak its name. “We’re” not only borrowing all the money for this Exxon-Mobil extravaganza, we can’t even service the debt we’re hanging around our children’s and their childrens’ necks like a dead and stinking albatross, so we’re paying interest on the interest. They used to sprinkle a little dirt on the coffins of the fine young men and women cut down in their country’s service before planting them. Now they just pour a quart of 10-W-30 on it. Rest in Pieces.

Obama has no intention of ever fighting in any wars himself but he doesn’t mind sending your kids off to die in wars that are either (a) “just”, or (b) not “dumb”.

Hillary won’t be fighting in any wars herslef either but at least she acknowledges that she has to face the wives and mothers and families of deceased and injured servicemen, uhh.

Obama wants to extend the Iraq/Afghan war into Pakistan. Hillarywants to focus on a political solution and “bringing the troops home”. None of it has to do with “faith” but REALITY instead.

Our first President was a dope smoking Freemason, who held Isis and Reason in the highest regard.

Oh, how far we have fallen.

From youre link, Maani… re the interview with Edwards, Clinton and Obama….. THE SITUATION ROOM - Special Edition: Sojourners Presidential Forum http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/04/sitroom.03.html

O’BRIEN: ....Do you think that God takes sides in a war? For example, in the war on terror, is God on the side of U.S. troops, would you say?
OBAMA: ...I always remember Abraham Lincoln, when, during the Civil War, he said, “We shouldn’t be asking whose side God is on, but whether we’re on his side.” And I think that’s the question that all of us have to ask ourselves during any battle that’s taking place, whether it’s political or military, is, are we following his dictates? Are we advancing the causes of justice and freedom? ......there have been times in our history where that requires that we take up arms. I think that the Civil War was a just war…

Can you imagine that any civil war is ever “a just war”? No - only if it involves liberating a few black slaves - in the mind of a black man, uhh. It was a power grab and a land grab (‘carpetbaggers’ exploiting an opportunity dirt cheap) which could have been avoided and the slavery ended in other more peaceful ways.

OBAMA: Are we our brother’s keeper, our sister’s keeper? And that’s how I measure whether what we’re doing is right…

Yes, Obama’s “the crucible of the sword”  again - sacrificing the lives of white men and destroying their families was “just” -  for a black man’s view of a history he didn’t have to participate in.

O’BRIEN: The president talks a lot, as you know, about sort of good versus evil in war. Do you agree with that?
OBAMA: Well, I do think there’s evil in the world. I think that, when planes crash into buildings and kill innocents, there’s evil there. I think violence and cruelty, wherever it’s perpetrated, expresses evil in the world. And I think that all of us have an obligation to speak to that and act against that forcefully….

So that means it is all right to bomb innocent villagers in rural Pakistan and to eventually extend the war in Afghanistan into Pakistan - so that the USA can remain ther for another 100 years (or until the oil runs out).

OBAMA: What was also interesting about Lincoln, though, during the course of the Civil War, was his recognition that simply because we’ve engaged in something just doesn’t mean that there aren’t times where we may act unjustly. Abu Ghraib obviously is something that all of us should be ashamed for, even if you were supportive of a war. I believe Guantanamo, the decision to detain people without charges, is unjust. And so the danger of using good versus evil in the context of war is it may lead us to be not as critical as we should be about our own actions.