‘Israelis won’t negotiate on the flowers to be used at their funeral’ http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/39Israelis-won39t—negotiate-on.3854369.jp

ISRAEL yesterday defended its blockade of Gaza as it began a lobbying campaign in Scotland, claiming the effect on inhabitants of the troubled zone was no worse than the plight of German civilians during British bombings in the Second World War.

Its ambassador, Ron Prosor, said Israel was “a democracy under fire”...... His comments came after more than 20 Jews from Scottish Jews for a Just Peace signed a letter calling on Israel to enter ceasefire talks with Hamas. Mr Prosor angrily rejected their call, describing those who believed in negotiations with Hamas as “smartarses”....

The students WEREN’T unarmed…... so typical of Israeli “settlers”:-

One of the students, Yitzhak Dadon, reportedly shot the gunman twice before he was finally killed by an off-duty Israeli army officer, who had gone to the school after hearing gunfire.

“I shot him twice in the head,” he told the Reuters news agency. “He started to sway and then someone else with a rifle fired at him, and he died.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7282269.stm

Well said, Lefty !

I don’t think we gave supplies and food to the Germans and the Japanese when they declared war on us and we went off to battle.

Let Egypt, Jordan (which is 85% palestinian already ),Iran, Saudi Abrabia, or Morocco take care of this wefare state called Gaza.  Israel left 2 years ago. Certainly they do not want to go back all the time except that wackos send rockets, not workers into Israel. So they are forced to return.
Maybe the European Union will take full responsibility.  Good idea, except that the Gazans are brothers to Egypt.  So Egypt is the best idea yet. Shucks, they ruled it as part of their country until 1967 !!

Lefty, as I’ve pointed out before, you are a rabid Zionist scumsucker.  Try to pay attention.

Gotta get you some pom-poms

Didn’t some crazy American jew go into a Mosque a few years ago and machine gun a bunch of Muslims?

I’ll bet you have his picture in your wallet.

Deserving - Palestinians, who by virtue of their acts against israeli innocents deserve a violent death.  Fair is Fair.

P.T you are speading lies and this is a perfect example:

Reuters translated the Hebrew word ‘shoah’ as ‘holocaust’. But ‘shoah’ merely means disaster. In Hebrew, the word ‘shoah’ is never used to mean ‘holocaust’ or ‘genocide’ because of the acute historical resonance. The word ‘Hashoah’ alone means ‘the Holocaust’ and ‘retzach am’ means ‘genocide’. The well-known Hebrew construction used by Vilnai used merely means ‘bringing disaster on themselves’

Unreal your inane comment. A seminary and you know all the details of what it is ?  Like a seminary anywhere its full of innocent young people, but you have the knowledge to accuse it something else very dark. Imagine.  Some kind of compassion you exhibit.

And then to call this shooter doing something self-defense?  Speaks volumes of what kind of person you are.

Always bringing a mans balls into question, Lil you have an unhealthy obsession. 

I think you phoney outrage against those settler provocateurs getting off’d is amusing. 

Anyone willing to give their life to further their people in defense or attack have a set of brass balls (or bra’s) that you wish you had.

Chosen my ass.

Go here and see:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Deadly-shooting-Jerusalem-school/ss/events/wl/030608israelschool/s:/ap/20080307/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_ylt=A0WTUd8ildBHW10B6BIUewgF#photoViewer=/080306/ids_photos_wl/r1110483558.jpg

This is what “Palestinian” Arabs do to unarmed Jewish kids studying in school.

GAZA DELENDA EST

Too bad for us that you don’t have the guts to take on Hezbollah. 

is that the Israelis , with great care to avoid civilian casualties, go after gun crews and militants and demented wackos shooting rockets and mortars indiscrimiately onto onto civilians. And these crews and armed thugs then hide behind their own people and in their neighbors’ homes.

  And the Hamas government promotes all this indiscrimate bombing and rockets of civilians; just like the crazy one who entered a school in Israel on purpose, on purpose, to kill childeren.

Now to see these Gazans celebrating these murders on our national tv tonite, just like after 9/11, certainly puts things in their proper light.

“He’s on the payroll.”

And how much are David Duke and The American Nazi Party paying you?

