MMC:

“According to your logic we should have just had Hitler get a do-over and he could have been rehabilitated too.”

Comparing Hillary to Hitler is so absurd it does not even merit a response.  This type of hyperbole simply proves my point that you are blinded by your anger.

“All your talk of peace and your own lilly white soul of forgiveness is bullshit in the face of this preemptive war of aggression.”

I never suggested my soul was “lily-white.”  No soul is lily-white: “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

“Tell me maani, what country would Jesus bomb and make an unjustified war on?”

None.  But that does not mean He would not forgive a sinner their sins, no matter how heinous.

“Tell me Maani, why would Jesus vote for Hillary?”

Jesus would not vote for anyone, since he was apolitical in that regard.

“On the other hand I don’t think God will forgive unjustified war.  I don’t think he will forgive promoting warmongers.”

And the fact that you say “I don’t think” God will do this or that shows an arrogance and presumption (to say nothing of an ignorance of Scripture) that is truly mindboggling.

Peace.

Did you expect Obama to strip in front of these people, Douglas? Come on.

Notice that he kept his pants on when he was trying on the outfit, eh… not even a genuine attempt at being whatever he was making himself out to be, uhh.

Well, as someone who is called names by Christians often for not adhering to their dogma, I’d have to say I find no basis in someone’s Christianity behooving them to be civil.

I’ll apologize for others who will not for their rudeness to you, but you have been rude as well. Forgiveness is the most generous pitch of humanity, and is reserved for those of good character and strength. Perhaps moving forward instead of remaining on past transgressions would liberate your mind and purify your thoughts.

So, I guess you mean the photo is a negative photo, only in your mind Bonzo and bigots like you.  Now we know Hillary has never taken a great Photo Op, she is running such a clean campaign, where the truth and openness is for everyone to see.

You remind me of the little ole drunk man yesterday at the voting place.  Wild eyed flailing his arms around, trying to talk to who ever would listen, I JUST WANT TO STOP ONE PERSON. HAHAHAHA I guess no one would listen and he went back to the bar.
I also guess YOU to be a Male Chauvinist pig.

Fadel:

“Make no mistake this article represents official Israel’s stand on Obama’s candidacy.”

No it does not.  In fact, it is not even close.

Zell is Co-chair of Republicans Abroad Israel, a group associated with the RNC.  He is neither on the staff of the Jerusalem Post nor a regular contributor.  He was partners in a law firm with neocon Doug Feith, and is a member of the Iraqi International Law Group.  And although he lives in Israel, he is not associated with the Israeli government in any way.  Thus, the suggestion that he somehow represents the “official Israeli stand” on Obama is ridiculous.

While it is true that the various Israeli lobbies are split over Obama, there is far more support for him than non-support.  Indeed, if articles in the Jerusalem Post are any barometer at all - particularly editorials - there has been FAR more press kindly to Obama than critical.

Please don’t make assertions like that without knowing alot more about the person you are talking about and his/her expertise and relationships.

Peace.

Dear Friends:

I always thought this will be soon coming. And here it comes in a long article from the Jerusalem Post on line, written by Marc Zell, and dated February 21, 2008. Make no mistake this article represents official Israel’s stand on Obama’s candidacy. Israel and its lobby will work hard to defeat Obama. If Obama is defeated despite all his primary victories and popularity, then everyone should look into the Israeli connection behind that.

Below are few paragraphs from this article. I hope you can read it fully online.
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Obama and the Jews

Marc Zell , THE JERUSALEM POST

Feb. 21, 2008

Less than two weeks before the critical primary elections in Ohio and Texas, Democratic voters have made it very clear: Barack Hussein Obama is for real.

Leading in the popular votes cast, delegates pledged and total delegates (meaning principally the back-room machers euphemistically referred to as “superdelegates”), Obama has a decent chance to become the 2008 Democratic candidate for President of the United States. Obama has become a rallying point for millions of disgruntled voters who yearn for a new style of politics in the world’s greatest democracy.

First and foremost among the considerations that should trouble friends of Israel is the foreign policy team Obama has selected to advise him. The composition of a candidate’s advisory panel is usually a very good indicator of where the candidate will come out on the issues if elected.