Not enough, apparently - you still haven’t gotten your hands dirty trying to kill a Jew yourself.

You call Palestinians arabs, however they are semites like you, like it or not.  These different “tribes” of the same race have had blood feuds going for milennia.  Just another reason for America to stay out of this family mess.

PT the Nazi always has an excuse for Arabs to kill Jews wherever and whenever they can.

Too bad for him he doesn’t have the testicles to go and try it himself.

You haven’t been paying attention.  As I’ve said before, Mubarak is a stooge.  He’s on the payroll.

The “seminary” where the shooting took place is a hotbed of Zionist terrorist and settler activity.  The indigenous Palestinian people have a right to defend themselves.

VT, Columbine, Northern Illinois University, etc. the U.S. continues to have its share of these type tragedies.

The difference is, Israel has killed over 100 Palestinians, some deserving, but with alot of innocent deaths stacking up, revenge was inevitable.

They were targeted for a reason.

BBC

“The Mercaz Harav seminary is a well-known centre for Jewish studies and most students are aged between 18 and 30. It is said to be associated with the leadership of the Jewish settler movement in the West Bank”.

Hamas praise

In the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, gunmen fired into the air after news broke about the attack. A loudspeaker in Gaza City reportedly broadcast the message: “This is God’s vengeance”.

Like no one could see this comming.

Gallup.

Ever heard of them?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104734/Americans-Most-Least-Favored-Nations.aspx

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Just goes to show just how ignorant Douglas is on this subject. Fair to say that you have disqualified yourself on anything to deal with this region and the issues being faced.

Thought you had to prepare for your next comet to hook up with the mother ship anyway. You’re better off spending you time on that nonsense instead of writing here and pretending you know a single thing about what is going on.

You sure do lie.  Click http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=132

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Incapable of dealing with the truth… so sad.

Amnesty International?!?!?!?! Tell you what is going on “over there” ??????

Are you insane or just incredible naive?

Only thing they can tell you is what is on their political agenda.

Actually, you have it completely backwards.

This is Islamic fascist Nazi thinking. They are the only ones you hear calling for the murder and Israeli genocide. They are the ones sending homicide bombers. They are the ones intentionally killing innocent civilians.

They force Israel into positions to defend themselves and cause innocent people to be caught in the crossfire’s.  This too is probably intentional as part of their strategy to sway world opinion so that people ignore their murderous ways.

Nicely explained, Ekdar !!!

Well said, Rowman !!

Lets not forget that Hamas blocked ALL “western” humanitarian aid. They have also seized many supplies, specifically, medical supplies – for their jihadists (who slaughtered 8 school kids today).

Not sure how the author insists on blaming Israel for a crisis created by Hamas. Egypt controls a border as well and recently reinforced it after Hamas bombed it.

It’s not Israel’s job to fix this. Jordan and Egypt and any other Arab nation for that matter, can step in to this situation and provide relief to those living there. Clearly, they don’t want anything to do with them.

<u>Gaza: Thousands Celebrate Jerusalem Mass-Murders</u>

Palestinians distribute sweets in celebration of Jerusalem terror attack as Hamas promises ‘this is only the beginning’

Ali Waked Published:    03.06.08

Gaza’s streets filled with joyous crowds of thousands on Thursday evening following the terror attack at a Jerusalem rabbinical seminary in which eight people were killed.

In mosques in Gaza City and northern Gaza, many residents went to perform the prayers of thanksgiving.

Armed men fired in the air in celebration and others passed out sweets to passersby.

Hamas issued a statement saying the group “blesses the (Jerusalem) operation. It will not be the last,’’ Hamas said in a statement.

An Islamic Jihad spokesman Abu Ahmed told Ynet, “We welcome this heroic act and strengthen the hands of those who carried it out. This is only the first of many such actions the Palestinian people are planning.”

The spokesman, a member of the organization’s military wing – the al-Quds Brigades – said, “Those who carried out the attack have brought great pride and raised the heads of the Palestinians.”

“Amenesty International
should go there and see the rockets landing in Isreal killing innocent people.”

Amnesty International knows what the Arabs do and why they do it. The problem is that the Amnsety people have an anti-Israel agenda which has corrupted them - their actions relative to their mission statements make this very clear. The effect is to look the other way when Israeli civilians are targetted for murder, and apply outrageously unfair standards to the conduct of the government’s justifiable actions in defense of its citizens.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/index.php

Go to that website and get the real story on NGO politicized agendas.

is the so called Palastinians living there. They were given land the same time Isreal was given Land.
The difference is the people in Isreal made a country. What did the do? Started a war and blamed all there troubles in Isreal. Amenesty International
should go there and see the rockets landing in Isreal killing innocent people. I SAY ISREAL KICK ASS AND TAKE NAMES. THESE PEOPLE ROCKETING YOU ARE ARABS AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELVES. THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND IS GETTING THERE BUTTS BEAT.

“If one ubermenschen is killed, we must kill ten thousand untermenschen.”

—Adolph Hitler

“It’s not as if anyone with two eyes needs amnesty international to tell them what is really happening over there.”

Right on cue is the leftist group-think axiom dude to make my point for me.

Unless you went yourself, or gathered information from a range of sources in order to make an informed and critical evaluation, how would you know what is happening over there?

“Everybody knows” and “it’s common knowlege” just don’t cut it.

If all you need is the BBC, Al Jazeera, and LieDig, then you have forfeited.

Ekdar’s comments amuse me. Bigotry, bias, and sophomore rhetoric have found a new home.

It’s not as if anyone with two eyes needs amnesty international to tell them what is really happening over there.

“Stop pandering to a fanciful history of a supposed Jewish connection with Christianity.”

So Jesus and his apostles weren’t Jews after all?

And Jesus and his apostles didn’t live in Roman-occupied Israel? And they didn’t speak Hebrew - the language of the Jews?
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“Stop using Israel to assist the USA in its hegemonic garb for total powetr and control of the entire Middle East.”

===>  laughing out loud now   <===

A good merit-based argument cannot be impeached simply because one hates the ethnicity or nationality of the source. To do so would be to expose onesself to legitimate accusations of bigotry and racism. The arguments and conclusions of NGO Monitor are unassailable, and badly needed in the politically-correct agenda-driven world of corrupted NGOs.

Similarly, I would be happy to accept any equally fair assessment from any Arab source. It’s very telling that a population base in excess of 250 million Arabs, spreading from Morocco in the West to the Emirates in the East, cannot produce anything remotely fair and even-handed.

The problem is EASILY solveable, Purple Girl - its just that no-one wants to…..

Remove AIPAC and Israeli expansionism will disappear.

Stop pandering to a fanciful history of a supposed Jewish connection with Christianity.

Stop using Israel to assist the USA in its hegemonic garb for total powetr and control of the entire Middle East.

A pro-Israeli front http://www.ngo-monitor.org/articles.php?type=about

And when will the Israelis do THAT???

Great website exposes the double standards and egregious bias of fatuously-named NGOs like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch:

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/false_claims_of_collective_punishment_in_ngo_campaigns_on_gaza

You might have a look at the small Arab child dressed up like a hiomicide-bomber on the page linked above. “Human Rights Watch” - left wing front group - politics by any means necessary. What a crock of shit.

“Human rights are anti-Semitic. “

No, but you are.

When organizations corrupted by politics evidence clear bias and double-standards regarding the human-rights abuses of Israeli civilians by “Palestinian” Arabs, the nature of that bias becomes a legitimate question.

Reference the latest Gallup poll posted below. Just as Americans have become increasingly frustrated by the corruption and double-standards in the Arab-Muslim Bloc-dominated UN, the same holds true for the left-wing anti-US/anti-Israel agendas of fatuous organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. There can be no justice if justice is not applied equally and fairly.