This was the test this writer applied to George W. Bush in 2000 at a time when most pundits in Israel and in the Jewish community predicted that his Middle East policy would be a carbon copy of his father’s, meaning trouble for Israel. But Bush, the son, had selected a blue-ribbon team of pragmatic and conservative advisors whose views on the Middle East were markedly pro-Israel and pro-democracy. Subsequently, the W. Bush Era became among the closest allies of Israel in her 60-year history.

The opposite is the case with the Obama team. Headed up by Jimmy Carter’s (“Israel is an apartheid state”) national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Obama’s team includes such problematic figures as Anthony Lake, Robert O. Malley and Susan Rice.

Brzezinski has been disseminating vitriol about Israel for three decades and recently publicly defended the Walt-Mearsheimer study which concluded that US policy towards Israel was the result of Jewish pressure and inconsistent with American interests. More recently Brzezinski called for the US to initiate dialogue with Hamas, described Israel’s action in the Second Lebanon War as a killing campaign against civilian hostages and earlier this month made a trip to confer with Syria’s President Assad, ostensibly unbeknownst to the Obama campaign.

Robert O. Malley, another former Carter Administration diplomat and President Clinton’s special advisor on Arab-Israeli affairs, is an unabashed advocate for the Palestinians, co-authoring a spate of anti-Israel propaganda with former Arafat advisor, Hussein Agha, including a tract that blames Israel for the failure of the 2000 Camp David talks and another piece which blames the Bush Administration for continuing Israeli-Palestinian strife.

And then there is Susan Rice, foreign policy advisor to the ill-fated John Kerry presidential campaign in 2004, where she concocted the idea of solving the Middle East problem by appointing none other than Jimmy Carter and James Baker as negotiators, an idea which was later repudiated by her own boss as being unbalanced against Israel. Nor are these the only “bad apples” in Obama’s foreign policy binŠ

The writer is Co-Chairman Republicans Abroad in Israel

Aegrus:

“Regardless for faith, if you are against war both of these candidates will let you down. At least Obama has the boldness to be open and transparent. At least Barack will meet with world leaders.”

Call me naive or idealistic (and you will…LOL), but I am taking both of them at their word that they will start bringing troops home within a couple of months of becoming president, and will essentially end this war as quickly, efficiently and safely as possible.  As for meeting with world leaders, I have heard nothing from Hillary that makes me believe that she would not do so.  And I agree more with her approach than with Obama’s as to how such meetings are set up and carried out.

“I really fail to see the point of bringing in a person’s Christian faith as any indication of how they should behave.”

Based on MMC’s continued accusations against me, his name-calling, and his general mean-spiritedness, I brought it up because he claims to be a Christian, and bases his obsessive (and arguably pathological) harping on Hillary’s vote for the war on his beliefs AS a Christian.  So his Christian faith has EVERYTHING to do with his position on this issue, his un-Christian approach in supporting that position (e.g., by demonizing others), and the manner in which he has continually trolled these boards, spamming every single thread with multiple statings of that claim.

Peace.

[N.B.  As a related aside, I was chastised for simply posting the same couple of paragraphs on three threads; I was called a “troll” and a “spammer.”  Yet MMC has posted the same few lines on virtually every single thread on this site - and multiple times on many of those threads - yet I have seen ZERO response to this by anyone.  Why is that?]

Be aware of the latest Hillary Camp tactic of being sorry for all of us sinners who voted for and continue to support the next president of the United States of America, Barack Obama!

She’s such a fighter, yeah? She gets a raw deal from the media, right? If she was a fighter, it wouldn’t matter what the media says. Argument is NULL! Aw, but you’re sorry for us. You feel such pity at our refusal to buy your candidate and support a better option, Barack Obama, don’t you? We’re just throwing our votes away for some lying Farachanite who wants to enslave white women and eat babies, eh?

I must confess my sins, I am an Obama supporter. HAVE MERCY ON ME!!!

Vote Barack Obama. Stop whining 2008!

Regardless for faith, if you are against war both of these candidates will let you down. At least Obama has the boldness to be open and transparent. At least Barack will meet with world leaders.

Also, I’m a proponent of cultural faith and the original beliefs/practices regarding metaphysical and supernatural forces. I really fail to see the point of bringing in a person’s Christian faith as any indication of how they should behave. If we were to dice people up strictly by their faith, you’d be more restrained in your words and I’d be far more bellicose.

Appreciate your response.  Now that you cleared that up, we may continue to agree to disagree.