Since this ‘crisis’ has been going on throughout most of our life times, we must admit we have been unable to solve their problems.
I realize the History of the Palestinians (PLO), bu tI also recognize Isreal’s ability to defend itself quite well- A harsh and Deadly adversary. their Military is one of the most skilled, exacting and devastating.Isreal can kick some ass. In addition they have done very well in the World market and their standard of living. I do not see Isreal as a shrinking violet, a Victim… But as a Strong country who can and has defended herself with relative ease. Not to mention the Nukes.
As for the citizens of these two factions, they must stop waiting for the elite who benefit from these strife to ‘solve the problem’- They won’t, there is a Cost Benefit advantage to such chaos.both sides should follow the money and see exactly who & what is perpetuating this conflict. I have no ill will towards the people of Isreal nor Palestine, just their Warmongering Profiteering ‘Leaders’ and Corp Sponsors. I no longer believe the gov’t of this country, or any other ‘modern’ country, does anything with out Profit Margin considerations first & foremost. We need no longer stand behind them like a intimadating big Brother, nor stand infront of them like a shield. They are their own country, they must solve their own long standing ‘issues’ with their neighbors. So far their ‘approaches’ have failed- try something new- like holding Your own Talks with out the referee to call shots only against your opponents. I have Faith Isreal can stand on her own and the Palestinians can run their own Gov’t and control their Religious leaders rhetoric.Frankly at the moment WE are trying to Rein Our own back in- We’ve got our hands full with our own corruption and betrayal.

” Too bad that its framing and coercion of US politicians has protected it so far. That will also eventually lead to its downfall and the arrest of all of its operatives in the USA by the FBI.”

And this coming from a certified 9-11 Truther.

Sure, Chalmers, keep fantasizing.

Americans are smarter than you think, no matter how much you dumb them down explicitly and by inference, as you have here.

Yes, proof that AIPAC’s agenda is succeeding http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/default.asp

As the only organization in the world that can run an open conspiracy against the US government and the American people, it certainly has something to be proud of. Benefitting Israel by bleeding US$$billions from Katrina victims, health care, veterans, etc etc…...

Too bad that its framing and coercion of US politicians has protected it so far. That will also eventually lead to its downfall and the arrest of all of its operatives in the USA by the FBI.

“you can make explosives out of garden fertilizer too”

Here’s a gentle suggestion to the “Palestinian” (read: Egyptian) Arabs of Gaza: use that fertilizer to grow crops to feed your people instead of using it to stuff into missile warheads to kill Israeli civilians.

And if the Gazan Arabs insist on spending their aid money handouts on bombs to kill Israeli children, they can reasonably expect Israel to decide an open border with Gaza is a bad idea, don’t you think?

Americans know institutional bias when they see it. Politics creeps into everything, especially if it involves Israel defending herself against genocidal “Palestinian” Arabs.

So let’s have a look at the very latest Gallup Poll, shall we?
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<u>Poll: More Americans are pro-Israeli</u>

New Gallup survey reveals Israel is one of five countries Americans feel most favorably about; Palestinian Authority ranks near bottom along with Iran, North Korea

Published: 03.06.08

WASHINGTON - Americans are decidedly more pro-Israeli these days, at least according to a new poll published on Thursday by the Gallup Organization. Gallup’s survey data revealed that 71% of Americans look favorably upon the State of Israel, a rise of some 8% from last year’s figures.

These figures represent an all-time high in terms of support for Israel, rivaled only by data compiled during the first Gulf War in 1991, when a staggering 79% of Americans polled indicated that they support the State of Israel. This was in large part due to the restraint exhibited by Israel in contending with repeated Scud missile attacks from Iraq on its civilian centers.

Which countries are Americans most partial to? The Gallup poll, which asked respondents to rank their attitude regarding 22 countries worldwide, revealed that while Israel and France have made the greatest strides with the American public, Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany and Japan are most popular with Americans, with an approval rating of nearly 80%.

Conversely, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority [Ekdar’s note: “Palestinian Authority” is not a country], Iran and North Korea are least popular with the American public, with only 20% of Americans indicating that they support these countries.

Palestinian Authority frowned upon

The Gallup data revealed that Americans look favorably upon 10 countries in total world wide. Israel was fifth among them, with an approval rating of 71% overall. First on this list was Canada with an approval rating of 92%, followed by the United Kingdom (89% approval), Germany (82%), and Japan (82%).

Following Israel on this list are India and France with a 69% approval rating, South Korea with a 60% approval rating, and finally Mexico with a 58% approval rating.

The Palestinian Authority is also decidedly unpopular with the American public, with only 14% of Americans stating that they supported the PA.

Israel’s Ambassador to Washington Salai Meridor, said in response to the Gallup data that “this is yet another indication of the strong bond shared by Israel and the American people.

The friendship between our two countries is especially critical now at days as both our countries wage a prolonged and drawn out battle against terror.”

Yes, and you can make explosives out of garden fertilizer too, uhh…....

Chemicals for explosives concealed in Palestinian food containers transiting open Israel-Gaza border crossings

March 5, 2008, 1:36 PM

Israel reopened the border crossings Tuesday, March 3, for food and other essential supplies to reach the Gaza population. Wednesday, a load of cans marked “edible oil” was found to contain a chemical substance resembling glue for the manufacture of explosives used in Palestinian missiles fired against Israel. The trucks, like the 100 which crossed into Gaza Tuesday, originated in the West Bank.
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Too bad for the “Palestinian” Arabs of Gaza. They voted for terrorists and now they’ve got them for a “government”. With the power to vote and make choices comes responsibility. Let them get their food from Egypt. These Arabs are Egyptian after all. And these NGO’s, Amnesty International especially, have a well-documented history of politicized agendas which have corrupted their stated missions. Nothing new there.

To wit: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DE03B0DA-821F-4FAD-A038-16302924CB56

‘US plot against Hamas’ revealed -  The US plotted to overthrow the democratically elected Hamas government in the Palestinian territories, documents obtained by Al Jazeera reveal. One of the documents appears to show that Washington tried to persuade Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president and leader of Fatah, to remove Hamas from power.

One document, dated March 2007, states “the plan will enable the Palestinian leadership to be more credible in the eyes of Israel and the others”. But, when that plan failed, the US set up an operation to fund Fatah fighters and drive Hamas out….

Revealed: the US plan to start a Palestinian civil war - United States officials including President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice participated in a conspiracy to arm and train Contra-style Palestinian militias nominally loyal to the Fatah party to overthrow the democratically-elected Hamas government in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, an investigative article in the April 2008 issue of Vanity Fair has revealed.

The article, by David Rose, recounts gruesome torture documented on videotape of Hamas members by the US-armed and funded militias under Dahlan’s control. Hamas had repeatedly alleged such torture as part of its justification for its move to overthrow the Dahlan militias and take full control of the interior of the Gaza Strip in June 2007…. http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9366.shtml

The Gaza Bombshell
  By David Rose
  Vanity Fair

  April 2008 Issue

  After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current US officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

  “A Dirty War”

  The Al Deira Hotel, in Gaza City, is a haven of calm in a land beset by poverty, fear, and violence. In the middle of December 2007, I sit in the hotel’s airy restaurant, its windows open to the Mediterranean, and listen to a slight, bearded man named Mazen Asad abu Dan describe the suffering he endured 11 months before at the hands of his fellow Palestinians. Abu Dan, 28, is a member of Hamas, the Iranian-backed Islamist organization that has been designated a terrorist group by the United States, but I have a good reason for taking him at his word: I’ve seen the video.

  It shows abu Dan kneeling, his hands bound behind his back, and screaming as his captors pummel him with a black iron rod. “I lost all the skin on my back from the beatings,” he says. “Instead of medicine, they poured perfume on my wounds. It felt as if they had taken a sword to my injuries.”

  On January 26, 2007, abu Dan, a student at the Islamic University of Gaza, had gone to a local cemetery with his father and five others to erect a headstone for his grandmother. When they arrived, however, they found themselves surrounded by 30 armed men from Hamas’s rival, Fatah, the party of Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas. “They took us to a house in north Gaza,” abu Dan says. “They covered our eyes and took us to a room on the sixth floor.”

  The video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan’s father is forced to sit and listen to his son’s shrieks of pain. Afterward, abu Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market square. “They told us they were going to kill us. They made us sit on the ground.” He rolls up the legs of his trousers to display the circular scars that are evidence of what happened next: “They shot our knees and feet—five bullets each. I spent four months in a wheelchair.”

  Abu Dan had no way of knowing it, but his tormentors had a secret ally: the administration of President George W. Bush.

read the rest at the link…
 

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030508A.shtml