Leefeller:

First, I have never “defended” Hillary’s vote.  I have chosen to FORGIVE her for it - yes, despite all the consequences entailed.  Tell me: should I or should I not forgive Einstein, Teller et al for creating the atomic bomb, since it was used to destroy two cities and kill over 100,000 innocent people?  And if Hillary “should have known” that Bush would use the authorization to start a pre-emptive war, those who created the bomb KNEW that Truman was planning to use it.  As well, although we were at war with Japan at the time, Japan had all but surrendered by then, so it was ENTIRELY unnecessary to drop those bombs.

So - forgive or not?

As for war, I am against it in all forms, at all times.  My position on peace is similar to Gandhi’s (which, despite his not being Christian, was arguably the closest to true Christian peace ever lived by a human being); it is a “way of life” that I try to live as best as possible under the socio-politico-economic system under which I live.  It is in that spirit that I forgive Hillary for her vote.  When Jinnah fomented Muslim violence that led to the deaths of thousands of Hindus (and hundreds of Muslims in retaliation) – and setting back Gandhi’s attempts at independency for India - Gandhi not only forgave him, but offered to make him the first prime minister - AND allow him to pick an entirely Muslim cabinet.  THIS is the level of forgiveness required by Christ.  Judging, condemning, holding grudges, etc. is NOT Christian, no matter how MMC attempts to justify or rationalize it.

Indeed, he continues to claim that Hillary cast her vote out of political expediency.  Yet one reading of her speech on the Senate floor just before the vote belies this.

Yes, Hillary voted badly, and that vote led to a pre-emptive war against a sovereign nation that had done nothing to warrant an invasion and regime change.  Yet to hold Hillary “judged and condemned” for that vote is not Christian.  What IS Christian is to forgive her for her admittedly serious error (as we would expect to be forgiven for OUR errors - no matter how serious they might be), and give her the benefit of the doubt that she has learned from her mistake, and will act to rectify it.

Would we not expect the same?  Should each of us be held “judged and condemned” SOLELY on the basis of the single most egregious thing we have ever done in our lives?  Would MMC want to come before Christ and be judged SOLELY on the basis of the MOST heinous decision he has made or thing he has done?  Would he not expect judgment to be based on the WHOLE of his life - ALL of what he has said and done?

But MMC is blinded by his anger.  And his understanding of Christianity is prima facie wrong, but it is obviously so ingrained that there is no room (or willingness) left to learn. He is set in his ways, in his beliefs, in his (mis)understanding of Jesus’ life and ministry, and how it is properly applied to life and to others.

To see this, compare the approaches of those on this site who claim to be Christians.  How do we act?  How do we “speak?”  Do we engage in judging, condemning, demonizing, mean-spiritedness?  Or do we seek to live and apply Jesus’ precepts of love, peace, forgiveness, compassion, tolerance, etc.?  Do we set a good example as a Christian, or do we not?

I readily admit to engaging in occasional sarcasm and angry defense.  I know these are faults, and I make efforts to limit them.  But I would challenge you (or Mike or anyone) to find a SINGLE instance in which I engaged in judgment, condemnation, demonizing or mean-spiritedness against anyone on this site, no matter how bitterly I might disagree with them.

I hope that goes some way toward answering your queries.  And all of the above is why I end every letter, email, post, etc. - and have for over three decades - with the word…

Peace.

Like the way you forgive.  What is your idea of peace?
Please define your peace for me. What is your take of war?  Have not seen any comments from you on the war, except to defend Hillary’s vote.

Vote for Hillary because God’s not listening!!!

Vote for Hillary because there is NO SANTA CLAUS!!!

Vote for Hillary because her VP is Freddy Kruger!!!

Dreams? Who needs dreams? There is work to be done! Woman’s work, which is only achieved through cold, hard, cynical realism. Of which, Hillary Clinton is known for! You want cold? We got a robot for you! Hillary Clinton’s mechanical political positions are programmed precisely in accordance to reality.

Vote Cyborg!

It’s cherry picking, Maani. Double-Standards hurt. Just ask Hillary.

Mike,thank you dear friend for sharing my concerns! It’s nice to know that you’re well and contributing to the mission of enlightenment that we need most.

Barack Obama might not have what it takes to fix all the big problems of this big country, especially after the wreck we find ourselves in following eight years of disastrous Bush and gang evil work. In fact, no single person or administration is strong enough to make a big difference.

Having said this, however, I believe that Obama represents a beautiful dream that all people of good will wish to see come true. But darkness still lurks in many corners of this society as evident from some of the posts on this site and from the petty-minded issues being raised and emphasized in the news.

Racism is a disease of the heart that many individuals and groups are still inflicted with. It would be a miracle if racism does not play a major role in determining the outcome of this election. Let’s pray for a miracle and for Mercy from the All-Merciful God!

Hope and Change are offered by Obama. Hope is something I have seen in deaths eyes, the eyes of the starving, those laying wounded at deaths door step, they just want to be saved. Well we want to be saved, we want to survive. You know Hillary in attacking Obamas dream of hope, I wonder if she is so desperate, when attacking something that she wants so bad as the Whitehouse, which for her is a feeling of hope. Seems selfish to me?

There is something called hope
I have Seen hope in deaths eyes

death caused by political lies
common man making ends meet.

cannon fodder marching to war
dyeing for a political whore

Lobbies bending or leaders ear
making us live in eternal fear

hope for change and end
mindless incessant leaders of ignorance

hope is real, For I have seen hope in deaths eyes

Leefeller Guy

MMC:

“Go talk to the family members of the war dead and tell them all about forgiveness for the war mongers.”

And here you dig your own grave.  Because I HAVE talked to many parents of soldiers who died in Iraq, and far more of THEM are willing to forgive - DO forgive - than you do.  So what makes you so high and mighty, Mike, that YOU won’t forgive, but THEY will?

“I’m without love and forgiveness?  You are without wit and sight…”

I would MUCH rather be without wit and sight than without love and forgiveness ANY day…Because Jesus didn’t ask me to have wit and sight; He DID ask me to have love and forgiveness.  Who exactly are YOU following?

Peace.  (NOT just the absence of war and violence…)

MMC:

“And if I wanted instruction in Christianity, it damn sure wouldn’t be from anyone who is promoting a woman who voted for an unjustified war of preemption as President.”

I suppose not, since you apparently get YOUR brand of Christianity from someone who “damn sure” doesn’t believe in love, forgiveness, compassion, humility or tolerance (to say nothing of Godliness or holiness) since you are just about the most unloving, unforgiving, mean-spirited, profane Christian I have ever come across.

Peace.  (A way of life, not just a word.)

Aegrus:

“And lib’s statements are prompted by Christ’s spirit?”

Yes, but unlike MMC, lib doesn’t claim to be a “good Christian” (or any type of Christian, for that matter).  So the comparison is inapt.

Peace.

Osama Husein Obama is a fan of crazy mike mid-city
cause neither one knows what they are talking about.
Hateful people but try to hide in religon which I guess they think absolves them.

and lib’s statements are prompted by Christ’s spirit?

I think the term “immature” would have been better placed. After all, it isn’t like being associated with Christianity endears a person with goodness and humility.

Mike:

“And your mamma.”

That’s real Christian of you…

Peace.

Osama Obama is offended by this picture ??? Was it something he was trying to hide ??? SO why did he have the picture taken ??  He blames the Hillary campaign for it ?????

Osama Obama is a murtadd and everything that goes with it.

Pity you, Clintonite. Grasping at straws. tsk tsk

So, you are really going to sink this low, Maani? This is not speculation, and it is completely ridiculous to even imply the Obama camp would ever be inclined generate this photograph or any other kind to discredit Clinton. The rationality of anyone who supports Hillary right now has been completely suspended, and I cannot wait for everyone to just implode upon themselves after she has to leave the campaign trail.

The criticism and mocking of Barack Obama has done nothing for your campaign. No one has any issues left. Now the arguments are based of petty photographs and fliers.

Grow up. Obama is going to be the next president, and your anger does nothing to stop this movement.

Not you Maani fabrication?  What story?  Seems all that is left for the Hillary camp is what you call substance, just like this photo.

^ argument there.

FLASH!

Portland Times-Picayune
February 26, 2008

Obama Camp Tied to Release of Photo
By Alan Martine

A photograph of Senator Barack Obama in native Kenyan garb, originally released by reporter Matt Drudge on his website, has been tied to a campaign staff member for Mr. Obama.

When the photo was first released, there was speculation that it was leaked to Mr. Drudge by campaign staff for Senator Hillary Clinton, in an effort to smear Mr. Obama.  However, it now appears that Mr. Obama’s camp may have released the photo in an attempt to discredit Ms. Clinton, members of whose campaign staff have been tied to prior attacks against Mr. Obama.  In at least one case, a top-level Clinton staff member resigned after comments he made regarding Mr. Obama’s drug use as a youth.

Although he has refused to reveal exactly where the photo came from, Mr. Drudge admitted today that the Clinton camp was not its source, but rather that “someone at the Obama campaign” asked him to disseminate it “without attribution.”  Mr. Drudge claims that he did not know how the photo would be used.

This incident could have a major adverse effect on Mr. Obama’s campaign, in as much as it has not been tied to any prior such types of attacks, and would seem to seriously undermine the claims of Mr. Obama that his campaign would never resort to smear tactics.

A spokesperson for the Clinton campaign said, “We are shocked at this blatant attempt to discredit Senator Clinton.  It does not speak well of Senator Obama, and should give people cause to wonder about his true character.”  No comment was received from the Obama camp.

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Obviously, the above is a fabrication.  I wrote it last night.  (There is no Portland Times-Picayune.) But I have to wonder how the Obama supporters here would react were this story true - as it very well could be.

Peace.

Well consider ourselves lucky Obama is not Swiss, suspenders and shorts? Even worse kilts if he was from the highlands.

Quote Asia Times: ”...whatever happens next Tuesday, Hillary Clinton will have nearly as many votes and committed delegates as her rival Barack Obama, and neither will reach the convention in August with enough pledged delegates from the state contests to claim the nomination outright. If the situations were reversed - if Obama had won nearly as many delegates and votes as Clinton - few would be writing his campaign obituary…”

Love it or hate it, Expat, there has also been an attempt by the Democrats Party to dump Hillary through having ActBlue/BlueMajority pre-emptively endorsing Obama this Monday and involving a vote on the DailyKos blog http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/25/1529/77856/202/463560

They have been criticized on the net and the final figures were not quite convincing enough for them to stick their necks out any further (the ActBlue CEO is a former Democrats Party exec) http://www.actblue.com/page/bluemajority

Blue Majority: We Wait - After nearly 24 hours and just over 20,000 votes, at 8:15 p.m. the cumulative totals on the Blue Majority endorsement vote stood at 13,640 in favor, to 6,710 against. Overall, that is an extremely narrow margin in favor of endorsing, 67.0%—33.0%. However, there are a number of mitigating factors that have led us to decide to wait and not make an endorsement for the time being… http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4162

^ just kidding, fair questions.  I particularly liked his comment about the Democratic Party and 9/11; right on!  The dems are lame, but surely almost anybody is better than the repubs. 

“Losing 11 straight is no success formula in any game, but Clinton’s problems go beyond the numbers. Like presumptive Republican nominee John McCain, left for dead along the campaign trail six months ago, a lot more people passionately dislike Clinton than avidly embrace her. Her flaws, exposed during eight years as First Lady and another seven as senator, are only part of the story.”

“Clinton’s premium priced campaign team - chief strategist Mark Penn’s firm billed $3.8 million in January - has committed stunning tactical and strategic mistakes. Worst of all, Hillaryland remains clueless about stopping the bleeding.”

“Ahead of the February 12 tripleheader of double-digit losses in Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, DC, Clinton’s campaign proclaimed Ohio and Texas its “firewall”. That’s triple dumb. First, never declare any state is must-win before winning it. Further, winning or losing there won’t decide the ultimate outcome for any side. Most of all, especially in this campaign, never skip ahead to a “decisive” state.”

“That’s not running for president, it’s flailing in the dark. It’s easy to blame Clinton’s high-priced brain trust, but it’s the candidate who bears ultimate responsibility and will pay the price. But, no matter what the campaign says, the final bills won’t be tallied in Ohio and Texas next week.”

The stunner for me is; all of this appeared in a website (Asia Times) far outside of the American mainstream.  I am an Expat for a reason and fascism is that reason.  I’ll not have it!

Note that the issue is not who took the pic but who supplied it. What a joke, uhh. Obviously, it has come from Obama’s people in the first place…...

Obama got dressing, for a Kenya dress.Thanks god, he was not in Zulu land and dress like Zulu warriors and dancing with zule girls.

I’m not so worried about this picture. Also, I don’t assume it is from the Clinton camp so much as I know it was submitted to Drudge by Hillary supporters. That may or may not imply foul play, but I think it is pretty obvious when Maggie Williams gives the non-denial denial statement asking what Barack is ashamed of if people see him in Muslim attire, which is a shameful comment to make considering the blatant use of rumors to illustrate Obama as a muslim for over a year now (A claim he still has to correct people on, and I still have to correct people I speak with).

Whether or not HUSSEIN OBAMA!!! MUSLIM!!! works against the Barack campaign has yet to be seen, which is why I don’t really regard this picture as anything more than politics as usual. Regardless, it is plenty aware how Hillary Clinton’s new campaign slogan is “SHAME ON YOU ALL FOR NOT SUPPORTING ME! SHAME, SHAME!” Geez, and we thought the blame game was nasty, the shame game is going to be even more ugly tonight. Good luck Clintonistas, you’re all going to have to get behind Barack Obama on the morning of March 5th.

Frankly I’m more inclined to think it’s a divide and conquer attempt by Drudge et al but I’m speculating of course. I read a blog comment somewhere that described it as a “bank shot.” Insult one candidate and implicate the guilt of the other. Two birds, one stone. Again, just speculation.

Expat:

With the greatest respect — and I really do mean that — which part(s), for you, about that article is stunning?

I admit, I am one of those more extreme activists, in re: paying close attention to a lot of behind-the-scenes activities of many of the presidential campaigners to which we can gain access. Points raised there about Hillary’s now-flailing campaign only seemed to sum up those things I have personally seen happening.

True Dat: I don’t have ready access to monetary details on exactly how much is really being spent. It’s enough for me to know that more is being spent on the collective campaigns in this, the longest presidential election cycle in the history of our Republic.

However, that the Clinton campaign has spent money by the wheelbarrow-full and is now theme shopping on a daily basis seems so… well, just plain out on public view.

Really — to which information in that article are you responding? I’d like to know.

Thanks.

What matters is that Barak probably didn’t need to react defensively. Of course it’s designed to play off the urban legend/swift-boat-style rumor crap being circulated by the ultra-rigthts over his being a closet Muslim and all that horse s**t.

Exactly why his more exercised reaction was not called for.

Maybe the best reaction would have been to place that picture next to one of Bush Jr. in robes and doing the sword dance with his oil butt-buddies on one of his last trips over to the Middle East.

No caption required.

But, yes, honoring those you visit by dolling-up in their garb is a risky move. Ask Dukakis (for those who even remember who he is…).

At least, in this situation, it did not appear Barak had his hat on backward as did Dukakis, and he didn’t jump on the back of a camel (though Dukakis rode around in a tank).

Yes, it looked a trifle silly—only if you feel that the traditional garb of Somalia is silly.

Perhaps, in future, Barak had best be a little careful if he visits any American Indian Nation (stay away from feathery garb there, you know?).

As with so much that emanates from either the Clintons or from the far-right (strange how such tactics as circulating this photo tends to link those two groups, isn’t it???), we see Much Ado About Nothing.*

*© 1598 the Estate of William Shakespeare. All rights reserved.

^ Muhammad Cohen’s article in the Asia Times….it’s a stunner!  Heres the link;

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB27Aa01.html

Some will love it and some will hate it but…....

Maybe BO thought he’d look good in Chicago too, PT?

Mansion ‘mistake’ piles the pressure on Barack Obama - A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama’s fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama’s bagman Antoin “Tony” Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million…. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433485.ece?token=null&offset=0

“Yes, I know; the Clinton camp was responsible for other tactics that it denied being involved with, only to be found to have been involved with them.”

Thank you Maani, that’s very big of you.  I just couldn’t help but to reiterate that to you.  Shame on us…my foot!

Yeah

Certainly Obama is not the first American politician to ever don the regalia of the locals while visiting another country. Take a look are our fearful leader and all the different costumes that he has worn since 2000 trying to impress the population just in America, flight suit, cowboy outfit, etc…Seems to me that Hillary while visiting other countries has worn clothing that the local people wore. Besides, do any of you remember when she put on the stereotypical “black accent and speech pattern” while in her early days of campaigning to a mostly balck audience? I saw it on several TV news reports and found that much more offensive and it was totally inappropriate behaviour coming from a person who claims they want to represent the people in this country.

It’s past time for those running for any political position to grow up and address the “REAL PROBLEMS” that we are facing rather than wasting time on what type of clothing a person happens to wear while visiting a foreign country.

Addendum to my comment:

And yes, you can all tell me “We told you so, and you are a idiot” if in fact a clear connection with the Clinton camp DOES appear.  But UNTIL THEN, you have no right to presume ANYTHING.

Peace.

Unbelievable!  LieDig clearly states that “Clinton’s camp has denied that it released the picture,” yet 90% of the comments here simply PRESUME - without any evidence or support WHATSOEVER - that Clinton is responsible.  Yes, I know; the Clinton camp was responsible for other tactics that it denied being involved with, only to be found to have been involved with them.

But unless and until there is a clear link between the Clinton camp and this photo, NO ONE HERE can - nor should they - state with any certainty that Clinton or her staff were in fact involved.

Matt Drudge is exceptionally good at creating controversy all by himself; he doesn’t need Clinton to help him.

Shame on ALL of you!

Peace.

What a disgrace for the H. Clinton camp to use this picture as a smear tactic! What Obama is wearing is a traditional African costume typical to the land of Obama’s ancestors; it does not have anything to do with Arabs or Muslims.

Moreover, I have seen pictures of hypocrite Hilary wearing a scarf upon entering some mosques in some of her overseas trips.

What I see here is racism as worse as it gets! I am sure, while Obama is scoring one victory after another and gaining popularity and support, the racists, as individuals and groups, are plotting different schemes to hurt him morally and physically.

Shame on you Hilary! Shame on all racists! You’re the scum of the Earth!

After ten defeats she is to dense to see the writing on the wall that folks do not want anymore war mongers in charge of our nation!

Apparently now it’s time for dirty deeds but how far will they be willing to go?

Barack double your security detail and stay out of small private aircraft. Some body armor under a three piece suit might be wise also??? Corporate America is getting nervous the American people might actually have a representative take over the reins of power.

Stay safe and watch out for Billary and friends!

The only thing “offensive” about this picture is that Mr. Obama is dressed as an ELDER!

The title and status of an ELDER is something that is EARNED BY SERVICE/PERFORMANCE OVER TIME. Mr. Obama is clearly a rising star… but he’s not there yet!

Can’t you just see GWB in that getup? There’s something about people with dark skin and clothes - AND THIS IS NOT A RACIST COMMENT - IT’S A COMPLIMENT! I’ve seen absolutely stunning, brightly colored suits and dresses on black men and women that look like show stoppers yet, on light-skinner wearers, they would look ridiculous!

Oh for crap sake!

Folks, if you want to see some neat pictures, please visit: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ and scroll down.

If you want to get the real scoop on Obamas relationship to Islam, you can check out his bio.

If you want to get the real scoop on anything ...
I suggest you ignore the ill-informed, partially informed, un-informed gossip lovers and hate-mongers who ocasionally post here and unfortunately else-where!

Boy it’s a good thing I never wore my grandmothers native costume. Or mentioned her ancestry. No doubt I would have been burned at the stake!

I don’t know what the Obaminations are having such a hissy fit about. Its a picture and its Obama, what the hell does Hillary have to do with it.  Did she take the picture ?????
If you google Ann Soetoro you will see the following information.  Its nothing Obamas people have released.
1. Obama’s father was already married to an African woman when he supposedly married Obama’s mother.
He also married another woman here in the U.S. later on and divorced
then had a child by another African woman here in the United states.  In Africa Obama has one half sister and 5 half brothers by his father who are still alive.
2. Obama was born to a Muslim father and had a Muslim step father that Obama occasionally went to mosque with.  Also when registered at school he was registered as a Muslim but officials say there is some confusion about this now.  Islamic law says a Muslim who converts to another religion is a murtadd and must be executed.  There is other interesting items such as Obama’s mother lived on welfare when she was getting her Doctorate.  That info is murky.
But it definitely says that.

I wonder how much Bill would charge for a picture of Hillary in her underwear.  Yes…I know it has nothing to do with anything but just think of the comments we could come up with.

Who is running the Clinton campaign…?  I SWEAR they want her to lose.  Don’t they know this would only worry those of the republicans who are racist?  This won’t mean a thing to dems except to make them LESS likely to vote for Clinton.  Dems are sick of this type of divisiveness and this AGAIN will work against Clinton.